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XD Trotter
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Posted - 2004.09.01 20:36:00 -
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Edited by: XD Trotter on 01/09/2004 22:02:55
System specs: AMD Athlon XP 2600+, 1Gb DDR400 matched ram, ATI Radeon 9600 Pro (128mb), Creative Audigy 2 ZS, Belkin USB2 PCI card, Gigabyte GA-7n400 Pro 2 mobo (bios up to date), Enermax 465 watt PSU, Win XP Pro (legitimate)
This first occured with patch 1724, and persists with patch 1754. This first started with the release of XP service pack 2.
My system has been running absolutely 100% sweet with 2 clients for the last 6 weeks. I have been running each client at 1280x960 windowed screen res with all the features maxed (including ticked obscure sun option). In that time I've had about a half dozen CTD's, but nothing beyonf that - prolly down to the obscure sun issue.
Since installing SP2 my PC has been randomly restarting: no CTD, no BSOD....we are talking as if someone hit the reset switch.
Nothing else has changed. At its worst, I couldn't last 5 mins online with both clients.
Things I have tried so far are, unchecked the obscure sun option, and also excluded Eve from the 'Data Execution Prevention' thing that we now got.
My PC is not overheating, my drivers are all up to date, and I have performed a complete reformat and re-install with the only installed apps being McAfee security suite and Eve.
This is a new problem. I am certain that this is soley limited to Eve and SP2. Everything else runs barn door stable. There are no errors logged in the Event viewer: no time really given the reboot.
My system is not over clocked, and my BIOS settings are conservative.
My hardware is 100% ok ( to be certain I've re-moved and re-installed everything) and there is nothing to specifically indicate hardware failure.
System is virus free, and there is no spamware installed. I'm connected to the net by a 1 Mb line, behind a hardware firewall with SPI true firewall, and NAT for additional protection. No chat or instand messange software is running.
Running a single instance of Eve, and pushing the system via multitasking as regards playing music via WMP, encoding CD's whilst listening to them, multiple web pages (essentially to max out CPU and physical memory) do not cause any issue with stability.
This only occirs with running 2 eve clients, even with nothing else in the background.
Has anyone else had this problem since SP2 was released?
Any advice or help greatly appreciated.
Andy
EDIT: Trying Eve in Win2k compatability mode.
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XD Trotter
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Posted - 2004.09.01 20:36:00 -
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Edited by: XD Trotter on 01/09/2004 22:02:55
System specs: AMD Athlon XP 2600+, 1Gb DDR400 matched ram, ATI Radeon 9600 Pro (128mb), Creative Audigy 2 ZS, Belkin USB2 PCI card, Gigabyte GA-7n400 Pro 2 mobo (bios up to date), Enermax 465 watt PSU, Win XP Pro (legitimate)
This first occured with patch 1724, and persists with patch 1754. This first started with the release of XP service pack 2.
My system has been running absolutely 100% sweet with 2 clients for the last 6 weeks. I have been running each client at 1280x960 windowed screen res with all the features maxed (including ticked obscure sun option). In that time I've had about a half dozen CTD's, but nothing beyonf that - prolly down to the obscure sun issue.
Since installing SP2 my PC has been randomly restarting: no CTD, no BSOD....we are talking as if someone hit the reset switch.
Nothing else has changed. At its worst, I couldn't last 5 mins online with both clients.
Things I have tried so far are, unchecked the obscure sun option, and also excluded Eve from the 'Data Execution Prevention' thing that we now got.
My PC is not overheating, my drivers are all up to date, and I have performed a complete reformat and re-install with the only installed apps being McAfee security suite and Eve.
This is a new problem. I am certain that this is soley limited to Eve and SP2. Everything else runs barn door stable. There are no errors logged in the Event viewer: no time really given the reboot.
My system is not over clocked, and my BIOS settings are conservative.
My hardware is 100% ok ( to be certain I've re-moved and re-installed everything) and there is nothing to specifically indicate hardware failure.
System is virus free, and there is no spamware installed. I'm connected to the net by a 1 Mb line, behind a hardware firewall with SPI true firewall, and NAT for additional protection. No chat or instand messange software is running.
Running a single instance of Eve, and pushing the system via multitasking as regards playing music via WMP, encoding CD's whilst listening to them, multiple web pages (essentially to max out CPU and physical memory) do not cause any issue with stability.
This only occirs with running 2 eve clients, even with nothing else in the background.
Has anyone else had this problem since SP2 was released?
Any advice or help greatly appreciated.
Andy
EDIT: Trying Eve in Win2k compatability mode.
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Delc
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Posted - 2004.09.01 22:05:00 -
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Got the same problem, just diffrent system specs. P4 2.6, 1Gb Dual DDR400 Ram, ATI Radeon 9800 Pro (128mb), Creative Audigy 2, Win XP Pro with SP2.
1 account, no problem.
2 accounts, system reboots.
Checked this thread and think that the DEP (Data Execution Protection) is to blame.
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Delc
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Posted - 2004.09.01 22:05:00 -
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Got the same problem, just diffrent system specs. P4 2.6, 1Gb Dual DDR400 Ram, ATI Radeon 9800 Pro (128mb), Creative Audigy 2, Win XP Pro with SP2.
1 account, no problem.
2 accounts, system reboots.
Checked this thread and think that the DEP (Data Execution Protection) is to blame.
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XD Trotter
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Posted - 2004.09.01 22:22:00 -
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Thx for the reply Delc, but I've set XP to disregard Eve as far as DEP goes.
However, I've got updated info. Following the suggestion on another thread, I've set XP not to restart in the event of a system error.
I got the following BSOD.
BAD_POOL_CALLER
STOP: 0x000000C2
(0x00000007, 0x00000CD4, 0x02020001, 0x84F183F8)
A quick scout on Google suggests that this may have something to do with  Quote:
Attempt to free a memory pool that was already freed
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Dunno if this isan Eve issue (ie dodgy coding becoming unmasked with SP2) or an SP 2 issue.
Could also be an issue with device drivers and SP2, however, this ONLY occurs on running 2 clients.
Will try Win 98 compat mode now.
Andy
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XD Trotter
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Posted - 2004.09.01 22:22:00 -
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Thx for the reply Delc, but I've set XP to disregard Eve as far as DEP goes.
However, I've got updated info. Following the suggestion on another thread, I've set XP not to restart in the event of a system error.
I got the following BSOD.
BAD_POOL_CALLER
STOP: 0x000000C2
(0x00000007, 0x00000CD4, 0x02020001, 0x84F183F8)
A quick scout on Google suggests that this may have something to do with Quote:
Attempt to free a memory pool that was already freed
.
Dunno if this isan Eve issue (ie dodgy coding becoming unmasked with SP2) or an SP 2 issue.
Could also be an issue with device drivers and SP2, however, this ONLY occurs on running 2 clients.
Will try Win 98 compat mode now.
Andy
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Delc
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Posted - 2004.09.01 22:40:00 -
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Originally by: XD Trotter
Thx for the reply Delc, but I've set XP to disregard Eve as far as DEP goes.
Ok, then I don't need to test that  . To bad it didn't solve the problem.
Originally by: XD Trotter
A quick scout on Google suggests that this may have something to do with Quote:
Attempt to free a memory pool that was already freed
Dunno if this isan Eve issue (ie dodgy coding becoming unmasked with SP2) or an SP 2 issue.
Could also be an issue with device drivers and SP2, however, this ONLY occurs on running 2 clients.
Think it's a EVE related problem due to the fact that it only occurs when running 2 clients under these conditions. The solution - until resolved - is maybe to rollback to SP1.
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Delc
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Posted - 2004.09.01 22:40:00 -
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Originally by: XD Trotter
Thx for the reply Delc, but I've set XP to disregard Eve as far as DEP goes.
Ok, then I don't need to test that . To bad it didn't solve the problem.
Originally by: XD Trotter
A quick scout on Google suggests that this may have something to do with Quote:
Attempt to free a memory pool that was already freed
Dunno if this isan Eve issue (ie dodgy coding becoming unmasked with SP2) or an SP 2 issue.
Could also be an issue with device drivers and SP2, however, this ONLY occurs on running 2 clients.
Think it's a EVE related problem due to the fact that it only occurs when running 2 clients under these conditions. The solution - until resolved - is maybe to rollback to SP1.
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XD Trotter
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Posted - 2004.09.01 23:13:00 -
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Update: tried compatability more. No improvement. Same BSOD.
Result: I would like to swear profusely in a public channel, whilst simultaneously sacrificing small furry domestic pets to the Gods of CCP to kindly GET THIS SORTED (even if this isn't their fault......but because I'm having these problems trying to play their game....twice).
*sigh*
Anyone else got any input here?
Andy
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XD Trotter
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Posted - 2004.09.01 23:13:00 -
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Update: tried compatability more. No improvement. Same BSOD.
