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Alowishus
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Posted - 2004.08.24 06:02:00 -
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I've been mulling over ways to catch insta jumping frigs/shuttles/pods (maybe even cruisers) and a thought occured to me: A BS with 8x Large Smartbombs sitting inside the gate. Should take out any frig in insta jump range instantly, plus pod them.
I'm sure this isn't a new idea so I'm looking for confirmation that it's effective. I'm no pirate so I could care less if I destroy the can.
Raven 4TW! Rank(1) SP: 243745/256000 |
Alowishus
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Posted - 2004.08.24 06:02:00 -
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I've been mulling over ways to catch insta jumping frigs/shuttles/pods (maybe even cruisers) and a thought occured to me: A BS with 8x Large Smartbombs sitting inside the gate. Should take out any frig in insta jump range instantly, plus pod them.
I'm sure this isn't a new idea so I'm looking for confirmation that it's effective. I'm no pirate so I could care less if I destroy the can.
Raven 4TW! Rank(1) SP: 243745/256000 |
Pandora Panda
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Posted - 2004.08.24 06:22:00 -
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Not a new idea.
Works.
Sometimes.
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CONCORD: Kneecapping Pilots for Misdemeanors Since 2003 |
Pandora Panda
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Posted - 2004.08.24 06:22:00 -
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Not a new idea.
Works.
Sometimes.
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CONCORD: Kneecapping Pilots for Misdemeanors Since 2003 |
Kyogen Steiner
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Posted - 2004.08.24 06:24:00 -
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it works, just time it right. cap drains fast.
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Kyogen Steiner
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Posted - 2004.08.24 06:24:00 -
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it works, just time it right. cap drains fast.
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Kel Shek
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Posted - 2004.08.24 07:36:00 -
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I would hope such an idea would only be used in a war.
otherwise its just plain flat out greifing.
which, IMO should be worth getting banned. but unfortunately theres not really much of an objective way to define between "pirating" and greifing.
but I'm sure its only for use in wartime...
~~~~~
To see a World in a Grain of Sand
And Heaven in a Wild Flower
Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand
And Eternity in an hour
~~William Blake |
Kel Shek
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Posted - 2004.08.24 07:36:00 -
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I would hope such an idea would only be used in a war.
otherwise its just plain flat out greifing.
which, IMO should be worth getting banned. but unfortunately theres not really much of an objective way to define between "pirating" and greifing.
but I'm sure its only for use in wartime...
~~~~~
To see a World in a Grain of Sand
And Heaven in a Wild Flower
Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand
And Eternity in an hour
~~William Blake |
Alowishus
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Posted - 2004.08.24 07:44:00 -
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Yes, I am in SA, we are at war with CA. I also will kill people I don't like, that's not griefing, it's revenge for irritating me.
Raven 4TW! Rank(1) SP: 243745/256000 |
Alowishus
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Posted - 2004.08.24 07:44:00 -
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Yes, I am in SA, we are at war with CA. I also will kill people I don't like, that's not griefing, it's revenge for irritating me.
Raven 4TW! Rank(1) SP: 243745/256000 |
Viceroy
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Posted - 2004.08.24 07:47:00 -
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Works beutifully when you time it right. Feels good to pod the instajumpers who go "bye bye" in local while instajumping 
Cant see why it would be griefing. Its a way to stop instajumpers (especially frigs and pods which are otherwise unstoppable).
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Viceroy
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Posted - 2004.08.24 07:47:00 -
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Works beutifully when you time it right. Feels good to pod the instajumpers who go "bye bye" in local while instajumping
Cant see why it would be griefing. Its a way to stop instajumpers (especially frigs and pods which are otherwise unstoppable).
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Bobbeh
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Posted - 2004.08.24 07:48:00 -
[13]
 Originally by: Alowishus
Yes, I am in SA, we are at war with CA. I also will kill people I don't like, that's not griefing, it's revenge for irritating me.
Pirate!!!!!!!!!!
Mimiru > It'd be a tie, the monkies nerfed pooflinger wouldnt have enough tracking to hit the parrot orbiting him, but the parrot's beak is so small it couldnt break the monkey's fur tanking. |
Bobbeh
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Posted - 2004.08.24 07:48:00 -
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Originally by: Alowishus
Yes, I am in SA, we are at war with CA. I also will kill people I don't like, that's not griefing, it's revenge for irritating me.
Pirate!!!!!!!!!!
Mimiru > It'd be a tie, the monkies nerfed pooflinger wouldnt have enough tracking to hit the parrot orbiting him, but the parrot's beak is so small it couldnt break the monkey's fur tanking. |
Alowishus
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Posted - 2004.08.24 08:05:00 -
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YARRRRRRRR!
Raven 4TW! Rank(1) SP: 243745/256000 |
Alowishus
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Posted - 2004.08.24 08:05:00 -
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YARRRRRRRR!
Raven 4TW! Rank(1) SP: 243745/256000 |
hired goon
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Posted - 2004.08.24 08:16:00 -
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Why not put a mobile disruptor on the other side of the gate?
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hired goon
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Posted - 2004.08.24 08:16:00 -
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Why not put a mobile disruptor on the other side of the gate?
