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hodge666 Amarr Black Hawk Industries	Posted - 2009.04.18 02:17:00 - [1] Im a stealth bomber pilot who is adiccted to that 1 shoot kill on frigates i spent the last 2 weeks training to get the cruiser missles to there max dps then the patch comes out and i cant express how much stealth bombers well........... SUCK! no more 1 hit kills on frigates and industrials and unless your in a lrg group to take down a b/s ill say there pretty usless there also. the best thing CCP could have dont was at least keep cruiser missiles and bounuse also so the pilot had a choice between lrg or small targets.
De Guantanamo	Posted - 2009.04.18 02:19:00 - [2] Originally by: hodge666 Im a stealth bomber pilot who is adiccted to that 1 shoot kill on frigates i spent the last 2 weeks training to get the cruiser missles to there max dps then the patch comes out and i cant express how much stealth bombers well........... SUCK! no more 1 hit kills on frigates and industrials and unless your in a lrg group to take down a b/s ill say there pretty usless there also. the best thing CCP could have dont was at least keep cruiser missiles and bounuse also so the pilot had a choice between lrg or small targets. Bolded = your fault. Stealth bomber change announcement came back at least 2 weeks ago.
Traderboz	Posted - 2009.04.18 02:21:00 - [3] 2/10. Predictable troll post, no creativity.
AstroPhobic Minmatar	Posted - 2009.04.18 02:22:00 - [4] Originally by: hodge666 Im a stealth bomber pilot who is adiccted to that 1 shoot kill on frigates i spent the last 2 weeks training to get the cruiser missles to there max dps then the patch comes out and i cant express how much stealth bombers well........... SUCK! no more 1 hit kills on frigates and industrials and unless your in a lrg group to take down a b/s ill say there pretty usless there also. the best thing CCP could have dont was at least keep cruiser missiles and bounuse also so the pilot had a choice between lrg or small targets. tldr; QQ over training skills for an change that was announced long ago. SBs are going to be useful now, just like AFs are now useful.
Lindsay Logan	Posted - 2009.04.18 02:26:00 - [5] Originally by: hodge666 Im a stealth bomber pilot who is adiccted to that 1 shoot kill on frigates i spent the last 2 weeks training to get the cruiser missles to there max dps then the patch comes out and i cant express how much stealth bombers well........... SUCK! no more 1 hit kills on frigates and industrials and unless your in a lrg group to take down a b/s ill say there pretty usless there also. the best thing CCP could have dont was at least keep cruiser missiles and bounuse also so the pilot had a choice between lrg or small targets. Stop trolling, its neither wanted, nor do it make any sense.
Morikai Acler Caldari Demon Theory Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.04.18 02:28:00 - [6] My counter to this topic is....... Manticore + Covert ops cloak + 3x tech2 seige + Javelin/Faction Torps + Passive Targeter + 2x target painters = Surprise BOOM!!.
Lindsay Logan	Posted - 2009.04.18 02:31:00 - [7] Originally by: Morikai Acler My counter to this topic is....... Manticore + Covert ops cloak + 3x tech2 seige + Javelin/Faction Torps + Passive Targeter + 2x target painters = Surprise BOOM!!. This man got it :) Tho usefulness of passive targets is questionable, as soon as you fire, you light up red anyways. MWD + 2 TP + EWAR mod makes a decent mid slot config.
Meatball Enema	Posted - 2009.04.18 03:17:00 - [8] I like potatos.
Jade TX	Posted - 2009.04.18 04:31:00 - [9] Your not a stealth bomber pilot... you are a noob who can't adapt to change. Your trolling is funny. SB's are Anti-BS not anti frigate. You want to kill frigates. Use a AF or a Ceptor. What you can do is train for torps and drop bombs at the same time now on ratting BS's that have a rat tank and pop BS's with a fleet. Or quit eve. We don't like whiners, makes you look like a child and spams our forums with useless info that wastes peoples time. Originally by: hodge666 Im a stealth bomber pilot who is adiccted to that 1 shoot kill on frigates i spent the last 2 weeks training to get the cruiser missles to there max dps then the patch comes out and i cant express how much stealth bombers well........... SUCK! no more 1 hit kills on frigates and industrials and unless your in a lrg group to take down a b/s ill say there pretty usless there also. the best thing CCP could have dont was at least keep cruiser missiles and bounuse also so the pilot had a choice between lrg or small targets.
