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Marcus Gideon Gallente Limited Liability Corp	Posted - 2009.04.14 15:15:00 - [31] Originally by: Mirana Niranne Originally by: Nnamuachs Originally by: Psychotic Penguin I see no problem with guns in stations, or dying in stations either for that matter. The main reason for pod pilots to be in pods is because the technology for scanning their brains is big. Technology gets smaller all the time so it would only be a matter of time before it is the size of a small brain implant. The problem with this idea as a whole, besides the fact that you couldnt get technology that small anyways, is that, the technology in the pod doesnt scan your brain when you die, the brain scan is what kills you, the microsecond that the pod sense a breach it immediately initiates the brain scan, completely frying your brain in the process, before the pod breach can kill you. You're dead before your body feels the cold of space. If you had something that was an internal factor like a chip, how would it tell if your injuries are life threatening enough to need to fry your brain for the scan, additionally, it would be unlikely to beat a bullet to the end of you life process, especially if the bullet so happened to actually hit the implant, ruining it and killing your character permanently. Additionally if you read the chronicles, for the pod pilots that do leave their pods to wander around station, they usually have a "large" compliment of armed guards surrounding them at all times. Obviously you didn't read the lore enough. Pod detects breach, scans brain and then injects a neurotoxin that instantly kills you. The scan isn't what kills you. She does have a point... However, I think it's relatively moot. Pods are large mechanisms for several reasons. 1) They are their own spaceships. You can always cruiser around in just a pod if you wanted. 2) They house all the life support for the pilot. 3) They house all the clone copying equipment in case you do die. Now I think the bulk of the pod is devoted to spaceship stuff. But there's still a lot that goes into brain copying and emailing to your next body. The copying process doesn't kill you, otherwise you'd die everytime you used a Jump Clone as well. BUT... you have to be in a station to Jump Clones. So I'd imagine it's still a lot of bulky technology involved. I agree with most of the folks around here. Initially, stations will be like airports. You'll be screened when you exit your ship, and you'll be monitored as you walk around the station. So I doubt there will be much in the way of firearms present. After a while, they may allow brawling or non-lethal combat. But that would, as suggested prior, lead to Concord arrest before anyone died. If they ever did escalate to the point of allowing death inside a station, then some mechanism would have to cover the clones. Either a copy before you exit the pod, meaning you'd have to stop training while outside. Or an implant that saves your brain, or something. However, I think the steps from Ambulation to Mortal Kombat should be lengthy and would inevitably result in a totally different game. "The only safe place in EVE is docked inside a station... until they add Close Quarters assassinations." --- *Players aren't interested in Variety, they only want THE BEST.*
Moominator	Posted - 2009.04.14 15:19:00 - [32] Originally by: Nnamuachs The last thing people need are more reasons to not undock, WiS is and should always be fluff/eye candy and nothing more than basic interactions, anything involving combat in the stations in any manner will detract from CCP's original game and make it worthless. A very important and under read post in all of this thread. The whole WIS concept must be only interactive to the point of affecting space related objects with maybe only novelty things otherwise that could not steal away from the main point of EVE. I.e manually fuelling a tower in the tower itself. Whilst you're still boarded and a occupant of the POS you would be vunerable to the equivilent of being 'pod killed' if the station was sucessfully attacked. Actually walking in a Empire station and being able to do similar maybe a very interesting side-ward thing to do but as stated.. detract from the whole concept of EVE and if anything hurt the actively low sec/null sec flying population. WIS should be restricted to something as a null sec pos, a good countering idea.