Result: I would like to swear profusely in a public channel, whilst simultaneously sacrificing small furry domestic pets to the Gods of CCP to kindly GET THIS SORTED (even if this isn't their fault......but because I'm having these problems trying to play their game....twice).
*sigh*
Anyone else got any input here?
Andy
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balker
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Posted - 2004.09.01 23:21:00 -
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look at the following microsoft KB search
link
few pages there referring to the STOP error
Changed to link as it was stretching the forums -Zhuge
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balker
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Posted - 2004.09.01 23:21:00 -
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look at the following microsoft KB search
link
few pages there referring to the STOP error
Changed to link as it was stretching the forums -Zhuge
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balker
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Posted - 2004.09.01 23:28:00 -
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***UPDATE***
I quickly scanned the pages in the search results.
Its mostly pointing towards a network conflict/config error. I'd expect that when trying two run to clients at the same time on the same machine making different packet requests from the TQ cluster. Might want to remove unnessasary network protocols from your machine. See if Netbios or IPX/SPX is installed on the adapters you use to connect to the internet.
I remove the QOS packet schedular meself. also try disabling automatic updates when u play Eve making sure nothing else is trying to send information to the Net and back.
Good Luck!
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balker
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Posted - 2004.09.01 23:28:00 -
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***UPDATE***
I quickly scanned the pages in the search results.
Its mostly pointing towards a network conflict/config error. I'd expect that when trying two run to clients at the same time on the same machine making different packet requests from the TQ cluster. Might want to remove unnessasary network protocols from your machine. See if Netbios or IPX/SPX is installed on the adapters you use to connect to the internet.
I remove the QOS packet schedular meself. also try disabling automatic updates when u play Eve making sure nothing else is trying to send information to the Net and back.
Good Luck!
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XD Trotter
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Posted - 2004.09.02 00:09:00 -
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Thx Balker.
I'd already done the MS KB search thing, and come up with the articles you had.
That said, the networking fix's come as a surprise. Howver, all I'm running is TCP/IP as it is.
That, and this is a new issue on a previously multi-client OC that was stable.
The only change was SP2.
As you say, I may well need to -uninstall for a whil. But that happens.
Than again amte.
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XD Trotter
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Posted - 2004.09.02 00:09:00 -
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Thx Balker.
I'd already done the MS KB search thing, and come up with the articles you had.
That said, the networking fix's come as a surprise. Howver, all I'm running is TCP/IP as it is.
That, and this is a new issue on a previously multi-client OC that was stable.
The only change was SP2.
As you say, I may well need to -uninstall for a whil. But that happens.
Than again amte.
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CenZor
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Posted - 2004.09.02 09:42:00 -
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Edited by: CenZor on 02/09/2004 09:45:34
I have the same problem as well since installing xp sp2, dx9c and ati 4.8 drivers, but it definitely seems like its the sp2 that is the prob...
A temporary workaround that solves it is to run both clients in win98/me compatible mode (right click the eve icon(s) and set this option).
The result is a slightly worse performance but at least it doesn't crash...
Edit: Missed your comment about trying w98 compatible mode with no success. It works for me but I have 3 separate eve installs and it only works if i set them all to comp. mode... If one is in w98 and the other not then it still crashes...
/C
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CenZor
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Posted - 2004.09.02 09:42:00 -
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Edited by: CenZor on 02/09/2004 09:45:34
I have the same problem as well since installing xp sp2, dx9c and ati 4.8 drivers, but it definitely seems like its the sp2 that is the prob...
A temporary workaround that solves it is to run both clients in win98/me compatible mode (right click the eve icon(s) and set this option).
The result is a slightly worse performance but at least it doesn't crash...
Edit: Missed your comment about trying w98 compatible mode with no success. It works for me but I have 3 separate eve installs and it only works if i set them all to comp. mode... If one is in w98 and the other not then it still crashes...
/C
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Qwakrz
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Posted - 2004.09.02 09:45:00 -
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Edited by: Qwakrz on 02/09/2004 09:47:50
I have no problems running with XP SP2 here.
I run 2 systems
XP3200, 1GB DDR400, 185GB HDD, ATi9700AIW
AMD64m 3000, 1GB DDR333, 60GB HDD, ATi9600m (lappy)
Neither of these have problems with running 2 eve clients & XPSP2 together.
One thing I will suggest to XD is, try running your ram at 333MHz for a bit to see if that helps (just a hunch about nVidia and memory timings).
Also sun occlusion as of the last patch should be left off in multi client mode. It does crash eve.
-edit- I notice the common feature is a Creative soundcard. Try turning your sound acceleration right down in DxDiag, or even turning the sound off.
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Qwakrz
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Posted - 2004.09.02 09:45:00 -
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Edited by: Qwakrz on 02/09/2004 09:47:50
I have no problems running with XP SP2 here.
I run 2 systems
XP3200, 1GB DDR400, 185GB HDD, ATi9700AIW
AMD64m 3000, 1GB DDR333, 60GB HDD, ATi9600m (lappy)
Neither of these have problems with running 2 eve clients & XPSP2 together.
One thing I will suggest to XD is, try running your ram at 333MHz for a bit to see if that helps (just a hunch about nVidia and memory timings).
Also sun occlusion as of the last patch should be left off in multi client mode. It does crash eve.
-edit- I notice the common feature is a Creative soundcard. Try turning your sound acceleration right down in DxDiag, or even turning the sound off.
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Delc
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Posted - 2004.09.02 14:16:00 -
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Originally by: Qwakrz
-edit- I notice the common feature is a Creative soundcard. Try turning your sound acceleration right down in DxDiag, or even turning the sound off.
Tried that with same response, computer just rebooted itself. Needless to say, got the latest drivers...
Anyway, I have asked the support to look at my problem.
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Delc
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Posted - 2004.09.02 14:16:00 -
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Originally by: Qwakrz
-edit- I notice the common feature is a Creative soundcard. Try turning your sound acceleration right down in DxDiag, or even turning the sound off.
Tried that with same response, computer just rebooted itself. Needless to say, got the latest drivers...
Anyway, I have asked the support to look at my problem.
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XD Trotter
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Posted - 2004.09.03 17:01:00 -
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Ok.
Been in touch with Tech support, and the info so far is pretty non-specific. Current suggestions from them have been...
#1: Install 2 seperate instances of Eve to run my 2 clients - Doesn't work when not in compatability mode. Same BSOD.
#2: Try Win 98 compatability mode - Working so far *I think* now I've set both up this way. Havn't long term tested yet.
#3: Un-inhstall SP2 - *IF* win98 compatability mode does BSOD, I'll give this a go, but perhaps a bit extreme?
I noticed there was a .NET high priority update on the MS update site, which I've installed. And (not really expecting it to as it shouldn't have any bearing on this at all) it made no difference.
The complete summary on this error is
Quote:
Stop 0xC2 or BAD_POOL_CALLER - The Stop 0xC2 message indicates that a kernel-mode process or driver incorrectly attempted to perform memory operations in the following ways:
By allocating a memory pool size of zero bytes.
By allocating a memory pool that does not exist.
By attempting to free a memory pool that is already free.
By allocating or freeing a memory pool at an IRQL that was too high.
This Stop message is typically due to a faulty driver or software.
Courtisy of www.theeldergeek.com
How many of you are getting this exact same BSOD error message. For those of you who are having their PC simple reboot on them, you may need to disable 'Automatic Restart' under 'System Failure' in the 'Startup and Recovery' section of the 'Advanced' Tab in 'System Properties' ... found in the control panel *phew*, as commented by others in the forum.
I would be greatly interested to know if this is the BSOD error you are getting as well, as will help me try to decide if it is indeed SP2 and EVE, or my PC.
Thanks
Andy
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XD Trotter
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Posted - 2004.09.03 17:01:00 -
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Ok.
Been in touch with Tech support, and the info so far is pretty non-specific. Current suggestions from them have been...
#1: Install 2 seperate instances of Eve to run my 2 clients - Doesn't work when not in compatability mode. Same BSOD.
#2: Try Win 98 compatability mode - Working so far *I think* now I've set both up this way. Havn't long term tested yet.
#3: Un-inhstall SP2 - *IF* win98 compatability mode does BSOD, I'll give this a go, but perhaps a bit extreme?
I noticed there was a .NET high priority update on the MS update site, which I've installed. And (not really expecting it to as it shouldn't have any bearing on this at all) it made no difference.
The complete summary on this error is
Quote:
Stop 0xC2 or BAD_POOL_CALLER - The Stop 0xC2 message indicates that a kernel-mode process or driver incorrectly attempted to perform memory operations in the following ways:
By allocating a memory pool size of zero bytes.
By allocating a memory pool that does not exist.
By attempting to free a memory pool that is already free.
By allocating or freeing a memory pool at an IRQL that was too high.
This Stop message is typically due to a faulty driver or software.