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Alowishus
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Posted - 2004.08.24 08:26:00 -
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Edited by: Alowishus on 24/08/2004 08:29:03
A mobile warp disruptor isnt 100% effective, more like 80%, little ones anyway. I can't see this not being effective. I almost always have time to *start* locking a ship that is using instas. If you have time to pick a ship out of the scanner and lock it then you have time to hit F1-F8. Also this is less of a pain than mobile warp disruptors. I've camped gates for hours before and my big guns and innovative setups don't do crap against your average insta jumper (90% of the people you see), this way I can kill them while holding a beer in my mouse hand... hell, I could be holding a beer inch each hand and just bang my head against the keyboard and still win.
Winning is important.
Raven 4TW! Rank(1) SP: 243745/256000 |
Alowishus
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Posted - 2004.08.24 08:26:00 -
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Edited by: Alowishus on 24/08/2004 08:29:03
A mobile warp disruptor isnt 100% effective, more like 80%, little ones anyway. I can't see this not being effective. I almost always have time to *start* locking a ship that is using instas. If you have time to pick a ship out of the scanner and lock it then you have time to hit F1-F8. Also this is less of a pain than mobile warp disruptors. I've camped gates for hours before and my big guns and innovative setups don't do crap against your average insta jumper (90% of the people you see), this way I can kill them while holding a beer in my mouse hand... hell, I could be holding a beer inch each hand and just bang my head against the keyboard and still win.
Winning is important.
Raven 4TW! Rank(1) SP: 243745/256000 |
Toastmaster
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Posted - 2004.08.24 11:15:00 -
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well the loot goes bye bye if they aint using sec cans in cargo..
"viper zulu > toast has killed our whole corporation ships at least once"
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Toastmaster
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Posted - 2004.08.24 11:15:00 -
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well the loot goes bye bye if they aint using sec cans in cargo..
"viper zulu > toast has killed our whole corporation ships at least once"
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Eddie Gordo
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Posted - 2004.08.24 11:32:00 -
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yeah, it works. a little too well if you ask me 
a corpmate of mine who prides himself on never being podded jumped into a .4 system in a rifter, before the screen even loaded he was dead (not just de-shipped but podded too, waking up in a cloning station)
such tactics, while valid are well......lame. 
Instas??
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Eddie Gordo
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Posted - 2004.08.24 11:32:00 -
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yeah, it works. a little too well if you ask me
a corpmate of mine who prides himself on never being podded jumped into a .4 system in a rifter, before the screen even loaded he was dead (not just de-shipped but podded too, waking up in a cloning station)
such tactics, while valid are well......lame.
Instas??
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Wyckoff
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Posted - 2004.08.24 17:40:00 -
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Not to point out an obvious fact...but... Gates don't like being attacked, and smart-bombing while in a gate is also going to hurt the gate. I've seen gates attack, and while I'm sure you can tank the damage, I'm just surprised that no one has mentioned this fact.
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Wyckoff
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Posted - 2004.08.24 17:40:00 -
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Not to point out an obvious fact...but... Gates don't like being attacked, and smart-bombing while in a gate is also going to hurt the gate. I've seen gates attack, and while I'm sure you can tank the damage, I'm just surprised that no one has mentioned this fact.
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Drewdatrip
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Posted - 2004.08.24 17:58:00 -
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Originally by: Wyckoff
Not to point out an obvious fact...but... Gates don't like being attacked, and smart-bombing while in a gate is also going to hurt the gate. I've seen gates attack, and while I'm sure you can tank the damage, I'm just surprised that no one has mentioned this fact.
Generally people are using these tactics in 0.0 space where Sentrys and Concord does not exist
|Drew|
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Drewdatrip
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Posted - 2004.08.24 17:58:00 -
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Originally by: Wyckoff
Not to point out an obvious fact...but... Gates don't like being attacked, and smart-bombing while in a gate is also going to hurt the gate. I've seen gates attack, and while I'm sure you can tank the damage, I'm just surprised that no one has mentioned this fact.
Generally people are using these tactics in 0.0 space where Sentrys and Concord does not exist
|Drew|
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The Professional
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Attrael
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Posted - 2004.08.24 19:31:00 -
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I always thought you were invulnerable while 'cloaked' after comming out of a gate?
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Attrael
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Posted - 2004.08.24 19:31:00 -
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I always thought you were invulnerable while 'cloaked' after comming out of a gate?
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hired goon
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Posted - 2004.08.24 20:50:00 -
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But then you decloak. Then you die.
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hired goon
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Posted - 2004.08.24 20:50:00 -
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But then you decloak. Then you die.
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dalman
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Posted - 2004.08.24 23:01:00 -
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Yea, I've used it against CA frigs in the u-q to hed corridor with good success.
But you won't catch everyone.
And maybe 50% of the frigs doesn't use insta BM since they go so fast anyway. You can easily take them out instead by sitting where they land 15 km from the gate, though that's very dangerous to do.
We used to be 2, sitting at different sides of the gate, say one in u-q @ 36n gate and one in 36n @ u-q gate. That way, we could kill ppl going both ways, but more importantly warn the other as soon as hostiles got into the system so that we never got jumped by an enemy BS squad.
