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Core Admiral	Posted - 2009.04.08 02:02:00 - [1] So, by now we've all seen the "invul II cheap, 2m" scam where the item is actually 200m or 2b. Is it just me or is this 100 times more annoying than "double your isk" or any other scam for that matter? as someone who makes about 100 jumps a day for my trade routes, literally every local channel is now littered with these spams. If ANYONE at CCP plays the game, I cannot believe that they aren't annoyed also and thinking of a way to prevent this scam (like the addition of "thousand" in the contract price in the last patch). Just to be clear, I am not talking about removing scams from the game, just that it seems absurd to have to live with 100 spams a day (as though every system were jita local) just because of a UI 'exploit' Cliffnotes: CCP Please do something about that specific scam-spam just my 2 cents o/
Sabrage	Posted - 2009.04.08 02:07:00 - [2] In Eve we consider clutter and broken means of communication to be features.
Cat o'Ninetails Rancer Defence League	Posted - 2009.04.08 02:09:00 - [3] eve is like email you get one good email from one of your friends and 100000 from people enlarging your units eve just doesnt have a good spam filter like gmail does so you have to do a bit yourself if it is too good to be true then it is lolz visit my blog for my adventures
Anile8er Solstice Systems Development Concourse Aggression.	Posted - 2009.04.08 02:12:00 - [4] Minimize local.......
Wet Ferret	Posted - 2009.04.08 02:18:00 - [5] Spamming is against the rules. Just too bad that 500 people spamming may not be individually accountable. But, yeah. These forums seriously need some indicator that the post has ended and the sig has started.
Benedic The Aftermath	Posted - 2009.04.08 02:25:00 - [6] Much like all those macro barges all those macro scammers (many still spamming completed spam contracts) will go unpunished.
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2009.04.08 02:30:00 - [7] Originally by: Benedic Much like all those macro barges all those macro scammers (many still spamming completed spam contracts) will go unpunished. They're not all macro's. ______________________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
Cash Collection	Posted - 2009.04.08 02:37:00 - [8] you just got to really appreciate the 400 mil cap recharger and not whine about it. Trust me I know.
Zelbula	Posted - 2009.04.08 02:42:00 - [9] i wood like to double my isk... cause * starts dancing like chris brown * double ur pleasure, double ur fun its the right one, double mint gum, cause i been waiting my whole life, for this one night, cause its gona be me and you on the isk dance thing, cause we only have one 1isk, double ur pleasure double ur isk, forever -ever ever forever, forever on the dance floorr** (where ever u are my eve angel plese come find me :)
Crackzilla The Shadow Order New Eden Research	Posted - 2009.04.08 03:12:00 - [10] Originally by: Core Admiral Cliffnotes: CCP Please do something about that specific scam-spam Absolutely. CCP needs to add a dozen new ways to spam. This way we can get some variety.

mechtech Entropy Industries	Posted - 2009.04.08 03:55:00 - [11] there needs to be some kind of public block list for known spammers that you can import.
Gossef Caldari Nosferatu Security Force	Posted - 2009.04.08 08:09:00 - [12] Or just make the block-list larger, when browsing contracts for stuff that I'm looking for I used to just blindly block anyone who had a scam contract up, untill I hit the block-list-limit...
Nova Fox Gallente Novafox Shipyards	Posted - 2009.04.08 08:10:00 - [13] right click block any ad in local channel that has a link in it. Pre-order your Sisters of ≡v≡ Exploration ship today, Updated 6Apr09
Tippia Raddick Explorations BlackWater.	Posted - 2009.04.08 08:35:00 - [14] I'm really not trolling now, and would genuinely like an answer: could someone explain what the problem here is, really? ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in =v=… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
EmoKidWithKantana Filthy Scum Scum Alliance	Posted - 2009.04.08 08:43:00 - [15] Originally by: Tippia I'm really not trolling now, and would genuinely like an answer: could someone explain what the problem here is, really? Typing 1000000 comes out in text as "1 million" Typing 999999 dossen't come out of anything therefore, people use that flaw to put up contracts for 999999999 isk for things, that with the formating we have look pretty similar to the x amount of million you usualy pay for the item in question, meaning somone not paying perfect attention might missread and pay a hilariusly high overprice for somthing The flaw in itself is not only the stupid amount of flooding of channels this sort of "scam" leads to, but also that it makes finding "real" contracts annoying It also is somewhat fail since it takes advantage of how horrible the contract ui is to earn monney, insted of requireing player skill or social engineering
Tippia Raddick Explorations BlackWater.	Posted - 2009.04.08 09:09:00 - [16] Originally by: EmoKidWithKantana The flaw in itself is not only the stupid amount of flooding of channels this sort of "scam" leads to, but also that it makes finding "real" contracts annoying And this is the part I don't understand. The spam can just be blocked or ignored. The "real" contracts can be found using the exact match search and price sorting. So what is the problem? ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in =v=… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2009.04.08 09:37:00 - [17] tbh this "feature" and all the people going for it has made me start using the block option for the first time in 6 years. It's pretty annoying yes. -

Kahetha's Syster	Posted - 2009.04.08 09:41:00 - [18] just laught at the geniuses who pay loads of money for setting up scam contracts tha (hopefully) no one accept
Havohej Minmatar KHM Corporation	Posted - 2009.04.08 09:41:00 - [19] Originally by: Cash Collection you just got to really appreciate the 400 mil cap recharger... "When your capacitor absolutely, positively *MUST* be recharged before the enemy neut's next cycle." Originally by: CCP Explorer You can still steal their stuff.