Courtisy of www.theeldergeek.com
How many of you are getting this exact same BSOD error message. For those of you who are having their PC simple reboot on them, you may need to disable 'Automatic Restart' under 'System Failure' in the 'Startup and Recovery' section of the 'Advanced' Tab in 'System Properties' ... found in the control panel *phew*, as commented by others in the forum.
I would be greatly interested to know if this is the BSOD error you are getting as well, as will help me try to decide if it is indeed SP2 and EVE, or my PC.
Thanks
Andy
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Delc
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Posted - 2004.09.04 09:28:00 -
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Edited by: Delc on 04/09/2004 11:03:10
Originally by: XD Trotter
I would be greatly interested to know if this is the BSOD error you are getting as well, as will help me try to decide if it is indeed SP2 and EVE, or my PC.
This is what my Event Log is saying when trying to run two accounts:
The computer has rebooted from a bugcheck. The bugcheck was: 0x000000c2 (0x00000007, 0x00000cd4, 0x02020001, 0x857b3458). A dump was saved in: C:\WINDOWS\MEMORY.DMP.
Here is the most useful data from the memory.dmp file:
MajorVersion 0000000f
MinorVersion 00000a28
MachineImageType 0000014c
NumberProcessors 00000002
BugCheckCode 000000c2
BugCheckParameter1 00000007
BugCheckParameter2 00000cd4
BugCheckParameter3 02020001
BugCheckParameter4 857b3458
Link to what Windows Support has to say.
Can it be a problem with the drivers related to the network card?
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Delc
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Posted - 2004.09.04 09:28:00 -
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Edited by: Delc on 04/09/2004 11:03:10
Originally by: XD Trotter
I would be greatly interested to know if this is the BSOD error you are getting as well, as will help me try to decide if it is indeed SP2 and EVE, or my PC.
This is what my Event Log is saying when trying to run two accounts:
The computer has rebooted from a bugcheck. The bugcheck was: 0x000000c2 (0x00000007, 0x00000cd4, 0x02020001, 0x857b3458). A dump was saved in: C:\WINDOWS\MEMORY.DMP.
Here is the most useful data from the memory.dmp file:
MajorVersion 0000000f
MinorVersion 00000a28
MachineImageType 0000014c
NumberProcessors 00000002
BugCheckCode 000000c2
BugCheckParameter1 00000007
BugCheckParameter2 00000cd4
BugCheckParameter3 02020001
BugCheckParameter4 857b3458
Link to what Windows Support has to say.
Can it be a problem with the drivers related to the network card?
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Rolschau
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Posted - 2004.09.04 15:07:00 -
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If Windows NT (XP) reboots it might be your settings...
try this:
Control panel -> System -> Advanced -> Start and recovery: settings -> remove all check marks (especially auto-reboot on error) and set "none" in the option dropbox...
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Rolschau
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Posted - 2004.09.04 15:07:00 -
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If Windows NT (XP) reboots it might be your settings...
try this:
Control panel -> System -> Advanced -> Start and recovery: settings -> remove all check marks (especially auto-reboot on error) and set "none" in the option dropbox...
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Delc
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Posted - 2004.09.04 23:22:00 -
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Originally by: Rolschau
If Windows NT (XP) reboots it might be your settings...
try this:
Control panel -> System -> Advanced -> Start and recovery: settings -> remove all check marks (especially auto-reboot on error) and set "none" in the option dropbox...
Not a solution for the stated problem and has been discussed as an action in order to see what kind of BSOD it is. But thanks!
Have been checking various resources all day and it seems that the short term solution is to uninstall SP2 and go back to SP1.
I have noticed that only ( - maybe - ) ATI card is mentioned with this kind of problem.
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Delc
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Posted - 2004.09.04 23:22:00 -
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Originally by: Rolschau
If Windows NT (XP) reboots it might be your settings...
try this:
Control panel -> System -> Advanced -> Start and recovery: settings -> remove all check marks (especially auto-reboot on error) and set "none" in the option dropbox...
Not a solution for the stated problem and has been discussed as an action in order to see what kind of BSOD it is. But thanks!
Have been checking various resources all day and it seems that the short term solution is to uninstall SP2 and go back to SP1.
I have noticed that only ( - maybe - ) ATI card is mentioned with this kind of problem.
N.A.G.A Corp | NAGAmazon
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Aronis Contar
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Posted - 2004.09.05 03:37:00 -
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Quote:
Stop 0xC2 or BAD_POOL_CALLER - The Stop 0xC2 message indicates that a kernel-mode process or driver incorrectly attempted to perform memory operations in the following ways:
By allocating a memory pool size of zero bytes.
By allocating a memory pool that does not exist.
By attempting to free a memory pool that is already free.
By allocating or freeing a memory pool at an IRQL that was too high.
This Stop message is typically due to a faulty driver or software.
If EVE would do any of those things, you would just get a "this program has performed an illegal operation and needs to be closed blablabla" message box. It has to be a driver or a part of windows that does something nasty so that you get a bluescreen.
If you disable your "Automatic Reboot", does it maybe list the program that caused the bugcheck somewhere on the blue screen? Somewhere in the middle, most likely some .sys or .dll?
Ciao, Aronis!
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Aronis Contar
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Posted - 2004.09.05 03:37:00 -
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Quote:
Stop 0xC2 or BAD_POOL_CALLER - The Stop 0xC2 message indicates that a kernel-mode process or driver incorrectly attempted to perform memory operations in the following ways:
By allocating a memory pool size of zero bytes.
By allocating a memory pool that does not exist.
By attempting to free a memory pool that is already free.
By allocating or freeing a memory pool at an IRQL that was too high.
This Stop message is typically due to a faulty driver or software.
If EVE would do any of those things, you would just get a "this program has performed an illegal operation and needs to be closed blablabla" message box. It has to be a driver or a part of windows that does something nasty so that you get a bluescreen.
If you disable your "Automatic Reboot", does it maybe list the program that caused the bugcheck somewhere on the blue screen? Somewhere in the middle, most likely some .sys or .dll?
Ciao, Aronis!
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Delc
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Posted - 2004.09.05 09:33:00 -
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Edited by: Delc on 05/09/2004 10:34:48
Originally by: Aronis Contar
If EVE would do any of those things, you would just get a "this program has performed an illegal operation and needs to be closed blablabla" message box. It has to be a driver or a part of windows that does something nasty so that you get a bluescreen.
If you disable your "Automatic Reboot", does it maybe list the program that caused the bugcheck somewhere on the blue screen? Somewhere in the middle, most likely some .sys or .dll?
Ciao, Aronis!
Yea I have debugged my memory.dmp file with the debugging tools Mircrosoft provides. And following this simple guide you can understand the tool.
My findings is that the trinity.dll tries and free upp memory as the same time as ctoss2k.sys thus making the system unstable and reboot.
What is trinity.dll? Check your eve/bin-catalog.
What is ctoss2k.sys? It's a driver used by the soundcard. In this case a SB Audigy 2.
Question still remains why this occurs in Windows XP Service Pack 2.
I will try and get hold of whql drivers for my soundcard and test that out.
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Delc
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Posted - 2004.09.05 09:33:00 -
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Edited by: Delc on 05/09/2004 10:34:48
Originally by: Aronis Contar
If EVE would do any of those things, you would just get a "this program has performed an illegal operation and needs to be closed blablabla" message box. It has to be a driver or a part of windows that does something nasty so that you get a bluescreen.
If you disable your "Automatic Reboot", does it maybe list the program that caused the bugcheck somewhere on the blue screen? Somewhere in the middle, most likely some .sys or .dll?
Ciao, Aronis!
Yea I have debugged my memory.dmp file with the debugging tools Mircrosoft provides. And following this simple guide you can understand the tool.
My findings is that the trinity.dll tries and free upp memory as the same time as ctoss2k.sys thus making the system unstable and reboot.
What is trinity.dll? Check your eve/bin-catalog.
What is ctoss2k.sys? It's a driver used by the soundcard. In this case a SB Audigy 2.
Question still remains why this occurs in Windows XP Service Pack 2.
I will try and get hold of whql drivers for my soundcard and test that out.
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Aronis Contar
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Posted - 2004.09.05 15:00:00 -
[35]
Edited by: Aronis Contar on 05/09/2004 15:05:44
Edited by: Aronis Contar on 05/09/2004 15:03:31
Creative are not exactly known for their fantastic drivers  Good luck, though.
Did you try turning the hardware acceleration way down in your "Sounds and Audio Devices"? Or maybe try setting "audio=0" in your prefs.ini.
Ciao, Aronis!
PS: I have a normal SB Audigy, and I'm using WHQL certified drivers version 5.12.1.383 from the 4.11.2003. I can run three clients at once without problems, in SP 2.
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Aronis Contar
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Posted - 2004.09.05 15:00:00 -
[36]
Edited by: Aronis Contar on 05/09/2004 15:05:44
Edited by: Aronis Contar on 05/09/2004 15:03:31
Creative are not exactly known for their fantastic drivers Good luck, though.
