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hired goon	Posted - 2004.08.25 15:51:00 - [61] What's wrong pirates? Having trouble trying to obstruct players from freely travelling around the game world? Aw. Maybe we should moan to the developers in a thread on the forums. Oh... way ahead of me I see ------------ We come in peace. And tanks.
hired goon	Posted - 2004.08.25 15:51:00 - [62] What's wrong pirates? Having trouble trying to obstruct players from freely travelling around the game world? Aw. Maybe we should moan to the developers in a thread on the forums. Oh... way ahead of me I see ------------ We come in peace. And tanks.
Drusilla	Posted - 2004.08.25 17:02:00 - [63] Originally by: Jane Vladmir Originally by: Kel Shek otherwise its just plain flat out greifing. which, IMO should be worth getting banned. but unfortunately theres not really much of an objective way to define between "pirating" and greifing. but I'm sure its only for use in wartime... Instas should be banned people are warping through 0.0 in frigs with BPO's and getting them through blockades easily.. shouldn't be that way, they should be in a BS with escort if it's valuable. I say ban instas! The pirate's argument is basically this: "I like taking advantage of a game mechanic that says if you use "warp to stargate" you show up so far away it's easy to gank you. I don't like when people take advantage of another game mechanic to keep me from ganking them. Oh, please, Gods of CCP, take away the game mechanic they like to use and leave the one I like to use in the game." Blah...blah...blah. If you're so fricking concerned about it buy a mobiel warp disruptor and set up an actual BLOCKADE. Gimme a break. You already have the means within the game to cope with this, so just do it. Warp Disrupt people and gank them. Saying "take away instajumps because they're a game mechanic I don't like" is no more valid than others saying "add a 'warp to within zero meters' option so pirates can't gank us." The game mechanic to avoid having to chug slowly from 15KM to teh gate is in game. The game mechanic to prevent it is also in game. If you don't want to take the time and effort to set up a disruptor, tough.
Drusilla	Posted - 2004.08.25 17:02:00 - [64] Originally by: Jane Vladmir Originally by: Kel Shek otherwise its just plain flat out greifing. which, IMO should be worth getting banned. but unfortunately theres not really much of an objective way to define between "pirating" and greifing. but I'm sure its only for use in wartime... Instas should be banned people are warping through 0.0 in frigs with BPO's and getting them through blockades easily.. shouldn't be that way, they should be in a BS with escort if it's valuable. I say ban instas! The pirate's argument is basically this: "I like taking advantage of a game mechanic that says if you use "warp to stargate" you show up so far away it's easy to gank you. I don't like when people take advantage of another game mechanic to keep me from ganking them. Oh, please, Gods of CCP, take away the game mechanic they like to use and leave the one I like to use in the game." Blah...blah...blah. If you're so fricking concerned about it buy a mobiel warp disruptor and set up an actual BLOCKADE. Gimme a break. You already have the means within the game to cope with this, so just do it. Warp Disrupt people and gank them. Saying "take away instajumps because they're a game mechanic I don't like" is no more valid than others saying "add a 'warp to within zero meters' option so pirates can't gank us." The game mechanic to avoid having to chug slowly from 15KM to teh gate is in game. The game mechanic to prevent it is also in game. If you don't want to take the time and effort to set up a disruptor, tough.
