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Aronis Contar	Posted - 2004.09.05 03:37:00 - [31] Quote: Stop 0xC2 or BAD_POOL_CALLER - The Stop 0xC2 message indicates that a kernel-mode process or driver incorrectly attempted to perform memory operations in the following ways: By allocating a memory pool size of zero bytes. By allocating a memory pool that does not exist. By attempting to free a memory pool that is already free. By allocating or freeing a memory pool at an IRQL that was too high. This Stop message is typically due to a faulty driver or software. If EVE would do any of those things, you would just get a "this program has performed an illegal operation and needs to be closed blablabla" message box. It has to be a driver or a part of windows that does something nasty so that you get a bluescreen. If you disable your "Automatic Reboot", does it maybe list the program that caused the bugcheck somewhere on the blue screen? Somewhere in the middle, most likely some .sys or .dll? Ciao, Aronis!
Aronis Contar	Posted - 2004.09.05 03:37:00 - [32] Quote: Stop 0xC2 or BAD_POOL_CALLER - The Stop 0xC2 message indicates that a kernel-mode process or driver incorrectly attempted to perform memory operations in the following ways: By allocating a memory pool size of zero bytes. By allocating a memory pool that does not exist. By attempting to free a memory pool that is already free. By allocating or freeing a memory pool at an IRQL that was too high. This Stop message is typically due to a faulty driver or software. If EVE would do any of those things, you would just get a "this program has performed an illegal operation and needs to be closed blablabla" message box. It has to be a driver or a part of windows that does something nasty so that you get a bluescreen. If you disable your "Automatic Reboot", does it maybe list the program that caused the bugcheck somewhere on the blue screen? Somewhere in the middle, most likely some .sys or .dll? Ciao, Aronis!
Delc	Posted - 2004.09.05 09:33:00 - [33] Edited by: Delc on 05/09/2004 10:34:48 Originally by: Aronis Contar If EVE would do any of those things, you would just get a "this program has performed an illegal operation and needs to be closed blablabla" message box. It has to be a driver or a part of windows that does something nasty so that you get a bluescreen. If you disable your "Automatic Reboot", does it maybe list the program that caused the bugcheck somewhere on the blue screen? Somewhere in the middle, most likely some .sys or .dll? Ciao, Aronis! Yea I have debugged my memory.dmp file with the debugging tools Mircrosoft provides. And following this simple guide you can understand the tool. My findings is that the trinity.dll tries and free upp memory as the same time as ctoss2k.sys thus making the system unstable and reboot. What is trinity.dll? Check your eve/bin-catalog. What is ctoss2k.sys? It's a driver used by the soundcard. In this case a SB Audigy 2. Question still remains why this occurs in Windows XP Service Pack 2. I will try and get hold of whql drivers for my soundcard and test that out. N.A.G.A Corp \| NAGAmazon
Delc	Posted - 2004.09.05 09:33:00 - [34] Edited by: Delc on 05/09/2004 10:34:48 Originally by: Aronis Contar If EVE would do any of those things, you would just get a "this program has performed an illegal operation and needs to be closed blablabla" message box. It has to be a driver or a part of windows that does something nasty so that you get a bluescreen. If you disable your "Automatic Reboot", does it maybe list the program that caused the bugcheck somewhere on the blue screen? Somewhere in the middle, most likely some .sys or .dll? Ciao, Aronis! Yea I have debugged my memory.dmp file with the debugging tools Mircrosoft provides. And following this simple guide you can understand the tool. My findings is that the trinity.dll tries and free upp memory as the same time as ctoss2k.sys thus making the system unstable and reboot. What is trinity.dll? Check your eve/bin-catalog. What is ctoss2k.sys? It's a driver used by the soundcard. In this case a SB Audigy 2. Question still remains why this occurs in Windows XP Service Pack 2. I will try and get hold of whql drivers for my soundcard and test that out. N.A.G.A Corp \| NAGAmazon
Aronis Contar	Posted - 2004.09.05 15:00:00 - [35] Edited by: Aronis Contar on 05/09/2004 15:05:44 Edited by: Aronis Contar on 05/09/2004 15:03:31 Creative are not exactly known for their fantastic drivers Good luck, though. Did you try turning the hardware acceleration way down in your "Sounds and Audio Devices"? Or maybe try setting "audio=0" in your prefs.ini. Ciao, Aronis! PS: I have a normal SB Audigy, and I'm using WHQL certified drivers version 5.12.1.383 from the 4.11.2003. I can run three clients at once without problems, in SP 2.