Did you try turning the hardware acceleration way down in your "Sounds and Audio Devices"? Or maybe try setting "audio=0" in your prefs.ini.
Ciao, Aronis!
PS: I have a normal SB Audigy, and I'm using WHQL certified drivers version 5.12.1.383 from the 4.11.2003. I can run three clients at once without problems, in SP 2.
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Delc
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Posted - 2004.09.05 21:05:00 -
[37]
Originally by: Aronis Contar
PS: I have a normal SB Audigy, and I'm using WHQL certified drivers version 5.12.1.383 from the 4.11.2003. I can run three clients at once without problems, in SP 2.
Yea I am running them as well now . Hopefully they will do the trick. Thinking of getting myself a TerraTec-card if it doesn't, Creative has been to passive with their drivers to long now.
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Delc
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Posted - 2004.09.05 21:05:00 -
[38]
Originally by: Aronis Contar
PS: I have a normal SB Audigy, and I'm using WHQL certified drivers version 5.12.1.383 from the 4.11.2003. I can run three clients at once without problems, in SP 2.
Yea I am running them as well now . Hopefully they will do the trick. Thinking of getting myself a TerraTec-card if it doesn't, Creative has been to passive with their drivers to long now.
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Par'Gellen
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Posted - 2004.09.06 01:46:00 -
[39]
Edited by: Par'Gellen on 06/09/2004 01:48:02
I had this exact same problem on my new PC.
Motherboard: Asus P4C800-E Deluxe
Processor: Intel P4 2.8GHz 1MB L2 cache (yeah the new one that runs rather hot)
Memory: 2GB Kingston PC3200 Dual-Channel
HDD: 2 74GB 10k RPM Western Digital SATA in RAID 0 config
Sound: Sound Blaster Audigy
Video: eVGA GeForce 6800 Ultra 256MB
I got this exact BSOD when running multiple clients. Running multiple clients on my other PC after XP SP2 has been working fine. I wonder if it has something to do with hyperthreading. I was going to try to turn it off in BIOS but the motherboard took a dive and I had to send it back RMA. As soon as I get the replacement I'll give it a try.
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Par'Gellen
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Posted - 2004.09.06 01:46:00 -
[40]
Edited by: Par'Gellen on 06/09/2004 01:48:02
I had this exact same problem on my new PC.
Motherboard: Asus P4C800-E Deluxe
Processor: Intel P4 2.8GHz 1MB L2 cache (yeah the new one that runs rather hot)
Memory: 2GB Kingston PC3200 Dual-Channel
HDD: 2 74GB 10k RPM Western Digital SATA in RAID 0 config
Sound: Sound Blaster Audigy
Video: eVGA GeForce 6800 Ultra 256MB
I got this exact BSOD when running multiple clients. Running multiple clients on my other PC after XP SP2 has been working fine. I wonder if it has something to do with hyperthreading. I was going to try to turn it off in BIOS but the motherboard took a dive and I had to send it back RMA. As soon as I get the replacement I'll give it a try.
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Slardibardfast
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Posted - 2004.09.06 11:03:00 -
[41]
Edited by: Slardibardfast on 06/09/2004 11:07:28
I will take a stab in the dark & say that the hyperthreading is playing havoc with the soundblaster drivers. Hyperthreading is a good thing to keep on if you can. I would suggest changing the drivers or getting a better soundcard (better in the sence of one that works properly)
I used to run a dual CPU AMD MP2000 system with a SB soundcard. Whenever I tried to use it to play sound it would BSOD on me at some point. In the end I fitted a cheap PCI soundcard that was NOT a Creative and all the problems went away. Creative have always stated to the users of dual CPU systems that there drivers run in single CPU only systems. The problem is that hyperthreading makes it seem like there are 2 CPU's in a system.
Seems like the drivers are still causing issues with them.
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Slardibardfast
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Posted - 2004.09.06 11:03:00 -
[42]
Edited by: Slardibardfast on 06/09/2004 11:07:28
I will take a stab in the dark & say that the hyperthreading is playing havoc with the soundblaster drivers. Hyperthreading is a good thing to keep on if you can. I would suggest changing the drivers or getting a better soundcard (better in the sence of one that works properly)
I used to run a dual CPU AMD MP2000 system with a SB soundcard. Whenever I tried to use it to play sound it would BSOD on me at some point. In the end I fitted a cheap PCI soundcard that was NOT a Creative and all the problems went away. Creative have always stated to the users of dual CPU systems that there drivers run in single CPU only systems. The problem is that hyperthreading makes it seem like there are 2 CPU's in a system.
Seems like the drivers are still causing issues with them.
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Par'Gellen
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Posted - 2004.09.06 16:36:00 -
[43]
If it's the sound card I'll be overjoyed as I was about to replace it anyway. In fact the P4C800-E Deluxe has a good sound chip on the board so I'll probably just use that.
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Par'Gellen
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Posted - 2004.09.06 16:36:00 -
[44]
If it's the sound card I'll be overjoyed as I was about to replace it anyway. In fact the P4C800-E Deluxe has a good sound chip on the board so I'll probably just use that.
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"Guardian Of The Cheese" |
Delc
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Posted - 2004.09.07 10:13:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Aronis Contar
PS: I have a normal SB Audigy, and I'm using WHQL certified drivers version 5.12.1.383 from the 4.11.2003. I can run three clients at once without problems, in SP 2.
Seems to have done the trick, my system has not rebooted once since I installed these drivers. Seems that the latest driver-patch does something to SP2/DirectX that makes the system unstable. But that is not our problem, it's Creative's  .
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Delc
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Posted - 2004.09.07 10:13:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Aronis Contar
PS: I have a normal SB Audigy, and I'm using WHQL certified drivers version 5.12.1.383 from the 4.11.2003. I can run three clients at once without problems, in SP 2.
Seems to have done the trick, my system has not rebooted once since I installed these drivers. Seems that the latest driver-patch does something to SP2/DirectX that makes the system unstable. But that is not our problem, it's Creative's .
N.A.G.A Corp | NAGAmazon
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Coza McCoza
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Posted - 2004.09.09 22:10:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Delc
Seems to have done the trick, my system has not rebooted once since I installed these drivers. Seems that the latest driver-patch does something to SP2/DirectX that makes the system unstable. But that is not our problem, it's Creative's .
Well it is our problem really coz I can't get the game to play. Tried using my onboard sound instead (nForce Soundstorm) instead of my Creative SB but still no avail. I can get into the game and play around for about 2-3 minutes and then everything freezes and im forced to do a manual reboot.
Running MSI K7N2 Delta, Athlon 2800, Creative Soundblaster 5.1, Radeon 9800 Pro, 512 RAM 
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Coza McCoza
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Posted - 2004.09.09 22:10:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Delc
Seems to have done the trick, my system has not rebooted once since I installed these drivers. Seems that the latest driver-patch does something to SP2/DirectX that makes the system unstable. But that is not our problem, it's Creative's .
Well it is our problem really coz I can't get the game to play. Tried using my onboard sound instead (nForce Soundstorm) instead of my Creative SB but still no avail. I can get into the game and play around for about 2-3 minutes and then everything freezes and im forced to do a manual reboot.
Running MSI K7N2 Delta, Athlon 2800, Creative Soundblaster 5.1, Radeon 9800 Pro, 512 RAM
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DREAMWORKS
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Posted - 2004.09.10 06:35:00 -
[49]
Very easy to solve:
Type "cd $ntservicepackuninstall$\spuninst" and then press Enter.
Type "batch spuninst.txt" and press Enter. This will start the SP2
uninstallation process. You may get several "Access Denied" error
messages during the uninstall. This happens because the files are in
use.
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DREAMWORKS
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Posted - 2004.09.10 06:35:00 -
[50]
Very easy to solve:
Type "cd $ntservicepackuninstall$\spuninst" and then press Enter.
Type "batch spuninst.txt" and press Enter. This will start the SP2
uninstallation process. You may get several "Access Denied" error
messages during the uninstall. This happens because the files are in
use.
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Bane Sellante
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Posted - 2004.09.10 15:39:00 -
[51]
I am not sure that it is SP2 to be honest. I had this issue prior to installing SP2. And still after installing Sp2.
Though now that I think about it I have only got sound enabled on 1 account now so maybe that is why I am not crashing???
But I also removed the Occlude sun tick and disabled norton anti-virus. Left my firewall running though.
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Bane Sellante
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Posted - 2004.09.10 15:39:00 -
[52]
I am not sure that it is SP2 to be honest. I had this issue prior to installing SP2. And still after installing Sp2.
Though now that I think about it I have only got sound enabled on 1 account now so maybe that is why I am not crashing???
But I also removed the Occlude sun tick and disabled norton anti-virus. Left my firewall running though.