flummox	Posted - 2004.08.25 18:11:00 - [65] Originally by: Drusilla Originally by: Jane Vladmir Originally by: Kel Shek otherwise its just plain flat out greifing. which, IMO should be worth getting banned. but unfortunately theres not really much of an objective way to define between "pirating" and greifing. but I'm sure its only for use in wartime... Instas should be banned people are warping through 0.0 in frigs with BPO's and getting them through blockades easily.. shouldn't be that way, they should be in a BS with escort if it's valuable. I say ban instas! The pirate's argument is basically this: "I like taking advantage of a game mechanic that says if you use "warp to stargate" you show up so far away it's easy to gank you. I don't like when people take advantage of another game mechanic to keep me from ganking them. Oh, please, Gods of CCP, take away the game mechanic they like to use and leave the one I like to use in the game." Blah...blah...blah. If you're so fricking concerned about it buy a mobiel warp disruptor and set up an actual BLOCKADE. Gimme a break. You already have the means within the game to cope with this, so just do it. Warp Disrupt people and gank them. Saying "take away instajumps because they're a game mechanic I don't like" is no more valid than others saying "add a 'warp to within zero meters' option so pirates can't gank us." The game mechanic to avoid having to chug slowly from 15KM to teh gate is in game. The game mechanic to prevent it is also in game. If you don't want to take the time and effort to set up a disruptor, tough. w3rd... also, if you continuously setup a BLOCKADE, then no new players can setup any insta's at all... there is a fine, but dissasterous line between a fart and a shart. i suggest you make sure which side you want to be on...
flummox	Posted - 2004.08.25 18:11:00 - [66] Originally by: Drusilla Originally by: Jane Vladmir Originally by: Kel Shek otherwise its just plain flat out greifing. which, IMO should be worth getting banned. but unfortunately theres not really much of an objective way to define between "pirating" and greifing. but I'm sure its only for use in wartime... Instas should be banned people are warping through 0.0 in frigs with BPO's and getting them through blockades easily.. shouldn't be that way, they should be in a BS with escort if it's valuable. I say ban instas! The pirate's argument is basically this: "I like taking advantage of a game mechanic that says if you use "warp to stargate" you show up so far away it's easy to gank you. I don't like when people take advantage of another game mechanic to keep me from ganking them. Oh, please, Gods of CCP, take away the game mechanic they like to use and leave the one I like to use in the game." Blah...blah...blah. If you're so fricking concerned about it buy a mobiel warp disruptor and set up an actual BLOCKADE. Gimme a break. You already have the means within the game to cope with this, so just do it. Warp Disrupt people and gank them. Saying "take away instajumps because they're a game mechanic I don't like" is no more valid than others saying "add a 'warp to within zero meters' option so pirates can't gank us." The game mechanic to avoid having to chug slowly from 15KM to teh gate is in game. The game mechanic to prevent it is also in game. If you don't want to take the time and effort to set up a disruptor, tough. w3rd... also, if you continuously setup a BLOCKADE, then no new players can setup any insta's at all... there is a fine, but dissasterous line between a fart and a shart. i suggest you make sure which side you want to be on...
Turpin	Posted - 2004.08.25 18:59:00 - [67] Bring back the JIPs from a year ago I say !!! Hell, that made every journey fun :) My alts trade in underpants was skyhigh...
Turpin	Posted - 2004.08.25 18:59:00 - [68] Bring back the JIPs from a year ago I say !!! Hell, that made every journey fun :) My alts trade in underpants was skyhigh...
Tenacha Khan	Posted - 2004.08.25 19:45:00 - [69] Originally by: Turpin Bring back the JIPs from a year ago I say !!! Hell, that made every journey fun :) My alts trade in underpants was skyhigh... too right it did...sitting at a stargate weighin up if its worth it or not... it was a bit unfair but it sure as hell added alot of exitement for the camper the traveler and the attacking bounty hunters....now there is really no camping that isnt obviouse anymore.
Tenacha Khan	Posted - 2004.08.25 19:45:00 - [70] Originally by: Turpin Bring back the JIPs from a year ago I say !!! Hell, that made every journey fun :) My alts trade in underpants was skyhigh... too right it did...sitting at a stargate weighin up if its worth it or not... it was a bit unfair but it sure as hell added alot of exitement for the camper the traveler and the attacking bounty hunters....now there is really no camping that isnt obviouse anymore.
