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Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2009.04.08 11:51:00 - [31] Originally by: Core Admiral as someone who makes about 100 jumps a day for my trade routes, literally every local channel is now littered with these spams. Only if you're flying between Perimiter and Jita fifty times a day. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Inquisitor Cerberuso	Posted - 2009.04.08 12:01:00 - [32] erm, what exactly is the problem here? You use local in High sec? ok unless your at war then this is pointless... Fallen for a scam? lesson learnt, I like the fact that you can scam, and I have been on the recieving end, it adds a touch of realism to the game, rather than being wrapped in cotton wool..... You trade... which means you are most likely in the most popular systems in the game, and you know what they say, an individual is smart but a group of people are usually pretty dumb... Most that fall for these scams may quit the game, which can only be good, if you stupid enough to fall for it, then tbh you get what you deserve, what do they call it? Darwinism?
Xen Gin Solar Excavations Ultd.	Posted - 2009.04.08 12:03:00 - [33] Originally by: Inquisitor Cerberuso erm, what exactly is the problem here? You use local in High sec? ok unless your at war then this is pointless... Fallen for a scam? lesson learnt, I like the fact that you can scam, and I have been on the recieving end, it adds a touch of realism to the game, rather than being wrapped in cotton wool..... You trade... which means you are most likely in the most popular systems in the game, and you know what they say, an individual is smart but a group of people are usually pretty dumb... Most that fall for these scams may quit the game, which can only be good, if you stupid enough to fall for it, then tbh you get what you deserve, what do they call it? Darwinism? I think the problem I'm seeing here, is not the scamming, its the spamming of local channels, for scams, ISK selling and other stuff. Some are also using macros to spam text.
Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2009.04.08 12:09:00 - [34] CCP please do something against this horrible spam!!! Scamming is fine. But the spam is what makes everything soooo annoying. And yeah, there is a BLOCK list, but is no good. Why not .... CSPA charge for posting in local? Each member in the empire system will add the fee by 1000 isk 0.0 controlled systems can set their own CSPA -> money goes to alliance wallet Please do something about the excessive spammming.
Wacktopia Infinity Miners Union Eych Four Eks Zero Ahr	Posted - 2009.04.08 12:12:00 - [35] Edited by: Wacktopia on 08/04/2009 12:13:10 Meh, I only monitor the list of players in local (looking for reds etc) and pretty-much always ignore the actual chat. The easiest way to solve this problem is for everyone to just ignore those stupid in-local offers. The scammers will get bored when it stops working. I think you're exagering too. This happens a lot in busy trading systems but if you get out of those then its almost always silent. I doubt very much that every one of you "100 jumps" is littered with scammers.
Wacktopia Infinity Miners Union Eych Four Eks Zero Ahr	Posted - 2009.04.08 12:15:00 - [36] Originally by: Gnulpie Why not .... CSPA charge for posting in local? Each member in the empire system will add the fee by 1000 isk 0.0 controlled systems can set their own CSPA -> money goes to alliance wallet Yikes, so 300 ppl in system means 300,000 to speak? 0.0 might cost 1,000,000 per player as a scam. Gah gah gooooo gah!
TimMc Gallente Brutal Deliverance	Posted - 2009.04.08 12:16:00 - [37] Originally by: Tippia The "real" contracts can be found using the exact match search and price sorting. Indeed. Local contracts may be tempting but are usually scams.
Evanade Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2009.04.08 12:20:00 - [38] Solution: disallow linking of contracts in local
Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2009.04.08 12:26:00 - [39] Originally by: Wacktopia Originally by: Gnulpie Why not .... CSPA charge for posting in local? Each member in the empire system will add the fee by 1000 isk 0.0 controlled systems can set their own CSPA -> money goes to alliance wallet Yikes, so 300 ppl in system means 300,000 to speak? 0.0 might cost 1,000,000 per player as a scam. Gah gah gooooo gah! Well, you see ... no one FORCES you to talk in local, right? But if you want to advertise, then it should cost something. Risk/reward, anyone?
Anvalor Gallente Germania Inc. D0GMA	Posted - 2009.04.08 12:29:00 - [40] If you need local as intel tool then just move it as a separate window to the left so that you only see the pictures and names of people like i do. That is also good for not reading smacktalk while in pvp. And if you do not even need local then just minimize it. If you want to talk to people in local then open a convo with them which is good for 2 reasons. Noone can read what you talk about and noone has to read the nonsense you talk about, problem solved and less time wasted for ccp to solve a problem that does not exist.