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Whitestar1
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Posted - 2004.09.10 17:56:00 -
[53]
OK kids I was getting the:
BAD POOL CALLER BSOD as well the last time I tried installing sp2. That time round I didnt have the time to mess around with it. But I decided to give it another go and this is what I did to get 2 clients of eve running in window mode on windows xp sp2:
1, Fresh install of windows xp ( created an installation of xp which included sp2 in it)
2, Installed any other updates from windows update
3, Installed drivers for my ATI 9800Pro (4.8 cat)
4, Installed drivers for my creative Audigy soundcard version 5.12.5.441 date 21/10/03.
5, Installed eve onto the c:\program files folder and then copied the ccp folder to the root of c: (for my second client)
6, Turned off DEP completely check out the link for details how to do it http://www.tech-recipes.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=398
7, Turned off the VPU recover option in the ATI settings
8, Set both clients to 98/ME compatability mode.
In Game:
1, Turned off the Sun occular option on both clients.
Try this it worked for me it should work for everyone else as it looks like the DEP (Data Execution Prevention) is what is causing the problem.
We live for the one we die for the one |
Whitestar1
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Posted - 2004.09.10 17:56:00 -
[54]
OK kids I was getting the:
BAD POOL CALLER BSOD as well the last time I tried installing sp2. That time round I didnt have the time to mess around with it. But I decided to give it another go and this is what I did to get 2 clients of eve running in window mode on windows xp sp2:
1, Fresh install of windows xp ( created an installation of xp which included sp2 in it)
2, Installed any other updates from windows update
3, Installed drivers for my ATI 9800Pro (4.8 cat)
4, Installed drivers for my creative Audigy soundcard version 5.12.5.441 date 21/10/03.
5, Installed eve onto the c:\program files folder and then copied the ccp folder to the root of c: (for my second client)
6, Turned off DEP completely check out the link for details how to do it http://www.tech-recipes.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=398
7, Turned off the VPU recover option in the ATI settings
8, Set both clients to 98/ME compatability mode.
In Game:
1, Turned off the Sun occular option on both clients.
Try this it worked for me it should work for everyone else as it looks like the DEP (Data Execution Prevention) is what is causing the problem.
We live for the one we die for the one |
Coza McCoza
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Posted - 2004.09.12 12:07:00 -
[55]
Ok I had a problem after putting on SP2 that the game would work for about 3-5 minutes then my whole comp would freeze up and die on me. Each time I had to manually restart.
After believing it was a directx problem and frustratingly not being able to get rid of 9.0c I followed the instrutions for the DEP thingy (as mentioned above). I ran this and applied it to pretty much every Eve related file in the game folder (including shortcuts on the desktop). I dont know if this is what solved the problem but I also went into the game and pressed Escape until I got to the game menu/options.
I changed my graphics setting so that the interlace option was selected and I moved the little bar so that I no longer saw the lines running across my screen.
I had also opened up directx and done all possible tests including one or two in the networking tab that hadn't been done.
I don't know if it is a combination of things I have done or one inparticular thing but it works now so Im very happy!
Would definately reccoment the interlace option as some of my error logs reported that no D3D device was detected.
Running MSI K7N2 Delta, 512 XMS Corsair RAM, HIS Radeon 9800 Pro (overclocked to x800 speeds), Athlon 2800+, Creative 5.1 SB Live!
All software/'hardware with latest patches
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Coza McCoza
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Posted - 2004.09.12 12:07:00 -
[56]
Ok I had a problem after putting on SP2 that the game would work for about 3-5 minutes then my whole comp would freeze up and die on me. Each time I had to manually restart.
After believing it was a directx problem and frustratingly not being able to get rid of 9.0c I followed the instrutions for the DEP thingy (as mentioned above). I ran this and applied it to pretty much every Eve related file in the game folder (including shortcuts on the desktop). I dont know if this is what solved the problem but I also went into the game and pressed Escape until I got to the game menu/options.
I changed my graphics setting so that the interlace option was selected and I moved the little bar so that I no longer saw the lines running across my screen.
I had also opened up directx and done all possible tests including one or two in the networking tab that hadn't been done.
I don't know if it is a combination of things I have done or one inparticular thing but it works now so Im very happy!
Would definately reccoment the interlace option as some of my error logs reported that no D3D device was detected.
Running MSI K7N2 Delta, 512 XMS Corsair RAM, HIS Radeon 9800 Pro (overclocked to x800 speeds), Athlon 2800+, Creative 5.1 SB Live!
All software/'hardware with latest patches
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XD Trotter
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Posted - 2004.09.12 20:26:00 -
[57]
Delc,
sorry, but I've been away for a week.
Now, I've run the debug tools (or tried to) as well.
I certainly got a pointer to the creative drivers BUT I would dearly love to find out about the Trinity.dll file being related, so can you walk me thru WHICH of the debug tools you used (your link to the 'guide' didn't work), and how? I seem to be falling over with installing 'symbols' so I get varying levels of info.
Aronis: your comments are less than helpful. Please read the thread before replying in the future.
Par'Gellen: my system is AMD, so hyperthreading shouldn't be an issue. Nice thought tho'
Dreamworks: the point here is finding a solution that WORKS with SP2 ideally, not removing it.
Bane: I've been running fine prior to SP2, with no problems. This is new, sionce SP2, for me.
To every one else: is you are not having a problem with a BSOD relating to a 'BAD_POOL_CALLER', or your PC is randomly restarting, please disable automatic restarts. If you do not get the above error, then your problem is something else, so please start a new thread. If you *do* get this specific BSOD, then post whatever you got here.
Thanks :)
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XD Trotter
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Posted - 2004.09.12 20:26:00 -
[58]
Delc,
sorry, but I've been away for a week.
Now, I've run the debug tools (or tried to) as well.
I certainly got a pointer to the creative drivers BUT I would dearly love to find out about the Trinity.dll file being related, so can you walk me thru WHICH of the debug tools you used (your link to the 'guide' didn't work), and how? I seem to be falling over with installing 'symbols' so I get varying levels of info.
Aronis: your comments are less than helpful. Please read the thread before replying in the future.
Par'Gellen: my system is AMD, so hyperthreading shouldn't be an issue. Nice thought tho'
Dreamworks: the point here is finding a solution that WORKS with SP2 ideally, not removing it.
Bane: I've been running fine prior to SP2, with no problems. This is new, sionce SP2, for me.
To every one else: is you are not having a problem with a BSOD relating to a 'BAD_POOL_CALLER', or your PC is randomly restarting, please disable automatic restarts. If you do not get the above error, then your problem is something else, so please start a new thread. If you *do* get this specific BSOD, then post whatever you got here.
Thanks :)
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Delc
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Posted - 2004.09.13 07:29:00 -
[59]
Originally by: XD Trotter
Delc,
sorry, but I've been away for a week.
Now, I've run the debug tools (or tried to) as well.
I certainly got a pointer to the creative drivers BUT I would dearly love to find out about the Trinity.dll file being related, so can you walk me thru WHICH of the debug tools you used (your link to the 'guide' didn't work), and how? I seem to be falling over with installing 'symbols' so I get varying levels of info.
WB XD Trotter ,
Seems that the E-O forums did something with the link I put up to the guide. The guide is called 'Microsoft Knowledge Base Article - 265879: How to Debug "Stop 0xC2" or "Stop 0x000000C2" Error Messages'.
I used the graphical version of the debugger with the symbolspack.
There are lot of articles related to the debugger, but it takes a while to get everything sorted first.
N.A.G.A Corp | NAGAmazon
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Delc
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Posted - 2004.09.13 07:29:00 -
[60]
Originally by: XD Trotter
Delc,
sorry, but I've been away for a week.
Now, I've run the debug tools (or tried to) as well.
I certainly got a pointer to the creative drivers BUT I would dearly love to find out about the Trinity.dll file being related, so can you walk me thru WHICH of the debug tools you used (your link to the 'guide' didn't work), and how? I seem to be falling over with installing 'symbols' so I get varying levels of info.
WB XD Trotter ,
Seems that the E-O forums did something with the link I put up to the guide. The guide is called 'Microsoft Knowledge Base Article - 265879: How to Debug "Stop 0xC2" or "Stop 0x000000C2" Error Messages'.
I used the graphical version of the debugger with the symbolspack.
There are lot of articles related to the debugger, but it takes a while to get everything sorted first.
N.A.G.A Corp | NAGAmazon
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XD Trotter
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Posted - 2004.09.13 15:22:00 -
[61]
Ok...
My information is as this, from the Windbg tool
Quote:
BugCheck C2, {7, cd4, 2020001, 85c65f08}
*** ERROR: Module load completed but symbols could not be loaded for ctoss2k.sys
*** ERROR: Module load completed but symbols could not be loaded for ha10kx2k.sys
*** ERROR: Module load completed but symbols could not be loaded for ctaud2k.sys
Probably caused by : ctoss2k.sys ( ctoss2k+646b )
I don't get any reference to Trinity.dll at all, even following the extended info outputs.
Interestingly, I did actually generate another BSOD
Stop 0x0000008E which was related to ha10kx2k.sys which is another of the Creative driver files.