Ravien Kariak Gallente	Posted - 2009.04.14 15:39:00 - [33] Edited by: Ravien Kariak on 14/04/2009 15:43:50 seems to me a nice idea but i hope they dont deviate from the original game premise by bringing in some FPS or lowlife brawling into the WIS content. from what ive read capsuleers are demigods and pretty much the most powerful individuals in the universe, we wouldnt need arms or to fight since we would have bodyguards and minions for this. secondly i imagine that spending all that time suspended in the pod goo would do no favours for your physical condition. perhaps muscles atrophied? its a known issue with modern astronauts their muscles weaken in space due to lack of gravity and resistance. but of course the types who want pew pew in station are most likely the sort of people who like to hound anything that moves and put camping hats on near stations. what id like to do is see relevant minigames. maybe a ship repair suite, a bar with various pastimes like poker/roulette or as someone suggested refuelling POS's. it would have to be something lightweight that wont take too much time off CCP's development team so they can crack on with another even shinier expansion preferably giving me something with more kick for my carebear enjoyment Too Much Light Hides the Shadows
Teth Soress	Posted - 2009.04.14 15:46:00 - [34] Just have Concord troops in the stations. Have guns holstered and make it a Concordable offense to unholster your gun. That way if you want to cap someone you have like a few seconds to do it before you get killed.
Jef Rosso	Posted - 2009.04.14 15:53:00 - [35] i imagine there will be combat at one point in the future but it will be more of a holodeck type of game it would be a shame not to devlop WIS in this direction as a HUGE amout of work has gone into it.
General Xenophon Caldari Infinite Improbability Inc Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2009.04.14 15:53:00 - [36] Originally by: Aura Spectrum let us carry guns in stations... get in gunfights with WTs and who nots... teach them to cry huddled in a caldari station where they can't be bumped off! Just so long as you get to hear 'HEAD SHOT' or 'MumumumuMULTI-KILL' :D when you shoot people in stations. Also, bubble gum and strippers. Mmmhmmm! /signed. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= "Now, we must all fear evil men. But there is another kind of evil which we must fear most, and that is the indifference of good men." - Boondock Saints
Nathanael Alqenir Ekchuah Incorporated	Posted - 2009.04.14 15:59:00 - [37] Yeah some minigame would be nice, maybe not CS like, but something like operation anchorage for fallout, some kind of an historical sim, maybe revive some old battles (if there are any in eve history, I lack some background knowledge). Maybe a planetary vehicle sim of some sort . But surely, bar brawl would be fun, maybe restricted to lowsec space ?
sahtila hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.04.14 16:28:00 - [38] Yah, would really enjoy playing CS against hordes of aim-bot-using, wall-hacks using cheating script-kiddies... NOT.
Nasbrit	Posted - 2009.04.14 16:35:00 - [39] The idea of walking around a station and having everything raging around you in a gun fight would not only be annoying to most players but would also feel very unrealistic to the Eve universe. And I think very few people would choose to use WIS, something the devs have put a lot of effort into. As for arenas and the such, well, that's simple. If you want to play CS, go play CS. Having the devs focus on a FPS mini game that was at all fun to play and well thought out would mean that they'd have to divert a ton of attention and resources from the rest of the Eve universe... you know, the parts where the majority of the game - and it's players - is based. I'm sure there are many FPS on the market that will fill your particular blood lust craving. Somehow I get the feeling that the thing that drew you to Eve in the first place wasn't it's potential as an FPS.
Merivel Mar	Posted - 2009.04.14 17:03:00 - [40] I agree that one should be able to get into a bar fight: 0.5 - 1.0 to civil no fights allowed 0.1 - 0.4 anything goes hehe. If this scenario were the case I'd love to be sitting down while Goonswarm Pilots throw chairs and bottles at Kenzoku pilots and vise versa hehe
Kale Kold Caldari Mortis Angelus The Church.	Posted - 2009.04.14 17:49:00 - [41] yeah sec status should influence what you can get away with in stations. In hisec and the carebear can have a shandy in peace but in nullsec it can kick right off! WE NEED GUNS IN STATIONS! Personal Record
Hetzzer Coresh	Posted - 2009.04.14 17:51:00 - [42] Originally by: Merivel Mar I agree that one should be able to get into a bar fight: 0.5 - 1.0 to civil no fights allowed 0.1 - 0.4 anything goes hehe. If this scenario were the case I'd love to be sitting down while Goonswarm Pilots throw chairs and bottles at Kenzoku pilots and vise versa hehe I agree, I would love to get into bar fights! WT are saying docked, you dock up and knock them senseless. And something for those awesome drunk nights: Dance hotkeys, It would be great to get a couple of my drunk friends together in a station and "party-boy" everyone
Mach Zephyrius	Posted - 2009.04.14 18:17:00 - [43] Originally by: Nathanael Alqenir Yeah some minigame would be nice, maybe not CS like, but something like operation anchorage for fallout, some kind of an historical sim, maybe revive some old battles (if there are any in eve history, I lack some background knowledge). Maybe a planetary vehicle sim of some sort . But surely, bar brawl would be fun, maybe restricted to lowsec space ? Would be pretty good if we could relive the gallente-caldari war or something similar through simulators... Sort of an unrewarded pve mission in a simulator. Either that or make use of these wormholes to go back in time and do some missions then
Nukleanis Falcon Advanced Industries	Posted - 2009.04.14 19:54:00 - [44] Edited by: Nukleanis on 14/04/2009 19:55:36 Spent fifteen minutes typing lots of ideas. But you all thought of them. Ah well. Fake violence ftw!
