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Zaerlorth Maelkor The Maverick Navy PuPPet MasTers	Posted - 2009.04.18 11:17:00 - [31] So did Chribba DD his ass yet? ================================================== I should really get a sig.
Nigel Sheldon Caldari VIRTUAL LIFE VANGUARD Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2009.04.18 11:25:00 - [32] oh no, you have just got the fury of the great god chribba...prepare to meet your doom!
Terra Fe Gladiators of Rage Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.04.18 11:29:00 - [33] In the name of Chribba, you will not nerf veldspar.
Zaraki KenpachiSan	Posted - 2009.04.18 11:39:00 - [34] /signed too much money in a too much safe way Not considering that chribba and someone else is still mining in capital ships in high sec, THAT IS NOT FAIR, say what you want but that simply is not fair. "they have ships before the change" you say, but it's stupid, it's like saying that i should still be able to use a 8 heavy drones thorax, or a cruise stealth bomber or anything elese, just becouse i had it since before they changed it!
Laechyd Eldgorn Caldari Endemic Aggression Exalted.	Posted - 2009.04.18 11:46:00 - [35] veld is now more profitable since there's no free source of tritanium by reprocessing shuttles etc. I really see no reason why mining veld should be nerfed. I could argue about making hi sec much less safer for ages though. Reason why low sec / medium/hi end minerals aren't valuable is drone regions and hi sec missions. This is stuff which needs fixing. Not to mention "exploiting" lvl 4 missions in hi sec or deadspace areas in 0.0 is pretty safe.
Stitcher Caldari ForgeTech Industries	Posted - 2009.04.18 12:01:00 - [36] Originally by: Nubbin King People mine veldspar all over empire because it's worth more than mining anything else, and lowsec minerals scale poorly with it, especially considering the risk vs reward. Since I know CCP hates buffing things, I propose a serious veldspar nerfto make other minerals worth more ISK to mine, and maybe giving a little relief to some of those near permanently stripped belts in highsec for the actual noobs who need them. You know what a Veldspar nerf would actually consist of, right? increase the maxima and minima for the number of units that each asteroid contains by 50%, and double the yield per refinable quantity. hell, do that with every asteroid everywhere tbh. - Verin "Stitcher" Hakatain.
Karentaki Gallente Oberon Incorporated Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.04.18 12:01:00 - [37] Originally by: Abrazzar Veldspar does not need to get nefed, it needs to get boosted. More Tritanium from veldspar means more Tritanium in general, more supply of Tritanium means lower price, lower price on Tritanium means other minerals rise in relation. What you have said is true, but this does not address the issue at hand. By increasing the yield of trit and lowering the price of trit, these effects cancel out leaving you with veldspar still being the most valuable ore to mine. As other posters have said - in order to get people to mine in lowsec and 0.0, mission loot refining must be nerfed such that the vast majority of high-end minerals in highsec come from mining rather than from refining loot. As long as you can get zydrine faster from running L4 missions than you can mining in a hulk in lowsec, the mineral markets will be broken. Quote: EVE is like a sandbox with landmines. Deal with it.
TheLordofAllandNothing	Posted - 2009.04.18 12:02:00 - [38] Originally by: Zaraki KenpachiSan /signed too much money in a too much safe way Not considering that chribba and someone else is still mining in capital ships in high sec, THAT IS NOT FAIR, say what you want but that simply is not fair. "they have ships before the change" you say, but it's stupid, it's like saying that i should still be able to use a 8 heavy drones thorax, or a cruise stealth bomber or anything elese, just becouse i had it since before they changed it! Translation: WAHWAHWAHWAHWAHWAHWAHWAHWAHWAHWAHWAHWAHWAHWAHWAHWAHWAHWAHWAHWAHWAHWAHWAH
Zaraki KenpachiSan	Posted - 2009.04.18 12:28:00 - [39] Edited by: Zaraki KenpachiSan on 18/04/2009 12:28:41 Originally by: TheLordofAllandNothing Originally by: Zaraki KenpachiSan /signed too much money in a too much safe way Not considering that chribba and someone else is still mining in capital ships in high sec, THAT IS NOT FAIR, say what you want but that simply is not fair. "they have ships before the change" you say, but it's stupid, it's like saying that i should still be able to use a 8 heavy drones thorax, or a cruise stealth bomber or anything elese, just becouse i had it since before they changed it! Translation: WAHWAHWAHWAHWAHWAHWAHWAHWAHWAHWAHWAHWAHWAHWAHWAHWAHWAHWAHWAHWAHWAHWAHWAH Instead of only proving how idiot you are, try to explain why in your opinion i am wrong. Translation: you know i'm right, but you can't do anything, except trying to troll.
Hevymetal Caldari POT Corp	Posted - 2009.04.18 12:45:00 - [40] Originally by: Chribba You didn't!! /me grabs a pitchfork and hands Chribba a lit torch "Me thinks we ought to go and BURN THE WITCH!!" BANG!! BANG!! BANG!! STOP OR I'LL SHOOT!!!