Shereza	Posted - 2009.04.18 04:34:00 - [10] Originally by: hodge666 Im a stealth bomber pilot who is adiccted to that 1 shoot kill on frigates i spent the last 2 weeks training to get the cruiser missles to there max dps then the patch comes out and i cant express how much stealth bombers well........... SUCK! no more 1 hit kills on frigates and industrials and unless your in a lrg group to take down a b/s ill say there pretty usless there also. the best thing CCP could have dont was at least keep cruiser missiles and bounuse also so the pilot had a choice between lrg or small targets. Guess what, you'll still use stealth bombers. Do you know how I know that? Caps lock sucks 10x worse than stealth bombers and you use it. ____________________ Minmatar in Fantasy or Duct Tape Goes Medieval.
Freya Zilo	Posted - 2009.04.18 05:47:00 - [11] Everyone has a right to thier own opinion. My opinion is that stealth bombers now suck, why would you want to hit and run a battleship in a glass tank stealth bomber when you can use a variety of other ships to fight and destroy battleships without the risk of being popped by drones etc within seconds. New role for stealth bombers? meh its just another nerf to protect the carebears and can flippers from surprise attacks. The torps wont hit anything that faster than a dead duck. If i want to fight battleships i will use a battleship, battlecruiser or hac to take them on. Another win for the carebears. whats will be the next nerf ccp?
Xapharia WOLIMAZO INC	Posted - 2009.04.18 05:58:00 - [12] One word: Adapt Stealth Bombers have now become USEFUL. They're not supposed to tank other ships... They are supposed to uncloak, unload a volley and recloak, move to a new location and repeat. Did you just sit still in your SB before the patch and shoot cruise missiles all over the place without ever cloaking up? Even light drones takes a bit of time to get at you (plus they don't chase after you the moment you unload your torps). There's quite some time since you could reliably 1-shot frigs in a bomber anyways, and bombers were never designed as anti-frigate ships, we have AFs and Ceptors for that if you want to use a frig for it. _________________________ Originally by: CCP Whisper Boo hoo. Cry some more.
Freya Zilo	Posted - 2009.04.18 06:03:00 - [13] never designed as anti frigate ships? what are you talking about. i guess you never read the ship description before the patch. Stealth bombers had unique missile subroutines that makes it easier to hit small targets. Adapt? if it aint broke dont fix it, there was nothing wrong with them before the patch/nerf. There are plenty other ships that can tackle battleships why add another.
Shereza	Posted - 2009.04.18 06:36:00 - [14] Originally by: Freya Zilo never designed as anti frigate ships? what are you talking about. i guess you never read the ship description before the patch. Stealth bombers had unique missile subroutines that makes it easier to hit small targets. You neglected to point out that the description doesn't specify smaller than what. The inference should have been "smaller than the normal targets of cruise missiles." I might be mistaken here but I'm fairly sure that the normal targets of cruise missiles are battleships which in turn means that the "resulting in a decreased factor of signature radius and making the missile more effective against smaller targets" aspect of the description would have been refering to battlecruisers and smaller for standard ammo. Not to be too blunt but for your quasi-quoting of the description you failed to quote anything that clearly stated: I kill frigates, It's what I do, I blow'em up, Pew pew pew. If you can find some post made by a CCP employee or something in the notes for one patch or another that stated as a fact that stealth bombers were intended to blow up frigates then that's perfectly fine, but trying to draw a line between "smaller targets" with a weapon system meant for battleships and frigates doesn't work. ____________________ Minmatar in Fantasy or Duct Tape Goes Medieval.
hodge666 Amarr Black Hawk Industries	Posted - 2009.04.18 08:50:00 - [15] dont get me wrong im sure there going to be good and im loving the facted it can warp cloaked but lets face it it only going to work in fleet ops. if u try take on a b/s . b/c solo when u recloak there just going to lough and warp off were as with the old set up u can go into any low sec solo sit in a belt and wait for your target and more then likly kill your target b4 he knows there is some 1 even there. stealth bomber pilots have to agree that getting a 1 shot kill on some little assult ship pilot is both extremly satifying and very very funny.
Zaraki KenpachiSan	Posted - 2009.04.18 09:35:00 - [16] Edited by: Zaraki KenpachiSan on 18/04/2009 09:37:26 edit: added ps Omg, these guys are so boring....... You can't 1 hit kill frigates anymore? LOL, just lol. Was this your ambition in eve? Well, another lol. If you want to play solo you should try some single player game. Stealth bombers are way more dangerous now than even before: they can add significant damage to any gang, and you will not know they are there until you see them. This is a major boost to stealth bombers, you are simply too much close minded to see it. PS if you want to one hit kill frigate.... skill for a mothership and sit on a lowsec gate afk smarbombing.... people like you have a lot of fun.
hodge666 Amarr Black Hawk Industries	Posted - 2009.04.18 10:34:00 - [17] some players dont find the need to fight in gangs only newbis need back up.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.04.18 10:51:00 - [18] Originally by: Traderboz 2/10. Predictable troll post, no creativity.