Tista	Posted - 2009.04.08 10:26:00 - [20] Originally by: Chribba tbh this "feature" and all the people going for it has made me start using the block option for the first time in 6 years. It's pretty annoying yes. Indeed Chribba, it's been 5 years for me, i've never blocked anyone in the game... but now contracts and send me this i'll send you double back spams in every high sec system is getting a bit much:/ Tista -------------------- "this is the templar fighter used by carriers" Originaly quoted by Shania Eria.

Jaina Proudmoar Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2009.04.08 10:30:00 - [21] Originally by: Chribba tbh this "feature" and all the people going for it has made me start using the block option for the first time in 6 years. It's pretty annoying yes. If you send me your ISK I can double it for you!
Confuzer Volition Cult The Volition Cult	Posted - 2009.04.08 10:31:00 - [22] Bah, why do you even use local in highsec? If you do, and don't like the spam. Go find a nice quiet system. trust me, there are alot around. ----------------- Destiny is not a matter of chance. It is a matter of choice. It's not a thing to be waited for - it is a thing to be achieved.
F'nog Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. I.C.C Industrial Drive Yards	Posted - 2009.04.08 10:58:00 - [23] On the one hand, this goes back to the days of the 10,000.00 shuttle scams that were actually 1,000,000.00 and even more. So I wouldn't mind them at all. Because they were on the market. But when the same stupid things invade chat, that's really annoying. And stupid. I mean, you've got means to do this sort of scam, so use it. Why pollute another section of the game with it? Probably because stupid people are stupid, and there's enough profit in this to bother with it. Thus CCP is tasked with the question: do we make the game better to use or simply "remove" all the stupid people. That's when people enter the grey areas. Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said Originally by: Chribba Go F'nog! You're a hero! Not a Zero! /me bows
pipvac Sacred Templars Aggression.	Posted - 2009.04.08 10:59:00 - [24] CCP have no interest in pursuing anything operating within the game mechanic, so long as they keep paying their subscriptions. Desperately seeking originality since the first "can I have your stuff" since 2003.
Dark Soldat Caldari	Posted - 2009.04.08 11:06:00 - [25] Originally by: Chribba tbh this "feature" and all the people going for it has made me start using the block option for the first time in 6 years. It's pretty annoying yes. O...M...G.... the scammers are in trouuubleeeee !!
Irida Mershkov Gallente War is Bliss	Posted - 2009.04.08 11:11:00 - [26] Originally by: Crackzilla Originally by: Core Admiral Cliffnotes: CCP Please do something about that specific scam-spam Absolutely. CCP needs to add a dozen new ways to spam. This way we can get some variety. This, I remember starting at my first one of these contracts, it took me a few minutes to see how they were doing it exactly hehe.
Rawr Cristina Caldari Naqam Exalted.	Posted - 2009.04.08 11:13:00 - [27] Ever since they removed the .00 isk on the end of the contract amount it's been happening. So instead of saying 999,999,999.99 isk, it's just 999,999,999 and people don't really look at it, accept and have just lost 1bil. If they actually had the amount rounded on all the contracts (so it would simply say 1 Billion, or at least 999.99 Million) this wouldn't happen half as much. (And it does happen. A lot.) - Contagious -

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2009.04.08 11:17:00 - [28] Originally by: Dark Soldat O...M...G.... the scammers are in trouuubleeeee !! Well tbh only if they want to purchase a supercap securely as they wouldn't be able to speak to me since they're blocked... otherwise I doubt they care as I most likely wouldn't have fallen for their scams anyway -

Arec Bardwin	Posted - 2009.04.08 11:17:00 - [29] Originally by: Anile8er Minimize local....... this Originally by: Tippia The "real" contracts can be found using the exact match search and price sorting. and this
Durzel The Xenodus Initiative.	Posted - 2009.04.08 11:18:00 - [30] Posted it elsewhere, but I think this is a simple solution: Originally by: Durzel CCP should probably consider making it so that there's a seperate line on the contract which reads out the value in full, like you get on cheques: ONE billion NINE hundred and NINETY-NINE million, NINE hundred and NINETY-NINE thousand, NINE hundred and NINETY NINE ISK Problem solved.

Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2009.04.08 11:51:00 - [31] Originally by: Core Admiral as someone who makes about 100 jumps a day for my trade routes, literally every local channel is now littered with these spams. Only if you're flying between Perimiter and Jita fifty times a day. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Inquisitor Cerberuso	Posted - 2009.04.08 12:01:00 - [32] erm, what exactly is the problem here? You use local in High sec? ok unless your at war then this is pointless... Fallen for a scam? lesson learnt, I like the fact that you can scam, and I have been on the recieving end, it adds a touch of realism to the game, rather than being wrapped in cotton wool..... You trade... which means you are most likely in the most popular systems in the game, and you know what they say, an individual is smart but a group of people are usually pretty dumb... Most that fall for these scams may quit the game, which can only be good, if you stupid enough to fall for it, then tbh you get what you deserve, what do they call it? Darwinism?
Xen Gin Solar Excavations Ultd.	Posted - 2009.04.08 12:03:00 - [33] Originally by: Inquisitor Cerberuso erm, what exactly is the problem here? You use local in High sec? ok unless your at war then this is pointless... Fallen for a scam? lesson learnt, I like the fact that you can scam, and I have been on the recieving end, it adds a touch of realism to the game, rather than being wrapped in cotton wool..... You trade... which means you are most likely in the most popular systems in the game, and you know what they say, an individual is smart but a group of people are usually pretty dumb... Most that fall for these scams may quit the game, which can only be good, if you stupid enough to fall for it, then tbh you get what you deserve, what do they call it? Darwinism? I think the problem I'm seeing here, is not the scamming, its the spamming of local channels, for scams, ISK selling and other stuff. Some are also using macros to spam text.
Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2009.04.08 12:09:00 - [34] CCP please do something against this horrible spam!!! Scamming is fine. But the spam is what makes everything soooo annoying. And yeah, there is a BLOCK list, but is no good. Why not .... CSPA charge for posting in local? Each member in the empire system will add the fee by 1000 isk 0.0 controlled systems can set their own CSPA -> money goes to alliance wallet Please do something about the excessive spammming.
Wacktopia Infinity Miners Union Eych Four Eks Zero Ahr	Posted - 2009.04.08 12:12:00 - [35] Edited by: Wacktopia on 08/04/2009 12:13:10 Meh, I only monitor the list of players in local (looking for reds etc) and pretty-much always ignore the actual chat. The easiest way to solve this problem is for everyone to just ignore those stupid in-local offers. The scammers will get bored when it stops working. I think you're exagering too. This happens a lot in busy trading systems but if you get out of those then its almost always silent. I doubt very much that every one of you "100 jumps" is littered with scammers.
Wacktopia Infinity Miners Union Eych Four Eks Zero Ahr	Posted - 2009.04.08 12:15:00 - [36] Originally by: Gnulpie Why not .... CSPA charge for posting in local? Each member in the empire system will add the fee by 1000 isk 0.0 controlled systems can set their own CSPA -> money goes to alliance wallet Yikes, so 300 ppl in system means 300,000 to speak? 0.0 might cost 1,000,000 per player as a scam. Gah gah gooooo gah!
TimMc Gallente Brutal Deliverance	Posted - 2009.04.08 12:16:00 - [37] Originally by: Tippia The "real" contracts can be found using the exact match search and price sorting. Indeed. Local contracts may be tempting but are usually scams.
Evanade Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2009.04.08 12:20:00 - [38] Solution: disallow linking of contracts in local
Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2009.04.08 12:26:00 - [39] Originally by: Wacktopia Originally by: Gnulpie Why not .... CSPA charge for posting in local? Each member in the empire system will add the fee by 1000 isk 0.0 controlled systems can set their own CSPA -> money goes to alliance wallet Yikes, so 300 ppl in system means 300,000 to speak? 0.0 might cost 1,000,000 per player as a scam. Gah gah gooooo gah! Well, you see ... no one FORCES you to talk in local, right? But if you want to advertise, then it should cost something. Risk/reward, anyone?
Anvalor Gallente Germania Inc. D0GMA	Posted - 2009.04.08 12:29:00 - [40] If you need local as intel tool then just move it as a separate window to the left so that you only see the pictures and names of people like i do. That is also good for not reading smacktalk while in pvp. And if you do not even need local then just minimize it. If you want to talk to people in local then open a convo with them which is good for 2 reasons. Noone can read what you talk about and noone has to read the nonsense you talk about, problem solved and less time wasted for ccp to solve a problem that does not exist.

wowtard	Posted - 2009.04.08 12:54:00 - [41] Scamming I don't care about. Caveat emptor and all that. Spamming local until it turns into that incomprehensible stream thing from the Matrix, yes, please come up with something to prevent it. Just an idea to toss out there... Blowing up an internet spaceship is fun, but blowing up an entire account can be funnerer. Allow us to register as vigilantes to expose ISK sellers accounts for banstick action by authorities. Give away a beautiful (I mean something that will make veterans who love Eve salivate) limited edition Concord shuttle for each ISK seller brought to justice.