Kale Kold Caldari Mortis Angelus The Church.	Posted - 2009.04.14 20:26:00 - [45] Would be awesome to take a contract out on an individual to humiliate them or knock em out in station! I don't know how the killing of a target would fit in the canon of the story but why not? Just have em clone as normal? Failing that just have people knocked out that you can loot! Personal Record
lol45	Posted - 2009.04.14 22:34:00 - [46] I can smell the bar fights in Caldari pubs already.
freepenguins	Posted - 2009.04.14 22:55:00 - [47] what would be great for walking around in the station would be customizing your character more... add a tattoo to your character, or change what you'r wearing Hmm a Caldari character wearing Amarr cloth's 0_o
Crewman Jenkins	Posted - 2009.04.15 03:45:00 - [48] Edited by: Crewman Jenkins on 15/04/2009 03:45:52 I don't think turning stations into an FPS is a great idea. Maybe if its voluntary only.
Cyberman Mastermind	Posted - 2009.04.15 08:30:00 - [49] Edited by: Cyberman Mastermind on 15/04/2009 08:30:18 Originally by: Mirana Niranne Pod detects breach, scans brain and then injects a neurotoxin that instantly kills you. The scan isn't what kills you. Almost right. The neurotoxin kills you even before the scan, but the scan would fry your brain anyway, so even if you'd survive you'd wish to be dead - if you can form a coherent thought at all. Backstory On Topic: Some sort of fighting would be nice, yes. But it must not be lethal, for obvious reasons. I think if fighting were allowed, it would have to be consensual and in some sort of arena. Like something they had in an episode of BSG, a large room where anyone who drops his dog tag into a box is fair game.
Roni Dariux	Posted - 2009.04.15 10:37:00 - [50] Originally by: Hesod Adee Here's the thing: We are capsulers. Meaning we spend most of the time floating in a vat of goo. That can't be good for our health. Also inside the pods we are immortal as the pods contain enough equipment to scan our brains and transmit them into a new body, outside the pod we become mortal. However we are also the super rich of the Eve universe. Meaning we don't need to commit violence directly against people, we can hire armies for that. Actually, if you read the Empyrean Age book, you will find out that we don't have to be mortal because we are out of our pod. "The Broker" is a man who plays an important role in the book and he is able to die out of pods and still instantly be recloned at a new loacation. So death shouldn't be a problem, and if I remember correctly (lore wise) the scan of your brain can be done even after death has occured.
Calgura Gallente Sylph Alliance	Posted - 2009.04.15 10:43:00 - [51] Originally by: Fraszoid The security in a station is tighter than an airport, so no guns will be available for use to get when in the station. I see you've never done the L4 courier mission where your agent has had his gun collection stolen... Who the hell has a gun collection 2000m3 size ?!?
Slire Cicien Minmatar General Dynamics Incorporated	Posted - 2009.04.15 10:48:00 - [52] If there's guns in station there has to be explody barrels to hide behind. You know, the bright yellow/orange/red barrels with "pls shoot me" written all over them.
gnome chaos	Posted - 2009.04.15 13:23:00 - [53] Caldari get bazooka. Minmatar get UZI and rollerskates. Gallente get flechette guns. Amarr get swords.