Unfortunately, I gave Creative a call, and although they will have a look into it (at least they asked me to send stuff via e-mail) their initial position is that this is a Problem caused by Eve. Their first response was to install and try another game to see if the error occurs with something else.
Eve tech support have so far pointed me in the direction of ATI drivers, following info in the 'XP Service Pack 2' thread and 'Blank EULA and Login' thread, but it doesn't actually seem to be relevant as they would appear entirely different problems.
Currently, using Win 98 compatability mode appears to be a work around for the STOP C2 error, but I've had the Stop 8E error despite this.
I have copied the Eve installation folder to another location so as to run both clients from seperate installs, and in the second one I have added 'audio=0' to the prefs.ini file to see if that might improve matters.
Anyone else got any other info?
BTW, Delc, which Audigy 2 driver are you using, and where did you get it from? And has it so far resolved your problem? I asked Creative tech support about obtaining an older device driver, but they were unable to accomodate.
Andy
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XD Trotter
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Posted - 2004.09.13 15:22:00 -
[62]
Ok...
My information is as this, from the Windbg tool
Quote:
BugCheck C2, {7, cd4, 2020001, 85c65f08}
*** ERROR: Module load completed but symbols could not be loaded for ctoss2k.sys
*** ERROR: Module load completed but symbols could not be loaded for ha10kx2k.sys
*** ERROR: Module load completed but symbols could not be loaded for ctaud2k.sys
Probably caused by : ctoss2k.sys ( ctoss2k+646b )
I don't get any reference to Trinity.dll at all, even following the extended info outputs.
Interestingly, I did actually generate another BSOD
Stop 0x0000008E which was related to ha10kx2k.sys which is another of the Creative driver files.
Unfortunately, I gave Creative a call, and although they will have a look into it (at least they asked me to send stuff via e-mail) their initial position is that this is a Problem caused by Eve. Their first response was to install and try another game to see if the error occurs with something else.
Eve tech support have so far pointed me in the direction of ATI drivers, following info in the 'XP Service Pack 2' thread and 'Blank EULA and Login' thread, but it doesn't actually seem to be relevant as they would appear entirely different problems.
Currently, using Win 98 compatability mode appears to be a work around for the STOP C2 error, but I've had the Stop 8E error despite this.
I have copied the Eve installation folder to another location so as to run both clients from seperate installs, and in the second one I have added 'audio=0' to the prefs.ini file to see if that might improve matters.
Anyone else got any other info?
BTW, Delc, which Audigy 2 driver are you using, and where did you get it from? And has it so far resolved your problem? I asked Creative tech support about obtaining an older device driver, but they were unable to accomodate.
Andy
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XD Trotter
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Posted - 2004.09.13 15:22:00 -
[63]
Ok...
My information is as this, from the Windbg tool
Quote:
BugCheck C2, {7, cd4, 2020001, 85c65f08}
*** ERROR: Module load completed but symbols could not be loaded for ctoss2k.sys
*** ERROR: Module load completed but symbols could not be loaded for ha10kx2k.sys
*** ERROR: Module load completed but symbols could not be loaded for ctaud2k.sys
Probably caused by : ctoss2k.sys ( ctoss2k+646b )
I don't get any reference to Trinity.dll at all, even following the extended info outputs.
Interestingly, I did actually generate another BSOD
Stop 0x0000008E which was related to ha10kx2k.sys which is another of the Creative driver files.
Unfortunately, I gave Creative a call, and although they will have a look into it (at least they asked me to send stuff via e-mail) their initial position is that this is a Problem caused by Eve. Their first response was to install and try another game to see if the error occurs with something else.
Eve tech support have so far pointed me in the direction of ATI drivers, following info in the 'XP Service Pack 2' thread and 'Blank EULA and Login' thread, but it doesn't actually seem to be relevant as they would appear entirely different problems.
Currently, using Win 98 compatability mode appears to be a work around for the STOP C2 error, but I've had the Stop 8E error despite this.
I have copied the Eve installation folder to another location so as to run both clients from seperate installs, and in the second one I have added 'audio=0' to the prefs.ini file to see if that might improve matters.
Anyone else got any other info?
BTW, Delc, which Audigy 2 driver are you using, and where did you get it from? And has it so far resolved your problem? I asked Creative tech support about obtaining an older device driver, but they were unable to accomodate.
Andy
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XD Trotter
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Posted - 2004.09.13 15:22:00 -
[64]
Ok...
My information is as this, from the Windbg tool
Quote:
BugCheck C2, {7, cd4, 2020001, 85c65f08}
*** ERROR: Module load completed but symbols could not be loaded for ctoss2k.sys
*** ERROR: Module load completed but symbols could not be loaded for ha10kx2k.sys
*** ERROR: Module load completed but symbols could not be loaded for ctaud2k.sys
Probably caused by : ctoss2k.sys ( ctoss2k+646b )
I don't get any reference to Trinity.dll at all, even following the extended info outputs.
Interestingly, I did actually generate another BSOD
Stop 0x0000008E which was related to ha10kx2k.sys which is another of the Creative driver files.
Unfortunately, I gave Creative a call, and although they will have a look into it (at least they asked me to send stuff via e-mail) their initial position is that this is a Problem caused by Eve. Their first response was to install and try another game to see if the error occurs with something else.
Eve tech support have so far pointed me in the direction of ATI drivers, following info in the 'XP Service Pack 2' thread and 'Blank EULA and Login' thread, but it doesn't actually seem to be relevant as they would appear entirely different problems.
Currently, using Win 98 compatability mode appears to be a work around for the STOP C2 error, but I've had the Stop 8E error despite this.
I have copied the Eve installation folder to another location so as to run both clients from seperate installs, and in the second one I have added 'audio=0' to the prefs.ini file to see if that might improve matters.
Anyone else got any other info?
BTW, Delc, which Audigy 2 driver are you using, and where did you get it from? And has it so far resolved your problem? I asked Creative tech support about obtaining an older device driver, but they were unable to accomodate.
Andy
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Delc
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Posted - 2004.09.13 16:03:00 -
[65]
Edited by: Delc on 13/09/2004 16:10:52
Originally by: XD Trotter
BTW, Delc, which Audigy 2 driver are you using, and where did you get it from? And has it so far resolved your problem? I asked Creative tech support about obtaining an older device driver, but they were unable to accomodate.
Did you do a "!analyze -v"?
Got the following information when using the Windbg tool:
Note: Using P4 with Hyperthreading enabled.
Quote:
Processor 1
POOL_ADDRESS: 85802f08 Nonpaged pool
FREED_POOL_TAG: Wdm
BUGCHECK_STR: 0xc2_7_Wdm
DEFAULT_BUCKET_ID: DRIVER_FAULT
LAST_CONTROL_TRANSFER: from 0db2e448 to 0da9bc90
FOLLOWUP_NAME: MachineOwner
SYMBOL_NAME: trinity!TriQuaternionRotationArc+18250
Processor 2
POOL_ADDRESS: 85802f08 Nonpaged pool
FREED_POOL_TAG: Wdm
BUGCHECK_STR: 0xc2_7_Wdm
DEFAULT_BUCKET_ID: DRIVER_FAULT
LAST_CONTROL_TRANSFER: from 80552fc8 to 80537832
SYMBOL_STACK_INDEX: 3
FOLLOWUP_NAME: MachineOwner
SYMBOL_NAME: ctoss2k+646b
MODULE_NAME: ctoss2k
IMAGE_NAME: ctoss2k.sys
Some good news is that my tech. petition has been sent to a dev in order to look more closely on this.
At the moment I am using the Creative Sound Blaster Audigy 2 WHQL v3.83 (Windows 2000/XP)-driver. It seems to work well.
N.A.G.A Corp | NAGAmazon
|
Delc
|
Posted - 2004.09.13 16:03:00 -
[66]
Edited by: Delc on 13/09/2004 16:10:52
Originally by: XD Trotter
BTW, Delc, which Audigy 2 driver are you using, and where did you get it from? And has it so far resolved your problem? I asked Creative tech support about obtaining an older device driver, but they were unable to accomodate.
Did you do a "!analyze -v"?
Got the following information when using the Windbg tool:
Note: Using P4 with Hyperthreading enabled.
Quote:
Processor 1
POOL_ADDRESS: 85802f08 Nonpaged pool
FREED_POOL_TAG: Wdm
BUGCHECK_STR: 0xc2_7_Wdm
DEFAULT_BUCKET_ID: DRIVER_FAULT
LAST_CONTROL_TRANSFER: from 0db2e448 to 0da9bc90
FOLLOWUP_NAME: MachineOwner
SYMBOL_NAME: trinity!TriQuaternionRotationArc+18250
Processor 2
POOL_ADDRESS: 85802f08 Nonpaged pool
FREED_POOL_TAG: Wdm
BUGCHECK_STR: 0xc2_7_Wdm
DEFAULT_BUCKET_ID: DRIVER_FAULT
LAST_CONTROL_TRANSFER: from 80552fc8 to 80537832
SYMBOL_STACK_INDEX: 3
FOLLOWUP_NAME: MachineOwner
SYMBOL_NAME: ctoss2k+646b
MODULE_NAME: ctoss2k
IMAGE_NAME: ctoss2k.sys
Some good news is that my tech. petition has been sent to a dev in order to look more closely on this.