Darzul Mithkar Minmatar Native Freshfood	Posted - 2009.04.18 12:46:00 - [41] Edited by: Darzul Mithkar on 18/04/2009 12:47:16 Maybe the reason that Veldspar is going for such a good price is that it is a Supply and Demand issue. Lots of Demand, not enough Supply. Us noob Miners aren't doing our jobs efficiently enough...if we were there would be a glut of Trit on market and you guys would complaining about the price of some other mineral.... OR Reduce the Trit requirements for ships, start lower the Trit needed to manufacture Capitol /ships and work their way down the list. ________________________________________________________________________________ Still playing the greatest Sci-Fi MMOG (since before Exodus), but with a new start and no regrets.
Seishi Maru M. Corp Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2009.04.18 12:49:00 - [42] Nope.. what CCP needs is to introduce HIGH QUALITY veldspar in 0.0. Super ultra duper bumped valdspar with 2 times the yield of common veldspar. That will rebalance the minerals.. lower tri price and raise the high end minerals prices..
Darzul Mithkar Minmatar Native Freshfood	Posted - 2009.04.18 12:51:00 - [43] Originally by: Seishi Maru Nope.. what CCP needs is to introduce HIGH QUALITY veldspar in 0.0. Super ultra duper bumped valdspar with 2 times the yield of common veldspar. That will rebalance the minerals.. lower tri price and raise the high end minerals prices.. I like your Idea Seishi, I say they should do, I would never mine it being a Empire Hugger, but the Risk vs. Reward equation would be more what it should be. ________________________________________________________________________________ Still playing the greatest Sci-Fi MMOG (since before Exodus), but with a new start and no regrets.
Shatner19	Posted - 2009.04.18 13:27:00 - [44] Originally by: Zaraki KenpachiSan Edited by: Zaraki KenpachiSan on 18/04/2009 12:28:41 Originally by: TheLordofAllandNothing Originally by: Zaraki KenpachiSan /signed too much money in a too much safe way Not considering that chribba and someone else is still mining in capital ships in high sec, THAT IS NOT FAIR, say what you want but that simply is not fair. "they have ships before the change" you say, but it's stupid, it's like saying that i should still be able to use a 8 heavy drones thorax, or a cruise stealth bomber or anything elese, just becouse i had it since before they changed it! Translation: WAHWAHWAHWAHWAHWAHWAHWAHWAHWAHWAHWAHWAHWAHWAHWAHWAHWAHWAHWAHWAHWAHWAHWAH Instead of only proving how idiot you are, try to explain why in your opinion i am wrong. Translation: you know i'm right, but you can't do anything, except trying to troll. what does having a capital ship in high sec have anything to do with mining veldspar. chribba's dread has three turret slots, which can only use tech2/Deep core miners. or how about a carrier using 15 or so mining drones? have you done your math at all? a 4 month old hulk pilot with average skills can outmine both ships. so im not seeing your argument on why having a highsec capital is any sort of advantage on the trit market.
Lag Hon Minmatar Lag Hon Security	Posted - 2009.04.18 13:56:00 - [45] Ok maybe I havent had enuff coffees or something but wouldnt nerfing Veld increase its value even more. If it yeilds less trit then there would be less trit available which would mean ppl needed more veld to get the same amount of trit and thus increase its value. I think leave well alone and let the ones willing to spend mind numbing hours mining make some isk. Quote: There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against that power governments, and tyrants, and armies can not stand. G'Kar
ovenproofjet Caldari Swords of Clarity Arkai Confederation	Posted - 2009.04.18 14:35:00 - [46] Originally by: Chribba You didn't!! Well said Chribba
ovenproofjet Caldari Swords of Clarity Arkai Confederation	Posted - 2009.04.18 14:36:00 - [47] Edited by: ovenproofjet on 18/04/2009 14:37:23 Double post, sorry.