ActiveX	Posted - 2004.08.25 22:59:00 - [71] Originally by: Drusilla Originally by: Jane Vladmir Originally by: Kel Shek otherwise its just plain flat out greifing. which, IMO should be worth getting banned. but unfortunately theres not really much of an objective way to define between "pirating" and greifing. but I'm sure its only for use in wartime... Instas should be banned people are warping through 0.0 in frigs with BPO's and getting them through blockades easily.. shouldn't be that way, they should be in a BS with escort if it's valuable. I say ban instas! The pirate's argument is basically this: "I like taking advantage of a game mechanic that says if you use "warp to stargate" you show up so far away it's easy to gank you. I don't like when people take advantage of another game mechanic to keep me from ganking them. Oh, please, Gods of CCP, take away the game mechanic they like to use and leave the one I like to use in the game." Blah...blah...blah. If you're so fricking concerned about it buy a mobiel warp disruptor and set up an actual BLOCKADE. Gimme a break. You already have the means within the game to cope with this, so just do it. Warp Disrupt people and gank them. Saying "take away instajumps because they're a game mechanic I don't like" is no more valid than others saying "add a 'warp to within zero meters' option so pirates can't gank us." The game mechanic to avoid having to chug slowly from 15KM to teh gate is in game. The game mechanic to prevent it is also in game. If you don't want to take the time and effort to set up a disruptor, tough. What do you thinks mwds are for? ____________ Sex / Rank 9 / SP: 1280 of 2304000
ActiveX	Posted - 2004.08.25 22:59:00 - [72] Originally by: Drusilla Originally by: Jane Vladmir Originally by: Kel Shek otherwise its just plain flat out greifing. which, IMO should be worth getting banned. but unfortunately theres not really much of an objective way to define between "pirating" and greifing. but I'm sure its only for use in wartime... Instas should be banned people are warping through 0.0 in frigs with BPO's and getting them through blockades easily.. shouldn't be that way, they should be in a BS with escort if it's valuable. I say ban instas! The pirate's argument is basically this: "I like taking advantage of a game mechanic that says if you use "warp to stargate" you show up so far away it's easy to gank you. I don't like when people take advantage of another game mechanic to keep me from ganking them. Oh, please, Gods of CCP, take away the game mechanic they like to use and leave the one I like to use in the game." Blah...blah...blah. If you're so fricking concerned about it buy a mobiel warp disruptor and set up an actual BLOCKADE. Gimme a break. You already have the means within the game to cope with this, so just do it. Warp Disrupt people and gank them. Saying "take away instajumps because they're a game mechanic I don't like" is no more valid than others saying "add a 'warp to within zero meters' option so pirates can't gank us." The game mechanic to avoid having to chug slowly from 15KM to teh gate is in game. The game mechanic to prevent it is also in game. If you don't want to take the time and effort to set up a disruptor, tough. What do you thinks mwds are for? ____________ Sex / Rank 9 / SP: 1280 of 2304000
Mon Palae	Posted - 2004.08.25 23:27:00 - [73] Originally by: Tenacha Khan it was a bit unfair but it sure as hell added alot of exitement for the camper the traveler and the attacking bounty hunters....now there is really no camping that isnt obviouse anymore. A bit unfair? Admittedly it made you think twice before jumping but that did not stop it from being 100% unfair. I mean, how was it ever fair to jump and wake up in a station because your ship was dead before you even knew it was under attack? Seems part of the point of a game being fun and having a predator/prey relationship is that sometimes the prey gets away. The issue that makes Apocabombs or Bombathrons sitting inside a gate smartbombing people is they are unavoidable. Instajump to gate = Dead Jump to 15km = Dead Jump to 15km and Triple MWD to gate = Dead One way or the other the person needs to get to that gate putting them in range of the Apocabomb. There should be no surefire way to stop people every time regardless of their setup and regardless of what they do to avoid you. People need to make choices and those choices should affect their success. It should not be a wtfpwned deal regardless of what you do. As mentioned the means exist with Mobile Warp Disruptors to stop instajumping frigates and shuttles and whatever. Someone mentioned that valuable cargo SHOULD require an escort and be done in a battleship. Well...closing off a gate completely SHOULD require more than 1-3 ships.