At the moment I am using the Creative Sound Blaster Audigy 2 WHQL v3.83 (Windows 2000/XP)-driver. It seems to work well.
N.A.G.A Corp | NAGAmazon
|
Delc
|
Posted - 2004.09.13 16:03:00 -
[67]
Edited by: Delc on 13/09/2004 16:10:52
Originally by: XD Trotter
BTW, Delc, which Audigy 2 driver are you using, and where did you get it from? And has it so far resolved your problem? I asked Creative tech support about obtaining an older device driver, but they were unable to accomodate.
Did you do a "!analyze -v"?
Got the following information when using the Windbg tool:
Note: Using P4 with Hyperthreading enabled.
Quote:
Processor 1
POOL_ADDRESS: 85802f08 Nonpaged pool
FREED_POOL_TAG: Wdm
BUGCHECK_STR: 0xc2_7_Wdm
DEFAULT_BUCKET_ID: DRIVER_FAULT
LAST_CONTROL_TRANSFER: from 0db2e448 to 0da9bc90
FOLLOWUP_NAME: MachineOwner
SYMBOL_NAME: trinity!TriQuaternionRotationArc+18250
Processor 2
POOL_ADDRESS: 85802f08 Nonpaged pool
FREED_POOL_TAG: Wdm
BUGCHECK_STR: 0xc2_7_Wdm
DEFAULT_BUCKET_ID: DRIVER_FAULT
LAST_CONTROL_TRANSFER: from 80552fc8 to 80537832
SYMBOL_STACK_INDEX: 3
FOLLOWUP_NAME: MachineOwner
SYMBOL_NAME: ctoss2k+646b
MODULE_NAME: ctoss2k
IMAGE_NAME: ctoss2k.sys
Some good news is that my tech. petition has been sent to a dev in order to look more closely on this.
At the moment I am using the Creative Sound Blaster Audigy 2 WHQL v3.83 (Windows 2000/XP)-driver. It seems to work well.
N.A.G.A Corp | NAGAmazon
|
Delc
DarkStar 1
|
Posted - 2004.09.13 16:03:00 -
[68]
Edited by: Delc on 13/09/2004 16:10:52
Originally by: XD Trotter
BTW, Delc, which Audigy 2 driver are you using, and where did you get it from? And has it so far resolved your problem? I asked Creative tech support about obtaining an older device driver, but they were unable to accomodate.
Did you do a "!analyze -v"?
Got the following information when using the Windbg tool:
Note: Using P4 with Hyperthreading enabled.
Quote:
Processor 1
POOL_ADDRESS: 85802f08 Nonpaged pool
FREED_POOL_TAG: Wdm
BUGCHECK_STR: 0xc2_7_Wdm
DEFAULT_BUCKET_ID: DRIVER_FAULT
LAST_CONTROL_TRANSFER: from 0db2e448 to 0da9bc90
FOLLOWUP_NAME: MachineOwner
SYMBOL_NAME: trinity!TriQuaternionRotationArc+18250
Processor 2
POOL_ADDRESS: 85802f08 Nonpaged pool
FREED_POOL_TAG: Wdm
BUGCHECK_STR: 0xc2_7_Wdm
DEFAULT_BUCKET_ID: DRIVER_FAULT
LAST_CONTROL_TRANSFER: from 80552fc8 to 80537832
SYMBOL_STACK_INDEX: 3
FOLLOWUP_NAME: MachineOwner
SYMBOL_NAME: ctoss2k+646b
MODULE_NAME: ctoss2k
IMAGE_NAME: ctoss2k.sys
Some good news is that my tech. petition has been sent to a dev in order to look more closely on this.
At the moment I am using the Creative Sound Blaster Audigy 2 WHQL v3.83 (Windows 2000/XP)-driver. It seems to work well.
N.A.G.A Corp | NAGAmazon
|
XD Trotter
|
Posted - 2004.09.13 19:00:00 -
[69]
Delc,
why I try I get this
Quote:
kd> !analyse - v
No export analyse found
Perhaps I'm using it wrong. Any advice?
Andy
|
XD Trotter
|
Posted - 2004.09.13 19:00:00 -
[70]
Delc,
why I try I get this
Quote:
kd> !analyse - v
No export analyse found
Perhaps I'm using it wrong. Any advice?
Andy
|
XD Trotter
|
Posted - 2004.09.13 19:00:00 -
[71]
Delc,
why I try I get this
Quote:
kd> !analyse - v
No export analyse found
Perhaps I'm using it wrong. Any advice?
Andy
|
XD Trotter
|
Posted - 2004.09.13 19:00:00 -
[72]
Delc,
why I try I get this
Quote:
kd> !analyse - v
No export analyse found
Perhaps I'm using it wrong. Any advice?
Andy
|
Delc
|
Posted - 2004.09.13 20:57:00 -
[73]
Originally by: XD Trotter
Delc,
why I try I get this
Quote:
kd> !analyse - v
No export analyse found
Perhaps I'm using it wrong. Any advice?
Andy
You have to save the work because the graphical debugg tool cleans the memory.dmp when using the tool .
N.A.G.A Corp | NAGAmazon
|
Delc
|
Posted - 2004.09.13 20:57:00 -
[74]
Originally by: XD Trotter
Delc,
why I try I get this
Quote:
kd> !analyse - v
No export analyse found
Perhaps I'm using it wrong. Any advice?
Andy
You have to save the work because the graphical debugg tool cleans the memory.dmp when using the tool .
N.A.G.A Corp | NAGAmazon
|
Delc
|
Posted - 2004.09.13 20:57:00 -
[75]
Originally by: XD Trotter
Delc,
why I try I get this
Quote:
kd> !analyse - v
No export analyse found
Perhaps I'm using it wrong. Any advice?
Andy
You have to save the work because the graphical debugg tool cleans the memory.dmp when using the tool .
N.A.G.A Corp | NAGAmazon
|
Delc
DarkStar 1
|
Posted - 2004.09.13 20:57:00 -
[76]
Originally by: XD Trotter
Delc,
why I try I get this
Quote:
kd> !analyse - v
No export analyse found
Perhaps I'm using it wrong. Any advice?
Andy
You have to save the work because the graphical debugg tool cleans the memory.dmp when using the tool .
N.A.G.A Corp | NAGAmazon
|
XD Trotter
|
Posted - 2004.09.13 21:20:00 -
[77]
D'oh!
Ok, must remeber, when using programs from USA to use USA spelling, and not UK...
Right. This is what I get.
Quote:
FOLLOWUP_IP:
ctoss2k+646b
f726146b 33c0 xor eax,eax
SYMBOL_STACK_INDEX: 3
FOLLOWUP_NAME: MachineOwner
SYMBOL_NAME: ctoss2k+646b
MODULE_NAME: ctoss2k
IMAGE_NAME: ctoss2k.sys
DEBUG_FLR_IMAGE_TIMESTAMP: 3f837138
STACK_COMMAND: kb
BUCKET_ID: 0xc2_7_Wdm__ctoss2k+646b
So, nowt to do with trinity, but defo pointing at Creative EAX drivers.
Only problem is....creative are 100% denying any responsability so far....
As a side note, having edited one of my perf.ini settings to add audio=0, so far *fingers crossed* no crashes yet, and not using compatability mode in either client.
Also using latest creative drivers rather than the ones you linked Delc.
It's still not ideal as it means I can't hear the ship sounds of the other client, but no crashes and a damn slight less laggy.
Andy
|
XD Trotter
|
Posted - 2004.09.13 21:20:00 -
[78]
D'oh!
Ok, must remeber, when using programs from USA to use USA spelling, and not UK...
Right. This is what I get.
Quote:
FOLLOWUP_IP:
ctoss2k+646b
f726146b 33c0 xor eax,eax
SYMBOL_STACK_INDEX: 3
FOLLOWUP_NAME: MachineOwner
SYMBOL_NAME: ctoss2k+646b
MODULE_NAME: ctoss2k
IMAGE_NAME: ctoss2k.sys
DEBUG_FLR_IMAGE_TIMESTAMP: 3f837138
STACK_COMMAND: kb
BUCKET_ID: 0xc2_7_Wdm__ctoss2k+646b
So, nowt to do with trinity, but defo pointing at Creative EAX drivers.
Only problem is....creative are 100% denying any responsability so far....
As a side note, having edited one of my perf.ini settings to add audio=0, so far *fingers crossed* no crashes yet, and not using compatability mode in either client.
Also using latest creative drivers rather than the ones you linked Delc.