Another Forum'Alt Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2009.04.08 13:29:00 - [42] Give us a way to close local. Problem solved. Guide to forum posting
Aarin Wrath Caldari Quatidion Arkai Confederation	Posted - 2009.04.08 13:35:00 - [43] Edited by: Aarin Wrath on 08/04/2009 13:35:53 yeah I have to admit the local spam is getting very annoying. Scamming is fine blah blah ... but when local ends up moving by so fast due to all the scamming attempts that you cant read anything then its a problem. It's getting ridiculous. I have seen people trying to scam with lowly Tech 2 items, let alone any faction or collector items normally used in scams. edit:spelling
Maglorre	Posted - 2009.04.08 14:07:00 - [44] Originally by: Wacktopia I think you're exagering too. This happens a lot in busy trading systems but if you get out of those then its almost always silent. I doubt very much that every one of you "100 jumps" is littered with scammers. Been out of Jita lately? Even 6-7 jumps away (not on a main trade route either) the local spam is getting ridiculous. I'm convinced these people are simply setting an autopilot route then using a keyboard macro to spam their drivel as they fly around. Following on from another suggestion, how about an "advertising fee" for including a contract link in local chat Problem is these contracts are probably making so much ISK that the fees would be but a drop in the ocean and it would have no effect.
Lazarann Caldari Darkstorm Command Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2009.04.08 14:13:00 - [45] My favorite was "I need a navy mega. Give me a navy mega and I'll give you a regular Mega plus 400mil" And of course, you'd end up giving him the navy mega AND the 400mil. It's only my favorite because some idiot actually fell for it
Andrew Riviera Caldari The First Church of the Azure Carrot The Dominion Empire	Posted - 2009.04.08 14:16:00 - [46] Edited by: Andrew Riviera on 08/04/2009 14:16:55 T2 makes it more believable. It's something that wouldn't normally be tens or hundreds of millions, so seeing it sold for less the normal price strains suspension of disbelief less. That doesn't make it believable to someone with a functioning brain, but the scams don't target those people, they target newbies who just hit up the First Bank of China, or veterans running on three hours of sleep in the last 36 and running out of coffee. Yes, I think CCP needs to act on the spam issue, and the ***ty contract UI that makes this remotely possible. '999,999,999.99 ISK (~1 billion isk)' would be a workable format for displaying both the raw number and the rounded approximation. As for the spam, charge a fee to link* in local. The other half, though, players need to take responsibility for. Stop falling for scams. If you think you might fall for a scam, stop reading Local in market hubs. Scams exist because, in the absence of the possibility of law enforcement in EVE, they offer enormous payoffs for tiny investments and zero risk. I reiterate: people scam because it makes them money and they'll continue to find new and creatively more obnoxious ways to scam and spam as long as it continues to be practical to do so. If you run around with a billion isk in your wallet, stop and think before you spend it. Bank it on an alt, invest it in something, or just squeeze Local off to the side. Please, stop feeding the trolls.
Judas Lonestar Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2009.04.08 14:28:00 - [47] Originally by: Havohej Originally by: Cash Collection you just got to really appreciate the 400 mil cap recharger... "When your capacitor absolutely, positively *MUST* be recharged before the enemy neut's next cycle."
Mashie Saldana Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams	Posted - 2009.04.08 15:12:00 - [48] Originally by: Kahetha's Syster just laught at the geniuses who pay loads of money for setting up scam contracts tha (hopefully) no one accept If only...
Doctor Penguin Amarr Shadow Command Tenth Legion	Posted - 2009.04.08 15:25:00 - [49] Edited by: Doctor Penguin on 08/04/2009 15:28:01 The problem is, sometimes you get really good deals from spotting a contract that's advertised in local. (I got my first Geddon, which I love to bits, with 2 Trimarks on it for 85m ISK - that's quite a few m ISK less than the bits seperately. I got it from a local-advertised contract.) So you then have to look for these contracts under layers of spam from the same type of scam. ________________________________________________ http://eve.drome.nl/CaodCleaner/ Help make CAOD readable.
Rogue Lilly Caldari Lords Of Filth	Posted - 2009.04.08 16:37:00 - [50] Edited by: Rogue Lilly on 08/04/2009 16:37:33 It seems to me that so many scams are associated with the obnoxiously crap font and formatting in eve numbers. All CCP would have to do is make numbers actually readable by gasp putting real punctuation between digits and making the font size larger than microscopic. This would solve a lot of the scam problems because people could clearly recognize pricing on things. Seriously, I need to see a chiropractor from having to lean 2 inches away from my screen to read anything in eve.

Sweaty Minge	Posted - 2009.04.08 18:13:00 - [51] Originally by: Sabrage In Eve we consider clutter and broken means of communication to be features. lol, if only this was a joke.