Mon Palae	Posted - 2004.08.25 23:27:00 - [74] Originally by: Tenacha Khan it was a bit unfair but it sure as hell added alot of exitement for the camper the traveler and the attacking bounty hunters....now there is really no camping that isnt obviouse anymore. A bit unfair? Admittedly it made you think twice before jumping but that did not stop it from being 100% unfair. I mean, how was it ever fair to jump and wake up in a station because your ship was dead before you even knew it was under attack? Seems part of the point of a game being fun and having a predator/prey relationship is that sometimes the prey gets away. The issue that makes Apocabombs or Bombathrons sitting inside a gate smartbombing people is they are unavoidable. Instajump to gate = Dead Jump to 15km = Dead Jump to 15km and Triple MWD to gate = Dead One way or the other the person needs to get to that gate putting them in range of the Apocabomb. There should be no surefire way to stop people every time regardless of their setup and regardless of what they do to avoid you. People need to make choices and those choices should affect their success. It should not be a wtfpwned deal regardless of what you do. As mentioned the means exist with Mobile Warp Disruptors to stop instajumping frigates and shuttles and whatever. Someone mentioned that valuable cargo SHOULD require an escort and be done in a battleship. Well...closing off a gate completely SHOULD require more than 1-3 ships.
LJSilver	Posted - 2004.08.25 23:34:00 - [75] blah blah blah This dead horse has been beat to death four times now... http://www.liketelevision.com/web1/classictv/longjohn/longjohn210.gif
LJSilver	Posted - 2004.08.25 23:34:00 - [76] blah blah blah This dead horse has been beat to death four times now... http://www.liketelevision.com/web1/classictv/longjohn/longjohn210.gif
Tenacha Khan	Posted - 2004.08.26 01:30:00 - [77] ya know the pirates used to get jumped alot back then too...... Maybe if the people in space funtion was removed off the map it would bring back alot of that excitement, but too many people want an easy game.
Tenacha Khan	Posted - 2004.08.26 01:30:00 - [78] ya know the pirates used to get jumped alot back then too...... Maybe if the people in space funtion was removed off the map it would bring back alot of that excitement, but too many people want an easy game.
Alowishus	Posted - 2004.08.26 02:21:00 - [79] Originally by: Mon Palae Originally by: Tenacha Khan it was a bit unfair but it sure as hell added alot of exitement for the camper the traveler and the attacking bounty hunters....now there is really no camping that isnt obviouse anymore. A bit unfair? Admittedly it made you think twice before jumping but that did not stop it from being 100% unfair. I mean, how was it ever fair to jump and wake up in a station because your ship was dead before you even knew it was under attack? Seems part of the point of a game being fun and having a predator/prey relationship is that sometimes the prey gets away. The issue that makes Apocabombs or Bombathrons sitting inside a gate smartbombing people is they are unavoidable. Instajump to gate = Dead Jump to 15km = Dead Jump to 15km and Triple MWD to gate = Dead One way or the other the person needs to get to that gate putting them in range of the Apocabomb. There should be no surefire way to stop people every time regardless of their setup and regardless of what they do to avoid you. People need to make choices and those choices should affect their success. It should not be a wtfpwned deal regardless of what you do. As mentioned the means exist with Mobile Warp Disruptors to stop instajumping frigates and shuttles and whatever. Someone mentioned that valuable cargo SHOULD require an escort and be done in a battleship. Well...closing off a gate completely SHOULD require more than 1-3 ships. You still have a choice. Fly though in a BS (SBs wont take them out) or get all your friends together and kill them. Eve is simple. If you dont like what someone is doing you have the option of killing them. Raven 4TW! Rank(1) SP: 243745/256000