Zaraki KenpachiSan	Posted - 2009.04.18 15:02:00 - [48] Edited by: Zaraki KenpachiSan on 18/04/2009 15:02:28 nvm, i'm tired of you
Zex Maxwell Caldari	Posted - 2009.04.18 15:07:00 - [49] take it up with the CSM. CCP will not think about it, unless the CSM says so. ---
Infinity111 Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2009.04.18 15:13:00 - [50] Originally by: Nubbin King People mine veldspar all over empire because it's worth more than mining anything else, and lowsec minerals scale poorly with it, especially considering the risk vs reward. Since I know CCP hates buffing things, I propose a serious veldspar nerfto make other minerals worth more ISK to mine, and maybe giving a little relief to some of those near permanently stripped belts in highsec for the actual noobs who need them. suck my balls

Junko Togawa	Posted - 2009.04.18 15:14:00 - [51] Originally by: Zaraki KenpachiSan ...THAT IS NOT FAIR... Do what Chribba has done for the EvE community and maybe your whine will be aged and valuable. As it is, it's currently the cheap sort enjoyed with Onion Soup by one Fred Sanford. Originally by: Dreximus Originally by: Alowishus These things make the game more exciting overall for people who enjoy risk and the ability to take responsibility for their own safety. At the risk of being cliche, th
Ruze Ahkor'Murkon Amarr No Applicable Corporation	Posted - 2009.04.18 15:25:00 - [52] Originally by: Zex Maxwell take it up with the CSM. CCP will not think about it, unless the CSM says so. Hahahahah ... Now where, oh where, did you get THAT idear? Originally by: 5pinDizzy Troll Score-o-Meter --------Failure----------\|\|\|-----------Succes------- 10-9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1--0--1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10
Ferdio Ricotez Gallente A.S.M.A Knights Collective	Posted - 2009.04.18 15:43:00 - [53] Edited by: Ferdio Ricotez on 18/04/2009 15:43:34 Edited by: Ferdio Ricotez on 18/04/2009 15:43:11 It's all in the law of the free market. Veldspar is used in just about anything, and often in great quantities, driving demand and thus price far up. That means everyone will mine it. Actually, since so much Veldspar is mined, demand and thus the price should drop; however, because so much Veldspar is in demand, miners can never pass the point at which demand would decrease; even worse, it only increases over time. So indeed, Veldspar shouldn't be nerfed but boosted instead. And even then, Scordite sells for almost as much, it's a good secondary hisec ore to mine.
Teamosil Minmatar Good Time Family Band Solution	Posted - 2009.04.18 17:05:00 - [54] Originally by: Ferdio RicotezIt's all in the law of the free market... So indeed, Veldspar shouldn't be nerfed but boosted instead.[/quote You can't fix the equation by tweaking veldspar supply because if you just make it easier to mine more veldspar or increase the tritanium yeild of veldspar, you're right that would drive the price of tritanium down, but not the profitability of mining it. The root problem here isn't that tritanium is too expensive, it is that mining veldspar is more profitable than mining any low sec ore. The only way to fix the equation is to tweak the demand side by editing blueprints to require more of the rare minerals. If level 1 missions were more rewarding than harder missions nobody would argue that CCP needs to tweak things. It's the same with high sec mining being more rewarding than low sec. Reward needs to scale with risk. Even if low sec mining were twice as profitable it still would probably not have as good of a risk/reward ratio as high sec mining, but at least people interested in a more exciting way to mine would have an option... That doesn't neccesarily mean tritanium demand needs to be decreased, but demand for rarer ores needs to be increased.
Abrazzar	Posted - 2009.04.18 17:10:00 - [55] Turn all minerals you get from module reprocessing into Tritanium. -------- Ideas for: Mining
Ruze Ahkor'Murkon Amarr No Applicable Corporation	Posted - 2009.04.18 17:11:00 - [56] Originally by: Abrazzar Turn all minerals you get from module reprocessing into Tritanium. Winnar! Originally by: 5pinDizzy Troll Score-o-Meter --------Failure----------\|\|\|-----------Succes------- 10-9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1--0--1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10
Furb Killer Gallente	Posted - 2009.04.18 17:15:00 - [57] This would only increase the price of veldspar (less tritanium supply, higher prices, lower prices for high end minerals). Nerf loot drops, especially t1 drops, boost tritanium ammount in all ores. --------------------------------------------- Originally by: Neth'Rae Military experts are calling this a troll.
Nubbin King Noob Mercs	Posted - 2009.04.18 17:44:00 - [58] Originally by: Abrazzar Turn all minerals you get from module reprocessing into Tritanium. Or limit it to trit, mex, and pyr... I would be agreeable to that. Would mean you could get the same highsec ore from missioning as you could from highsec mining. ----- I am The Nubbin King, should I defeat you: BOW DOWN!
Ruze Ahkor'Murkon Amarr No Applicable Corporation	Posted - 2009.04.18 17:53:00 - [59] Originally by: Nubbin King Originally by: Abrazzar Turn all minerals you get from module reprocessing into Tritanium. Or limit it to trit, mex, and pyr... I would be agreeable to that. Would mean you could get the same highsec ore from missioning as you could from highsec mining. Nice. You could adjust it, as well, so that the loot gained from losec missions would be of the type and variety that can be reprocessed into mid-range ores. Essentially, if your playing in hisec (mining, ratting, missioning) your still going to get hisec minerals. If your playing in losec, your going to get losec ores. That way, the different regions have some NEED again. I like this idea a lot. Originally by: 5pinDizzy Troll Score-o-Meter --------Failure----------\|\|\|-----------Succes------- 10-9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1--0--1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10
Teamosil Minmatar Good Time Family Band Solution	Posted - 2009.04.18 18:01:00 - [60] Originally by: Abrazzar Turn all minerals you get from module reprocessing into Tritanium. That'd work. I like.



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