Deej Montana Caldari Outbound Flight	Posted - 2009.04.08 18:26:00 - [52] Originally by: Rogue Lilly Edited by: Rogue Lilly on 08/04/2009 16:37:33 It seems to me that so many scams are associated with the obnoxiously crap font and formatting in eve numbers... All CCP would have to do is make numbers actually readable by gasp putting real punctuation between digits and making the font size larger than microscopic... Best practices in modern UI design and typography FTW.
Tippia Raddick Explorations BlackWater.	Posted - 2009.04.08 18:42:00 - [53] Originally by: Rogue Lilly Seriously, I need to see a chiropractor from having to lean 2 inches away from my screen to read anything in eve. I'd suggest an optometrist instead — prevention is better than repairs. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in =v=… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Faife Federation of Freedom Fighters Aggression.	Posted - 2009.04.08 20:21:00 - [54] Originally by: Deej Montana Originally by: Rogue Lilly Edited by: Rogue Lilly on 08/04/2009 16:37:33 It seems to me that so many scams are associated with the obnoxiously crap font and formatting in eve numbers... All CCP would have to do is make numbers actually readable by gasp putting real punctuation between digits and making the font size larger than microscopic... Best practices in modern UI design and typography FTW. i love playing the "is that an O or a 0" game for finding 0.0 systems --
Feilamya Minmatar	Posted - 2009.04.08 20:25:00 - [55] Originally by: Durzel Posted it elsewhere, but I think this is a simple solution: Originally by: Durzel CCP should probably consider making it so that there's a seperate line on the contract which reads out the value in full, like you get on cheques: ONE billion NINE hundred and NINETY-NINE million, NINE hundred and NINETY-NINE thousand, NINE hundred and NINETY NINE ISK Problem solved. That would be too easy and kill the scamming profession. Then again, they could use the Danish number system ...
wickedpheonix	Posted - 2009.04.08 20:27:00 - [56] I just avoid any contract with all nines in it. Real sellers know, for high-value items that round-numbers are usually appreciated.
Wet Ferret	Posted - 2009.04.08 20:28:00 - [57] Originally by: Feilamya That would be too easy and kill the scamming profession. And there would be much rejoicing. But, yeah. These forums seriously need some indicator that the post has ended and the sig has started.
Jimer Lins Gallente Noir.	Posted - 2009.04.08 20:30:00 - [58] Scam away, I don't care. But local's turning into the EVE equivalent of USENET. I say we just kick local to the curb and make all systems work like W-space- delayed mode. Corp killboard-How to Kill Logoffskis
Tippia Raddick Explorations BlackWater.	Posted - 2009.04.08 20:34:00 - [59] Edited by: Tippia on 08/04/2009 20:35:10 Originally by: Feilamya to give scammers a fair chance, they should use the Danish number system ... If they did that, I'm afraid I would have to report CCP to the Hague tribunal for crimes against humanity. Originally by: Jimer Lins I say we just kick local to the curb and make all systems work like W-space- delayed mode. How would that help against spam? It's not like the spammers don't want you to know that they're there… ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in =v=… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Core Admiral	Posted - 2009.04.08 20:44:00 - [60] Originally by: Rogue Lilly All CCP would have to do is make numbers actually readable by gasp putting real punctuation between digits and making the font size larger than microscopic. This would solve a lot of the scam problems because people could clearly recognize pricing on things. ^^this. Just read through the whole thread, glad I'm not the only one going bananas over this. imho I dont think closing local or putting a fee is the way to go, just make UI scams less evident. When these scams are in the market they only affect the guy who buys a shuttle for 100m, where-as now everyone has to deal with the spam. and yes, I travel to/from motsu/rens/amarr/jita/etc regularly and the spam is not only in the hubs, and also often in cascade because of macros. (side note, seems isk-selling spam has increased too recently,.. at one point it was almost entirely gone with CCP's new filters..) o/

A Pacifist	Posted - 2009.04.09 10:24:00 - [61] Edited by: A Pacifist on 09/04/2009 10:24:41 Might be nice to see a Local - Trade channel, and then break links/mute people linking to contracts that post in regular local.
Tippia Raddick Explorations BlackWater.	Posted - 2009.04.09 10:29:00 - [62] Originally by: A Pacifist Might be nice to see a Local - Trade channel, and then break links/mute people linking to contracts that post in regular local. So create one. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in =v=… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Lifelongnoob Caldari Final Conflict UK Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2009.04.09 10:57:00 - [63] Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails eve is like email you get one good email from one of your friends and 100000 from people enlarging your units lol u call your genitals "units"
Lifelongnoob Caldari Final Conflict UK Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2009.04.09 10:59:00 - [64] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: A Pacifist Might be nice to see a Local - Trade channel, and then break links/mute people linking to contracts that post in regular local. So create one. what would the guys in Jita talk about then? half the reason why jita lags so bad is cos of all the spam
Vincent Gaines Tau Online Explorator Corp	Posted - 2009.04.09 11:00:00 - [65] Originally by: Evanade Solution: disallow linking of contracts in local asdasdfaf> Sisters Core Probe Launcher x1 1,000,000 ISK. Convo me for details!