Alowishus	Posted - 2004.08.26 02:21:00 - [80] Originally by: Mon Palae Originally by: Tenacha Khan it was a bit unfair but it sure as hell added alot of exitement for the camper the traveler and the attacking bounty hunters....now there is really no camping that isnt obviouse anymore. A bit unfair? Admittedly it made you think twice before jumping but that did not stop it from being 100% unfair. I mean, how was it ever fair to jump and wake up in a station because your ship was dead before you even knew it was under attack? Seems part of the point of a game being fun and having a predator/prey relationship is that sometimes the prey gets away. The issue that makes Apocabombs or Bombathrons sitting inside a gate smartbombing people is they are unavoidable. Instajump to gate = Dead Jump to 15km = Dead Jump to 15km and Triple MWD to gate = Dead One way or the other the person needs to get to that gate putting them in range of the Apocabomb. There should be no surefire way to stop people every time regardless of their setup and regardless of what they do to avoid you. People need to make choices and those choices should affect their success. It should not be a wtfpwned deal regardless of what you do. As mentioned the means exist with Mobile Warp Disruptors to stop instajumping frigates and shuttles and whatever. Someone mentioned that valuable cargo SHOULD require an escort and be done in a battleship. Well...closing off a gate completely SHOULD require more than 1-3 ships. You still have a choice. Fly though in a BS (SBs wont take them out) or get all your friends together and kill them. Eve is simple. If you dont like what someone is doing you have the option of killing them. Raven 4TW! Rank(1) SP: 243745/256000
BIRDofPREY	Posted - 2004.08.26 03:12:00 - [81] Originally by: Jane Vladmir Originally by: Kel Shek otherwise its just plain flat out greifing. which, IMO should be worth getting banned. but unfortunately theres not really much of an objective way to define between "pirating" and greifing. but I'm sure its only for use in wartime... Instas should be banned people are warping through 0.0 in frigs with BPO's and getting them through blockades easily.. shouldn't be that way, they should be in a BS with escort if it's valuable. I say ban instas! People are actually planning ahead and, gawd forbid, ruining your ganking fun... I feel your pain... Your 650mm Artillery Cannon I perfectly strikes Serpentis Guard, wrecking for 340.0 damage
BIRDofPREY	Posted - 2004.08.26 03:12:00 - [82] Originally by: Jane Vladmir Originally by: Kel Shek otherwise its just plain flat out greifing. which, IMO should be worth getting banned. but unfortunately theres not really much of an objective way to define between "pirating" and greifing. but I'm sure its only for use in wartime... Instas should be banned people are warping through 0.0 in frigs with BPO's and getting them through blockades easily.. shouldn't be that way, they should be in a BS with escort if it's valuable. I say ban instas! People are actually planning ahead and, gawd forbid, ruining your ganking fun... I feel your pain... Your 650mm Artillery Cannon I perfectly strikes Serpentis Guard, wrecking for 340.0 damage
ActiveX	Posted - 2004.08.26 05:26:00 - [83] Originally by: BIRDofPREY Originally by: Jane Vladmir Originally by: Kel Shek otherwise its just plain flat out greifing. which, IMO should be worth getting banned. but unfortunately theres not really much of an objective way to define between "pirating" and greifing. but I'm sure its only for use in wartime... Instas should be banned people are warping through 0.0 in frigs with BPO's and getting them through blockades easily.. shouldn't be that way, they should be in a BS with escort if it's valuable. I say ban instas! People are actually planning ahead and, gawd forbid, ruining your ganking fun... I feel your pain... Planning ahead is organizing a fleet. Instas are just convenient ways to get out of needing to be better than the campers. ____________ Sex / Rank 9 / SP: 1280 of 2304000
ActiveX	Posted - 2004.08.26 05:26:00 - [84] Originally by: BIRDofPREY Originally by: Jane Vladmir Originally by: Kel Shek otherwise its just plain flat out greifing. which, IMO should be worth getting banned. but unfortunately theres not really much of an objective way to define between "pirating" and greifing. but I'm sure its only for use in wartime... Instas should be banned people are warping through 0.0 in frigs with BPO's and getting them through blockades easily.. shouldn't be that way, they should be in a BS with escort if it's valuable. I say ban instas! People are actually planning ahead and, gawd forbid, ruining your ganking fun... I feel your pain... Planning ahead is organizing a fleet. Instas are just convenient ways to get out of needing to be better than the campers. ____________ Sex / Rank 9 / SP: 1280 of 2304000

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