Tyrehl Amarr	Posted - 2009.04.18 10:58:00 - [19] Edited by: Tyrehl on 18/04/2009 10:59:26 Edited by: Tyrehl on 18/04/2009 10:58:22 thats NOT a f***n solo game, using stealth bombers only for one-shooting ratting frigates is LAME. My mom can do better than that, im sure. Now the ship has a proper role, its not a useless solo ship for noobs that can only kill their "victims" before they see the SB. Is it hard or challenging? If this is all the pvp u can do in Eve, im reeeally sorry for you. And btw, torps do reduced damage to smaller targets, but that damage is more than ENOUGH to harm these. Adapt, its like evollution, the world changes, so do you (or die like a damn noob).
Tippia Raddick Explorations BlackWater.	Posted - 2009.04.18 10:58:00 - [20] Originally by: hodge666 some players dont find the need to fight in gangs only newbis need back up. So get some backup, newbie. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Khanaver	Posted - 2009.04.18 11:05:00 - [21] Am not going to say it good or bad what they've done in this patch, they completel;y screwed the falcon but thats another topic. The changes they implemented weren't nerfs, as nerfing it would be keeping cruises and removing the bonuses, but they refocused it and in fairness it was never designed to 1 shot kill things. That was a benefit of clever fitting and skills. But before it wasn't a stealth bomber as it wasn't truely stealthy, it's role didn't fit the bill. But the new changes give it a clean slate, new setups, new tactics and new kills, considering eve is a PVP game and when they give you a torpedo wielding frigate that can enter a system and move around cloaked and pick it's targets, make an attack run and fire some extremely boosted torpedoes and bombs what do some people do? Cling to the past, rather than adapting and giving it a chance in the role it could be great in. As a small gang of these doing hit and run attacks would be good i personally believe. Now as you can tell my opinion is it's a good change for eve, not necessarily the best change but better than what they could've done. It's breaths new life in the torps as well, a severely underused weapon since they shafted those and stop the stealth bomber from just being a longe range cruise missile platform. Now if you want to flame me for what I've said feel free, but just give the new roles a chance, fit a ship, get a gang and see what happens. Regards Khan
Kowaii Rabbit o1nk	Posted - 2009.04.18 11:07:00 - [22] Originally by: Xapharia One word: Adapt Funny how that one word tends to get used a lot after nerfs/changes. Shame the same advice gets ignored when you need to adapt to perceived weaknesses before changes take place. Originally by: Xapharia Stealth Bombers have now become USEFUL. They're not supposed to tank other ships... They are supposed to uncloak, unload a volley and recloak, move to a new location and repeat. Oh? You never killed anything in a SB before they became torpedo lobbers? What's the recloaking time on a stealth bomber these days? Originally by: Xapharia bombers were never designed as anti-frigate ships, we have AFs and Ceptors for that if you want to use a frig for it. I want some of the juice you're on. Given the previous description and bonuses on the SB, that's EXACTLY what they were designed to do. http://www.ezy-english.com/
Constantine Arcanum IMPERIAL SENATE	Posted - 2009.04.18 11:18:00 - [23] Crap troll, but a successful one at that. 5/10
Blev Oblix Gallente Rock Jocks	Posted - 2009.04.18 11:38:00 - [24] Oh dear, it would really help if the people who comment on these threads actually knew what they were talking about. Quote: They are supposed to uncloak, unload a volley and recloak If you did this you wouldn't hit anything. Quote: I might be mistaken here but I'm fairly sure that the normal targets of cruise missiles are battleships which in turn means that the "resulting in a decreased factor of signature radius and making the missile more effective against smaller targets" aspect of the description would have been refering to battlecruisers and smaller for standard ammo. Given that part of the old spec for a SB was Quote: Frigate Skill Bonus: <snip> and -16.66% reduction in Explosion Radius of Cruise Missiles per level Assuming cruise missiles are anti-BS then the old SB ideal target was 1/6 the size of a BS. Therefore SBs were not intended as BS killers. If I recall from when cruise missiles were nerfed, the focus of SB targeting was moved from frigates to cruisers. So, yes, SBs came on to the market as one shot frig killers. What's the recloaking time on a stealth bomber these days when you are being targeted?