General Carebear	Posted - 2009.04.09 12:01:00 - [66] The absolute easiest way to get CCP to do something about this is to have everyone reading this post thier own "Scam" messages in local chat all the time, thus diluting the spammers message and overloading the servers at the same time. CCP will have no choice but to react.
Tippia Raddick Explorations BlackWater.	Posted - 2009.04.09 12:04:00 - [67] Originally by: General Carebear The absolute easiest way to get CCP to do something about this is to have everyone reading this post thier own "Scam" messages in local chat all the time, thus diluting the spammers message and overloading the servers at the same time. CCP will have no choice but to react. Yes, let's solve a non-issue by breaking the game and ruining it for everyone… ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in =v=… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Ariane VoxDei	Posted - 2009.04.09 12:21:00 - [68] Originally by: Gnulpie Why not .... CSPA charge for posting in local? Each member in the empire system will add the fee by 1000 isk 0.0 controlled systems can set their own CSPA -> money goes to alliance wallet Please do something about the excessive spammming. No Smacking in local could get seriously expensive that way. And imagine in large fleet engagements, with sovereingty holders setting the local fee Invading fleet talks in local... >9000b local cost, thank you, please smack us in local about the fee you just paid... And what's next? Proposing CSPA charge for forum posting? Taxing local is not the answer. Autobanning 2 weeks, no questions asked, no appeals, those who put up scam-level contracts, however, might work. You all know the sort. 10/100/1000/1000000/1000000000x deviations.
Pilk Blade.	Posted - 2009.04.09 12:21:00 - [69] Originally by: Core Admiral Originally by: Rogue Lilly All CCP would have to do is make numbers actually readable by gasp putting real punctuation between digits and making the font size larger than microscopic. This would solve a lot of the scam problems because people could clearly recognize pricing on things. ^^this. Just read through the whole thread, glad I'm not the only one going bananas over this. Do either of you actually play the game? The font for the price in contracts is plenty large, and already includes punctuation between the numbers. You don't even have to log on to see that, just scroll up in this thread. Easiest solution (IMHO) is to grab the number of digits equal to the log-base-ten of the price, modulo three, plus one. Then you get "999,999,999" -> "over 999 million" (or "999 million and change"), "99,999,999" -> "over 99 million", and my favorite, "9,999.99" -> "over 9 thousand". --P Kosh: The avalanche has already started. It is too late for the pebbles to vote. Tyrrax's bet status: PAID!
wowtard	Posted - 2009.04.09 12:30:00 - [70] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: General Carebear The absolute easiest way to get CCP to do something about this is to have everyone reading this post thier own "Scam" messages in local chat all the time, thus diluting the spammers message and overloading the servers at the same time. CCP will have no choice but to react. Yes, let's solve a non-issue by breaking the game and ruining it for everyoneà This does raise an interesting issue. What IS the server/database load of all these accounts that are created only for spamming and scamming? Is the increased load due to these accounts worth it? Suggestions: 1. Remove ability for trial accounts to contract. They can and should be doing many many other things. Isn't that the purpose of the trial? 2. Limit the number of characters allowed to have open contracts to one per account. 3. Remove linking of contracts in local chat. Duh.

Ryusoath Orillian Minmatar INDUSTIENCE	Posted - 2009.04.09 12:49:00 - [71] a simple out of game mechanic exists for this. not being an idiot. only an idiot could fall for this.
Cherab Minmatar Dynaverse Corporation Vertigo Coalition	Posted - 2009.04.09 14:54:00 - [72] Originally by: wowtard 3. Remove linking of contracts in local chat. Duh. Think that's a bit much tbh, but what about a brokers fee type of thing for linking it in local eg 0.05% of contract value. Only really hurts the spammers and scammers. Most people with genuine high value contract items sell on forums or trade channels anyway
Tippia Raddick Explorations BlackWater.	Posted - 2009.04.09 15:11:00 - [73] Originally by: wowtard What IS the server/database load of all these accounts that are created only for spamming and scamming? What do you base this assumption on? Quote: 1. Remove ability for trial accounts to contract. They can and should be doing many many other things. Isn't that the purpose of the trial? The purpose of a trial is to allow people to try things — hence the name. Some of them might want to try contracts. Also, see above. Quote: 2. Limit the number of characters allowed to have open contracts to one per account. To what benefit?. Contracts on alt slots cannot be spammed, and without the spam, no-one will find them since the contract search effectively filters them out. So how would a scammer benfit from having those extra contracts running? Quote: 3. Remove linking of contracts in local chat. Duh. Pointless — "Selling CNR for 250mil, check bio for details"… repeat as needed. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in =v=… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Lupo sunrunner Wing Kong Exchange	Posted - 2009.04.09 15:13:00 - [74] Either force players upon accepting a contract to enter the amount of isk required instead of just accepting or CCP implentment a bit of extra code so that the Isk required is displayed in words aswell, the entire number in words. Sorted.