M.I.A. since 2004-07-30 |
dalman
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Posted - 2004.08.24 23:01:00 -
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Yea, I've used it against CA frigs in the u-q to hed corridor with good success.
But you won't catch everyone.
And maybe 50% of the frigs doesn't use insta BM since they go so fast anyway. You can easily take them out instead by sitting where they land 15 km from the gate, though that's very dangerous to do.
We used to be 2, sitting at different sides of the gate, say one in u-q @ 36n gate and one in 36n @ u-q gate. That way, we could kill ppl going both ways, but more importantly warn the other as soon as hostiles got into the system so that we never got jumped by an enemy BS squad.
M.I.A. since 2004-07-30 |
Kehmor
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Posted - 2004.08.24 23:01:00 -
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I've tried it and to be honest you don't need 8. your real targets are going to be frigs and haulers whowill go down easily enough anyway. Aside from that it works just fine... just dont get too over excited.... you have to make the choice straight away whether you want their corpse or their can. My friend carrys one or two in empire aswell jsut to catch frigs and so can run his shield tank just fine aswell.
As to it being griefing isn't all pirating griefing? I don't refrain from killig someone just because they don't want to be killed. Instas are lame anyway, I use them but would ahppily sacrafise them for them to be removed from the game... 0.0 is meant to be dangerous, as is 0.4 and lower... I consider it a pirate's duty to help keep it that way.
kehmor out
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Kehmor
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Posted - 2004.08.24 23:01:00 -
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I've tried it and to be honest you don't need 8. your real targets are going to be frigs and haulers whowill go down easily enough anyway. Aside from that it works just fine... just dont get too over excited.... you have to make the choice straight away whether you want their corpse or their can. My friend carrys one or two in empire aswell jsut to catch frigs and so can run his shield tank just fine aswell.
As to it being griefing isn't all pirating griefing? I don't refrain from killig someone just because they don't want to be killed. Instas are lame anyway, I use them but would ahppily sacrafise them for them to be removed from the game... 0.0 is meant to be dangerous, as is 0.4 and lower... I consider it a pirate's duty to help keep it that way.
kehmor out
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Jane Vladmir
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Posted - 2004.08.24 23:40:00 -
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Originally by: Kel Shek
otherwise its just plain flat out greifing.
which, IMO should be worth getting banned. but unfortunately theres not really much of an objective way to define between "pirating" and greifing.
but I'm sure its only for use in wartime...
Instas should be banned
people are warping through 0.0 in frigs with BPO's and getting them through blockades easily.. shouldn't be that way, they should be in a BS with escort if it's valuable.
I say ban instas!
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Jane Vladmir
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Posted - 2004.08.24 23:40:00 -
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Originally by: Kel Shek
otherwise its just plain flat out greifing.
which, IMO should be worth getting banned. but unfortunately theres not really much of an objective way to define between "pirating" and greifing.
but I'm sure its only for use in wartime...
Instas should be banned
people are warping through 0.0 in frigs with BPO's and getting them through blockades easily.. shouldn't be that way, they should be in a BS with escort if it's valuable.
I say ban instas!
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ActiveX
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Posted - 2004.08.24 23:48:00 -
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Originally by: ActiveX
Insta anything should be eliminated. If you cant be arsed to use an mwd, why should you get through a blockade?
Shouldnt be able to make BMs within 100 km of any gate or station.
Or even better, let the sentries fire on ppl making BMs.
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ActiveX
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Posted - 2004.08.24 23:48:00 -
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Insta anything should be eliminated. If you cant be arsed to use an mwd, why should you get through a blockade?
Shouldnt be able to make BMs within 100 km of any gate or station.
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Sex / Rank 9 / SP: 1280 of 2304000
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ActiveX
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Posted - 2004.08.24 23:48:00 -
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Originally by: ActiveX
Insta anything should be eliminated. If you cant be arsed to use an mwd, why should you get through a blockade?
Shouldnt be able to make BMs within 100 km of any gate or station.
Or even better, let the sentries fire on ppl making BMs.
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Sex / Rank 9 / SP: 1280 of 2304000
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ActiveX
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Posted - 2004.08.24 23:48:00 -
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Insta anything should be eliminated. If you cant be arsed to use an mwd, why should you get through a blockade?
Shouldnt be able to make BMs within 100 km of any gate or station.
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Sex / Rank 9 / SP: 1280 of 2304000
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Kehmor
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Posted - 2004.08.24 23:50:00 -
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or how bout just make it impossible to warp in say closer than 10km from a gate
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Kehmor
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Posted - 2004.08.24 23:50:00 -
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or how bout just make it impossible to warp in say closer than 10km from a gate
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Vodalus
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Posted - 2004.08.25 01:28:00 -
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I think the trick is to be in the right spot so that the SB hits the instajumper before it hits the gate. If the gate gets hit first then no damage is done to the instajumper. At least that's what I've been told. 
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Originally by: Oveur
EVE is primarily a PVP game
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Vodalus
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Posted - 2004.08.25 01:28:00 -
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I think the trick is to be in the right spot so that the SB hits the instajumper before it hits the gate. If the gate gets hit first then no damage is done to the instajumper. At least that's what I've been told.