Aronis Contar	Posted - 2004.09.05 15:00:00 - [36] Edited by: Aronis Contar on 05/09/2004 15:05:44 Edited by: Aronis Contar on 05/09/2004 15:03:31 Creative are not exactly known for their fantastic drivers Good luck, though. Did you try turning the hardware acceleration way down in your "Sounds and Audio Devices"? Or maybe try setting "audio=0" in your prefs.ini. Ciao, Aronis! PS: I have a normal SB Audigy, and I'm using WHQL certified drivers version 5.12.1.383 from the 4.11.2003. I can run three clients at once without problems, in SP 2.
Delc	Posted - 2004.09.05 21:05:00 - [37] Originally by: Aronis Contar PS: I have a normal SB Audigy, and I'm using WHQL certified drivers version 5.12.1.383 from the 4.11.2003. I can run three clients at once without problems, in SP 2. Yea I am running them as well now . Hopefully they will do the trick. Thinking of getting myself a TerraTec-card if it doesn't, Creative has been to passive with their drivers to long now. N.A.G.A Corp \| NAGAmazon
Delc	Posted - 2004.09.05 21:05:00 - [38] Originally by: Aronis Contar PS: I have a normal SB Audigy, and I'm using WHQL certified drivers version 5.12.1.383 from the 4.11.2003. I can run three clients at once without problems, in SP 2. Yea I am running them as well now . Hopefully they will do the trick. Thinking of getting myself a TerraTec-card if it doesn't, Creative has been to passive with their drivers to long now. N.A.G.A Corp \| NAGAmazon
Par'Gellen	Posted - 2004.09.06 01:46:00 - [39] Edited by: Par'Gellen on 06/09/2004 01:48:02 I had this exact same problem on my new PC. Motherboard: Asus P4C800-E Deluxe Processor: Intel P4 2.8GHz 1MB L2 cache (yeah the new one that runs rather hot) Memory: 2GB Kingston PC3200 Dual-Channel HDD: 2 74GB 10k RPM Western Digital SATA in RAID 0 config Sound: Sound Blaster Audigy Video: eVGA GeForce 6800 Ultra 256MB I got this exact BSOD when running multiple clients. Running multiple clients on my other PC after XP SP2 has been working fine. I wonder if it has something to do with hyperthreading. I was going to try to turn it off in BIOS but the motherboard took a dive and I had to send it back RMA. As soon as I get the replacement I'll give it a try. --------------------------------- "Guardian Of The Cheese"
Par'Gellen	Posted - 2004.09.06 01:46:00 - [40] Edited by: Par'Gellen on 06/09/2004 01:48:02 I had this exact same problem on my new PC. Motherboard: Asus P4C800-E Deluxe Processor: Intel P4 2.8GHz 1MB L2 cache (yeah the new one that runs rather hot) Memory: 2GB Kingston PC3200 Dual-Channel HDD: 2 74GB 10k RPM Western Digital SATA in RAID 0 config Sound: Sound Blaster Audigy Video: eVGA GeForce 6800 Ultra 256MB I got this exact BSOD when running multiple clients. Running multiple clients on my other PC after XP SP2 has been working fine. I wonder if it has something to do with hyperthreading. I was going to try to turn it off in BIOS but the motherboard took a dive and I had to send it back RMA. As soon as I get the replacement I'll give it a try. --------------------------------- "Guardian Of The Cheese"
Slardibardfast	Posted - 2004.09.06 11:03:00 - [41] Edited by: Slardibardfast on 06/09/2004 11:07:28 I will take a stab in the dark & say that the hyperthreading is playing havoc with the soundblaster drivers. Hyperthreading is a good thing to keep on if you can. I would suggest changing the drivers or getting a better soundcard (better in the sence of one that works properly) I used to run a dual CPU AMD MP2000 system with a SB soundcard. Whenever I tried to use it to play sound it would BSOD on me at some point. In the end I fitted a cheap PCI soundcard that was NOT a Creative and all the problems went away. Creative have always stated to the users of dual CPU systems that there drivers run in single CPU only systems. The problem is that hyperthreading makes it seem like there are 2 CPU's in a system. Seems like the drivers are still causing issues with them.