wowtard	Posted - 2009.04.08 12:54:00 - [41] Scamming I don't care about. Caveat emptor and all that. Spamming local until it turns into that incomprehensible stream thing from the Matrix, yes, please come up with something to prevent it. Just an idea to toss out there... Blowing up an internet spaceship is fun, but blowing up an entire account can be funnerer. Allow us to register as vigilantes to expose ISK sellers accounts for banstick action by authorities. Give away a beautiful (I mean something that will make veterans who love Eve salivate) limited edition Concord shuttle for each ISK seller brought to justice.
Another Forum'Alt Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2009.04.08 13:29:00 - [42] Give us a way to close local. Problem solved. Guide to forum posting
Aarin Wrath Caldari Quatidion Arkai Confederation	Posted - 2009.04.08 13:35:00 - [43] Edited by: Aarin Wrath on 08/04/2009 13:35:53 yeah I have to admit the local spam is getting very annoying. Scamming is fine blah blah ... but when local ends up moving by so fast due to all the scamming attempts that you cant read anything then its a problem. It's getting ridiculous. I have seen people trying to scam with lowly Tech 2 items, let alone any faction or collector items normally used in scams. edit:spelling
Maglorre	Posted - 2009.04.08 14:07:00 - [44] Originally by: Wacktopia I think you're exagering too. This happens a lot in busy trading systems but if you get out of those then its almost always silent. I doubt very much that every one of you "100 jumps" is littered with scammers. Been out of Jita lately? Even 6-7 jumps away (not on a main trade route either) the local spam is getting ridiculous. I'm convinced these people are simply setting an autopilot route then using a keyboard macro to spam their drivel as they fly around. Following on from another suggestion, how about an "advertising fee" for including a contract link in local chat Problem is these contracts are probably making so much ISK that the fees would be but a drop in the ocean and it would have no effect.
Lazarann Caldari Darkstorm Command Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2009.04.08 14:13:00 - [45] My favorite was "I need a navy mega. Give me a navy mega and I'll give you a regular Mega plus 400mil" And of course, you'd end up giving him the navy mega AND the 400mil. It's only my favorite because some idiot actually fell for it
Andrew Riviera Caldari The First Church of the Azure Carrot The Dominion Empire	Posted - 2009.04.08 14:16:00 - [46] Edited by: Andrew Riviera on 08/04/2009 14:16:55 T2 makes it more believable. It's something that wouldn't normally be tens or hundreds of millions, so seeing it sold for less the normal price strains suspension of disbelief less. That doesn't make it believable to someone with a functioning brain, but the scams don't target those people, they target newbies who just hit up the First Bank of China, or veterans running on three hours of sleep in the last 36 and running out of coffee. Yes, I think CCP needs to act on the spam issue, and the ***ty contract UI that makes this remotely possible. '999,999,999.99 ISK (~1 billion isk)' would be a workable format for displaying both the raw number and the rounded approximation. As for the spam, charge a fee to link* in local. The other half, though, players need to take responsibility for. Stop falling for scams. If you think you might fall for a scam, stop reading Local in market hubs. Scams exist because, in the absence of the possibility of law enforcement in EVE, they offer enormous payoffs for tiny investments and zero risk. I reiterate: people scam because it makes them money and they'll continue to find new and creatively more obnoxious ways to scam and spam as long as it continues to be practical to do so. If you run around with a billion isk in your wallet, stop and think before you spend it. Bank it on an alt, invest it in something, or just squeeze Local off to the side. Please, stop feeding the trolls.
Judas Lonestar Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2009.04.08 14:28:00 - [47] Originally by: Havohej Originally by: Cash Collection you just got to really appreciate the 400 mil cap recharger... "When your capacitor absolutely, positively *MUST* be recharged before the enemy neut's next cycle."
Mashie Saldana Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams	Posted - 2009.04.08 15:12:00 - [48] Originally by: Kahetha's Syster just laught at the geniuses who pay loads of money for setting up scam contracts tha (hopefully) no one accept If only...
Doctor Penguin Amarr Shadow Command Tenth Legion	Posted - 2009.04.08 15:25:00 - [49] Edited by: Doctor Penguin on 08/04/2009 15:28:01 The problem is, sometimes you get really good deals from spotting a contract that's advertised in local. (I got my first Geddon, which I love to bits, with 2 Trimarks on it for 85m ISK - that's quite a few m ISK less than the bits seperately. I got it from a local-advertised contract.) So you then have to look for these contracts under layers of spam from the same type of scam. ________________________________________________ http://eve.drome.nl/CaodCleaner/ Help make CAOD readable.