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EVE is primarily a PVP game
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ActiveX
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Posted - 2004.08.25 01:55:00 -
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Originally by: Kehmor
or how bout just make it impossible to warp in say closer than 10km from a gate
Well if they do that, they might as well keep it at 15 km.
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ActiveX
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Posted - 2004.08.25 01:55:00 -
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Originally by: Kehmor
or how bout just make it impossible to warp in say closer than 10km from a gate
Well if they do that, they might as well keep it at 15 km.
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Van Halen
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Posted - 2004.08.25 03:57:00 -
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Originally by: Kel Shek
I would hope such an idea would only be used in a war.
otherwise its just plain flat out greifing.
which, IMO should be worth getting banned. but unfortunately theres not really much of an objective way to define between "pirating" and greifing. but I'm sure its only for use in wartime...
ur kidding me right?
2004.09.10 01:59:13 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your Heavy Neutron Blaster I perfectly strikes Ater Draconis [MYT], wrecking for 361.2 damage. |
Van Halen
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Posted - 2004.08.25 03:57:00 -
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Originally by: Kel Shek
I would hope such an idea would only be used in a war.
otherwise its just plain flat out greifing.
which, IMO should be worth getting banned. but unfortunately theres not really much of an objective way to define between "pirating" and greifing. but I'm sure its only for use in wartime...
ur kidding me right?
2004.09.10 01:59:13 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your Heavy Neutron Blaster I perfectly strikes Ater Draconis [MYT], wrecking for 361.2 damage. |
Wicke
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Posted - 2004.08.25 06:49:00 -
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Hmmmm, then I vote to end Safe Spots.
/me hears the the hearts of pirates sink.
Sig Broken but its uber. -.- |
Wicke
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Posted - 2004.08.25 06:49:00 -
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Hmmmm, then I vote to end Safe Spots.
/me hears the the hearts of pirates sink.
Sig Broken but its uber. -.- |
Xune
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Posted - 2004.08.25 07:20:00 -
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Edited by: Xune on 25/08/2004 07:22:17
Originally by: Wicke
Hmmmm, then I vote to end Safe Spots.
/me hears the the hearts of pirates sink.
ther are such things like moon¦s,belts... and oter stuff.
it can be a hell to find somon in a system even if he has no safespot. when im not totaly outnumberd i normaly fly the belts after ransomed/killd somon.
Search me.
when you find me you can have me.
*blow a kiss*
Xune
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y141/Xunecat/xune-sig.jpg |
Xune
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Posted - 2004.08.25 07:20:00 -
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Edited by: Xune on 25/08/2004 07:22:17
Originally by: Wicke
Hmmmm, then I vote to end Safe Spots.
/me hears the the hearts of pirates sink.
ther are such things like moon¦s,belts... and oter stuff.
it can be a hell to find somon in a system even if he has no safespot. when im not totaly outnumberd i normaly fly the belts after ransomed/killd somon.
Search me.
when you find me you can have me.
*blow a kiss*
Xune
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y141/Xunecat/xune-sig.jpg |
Shamis Orzoz
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Posted - 2004.08.25 07:52:00 -
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All you really need is one smartbomb. Half the time it lags them out a bit when they try to jump and then they get a session change, and they can't jump. Then you kill them, and they petition it, but the GM's laugh in their face.
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Shamis Orzoz
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Posted - 2004.08.25 07:52:00 -
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All you really need is one smartbomb. Half the time it lags them out a bit when they try to jump and then they get a session change, and they can't jump. Then you kill them, and they petition it, but the GM's laugh in their face.
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dustBOY
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Posted - 2004.08.25 08:05:00 -
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BAH! to everything said in this thread 
Quote:
A funny thing 'bout regret is that it is better to regret something u have done than to regret something u haven't
-Satan
I'm gonna mine DO or die trying <--- it's not a link you fool! |
dustBOY
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Posted - 2004.08.25 08:05:00 -
[58]
BAH! to everything said in this thread
Quote:
A funny thing 'bout regret is that it is better to regret something u have done than to regret something u haven't
-Satan
I'm gonna mine DO or die trying <--- it's not a link you fool! |
The Slavetrader
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Posted - 2004.08.25 10:17:00 -
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Originally by: Eddie Gordo
yeah, it works. a little too well if you ask me
a corpmate of mine who prides himself on never being podded jumped into a .4 system in a rifter, before the screen even loaded he was dead (not just de-shipped but podded too, waking up in a cloning station)
such tactics, while valid are well......lame.
How has this got anything to do with what Alowishus is talking about ??? You say your 'friend' jumped INTO a system and was insta podded ?? Well thats not what the topic is about. You cannot sit on a gate with SB's and get players jumping in because the spawn randomly 10-20km from gate. This smartbomb idea only gets players jumping OUT of a system
Yes of course sitting on a gate with SB's will get frigs and pods, surely you havent just thought of this ? People have been doing this for months.
Whats great though is to bait them into doing it with a noob alt and then they cant jump to agression and the rest of ships jump in and gank the sucker.
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The Slavetrader
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Posted - 2004.08.25 10:17:00 -
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Originally by: Eddie Gordo
yeah, it works. a little too well if you ask me
a corpmate of mine who prides himself on never being podded jumped into a .4 system in a rifter, before the screen even loaded he was dead (not just de-shipped but podded too, waking up in a cloning station)
such tactics, while valid are well......lame.