Slardibardfast	Posted - 2004.09.06 11:03:00 - [42] Edited by: Slardibardfast on 06/09/2004 11:07:28 I will take a stab in the dark & say that the hyperthreading is playing havoc with the soundblaster drivers. Hyperthreading is a good thing to keep on if you can. I would suggest changing the drivers or getting a better soundcard (better in the sence of one that works properly) I used to run a dual CPU AMD MP2000 system with a SB soundcard. Whenever I tried to use it to play sound it would BSOD on me at some point. In the end I fitted a cheap PCI soundcard that was NOT a Creative and all the problems went away. Creative have always stated to the users of dual CPU systems that there drivers run in single CPU only systems. The problem is that hyperthreading makes it seem like there are 2 CPU's in a system. Seems like the drivers are still causing issues with them.
Par'Gellen	Posted - 2004.09.06 16:36:00 - [43] If it's the sound card I'll be overjoyed as I was about to replace it anyway. In fact the P4C800-E Deluxe has a good sound chip on the board so I'll probably just use that. --------------------------------- "Guardian Of The Cheese"
Par'Gellen	Posted - 2004.09.06 16:36:00 - [44] If it's the sound card I'll be overjoyed as I was about to replace it anyway. In fact the P4C800-E Deluxe has a good sound chip on the board so I'll probably just use that. --------------------------------- "Guardian Of The Cheese"
Delc	Posted - 2004.09.07 10:13:00 - [45] Originally by: Aronis Contar PS: I have a normal SB Audigy, and I'm using WHQL certified drivers version 5.12.1.383 from the 4.11.2003. I can run three clients at once without problems, in SP 2. Seems to have done the trick, my system has not rebooted once since I installed these drivers. Seems that the latest driver-patch does something to SP2/DirectX that makes the system unstable. But that is not our problem, it's Creative's . N.A.G.A Corp \| NAGAmazon
Delc	Posted - 2004.09.07 10:13:00 - [46] Originally by: Aronis Contar PS: I have a normal SB Audigy, and I'm using WHQL certified drivers version 5.12.1.383 from the 4.11.2003. I can run three clients at once without problems, in SP 2. Seems to have done the trick, my system has not rebooted once since I installed these drivers. Seems that the latest driver-patch does something to SP2/DirectX that makes the system unstable. But that is not our problem, it's Creative's . N.A.G.A Corp \| NAGAmazon
Coza McCoza	Posted - 2004.09.09 22:10:00 - [47] Originally by: Delc Seems to have done the trick, my system has not rebooted once since I installed these drivers. Seems that the latest driver-patch does something to SP2/DirectX that makes the system unstable. But that is not our problem, it's Creative's . Well it is our problem really coz I can't get the game to play. Tried using my onboard sound instead (nForce Soundstorm) instead of my Creative SB but still no avail. I can get into the game and play around for about 2-3 minutes and then everything freezes and im forced to do a manual reboot. Running MSI K7N2 Delta, Athlon 2800, Creative Soundblaster 5.1, Radeon 9800 Pro, 512 RAM
Coza McCoza	Posted - 2004.09.09 22:10:00 - [48] Originally by: Delc Seems to have done the trick, my system has not rebooted once since I installed these drivers. Seems that the latest driver-patch does something to SP2/DirectX that makes the system unstable. But that is not our problem, it's Creative's . Well it is our problem really coz I can't get the game to play. Tried using my onboard sound instead (nForce Soundstorm) instead of my Creative SB but still no avail. I can get into the game and play around for about 2-3 minutes and then everything freezes and im forced to do a manual reboot. Running MSI K7N2 Delta, Athlon 2800, Creative Soundblaster 5.1, Radeon 9800 Pro, 512 RAM
DREAMWORKS	Posted - 2004.09.10 06:35:00 - [49] Very easy to solve: Type "cd $ntservicepackuninstall$\spuninst" and then press Enter. Type "batch spuninst.txt" and press Enter. This will start the SP2 uninstallation process. You may get several "Access Denied" error messages during the uninstall. This happens because the files are in use. __________________________ http://www.nin.com/visuals/thtf_hi.html
DREAMWORKS	Posted - 2004.09.10 06:35:00 - [50] Very easy to solve: Type "cd $ntservicepackuninstall$\spuninst" and then press Enter. Type "batch spuninst.txt" and press Enter. This will start the SP2 uninstallation process. You may get several "Access Denied" error messages during the uninstall. This happens because the files are in use. __________________________ http://www.nin.com/visuals/thtf_hi.html
Bane Sellante	Posted - 2004.09.10 15:39:00 - [51] I am not sure that it is SP2 to be honest. I had this issue prior to installing SP2. And still after installing Sp2. Though now that I think about it I have only got sound enabled on 1 account now so maybe that is why I am not crashing??? But I also removed the Occlude sun tick and disabled norton anti-virus. Left my firewall running though. ----------------------- Cold Fusion Inc. Website