Lax93	Posted - 2009.04.15 16:14:00 - [54] Edited by: Lax93 on 15/04/2009 16:15:36 I had the idea when the time has come and Walking in Stations has reached its point of publishing a kind of chess could be build in it as an example an amarr charackter gets a board of amarr ships zealot as tower revelation as horse (because of cyno) or anything like that OR it depends on the skills and the player can set the shipsboard together and improve it anything in this kind was my idea i would apprciate it if some kind of that could be build in it Sincerly and best regards in fight Lax93
Ferdio Ricotez Gallente A.S.M.A Knights Collective	Posted - 2009.04.15 18:52:00 - [55] Originally by: Roni Dariux the scan of your brain can be done even after death has occured. Well, yeah, the problem is the capsuleer will remember his own death if the brain scanning is done after he died. One shouldn't remember such a traumatic experience. ----- MOAR ORE
Nnamuachs Caldari Kiith Paktu Veneratio Venator Alliance	Posted - 2009.04.15 20:44:00 - [56] Originally by: Roni Dariux Actually, if you read the Empyrean Age book, you will find out that we don't have to be mortal because we are out of our pod. "The Broker" is a man who plays an important role in the book and he is able to die out of pods and still instantly be recloned at a new loacation. So death shouldn't be a problem, and if I remember correctly (lore wise) the scan of your brain can be done even after death has occured. actually, from what i remember, and i could swear i've read it in the chronicles or backstory, i just dont recall which particular one as the broker is mentioned in a few different ones. The broker actually has his consciousness split into multiple bodies simultaneously, he doesnt "clone jump" like capsuleers, he just exists in multiple clones at once. So even if one of those clones dies he continues to live on, i believe there was mention of a heavy toll this took on the psyche but i cant remember all the exact details.
Quesa Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.04.15 21:55:00 - [57] Edited by: Quesa on 15/04/2009 21:56:22 Ambulation is the one addition to the game that has a huge amount of programming and time consumption that actually adds NOTHING to the gameplay. It's purely a ploy to get more of the other fantasy mmo players to try the game. Again, it adds absolutely no in game utility.
Goor Borhn Amarr Hus Vanir	Posted - 2009.04.16 01:12:00 - [58] Personally, I don't see guns or guys walking threatening the local bar with a dynamite belt... I could use a clone to do this all day long or even better an alt char without having any consequences on my gameplay... I don't want EVE to become the new SIMS game, though it would become extremely popular, AND I don't want EVE to have "Skill skills" like walking, running, drinking beer lvl5 or Toilet aiming precision... I'd rather see my char walking around, exiting ship to go to the market with live price tickers or to an interactive meeting room discussing strategies over a region map pointing each objectives with an agent. my two cents...
Kiran Minmatar EXPLORATIS Delinquent Habits	Posted - 2009.04.16 16:41:00 - [59] CCP have stated there will be no PvP in WiS expansion. Mainly due to the nature of the game lore in that you would loose all your skill points due to no brain scans. And then you get a perma death. And they have also stated they dont wish to see 3 day old characters killing characters that have taken years to devlop as that would also break the game.
Xin Kkalta	Posted - 2009.04.17 11:39:00 - [60] Originally by: Miilla Walking in stations is stupid really and just eye candy. I would rather have interaction with planets and moons, perhaps POS bases on them. I agree, its not really anything more than eye candy, I cannot see it adding anything constructive to the game. But in regard to your comment on landing on planets and moons, does anyone remember the old "Elite" series of games from the 1980s and 90s. In particular "First Encounters" released around 1996 by David Braben. All these types of games, Eve, X, Jumpgate and whatever are based on the old Elite games, and in Final Frontier, and also the one before that too, you could land on planets, quite an achievement really considering the time it was released. CCP should definitely look into the possibilities of moon and planet landing, and I dont think it would just have to be eye candy either. Theres a host of things that could be involved in doing so, plus of course, the eye candy would be pretty great too :) Imagine flying up from the surface from a base up through the clouds and atmosphere into space, Yup, me thinks that would certainly put a lump in my pants

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