How has this got anything to do with what Alowishus is talking about ??? You say your 'friend' jumped INTO a system and was insta podded ?? Well thats not what the topic is about. You cannot sit on a gate with SB's and get players jumping in because the spawn randomly 10-20km from gate. This smartbomb idea only gets players jumping OUT of a system
Yes of course sitting on a gate with SB's will get frigs and pods, surely you havent just thought of this ? People have been doing this for months.
Whats great though is to bait them into doing it with a noob alt and then they cant jump to agression and the rest of ships jump in and gank the sucker.
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hired goon
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Posted - 2004.08.25 15:51:00 -
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What's wrong pirates? Having trouble trying to obstruct players from freely travelling around the game world? Aw. Maybe we should moan to the developers in a thread on the forums. Oh... way ahead of me I see 
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hired goon
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Posted - 2004.08.25 15:51:00 -
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What's wrong pirates? Having trouble trying to obstruct players from freely travelling around the game world? Aw. Maybe we should moan to the developers in a thread on the forums. Oh... way ahead of me I see
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Drusilla
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Posted - 2004.08.25 17:02:00 -
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Originally by: Jane Vladmir
Originally by: Kel Shek
otherwise its just plain flat out greifing.
which, IMO should be worth getting banned. but unfortunately theres not really much of an objective way to define between "pirating" and greifing.
but I'm sure its only for use in wartime...
Instas should be banned
people are warping through 0.0 in frigs with BPO's and getting them through blockades easily.. shouldn't be that way, they should be in a BS with escort if it's valuable.
I say ban instas!
The pirate's argument is basically this:
"I like taking advantage of a game mechanic that says if you use "warp to stargate" you show up so far away it's easy to gank you. I don't like when people take advantage of another game mechanic to keep me from ganking them. Oh, please, Gods of CCP, take away the game mechanic they like to use and leave the one I like to use in the game."
Blah...blah...blah. If you're so fricking concerned about it buy a mobiel warp disruptor and set up an actual BLOCKADE. Gimme a break. You already have the means within the game to cope with this, so just do it. Warp Disrupt people and gank them. Saying "take away instajumps because they're a game mechanic I don't like" is no more valid than others saying "add a 'warp to within zero meters' option so pirates can't gank us." The game mechanic to avoid having to chug slowly from 15KM to teh gate is in game. The game mechanic to prevent it is also in game. If you don't want to take the time and effort to set up a disruptor, tough.
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Drusilla
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Posted - 2004.08.25 17:02:00 -
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Originally by: Jane Vladmir
Originally by: Kel Shek
otherwise its just plain flat out greifing.
which, IMO should be worth getting banned. but unfortunately theres not really much of an objective way to define between "pirating" and greifing.
but I'm sure its only for use in wartime...
Instas should be banned
people are warping through 0.0 in frigs with BPO's and getting them through blockades easily.. shouldn't be that way, they should be in a BS with escort if it's valuable.
I say ban instas!
The pirate's argument is basically this:
"I like taking advantage of a game mechanic that says if you use "warp to stargate" you show up so far away it's easy to gank you. I don't like when people take advantage of another game mechanic to keep me from ganking them. Oh, please, Gods of CCP, take away the game mechanic they like to use and leave the one I like to use in the game."
Blah...blah...blah. If you're so fricking concerned about it buy a mobiel warp disruptor and set up an actual BLOCKADE. Gimme a break. You already have the means within the game to cope with this, so just do it. Warp Disrupt people and gank them. Saying "take away instajumps because they're a game mechanic I don't like" is no more valid than others saying "add a 'warp to within zero meters' option so pirates can't gank us." The game mechanic to avoid having to chug slowly from 15KM to teh gate is in game. The game mechanic to prevent it is also in game. If you don't want to take the time and effort to set up a disruptor, tough.
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flummox
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Posted - 2004.08.25 18:11:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Drusilla
Originally by: Jane Vladmir
Originally by: Kel Shek
otherwise its just plain flat out greifing.
which, IMO should be worth getting banned. but unfortunately theres not really much of an objective way to define between "pirating" and greifing.
but I'm sure its only for use in wartime...
Instas should be banned
people are warping through 0.0 in frigs with BPO's and getting them through blockades easily.. shouldn't be that way, they should be in a BS with escort if it's valuable.
I say ban instas!
The pirate's argument is basically this:
"I like taking advantage of a game mechanic that says if you use "warp to stargate" you show up so far away it's easy to gank you. I don't like when people take advantage of another game mechanic to keep me from ganking them. Oh, please, Gods of CCP, take away the game mechanic they like to use and leave the one I like to use in the game."