Agent Known Apotheosis of Virtue	Posted - 2009.04.09 15:14:00 - [75] Originally by: A Pacifist Edited by: A Pacifist on 09/04/2009 10:24:41 Might be nice to see a Local - Trade channel, and then break links/mute people linking to contracts that post in regular local. WoW is that way ---->
big fluf	Posted - 2009.04.09 15:47:00 - [76] I am the first to admit I LOVE a good scam, some dort of clever thing like a guy infiltrating a corp and war and stuff like that.. HOWEVER , these "accidently" paying 1 million isk for 1 missle, type things are dumb. IT only takes away from teh game,.. no one whats to wade through spam in what is essensally an escapest game. - I play eve to get away from all that stuff.
Tippia Raddick Explorations BlackWater.	Posted - 2009.04.09 15:50:00 - [77] Originally by: big fluf no one whats to wade through spam in what is essensally an escapest game. So don't. Minimize local, use contract search. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in =v=… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
big fluf	Posted - 2009.04.09 16:08:00 - [78] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: big fluf no one whats to wade through spam in what is essensally an escapest game. So don't. Minimize local, use contract search. sorry, I didn't explain my self clearly, local is the place in eve where you can reach out to tother, and expand your net work. Talk , joke and other wise comunicate with random people. This is being killed by spam. We need some way of keeping local a comunication tool, .. not a spam toilet.
Barkaial Starfinder Minmatar The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc. Balance of Judgment	Posted - 2009.04.09 16:18:00 - [79] As long as there are IDIOTS falling for every scamm, there will be scammers. And CCP will never handle everything. C'monnnnnnnn They can't keep spamming "Send me your iskies and I'll double it" unless someone believes...
Forando Interstellar Cowards	Posted - 2009.04.09 16:27:00 - [80] Originally by: Gnulpie Why not .... CSPA charge for posting in local? Each member in the empire system will add the fee by 1000 isk 0.0 controlled systems can set their own CSPA -> money goes to alliance wallet Please do something about the excessive spammming. Haha, riiiiight! In a random system a random war wages. An General Random Smack the third is dominating local: General Random Smack> Ha ha ha.. General Random Smack> Yeah, just hug that station as if it was your mother, booo hooo... General Random Smack> Already bedtime kids? I'll be your worst nightmare then, muuuhahaha.. Three hours and a couple of random brewerages of alcoholic substance later in same random systems local chat, General Random Smack is hit with a revelation: General Random Smack> an than I said haha tu the shark fleeing becuz i awsum. HAHAHAHAH!!!! General Random Smack> so you guyus still in thar?? General Random Smack> WHAT! WHO ARE CLOSING OUR OFFICES?? GUYUS?? Sir Clever Station Hugger> Haha, we win on technicalities. You have no ISK, thus no alliance. Random Local Guy> And now, VEDLSPAR!! I think there are a few flaws in your suggestion. I can name a few Alliances, Corps and Players that wouldn't be around today, if these ideas were implemented with retroactive effect. It seems counterproductive in an MMORPG to have people use ingame money to actually socialize. That's just wrong! Enjoy, and fly safe..

Wet Ferret	Posted - 2009.04.09 17:42:00 - [81] Originally by: Tippia Quote: 3. Remove linking of contracts in local chat. Duh. Pointless ù "Selling CNR for 250mil, check bio for details"à repeat as needed. Obvious alt scam spammer or what? Non-issue? lol Spamming is against the rules because it's a non-issue right? We got by just fine before without contracts. And people who wanted to scam did advertise in local sometimes, but it required effort and therefore was done with much less frequency. This issue here is frequency, not scamming by itself. It's become so braindead easy to trick people with the flawed UI that it's being done with macros FFS. Public channels are so flooded with scam spam that you can't even click fast enough to block people in some cases. NON-ISSUE THOUGH. MOVE ALONG, NOTHING TO SEE HERE. LOL Removing links in general from public channels (might as well include URLs in that too) would absolutely solve the "problem" (that being excessive spam). But, yeah. These forums seriously need some indicator that the post has ended and the sig has started.
Feilamya Minmatar	Posted - 2009.04.09 17:44:00 - [82] Originally by: Barkaial Starfinder As long as there are IDIOTS falling for every scamm, there will be scammers. And CCP will never handle everything. CCP could nerf idiots. Would solve a ton of problems.
Adeline Grey	Posted - 2009.04.09 18:05:00 - [83] Hi, I have an idea. If we all start doing in, and I do mean all of us, then maybe something will be done. So whatever system you are in, whereever you may play, please start spamming a spam contract over and over again, preferably one that has been completed, and let us see how it takes CCP to do something.