Conroy Peckerwood Amarr	Posted - 2009.04.18 12:53:00 - [25] Edited by: Conroy Peckerwood on 18/04/2009 12:57:09 Originally by: Shereza Not to be too blunt but for your quasi-quoting of the description you failed to quote anything that clearly stated: I kill frigates, It's what I do, I blow'em up, Pew pew pew. [/quote Nice bit of poetry there Oh and the only problem I have with the new bomber stats is the cargo bay size.
Meazy San	Posted - 2009.04.18 13:12:00 - [26] Stealth-bomber where NEVER made to kill frigs. If you needed a stealth bomber to pop frigs then you suck at PvP. If you really think that they were made to kill frigs then you obviously lack common sense. As if CCP never made mistakes in there descriptions anyways.
Ky Vatta Majority 12	Posted - 2009.04.18 13:24:00 - [27] Where are the FoF Torpedoes??????? --- Self-confessed Carebear, and proud of it
Hirana Yoshida Behavioral Affront	Posted - 2009.04.18 13:40:00 - [28] The one volley kill has not been possible since cruise missiles were brought in-line with the other weapon systems in the QR patch (and no afk ships don't count as they can be killed in a noob ship just as easily). The bomber can now do as much damage as a gank battlecruiser against BC/BS and webbed/painted cruisers. This damage is from range as well, saying they suck shows that you have either not been paying attention or that you have not actually flown the new ones yet. The cruise/siege combo was proposed during testing, but after range bonuses were added it became pretty much a non-issue. Cruise bombers needed to be in 30km range anyway to make the missiles hit if cloaking immediately after launch so no real change. PS: Haulers are fat and slow. Torpedo bombers will rip them to shreds FASTER than the cruise version.
Blev Oblix Gallente Rock Jocks	Posted - 2009.04.18 14:44:00 - [29] Quote: Stealth-bomber where NEVER made to kill frigs. Errr, wrong. If you had said that they were never made to kill only frigs, I would agree with you. In the good ole days, solo SBs could kill frigs, dessies and mebbe cruisers. Small bands of SBs could sort out cruisers, BCs and BSs and the fancy stuff inbetween. But then they nerfed cruise missiles. And now they've changed the very nature of the SB where (if most of the pro-change posters are to be believed) it's only uses are in relatively large gangs (10 to 20 ships) with various assorted covops support vessels to take out solo afk BSs - afk because they have to stay still while being torped, afk because they aren't preventing cloaks by targeting the SBs, afk because they aren't setting drones, afk because they aren't watching local - or having a go at POSs. Now the defense of a SB is it's range from the target. This allows it to align and warp off if threatened. The downside is that it has to stay on station uncloaked until it's missiles properly lock on to the target. The ability to stand off was down to skills + equipment - my hound cost me 128.35 mill isk (at todays prices in Essence) for 160+ km range. When talking about taking on a BS with torps, I see no reason to change the theory about range = defense and that means extra costs over and above a basic fitting altho not as much as for a cruise missile SB. But if your gang is losing 1 or 2 SB for every BS taken, I don't think this technique is going to last very long. On the other hand, a mining op might be a very tempting target but do you need a bunch of specialist ships to sort that out? The second function of having a go at a POS sounds more likely but I know nothing of buzzing around in frig sized ships in and out of guns designed to take out BSs and larger. And I would suspect that, if it's possible, it would need less extravagantly equipped ships and less extravagantly skilled pilots - that means cheaper ships and more pilots which means bigger fleets. If some of the larger alliances can set 100+ dreads on to a POS, how many SBs and pilots will they collect (at mebbe 50 mill a go) for the same job? If it works, I suspect you might see the POS becoming an endangered species. Now how long will that be allowed to last? And yes I do suck at PvP - that's because I'm a miner/industrialist who contributed CovOps work in support of alliance/corps aims. And with that background, I moved into SBs to help out with the offensive stuff when my industrialist corps kept getting wardec'd by knobhead PvP corps who couldn't think of any better way to get their jollies than trying to railroad those who couldn't oppose them. See, there's another clue in there :- you mention PvP as if it's a badge of honour, there's a whole universe out there who see "I do PvP" and translate it to "Knobhead who knows nothing about the spread or depth of the game".
Tyrenical Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2009.04.18 18:43:00 - [30] Originally by: Shereza I kill frigates, It's what I do, I blow'em up, Pew pew pew. Groovy man, totally far out snaps fingers

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