Blah...blah...blah. If you're so fricking concerned about it buy a mobiel warp disruptor and set up an actual BLOCKADE. Gimme a break. You already have the means within the game to cope with this, so just do it. Warp Disrupt people and gank them. Saying "take away instajumps because they're a game mechanic I don't like" is no more valid than others saying "add a 'warp to within zero meters' option so pirates can't gank us." The game mechanic to avoid having to chug slowly from 15KM to teh gate is in game. The game mechanic to prevent it is also in game. If you don't want to take the time and effort to set up a disruptor, tough.
w3rd...
also, if you continuously setup a BLOCKADE, then no new players can setup any insta's at all...
there is a fine, but dissasterous line between a fart and a shart. i suggest you make sure which side you want to be on... |
flummox
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Posted - 2004.08.25 18:11:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Drusilla
Originally by: Jane Vladmir
Originally by: Kel Shek
otherwise its just plain flat out greifing.
which, IMO should be worth getting banned. but unfortunately theres not really much of an objective way to define between "pirating" and greifing.
but I'm sure its only for use in wartime...
Instas should be banned
people are warping through 0.0 in frigs with BPO's and getting them through blockades easily.. shouldn't be that way, they should be in a BS with escort if it's valuable.
I say ban instas!
The pirate's argument is basically this:
"I like taking advantage of a game mechanic that says if you use "warp to stargate" you show up so far away it's easy to gank you. I don't like when people take advantage of another game mechanic to keep me from ganking them. Oh, please, Gods of CCP, take away the game mechanic they like to use and leave the one I like to use in the game."
Blah...blah...blah. If you're so fricking concerned about it buy a mobiel warp disruptor and set up an actual BLOCKADE. Gimme a break. You already have the means within the game to cope with this, so just do it. Warp Disrupt people and gank them. Saying "take away instajumps because they're a game mechanic I don't like" is no more valid than others saying "add a 'warp to within zero meters' option so pirates can't gank us." The game mechanic to avoid having to chug slowly from 15KM to teh gate is in game. The game mechanic to prevent it is also in game. If you don't want to take the time and effort to set up a disruptor, tough.
w3rd...
also, if you continuously setup a BLOCKADE, then no new players can setup any insta's at all...
there is a fine, but dissasterous line between a fart and a shart. i suggest you make sure which side you want to be on... |
Turpin
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Posted - 2004.08.25 18:59:00 -
[67]
Bring back the JIPs from a year ago I say !!! Hell, that made every journey fun :)
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Turpin
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Posted - 2004.08.25 18:59:00 -
[68]
Bring back the JIPs from a year ago I say !!! Hell, that made every journey fun :)
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Tenacha Khan
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Posted - 2004.08.25 19:45:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Turpin
Bring back the JIPs from a year ago I say !!! Hell, that made every journey fun :)
My alts trade in underpants was skyhigh...
too right it did...sitting at a stargate weighin up if its worth it or not...
it was a bit unfair but it sure as hell added alot of exitement for the camper the traveler and the attacking bounty hunters....now there is really no camping that isnt obviouse anymore.
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Tenacha Khan
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Posted - 2004.08.25 19:45:00 -
[70]
Originally by: Turpin
Bring back the JIPs from a year ago I say !!! Hell, that made every journey fun :)
My alts trade in underpants was skyhigh...
too right it did...sitting at a stargate weighin up if its worth it or not...
it was a bit unfair but it sure as hell added alot of exitement for the camper the traveler and the attacking bounty hunters....now there is really no camping that isnt obviouse anymore.
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ActiveX
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Posted - 2004.08.25 22:59:00 -
[71]
Originally by: Drusilla
Originally by: Jane Vladmir
Originally by: Kel Shek
otherwise its just plain flat out greifing.
which, IMO should be worth getting banned. but unfortunately theres not really much of an objective way to define between "pirating" and greifing.
but I'm sure its only for use in wartime...
Instas should be banned
people are warping through 0.0 in frigs with BPO's and getting them through blockades easily.. shouldn't be that way, they should be in a BS with escort if it's valuable.
I say ban instas!
The pirate's argument is basically this:
"I like taking advantage of a game mechanic that says if you use "warp to stargate" you show up so far away it's easy to gank you. I don't like when people take advantage of another game mechanic to keep me from ganking them. Oh, please, Gods of CCP, take away the game mechanic they like to use and leave the one I like to use in the game."
Blah...blah...blah. If you're so fricking concerned about it buy a mobiel warp disruptor and set up an actual BLOCKADE. Gimme a break. You already have the means within the game to cope with this, so just do it. Warp Disrupt people and gank them. Saying "take away instajumps because they're a game mechanic I don't like" is no more valid than others saying "add a 'warp to within zero meters' option so pirates can't gank us." The game mechanic to avoid having to chug slowly from 15KM to teh gate is in game. The game mechanic to prevent it is also in game. If you don't want to take the time and effort to set up a disruptor, tough.
What do you thinks mwds are for?
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ActiveX
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Posted - 2004.08.25 22:59:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Drusilla
Originally by: Jane Vladmir
Originally by: Kel Shek
otherwise its just plain flat out greifing.
which, IMO should be worth getting banned. but unfortunately theres not really much of an objective way to define between "pirating" and greifing.
but I'm sure its only for use in wartime...
Instas should be banned
people are warping through 0.0 in frigs with BPO's and getting them through blockades easily.. shouldn't be that way, they should be in a BS with escort if it's valuable.
I say ban instas!