Rogue Lilly Caldari Lords Of Filth	Posted - 2009.04.08 16:37:00 - [50] Edited by: Rogue Lilly on 08/04/2009 16:37:33 It seems to me that so many scams are associated with the obnoxiously crap font and formatting in eve numbers. All CCP would have to do is make numbers actually readable by gasp putting real punctuation between digits and making the font size larger than microscopic. This would solve a lot of the scam problems because people could clearly recognize pricing on things. Seriously, I need to see a chiropractor from having to lean 2 inches away from my screen to read anything in eve.

Sweaty Minge	Posted - 2009.04.08 18:13:00 - [51] Originally by: Sabrage In Eve we consider clutter and broken means of communication to be features. lol, if only this was a joke.
Deej Montana Caldari Outbound Flight	Posted - 2009.04.08 18:26:00 - [52] Originally by: Rogue Lilly Edited by: Rogue Lilly on 08/04/2009 16:37:33 It seems to me that so many scams are associated with the obnoxiously crap font and formatting in eve numbers... All CCP would have to do is make numbers actually readable by gasp putting real punctuation between digits and making the font size larger than microscopic... Best practices in modern UI design and typography FTW.
Tippia Raddick Explorations BlackWater.	Posted - 2009.04.08 18:42:00 - [53] Originally by: Rogue Lilly Seriously, I need to see a chiropractor from having to lean 2 inches away from my screen to read anything in eve. I'd suggest an optometrist instead — prevention is better than repairs. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in =v=… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Faife Federation of Freedom Fighters Aggression.	Posted - 2009.04.08 20:21:00 - [54] Originally by: Deej Montana Originally by: Rogue Lilly Edited by: Rogue Lilly on 08/04/2009 16:37:33 It seems to me that so many scams are associated with the obnoxiously crap font and formatting in eve numbers... All CCP would have to do is make numbers actually readable by gasp putting real punctuation between digits and making the font size larger than microscopic... Best practices in modern UI design and typography FTW. i love playing the "is that an O or a 0" game for finding 0.0 systems --
Feilamya Minmatar	Posted - 2009.04.08 20:25:00 - [55] Originally by: Durzel Posted it elsewhere, but I think this is a simple solution: Originally by: Durzel CCP should probably consider making it so that there's a seperate line on the contract which reads out the value in full, like you get on cheques: ONE billion NINE hundred and NINETY-NINE million, NINE hundred and NINETY-NINE thousand, NINE hundred and NINETY NINE ISK Problem solved. That would be too easy and kill the scamming profession. Then again, they could use the Danish number system ...
wickedpheonix	Posted - 2009.04.08 20:27:00 - [56] I just avoid any contract with all nines in it. Real sellers know, for high-value items that round-numbers are usually appreciated.
Wet Ferret	Posted - 2009.04.08 20:28:00 - [57] Originally by: Feilamya That would be too easy and kill the scamming profession. And there would be much rejoicing. But, yeah. These forums seriously need some indicator that the post has ended and the sig has started.
Jimer Lins Gallente Noir.	Posted - 2009.04.08 20:30:00 - [58] Scam away, I don't care. But local's turning into the EVE equivalent of USENET. I say we just kick local to the curb and make all systems work like W-space- delayed mode. Corp killboard-How to Kill Logoffskis
Tippia Raddick Explorations BlackWater.	Posted - 2009.04.08 20:34:00 - [59] Edited by: Tippia on 08/04/2009 20:35:10 Originally by: Feilamya to give scammers a fair chance, they should use the Danish number system ... If they did that, I'm afraid I would have to report CCP to the Hague tribunal for crimes against humanity. Originally by: Jimer Lins I say we just kick local to the curb and make all systems work like W-space- delayed mode. How would that help against spam? It's not like the spammers don't want you to know that they're there… ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in =v=… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Core Admiral	Posted - 2009.04.08 20:44:00 - [60] Originally by: Rogue Lilly All CCP would have to do is make numbers actually readable by gasp putting real punctuation between digits and making the font size larger than microscopic. This would solve a lot of the scam problems because people could clearly recognize pricing on things. ^^this. Just read through the whole thread, glad I'm not the only one going bananas over this. imho I dont think closing local or putting a fee is the way to go, just make UI scams less evident. When these scams are in the market they only affect the guy who buys a shuttle for 100m, where-as now everyone has to deal with the spam. and yes, I travel to/from motsu/rens/amarr/jita/etc regularly and the spam is not only in the hubs, and also often in cascade because of macros. (side note, seems isk-selling spam has increased too recently,.. at one point it was almost entirely gone with CCP's new filters..) o/



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