Tippia Raddick Explorations BlackWater.	Posted - 2009.04.09 18:06:00 - [84] Originally by: Wet Ferret Obvious alt scam spammer or what? Obvious butterfingered analphabet or what? There is nothing about either the scams or the spam that cannot be solved by what's in the game already. Quote: Non-issue? Yes, since it can already be solved. Quote: lol Spamming is against the rules because it's a non-issue right? No. But if what we were talking about here was against the rules, we'd see a lot less of it. The scams are entirely legal. The advertising is legal as well and the reason they feel like spam is because there are tons of people doing it (probably due to there being tons of fools who can't read who fall for it). If you want to see what actual spam looks like, go find your local ISK retailer… Quote: It's become so braindead easy to trick people with the flawed UI that it's being done with macros FFS. You need to be braindead to fall for these "tricks" given how easy they are to avoid — they are blatantly obvious, flawed UI or not. Quote: Public channels are so flooded with scam spam that you can't even click fast enough to block people in some cases. If they're actually spammed, then you should have no problem picking the name up — it will occur frequently enough. If it's because there are many scammers, then guess what: natural result of being in a hub. Get out of it if it bothers you that much… or just join one of the trading channels. Again, the solutions already exist — some people just seem to refuse to use them. Quote: But think about how bad this makes EVE look to new players, or really anyone who likes to use those chat channels for, you know, chat. It's terrible. When I was new, a year back, it made me think "wow — an actual bazaar". It was awesome! There are enough channels available for chat so the loss of local makes next to no difference. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in =v=… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Pestilent Industries	Posted - 2009.04.09 18:10:00 - [85] Any idiot who defends the other idiots spamming channels with the same crap over and over is more of an idiot than previously thought. PS - The rule breaking part is using macros and spamming. The scams are fine in and of themselves.
Tippia Raddick Explorations BlackWater.	Posted - 2009.04.09 18:20:00 - [86] Originally by: Pestilent Industries PS - The rule breaking part is using macros and spamming. The scams are fine in and of themselves. …so, have you tried reporting them? The GMs tend to answer pretty quickly to those kinds of petitions. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in =v=… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Ephemeron North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.04.09 18:23:00 - [87] Why not implement spam filters? real world solution to spam!
Tippia Raddick Explorations BlackWater.	Posted - 2009.04.09 18:28:00 - [88] Originally by: Ephemeron Why not implement spam filters? real world solution to spam! Because that would take care of the ISK sellers, and we can't have that, now can we? ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in =v=… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Hariya	Posted - 2009.04.09 18:34:00 - [89] Originally by: Wet Ferret Spamming is against the rules. It literally can't be. CCP set the standard limit by sounding that ACCCgHRRUUUGA! sound when you try to send your messages too fast.
Wet Ferret	Posted - 2009.04.09 18:56:00 - [90] Edited by: Wet Ferret on 09/04/2009 18:56:40 Originally by: Hariya Originally by: Wet Ferret Spamming is against the rules. It literally can't be. CCP set the standard limit by sounding that ACCCgHRRUUUGA! sound when you try to send your messages too fast. Flooding and spamming are not the same thing. And yes spam is against the rules, even when being done by multiple players. Just ask Goonfleet. The idea is that it's against the rules for a reason, which could be simplified as "it's bad somehow" and therefore if something can be done to prevent it, then why not? Typical chat spam regulates itself as players who don't get responses stop talking, whereas scammers and bots don't stop. Removing the reason for them to spam would put an end to it. But, yeah. These forums seriously need some indicator that the post has ended and the sig has started.

Tippia Raddick Explorations BlackWater.	Posted - 2009.04.09 19:00:00 - [91] Originally by: Wet Ferret Removing the reason for them to spam would put an end to it. The only way to do that would be to remove all the silly sods who fall for the scams… ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in =v=… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Perikoros	Posted - 2009.04.09 20:27:00 - [92] A readable font would go a long ways to being able to avoid this. And the light on dark text, ever bought a book like that?
Lucjan	Posted - 2009.04.09 20:35:00 - [93] looking in jita over the last few months i've noticed the same person or a small group of people then followed by copycats who probably fell for it. The individual was easly identified as it would always be a female name with a random last name. That individual has at least 10 character in jita alone and i've seen the same pattern in other hubs. yey for plex passes and the (# billions) being missing caused this recent influx of awesomeness.
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Dara Cothrom	Posted - 2009.04.09 21:13:00 - [94] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Wet Ferret Removing the reason for them to spam would put an end to it. The only way to do that would be to remove all the silly sods who fall for the scamsà ye this. Autoban anyone who petitions a scam!
F90OEX F9X Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.04.16 00:04:00 - [95] I Approve of this message
Another Forum'Alt Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2009.04.16 00:16:00 - [96] Fix it so prices are displayed like this: Cheap Item Some Scammer Is Trying To Make you Pay Too Much For I 999.9 million ISK (999,999,999.99 ISK) BECAUSE OF FALCON. Guide to forum posting


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