The pirate's argument is basically this:
"I like taking advantage of a game mechanic that says if you use "warp to stargate" you show up so far away it's easy to gank you. I don't like when people take advantage of another game mechanic to keep me from ganking them. Oh, please, Gods of CCP, take away the game mechanic they like to use and leave the one I like to use in the game."
Blah...blah...blah. If you're so fricking concerned about it buy a mobiel warp disruptor and set up an actual BLOCKADE. Gimme a break. You already have the means within the game to cope with this, so just do it. Warp Disrupt people and gank them. Saying "take away instajumps because they're a game mechanic I don't like" is no more valid than others saying "add a 'warp to within zero meters' option so pirates can't gank us." The game mechanic to avoid having to chug slowly from 15KM to teh gate is in game. The game mechanic to prevent it is also in game. If you don't want to take the time and effort to set up a disruptor, tough.
What do you thinks mwds are for?
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Mon Palae
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Posted - 2004.08.25 23:27:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Tenacha Khan
it was a bit unfair but it sure as hell added alot of exitement for the camper the traveler and the attacking bounty hunters....now there is really no camping that isnt obviouse anymore.
A bit unfair? Admittedly it made you think twice before jumping but that did not stop it from being 100% unfair. I mean, how was it ever fair to jump and wake up in a station because your ship was dead before you even knew it was under attack? Seems part of the point of a game being fun and having a predator/prey relationship is that sometimes the prey gets away.
The issue that makes Apocabombs or Bombathrons sitting inside a gate smartbombing people is they are unavoidable.
Instajump to gate = Dead
Jump to 15km = Dead
Jump to 15km and Triple MWD to gate = Dead
One way or the other the person needs to get to that gate putting them in range of the Apocabomb. There should be no surefire way to stop people every time regardless of their setup and regardless of what they do to avoid you. People need to make choices and those choices should affect their success. It should not be a wtfpwned deal regardless of what you do.
As mentioned the means exist with Mobile Warp Disruptors to stop instajumping frigates and shuttles and whatever. Someone mentioned that valuable cargo SHOULD require an escort and be done in a battleship. Well...closing off a gate completely SHOULD require more than 1-3 ships.
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Mon Palae
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Posted - 2004.08.25 23:27:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Tenacha Khan
it was a bit unfair but it sure as hell added alot of exitement for the camper the traveler and the attacking bounty hunters....now there is really no camping that isnt obviouse anymore.
A bit unfair? Admittedly it made you think twice before jumping but that did not stop it from being 100% unfair. I mean, how was it ever fair to jump and wake up in a station because your ship was dead before you even knew it was under attack? Seems part of the point of a game being fun and having a predator/prey relationship is that sometimes the prey gets away.
The issue that makes Apocabombs or Bombathrons sitting inside a gate smartbombing people is they are unavoidable.
Instajump to gate = Dead
Jump to 15km = Dead
Jump to 15km and Triple MWD to gate = Dead
One way or the other the person needs to get to that gate putting them in range of the Apocabomb. There should be no surefire way to stop people every time regardless of their setup and regardless of what they do to avoid you. People need to make choices and those choices should affect their success. It should not be a wtfpwned deal regardless of what you do.
As mentioned the means exist with Mobile Warp Disruptors to stop instajumping frigates and shuttles and whatever. Someone mentioned that valuable cargo SHOULD require an escort and be done in a battleship. Well...closing off a gate completely SHOULD require more than 1-3 ships.
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LJSilver
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Posted - 2004.08.25 23:34:00 -
[75]
blah blah blah
This dead horse has been beat to death four times now...
http://www.liketelevision.com/web1/classictv/longjohn/longjohn210.gif |
LJSilver
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Posted - 2004.08.25 23:34:00 -
[76]
blah blah blah
This dead horse has been beat to death four times now...
http://www.liketelevision.com/web1/classictv/longjohn/longjohn210.gif |
Tenacha Khan
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Posted - 2004.08.26 01:30:00 -
[77]
ya know the pirates used to get jumped alot back then too......
Maybe if the people in space funtion was removed off the map it would bring back alot of that excitement, but too many people want an easy game.
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Tenacha Khan
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Posted - 2004.08.26 01:30:00 -
[78]
ya know the pirates used to get jumped alot back then too......
Maybe if the people in space funtion was removed off the map it would bring back alot of that excitement, but too many people want an easy game.
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Alowishus
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Posted - 2004.08.26 02:21:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Mon Palae
Originally by: Tenacha Khan
it was a bit unfair but it sure as hell added alot of exitement for the camper the traveler and the attacking bounty hunters....now there is really no camping that isnt obviouse anymore.
A bit unfair? Admittedly it made you think twice before jumping but that did not stop it from being 100% unfair. I mean, how was it ever fair to jump and wake up in a station because your ship was dead before you even knew it was under attack? Seems part of the point of a game being fun and having a predator/prey relationship is that sometimes the prey gets away.
The issue that makes Apocabombs or Bombathrons sitting inside a gate smartbombing people is they are unavoidable.
Instajump to gate = Dead
Jump to 15km = Dead
Jump to 15km and Triple MWD to gate = Dead
One way or the other the person needs to get to that gate putting them in range of the Apocabomb. There should be no surefire way to stop people every time regardless of their setup and regardless of what they do to avoid you. People need to make choices and those choices should affect their success. It should not be a wtfpwned deal regardless of what you do.
