Originally by: Inna Bruskina

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Originally by: Zantei

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Edited by: Zantei on 03/04/2009 15:59:29

Originally by: Minsc

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If you're a private individual yes, if you're a corporation no. There's tons of free software available for private home use but if you are a corporation and wish to use it in commercial piece of software you must pay licensing fees.

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Then choose a different format. Ogg Vorbis:

We make commercial, closed source software. Can I use Ogg Vorbis at all? What licensing do I need to pay?

Again, there are no licensing fees for any use of the Ogg Vorbis specification. As a commercial developer, you are free to create and sell (or give away) open or closed source implementations of Vorbis encoders, decoders, or other tools. However, if you use our software rather than writing an independent implementation, you must respect the terms of the license. Our libraries are available under our BSD-like license and can be used whole or in part by closed source applications.


Are there licensing fees for distributing, selling, or streaming media in the Ogg Vorbis format?

No.


If there aren't any licensing fees, how are you going to make money off the format? Will you charge fees later, after Vorbis becomes popular?

The benefits of a patent-free, license-free format outweigh the concerns of making money directly from the format. The Vorbis format will always be free and in the public domain. Xiph.org is investigating a variety of models for funding development, some of which may include licensing non-free Vorbis-related programs and libraries to commercial projects. Nevertheless, the reference encoder and decoder will always be open source and third parties will always be free to modify or reimplement them.

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I think you will find, if you had read Minsc's post properly that he was talking about a player, not the codec used, which are two seperate items.

Seriously though, and while I can kinda understand your point of view, Civilisation IV being an example of a game that does have the capability you are eluding to...

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Originally by: Zantei

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Originally by: Inna Bruskina

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Originally by: Zantei

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Edited by: Zantei on 03/04/2009 15:59:29

Originally by: Minsc

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If you're a private individual yes, if you're a corporation no. There's tons of free software available for private home use but if you are a corporation and wish to use it in commercial piece of software you must pay licensing fees.

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Then choose a different format. Ogg Vorbis:

We make commercial, closed source software. Can I use Ogg Vorbis at all? What licensing do I need to pay?

Again, there are no licensing fees for any use of the Ogg Vorbis specification. As a commercial developer, you are free to create and sell (or give away) open or closed source implementations of Vorbis encoders, decoders, or other tools. However, if you use our software rather than writing an independent implementation, you must respect the terms of the license. Our libraries are available under our BSD-like license and can be used whole or in part by closed source applications.


Are there licensing fees for distributing, selling, or streaming media in the Ogg Vorbis format?

No.


If there aren't any licensing fees, how are you going to make money off the format? Will you charge fees later, after Vorbis becomes popular?

The benefits of a patent-free, license-free format outweigh the concerns of making money directly from the format. The Vorbis format will always be free and in the public domain. Xiph.org is investigating a variety of models for funding development, some of which may include licensing non-free Vorbis-related programs and libraries to commercial projects. Nevertheless, the reference encoder and decoder will always be open source and third parties will always be free to modify or reimplement them.

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I think you will find, if you had read Minsc's post properly that he was talking about a player, not the codec used, which are two seperate items.

Seriously though, and while I can kinda understand your point of view, Civilisation IV being an example of a game that does have the capability you are eluding to...

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What is your point?

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Originally by: Katya Ilyina

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Dude, what is yours? You have taken yourself off topic more times than I can count, you have come across as a bigger 'emo' than all the ppl you have screamed at in the whole thread, and apart from giving a small handful of us a few lols you have really done absolutely nothing to aid you Eve in anyway.

Now I neither flamed you or called you names, something which you seem to have a fondenss for, and I think I was the only repeat only person to post that said anyting in support of your argument, that being that internal user control jukeboxes are possible, and you give me that attitude.

Fair enough then, I revoke my previous post and replace it simply with 'stfu'

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Originally by: Zantei

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Edited by: Zantei on 03/04/2009 16:54:26

Originally by: Katya Ilyina

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Dude, what is yours? You have taken yourself off topic more times than I can count, you have come across as a bigger 'emo' than all the ppl you have screamed at in the whole thread, and apart from giving a small handful of us a few lols you have really done absolutely nothing to aid you Eve in anyway.

Now I neither flamed you or called you names, something which you seem to have a fondenss for, and I think I was the only repeat only person to post that said anyting in support of your argument, that being that internal user control jukeboxes are possible, and you give me that attitude.

Fair enough then, I revoke my previous post and replace it simply with 'stfu'

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Which alt were you posting under this time?

Emo rage quit ftw. ;p

Edit: Me off topic? Nope checked everything out, all on topic and points addressed in original post.

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Originally by: Inna Bruskina

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Originally by: Zantei

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Edited by: Zantei on 03/04/2009 16:54:26

Originally by: Katya Ilyina

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Dude, what is yours? You have taken yourself off topic more times than I can count, you have come across as a bigger 'emo' than all the ppl you have screamed at in the whole thread, and apart from giving a small handful of us a few lols you have really done absolutely nothing to aid you Eve in anyway.

Now I neither flamed you or called you names, something which you seem to have a fondenss for, and I think I was the only repeat only person to post that said anyting in support of your argument, that being that internal user control jukeboxes are possible, and you give me that attitude.

Fair enough then, I revoke my previous post and replace it simply with 'stfu'

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Which alt were you posting under this time?

Emo rage quit ftw. ;p

Edit: Me off topic? Nope checked everything out, all on topic and points addressed in original post.

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Hmm two constructive replies in a row, glad to see you can argue your point so successfully. Wish I had such powers of persuasion as you. I guess I have no choice but to do/think/behave just like you, my new God. /bows

If you cant handle the fact that I pointed out that you and minsc were talking about too very different things without resorting to juvenile behaviour, so be it. I was prepared to actually support you in favour of a revamped juekbox, but your attitude quickly killed that.

btw, I have only two alts on this acount, but i can create another if it gives you something else to take to your therapist..whats that? not seeing one? you should...

Flame away, I am no longer listening and no longer care.....

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Originally by: HermanGelmet

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Prolly said before... but I'm compelled.

Eve has sound?

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Originally by: Zantei

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So I'm watching the Trinity trailer on youtube and having my soul bombarded by this beautiful arrangement of music. It's a glorious celebration of the scale and variety the world of Eve has to offer yet the jukebox in game is full of this emo nonsense.

Listen to some of these tracks on youtube:

Seranata
Lucius Dei

Why can't we have more of this sort of thing?

The jukebox variety in Eve is something that the developers got so hopelessly wrong that it's a joke. You can't even play your own files.


FIX IT, GOING ON 6 YEARS NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Quote:

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I feel, I am, I am not. Am I?

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Originally by: Draeca

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this

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Originally by: Draeca

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I'd rather have something like this instead of that generic hollywood soundtrack cheese that only fits the trailers and cinematics.

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Originally by: Zantei

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So I'm watching the Trinity trailer on youtube and having my soul bombarded by this beautiful arrangement of music. It's a glorious celebration of the scale and variety the world of Eve has to offer yet the jukebox in game is full of this emo nonsense.

Listen to some of these tracks on youtube:

Seranata
Lucius Dei

Why can't we have more of this sort of thing?

The jukebox variety in Eve is something that the developers got so hopelessly wrong that it's a joke. You can't even play your own files.


FIX IT, GOING ON 6 YEARS NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Originally by: Advalary

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Originally by: Draeca

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I'd rather have something like this instead of that generic hollywood soundtrack cheese that only fits the trailers and cinematics.

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Sounds like what would be the Jovian theme.

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