Bane Sellante	Posted - 2004.09.10 15:39:00 - [52] I am not sure that it is SP2 to be honest. I had this issue prior to installing SP2. And still after installing Sp2. Though now that I think about it I have only got sound enabled on 1 account now so maybe that is why I am not crashing??? But I also removed the Occlude sun tick and disabled norton anti-virus. Left my firewall running though. ----------------------- Cold Fusion Inc. Website
Whitestar1	Posted - 2004.09.10 17:56:00 - [53] OK kids I was getting the: BAD POOL CALLER BSOD as well the last time I tried installing sp2. That time round I didnt have the time to mess around with it. But I decided to give it another go and this is what I did to get 2 clients of eve running in window mode on windows xp sp2: 1, Fresh install of windows xp ( created an installation of xp which included sp2 in it) 2, Installed any other updates from windows update 3, Installed drivers for my ATI 9800Pro (4.8 cat) 4, Installed drivers for my creative Audigy soundcard version 5.12.5.441 date 21/10/03. 5, Installed eve onto the c:\program files folder and then copied the ccp folder to the root of c: (for my second client) 6, Turned off DEP completely check out the link for details how to do it http://www.tech-recipes.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=398 7, Turned off the VPU recover option in the ATI settings 8, Set both clients to 98/ME compatability mode. In Game: 1, Turned off the Sun occular option on both clients. Try this it worked for me it should work for everyone else as it looks like the DEP (Data Execution Prevention) is what is causing the problem. We live for the one we die for the one
Whitestar1	Posted - 2004.09.10 17:56:00 - [54] OK kids I was getting the: BAD POOL CALLER BSOD as well the last time I tried installing sp2. That time round I didnt have the time to mess around with it. But I decided to give it another go and this is what I did to get 2 clients of eve running in window mode on windows xp sp2: 1, Fresh install of windows xp ( created an installation of xp which included sp2 in it) 2, Installed any other updates from windows update 3, Installed drivers for my ATI 9800Pro (4.8 cat) 4, Installed drivers for my creative Audigy soundcard version 5.12.5.441 date 21/10/03. 5, Installed eve onto the c:\program files folder and then copied the ccp folder to the root of c: (for my second client) 6, Turned off DEP completely check out the link for details how to do it http://www.tech-recipes.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=398 7, Turned off the VPU recover option in the ATI settings 8, Set both clients to 98/ME compatability mode. In Game: 1, Turned off the Sun occular option on both clients. Try this it worked for me it should work for everyone else as it looks like the DEP (Data Execution Prevention) is what is causing the problem. We live for the one we die for the one
Coza McCoza	Posted - 2004.09.12 12:07:00 - [55] Ok I had a problem after putting on SP2 that the game would work for about 3-5 minutes then my whole comp would freeze up and die on me. Each time I had to manually restart. After believing it was a directx problem and frustratingly not being able to get rid of 9.0c I followed the instrutions for the DEP thingy (as mentioned above). I ran this and applied it to pretty much every Eve related file in the game folder (including shortcuts on the desktop). I dont know if this is what solved the problem but I also went into the game and pressed Escape until I got to the game menu/options. I changed my graphics setting so that the interlace option was selected and I moved the little bar so that I no longer saw the lines running across my screen. I had also opened up directx and done all possible tests including one or two in the networking tab that hadn't been done. I don't know if it is a combination of things I have done or one inparticular thing but it works now so Im very happy! Would definately reccoment the interlace option as some of my error logs reported that no D3D device was detected. Running MSI K7N2 Delta, 512 XMS Corsair RAM, HIS Radeon 9800 Pro (overclocked to x800 speeds), Athlon 2800+, Creative 5.1 SB Live! All software/'hardware with latest patches