As mentioned the means exist with Mobile Warp Disruptors to stop instajumping frigates and shuttles and whatever. Someone mentioned that valuable cargo SHOULD require an escort and be done in a battleship. Well...closing off a gate completely SHOULD require more than 1-3 ships.
You still have a choice. Fly though in a BS (SBs wont take them out) or get all your friends together and kill them.
Eve is simple. If you dont like what someone is doing you have the option of killing them.
Raven 4TW! Rank(1) SP: 243745/256000 |
Alowishus
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Posted - 2004.08.26 02:21:00 -
[80]
Originally by: Mon Palae
Originally by: Tenacha Khan
it was a bit unfair but it sure as hell added alot of exitement for the camper the traveler and the attacking bounty hunters....now there is really no camping that isnt obviouse anymore.
A bit unfair? Admittedly it made you think twice before jumping but that did not stop it from being 100% unfair. I mean, how was it ever fair to jump and wake up in a station because your ship was dead before you even knew it was under attack? Seems part of the point of a game being fun and having a predator/prey relationship is that sometimes the prey gets away.
The issue that makes Apocabombs or Bombathrons sitting inside a gate smartbombing people is they are unavoidable.
Instajump to gate = Dead
Jump to 15km = Dead
Jump to 15km and Triple MWD to gate = Dead
One way or the other the person needs to get to that gate putting them in range of the Apocabomb. There should be no surefire way to stop people every time regardless of their setup and regardless of what they do to avoid you. People need to make choices and those choices should affect their success. It should not be a wtfpwned deal regardless of what you do.
As mentioned the means exist with Mobile Warp Disruptors to stop instajumping frigates and shuttles and whatever. Someone mentioned that valuable cargo SHOULD require an escort and be done in a battleship. Well...closing off a gate completely SHOULD require more than 1-3 ships.
You still have a choice. Fly though in a BS (SBs wont take them out) or get all your friends together and kill them.
Eve is simple. If you dont like what someone is doing you have the option of killing them.
Raven 4TW! Rank(1) SP: 243745/256000 |
BIRDofPREY
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Posted - 2004.08.26 03:12:00 -
[81]
Originally by: Jane Vladmir
Originally by: Kel Shek
otherwise its just plain flat out greifing.
which, IMO should be worth getting banned. but unfortunately theres not really much of an objective way to define between "pirating" and greifing.
but I'm sure its only for use in wartime...
Instas should be banned
people are warping through 0.0 in frigs with BPO's and getting them through blockades easily.. shouldn't be that way, they should be in a BS with escort if it's valuable.
I say ban instas!
People are actually planning ahead and, gawd forbid, ruining your ganking fun...
I feel your pain...
Your 650mm Artillery Cannon I perfectly strikes Serpentis Guard, wrecking for 340.0 damage |
BIRDofPREY
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Posted - 2004.08.26 03:12:00 -
[82]
Originally by: Jane Vladmir
Originally by: Kel Shek
otherwise its just plain flat out greifing.
which, IMO should be worth getting banned. but unfortunately theres not really much of an objective way to define between "pirating" and greifing.
but I'm sure its only for use in wartime...
Instas should be banned
people are warping through 0.0 in frigs with BPO's and getting them through blockades easily.. shouldn't be that way, they should be in a BS with escort if it's valuable.
I say ban instas!
People are actually planning ahead and, gawd forbid, ruining your ganking fun...
I feel your pain...
Your 650mm Artillery Cannon I perfectly strikes Serpentis Guard, wrecking for 340.0 damage |
ActiveX
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Posted - 2004.08.26 05:26:00 -
[83]
Originally by: BIRDofPREY
Originally by: Jane Vladmir
Originally by: Kel Shek
otherwise its just plain flat out greifing.
which, IMO should be worth getting banned. but unfortunately theres not really much of an objective way to define between "pirating" and greifing.
but I'm sure its only for use in wartime...
Instas should be banned
people are warping through 0.0 in frigs with BPO's and getting them through blockades easily.. shouldn't be that way, they should be in a BS with escort if it's valuable.
I say ban instas!
People are actually planning ahead and, gawd forbid, ruining your ganking fun...
I feel your pain...
Planning ahead is organizing a fleet. Instas are just convenient ways to get out of needing to be better than the campers.
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Sex / Rank 9 / SP: 1280 of 2304000
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ActiveX
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Posted - 2004.08.26 05:26:00 -
[84]
Originally by: BIRDofPREY
Originally by: Jane Vladmir
Originally by: Kel Shek
otherwise its just plain flat out greifing.
which, IMO should be worth getting banned. but unfortunately theres not really much of an objective way to define between "pirating" and greifing.
but I'm sure its only for use in wartime...
Instas should be banned
people are warping through 0.0 in frigs with BPO's and getting them through blockades easily.. shouldn't be that way, they should be in a BS with escort if it's valuable.
I say ban instas!
People are actually planning ahead and, gawd forbid, ruining your ganking fun...
I feel your pain...
Planning ahead is organizing a fleet. Instas are just convenient ways to get out of needing to be better than the campers.
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Sex / Rank 9 / SP: 1280 of 2304000
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