Coza McCoza	Posted - 2004.09.12 12:07:00 - [56] Ok I had a problem after putting on SP2 that the game would work for about 3-5 minutes then my whole comp would freeze up and die on me. Each time I had to manually restart. After believing it was a directx problem and frustratingly not being able to get rid of 9.0c I followed the instrutions for the DEP thingy (as mentioned above). I ran this and applied it to pretty much every Eve related file in the game folder (including shortcuts on the desktop). I dont know if this is what solved the problem but I also went into the game and pressed Escape until I got to the game menu/options. I changed my graphics setting so that the interlace option was selected and I moved the little bar so that I no longer saw the lines running across my screen. I had also opened up directx and done all possible tests including one or two in the networking tab that hadn't been done. I don't know if it is a combination of things I have done or one inparticular thing but it works now so Im very happy! Would definately reccoment the interlace option as some of my error logs reported that no D3D device was detected. Running MSI K7N2 Delta, 512 XMS Corsair RAM, HIS Radeon 9800 Pro (overclocked to x800 speeds), Athlon 2800+, Creative 5.1 SB Live! All software/'hardware with latest patches
XD Trotter	Posted - 2004.09.12 20:26:00 - [57] Delc, sorry, but I've been away for a week. Now, I've run the debug tools (or tried to) as well. I certainly got a pointer to the creative drivers BUT I would dearly love to find out about the Trinity.dll file being related, so can you walk me thru WHICH of the debug tools you used (your link to the 'guide' didn't work), and how? I seem to be falling over with installing 'symbols' so I get varying levels of info. Aronis: your comments are less than helpful. Please read the thread before replying in the future. Par'Gellen: my system is AMD, so hyperthreading shouldn't be an issue. Nice thought tho' Dreamworks: the point here is finding a solution that WORKS with SP2 ideally, not removing it. Bane: I've been running fine prior to SP2, with no problems. This is new, sionce SP2, for me. To every one else: is you are not having a problem with a BSOD relating to a 'BAD_POOL_CALLER', or your PC is randomly restarting, please disable automatic restarts. If you do not get the above error, then your problem is something else, so please start a new thread. If you do get this specific BSOD, then post whatever you got here. Thanks :)
XD Trotter	Posted - 2004.09.12 20:26:00 - [58] Delc, sorry, but I've been away for a week. Now, I've run the debug tools (or tried to) as well. I certainly got a pointer to the creative drivers BUT I would dearly love to find out about the Trinity.dll file being related, so can you walk me thru WHICH of the debug tools you used (your link to the 'guide' didn't work), and how? I seem to be falling over with installing 'symbols' so I get varying levels of info. Aronis: your comments are less than helpful. Please read the thread before replying in the future. Par'Gellen: my system is AMD, so hyperthreading shouldn't be an issue. Nice thought tho' Dreamworks: the point here is finding a solution that WORKS with SP2 ideally, not removing it. Bane: I've been running fine prior to SP2, with no problems. This is new, sionce SP2, for me. To every one else: is you are not having a problem with a BSOD relating to a 'BAD_POOL_CALLER', or your PC is randomly restarting, please disable automatic restarts. If you do not get the above error, then your problem is something else, so please start a new thread. If you do get this specific BSOD, then post whatever you got here. Thanks :)
Delc	Posted - 2004.09.13 07:29:00 - [59] Originally by: XD Trotter Delc, sorry, but I've been away for a week. Now, I've run the debug tools (or tried to) as well. I certainly got a pointer to the creative drivers BUT I would dearly love to find out about the Trinity.dll file being related, so can you walk me thru WHICH of the debug tools you used (your link to the 'guide' didn't work), and how? I seem to be falling over with installing 'symbols' so I get varying levels of info. WB XD Trotter , Seems that the E-O forums did something with the link I put up to the guide. The guide is called 'Microsoft Knowledge Base Article - 265879: How to Debug "Stop 0xC2" or "Stop 0x000000C2" Error Messages'. I used the graphical version of the debugger with the symbolspack. There are lot of articles related to the debugger, but it takes a while to get everything sorted first. N.A.G.A Corp \| NAGAmazon
Delc	Posted - 2004.09.13 07:29:00 - [60] Originally by: XD Trotter Delc, sorry, but I've been away for a week. Now, I've run the debug tools (or tried to) as well. I certainly got a pointer to the creative drivers BUT I would dearly love to find out about the Trinity.dll file being related, so can you walk me thru WHICH of the debug tools you used (your link to the 'guide' didn't work), and how? I seem to be falling over with installing 'symbols' so I get varying levels of info. WB XD Trotter , Seems that the E-O forums did something with the link I put up to the guide. The guide is called 'Microsoft Knowledge Base Article - 265879: How to Debug "Stop 0xC2" or "Stop 0x000000C2" Error Messages'. I used the graphical version of the debugger with the symbolspack. There are lot of articles related to the debugger, but it takes a while to get everything sorted first. N.A.G.A Corp \| NAGAmazon

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