It's still not ideal as it means I can't hear the ship sounds of the other client, but no crashes and a damn slight less laggy.
Andy
|
XD Trotter
|
Posted - 2004.09.13 21:20:00 -
[79]
D'oh!
Ok, must remeber, when using programs from USA to use USA spelling, and not UK...
Right. This is what I get.
Quote:
FOLLOWUP_IP:
ctoss2k+646b
f726146b 33c0 xor eax,eax
SYMBOL_STACK_INDEX: 3
FOLLOWUP_NAME: MachineOwner
SYMBOL_NAME: ctoss2k+646b
MODULE_NAME: ctoss2k
IMAGE_NAME: ctoss2k.sys
DEBUG_FLR_IMAGE_TIMESTAMP: 3f837138
STACK_COMMAND: kb
BUCKET_ID: 0xc2_7_Wdm__ctoss2k+646b
So, nowt to do with trinity, but defo pointing at Creative EAX drivers.
Only problem is....creative are 100% denying any responsability so far....
As a side note, having edited one of my perf.ini settings to add audio=0, so far *fingers crossed* no crashes yet, and not using compatability mode in either client.
Also using latest creative drivers rather than the ones you linked Delc.
It's still not ideal as it means I can't hear the ship sounds of the other client, but no crashes and a damn slight less laggy.
Andy
|
XD Trotter
|
Posted - 2004.09.13 21:20:00 -
[80]
D'oh!
Ok, must remeber, when using programs from USA to use USA spelling, and not UK...
Right. This is what I get.
Quote:
FOLLOWUP_IP:
ctoss2k+646b
f726146b 33c0 xor eax,eax
SYMBOL_STACK_INDEX: 3
FOLLOWUP_NAME: MachineOwner
SYMBOL_NAME: ctoss2k+646b
MODULE_NAME: ctoss2k
IMAGE_NAME: ctoss2k.sys
DEBUG_FLR_IMAGE_TIMESTAMP: 3f837138
STACK_COMMAND: kb
BUCKET_ID: 0xc2_7_Wdm__ctoss2k+646b
So, nowt to do with trinity, but defo pointing at Creative EAX drivers.
Only problem is....creative are 100% denying any responsability so far....
As a side note, having edited one of my perf.ini settings to add audio=0, so far *fingers crossed* no crashes yet, and not using compatability mode in either client.
Also using latest creative drivers rather than the ones you linked Delc.
It's still not ideal as it means I can't hear the ship sounds of the other client, but no crashes and a damn slight less laggy.
Andy
|
Delc
|
Posted - 2004.09.13 21:26:00 -
[81]
XD Trotter, can you open EAX Console with your current setup?
N.A.G.A Corp | NAGAmazon
|
Delc
|
Posted - 2004.09.13 21:26:00 -
[82]
XD Trotter, can you open EAX Console with your current setup?
N.A.G.A Corp | NAGAmazon
|
Delc
|
Posted - 2004.09.13 21:26:00 -
[83]
XD Trotter, can you open EAX Console with your current setup?
N.A.G.A Corp | NAGAmazon
|
Delc
DarkStar 1
|
Posted - 2004.09.13 21:26:00 -
[84]
XD Trotter, can you open EAX Console with your current setup?
N.A.G.A Corp | NAGAmazon
|
XD Trotter
|
Posted - 2004.09.13 21:52:00 -
[85]
Yes, I can.
What you got in mind?
Andy
|
XD Trotter
|
Posted - 2004.09.13 21:52:00 -
[86]
Yes, I can.
What you got in mind?
Andy
|
XD Trotter
|
Posted - 2004.09.13 21:52:00 -
[87]
Yes, I can.
What you got in mind?
Andy
|
XD Trotter
|
Posted - 2004.09.13 21:52:00 -
[88]
Yes, I can.
What you got in mind?
Andy
|
Delc
|
Posted - 2004.09.14 10:20:00 -
[89]
Just thinking if it was the EAX-sound effects.
N.A.G.A Corp | NAGAmazon
|
Delc
|
Posted - 2004.09.14 10:20:00 -
[90]
Just thinking if it was the EAX-sound effects.
N.A.G.A Corp | NAGAmazon
|
Delc
|
Posted - 2004.09.14 10:20:00 -
[91]
Just thinking if it was the EAX-sound effects.
N.A.G.A Corp | NAGAmazon
|
Delc
DarkStar 1
|
Posted - 2004.09.14 10:20:00 -
[92]
Just thinking if it was the EAX-sound effects.
N.A.G.A Corp | NAGAmazon
|
XD Trotter
|
Posted - 2004.09.14 10:44:00 -
[93]
Don't know, but at the moment things seems stable.
By putting the audio=0 switch into the prefs.ini file on one of my installs has so far allowed me to run two clients Eve in normal mode, using SP2 and DX9c (thats a given since SP2, huh)and all latest drivers, without problem for the last 24 hours.
Things are looking hopefull I think.
And, would firmly point in the direction of the audio drivers +- Eve +- SP2 interaction as the source of all this.
Just hope someone at EVe/Creative tech support actually does something about it.
Andy
|
XD Trotter
|
Posted - 2004.09.14 10:44:00 -
[94]
Don't know, but at the moment things seems stable.
By putting the audio=0 switch into the prefs.ini file on one of my installs has so far allowed me to run two clients Eve in normal mode, using SP2 and DX9c (thats a given since SP2, huh)and all latest drivers, without problem for the last 24 hours.
Things are looking hopefull I think.
And, would firmly point in the direction of the audio drivers +- Eve +- SP2 interaction as the source of all this.
Just hope someone at EVe/Creative tech support actually does something about it.
Andy
|
XD Trotter
|
Posted - 2004.09.14 10:44:00 -
[95]
Don't know, but at the moment things seems stable.
By putting the audio=0 switch into the prefs.ini file on one of my installs has so far allowed me to run two clients Eve in normal mode, using SP2 and DX9c (thats a given since SP2, huh)and all latest drivers, without problem for the last 24 hours.
Things are looking hopefull I think.
And, would firmly point in the direction of the audio drivers +- Eve +- SP2 interaction as the source of all this.
Just hope someone at EVe/Creative tech support actually does something about it.
Andy
|
XD Trotter
|
Posted - 2004.09.14 10:44:00 -
[96]
Don't know, but at the moment things seems stable.
By putting the audio=0 switch into the prefs.ini file on one of my installs has so far allowed me to run two clients Eve in normal mode, using SP2 and DX9c (thats a given since SP2, huh)and all latest drivers, without problem for the last 24 hours.
Things are looking hopefull I think.
And, would firmly point in the direction of the audio drivers +- Eve +- SP2 interaction as the source of all this.
Just hope someone at EVe/Creative tech support actually does something about it.
Andy
|
XD Trotter
|
Posted - 2004.09.14 11:13:00 -
[97]
Right.
Got a reply from MS. They've had a look at the debug files, and as best as they can tell at this stage, it would appear to be related to the audio drivers.
They havn't looked very deeply into this, as quite frankly it's not their problem, but at least it is *some* degree of progress.
So, that leaves CCP and Creative yet to get back with anything meaningfull helpful on this issue.
So far no word from creative at all, and I've not heard back from CCP tech support since I gave them the debug file results.
Personally, I'm amazed to have gotten a meaningfull, insightful, and helpful response from MS so quickly - less than 24 hours!
If anyone has any info from CCP or Creative regarding this specific issue, would be extremely greatful if you could post it here.
Andy
|
XD Trotter
|
Posted - 2004.09.14 11:13:00 -
[98]
Right.
Got a reply from MS. They've had a look at the debug files, and as best as they can tell at this stage, it would appear to be related to the audio drivers.
They havn't looked very deeply into this, as quite frankly it's not their problem, but at least it is *some* degree of progress.
So, that leaves CCP and Creative yet to get back with anything meaningfull helpful on this issue.
So far no word from creative at all, and I've not heard back from CCP tech support since I gave them the debug file results.
Personally, I'm amazed to have gotten a meaningfull, insightful, and helpful response from MS so quickly - less than 24 hours!
If anyone has any info from CCP or Creative regarding this specific issue, would be extremely greatful if you could post it here.
Andy
|
XD Trotter
|
Posted - 2004.09.14 11:13:00 -
[99]
Right.
Got a reply from MS. They've had a look at the debug files, and as best as they can tell at this stage, it would appear to be related to the audio drivers.
They havn't looked very deeply into this, as quite frankly it's not their problem, but at least it is *some* degree of progress.
So, that leaves CCP and Creative yet to get back with anything meaningfull helpful on this issue.
So far no word from creative at all, and I've not heard back from CCP tech support since I gave them the debug file results.
Personally, I'm amazed to have gotten a meaningfull, insightful, and helpful response from MS so quickly - less than 24 hours!
If anyone has any info from CCP or Creative regarding this specific issue, would be extremely greatful if you could post it here.
Andy
|
XD Trotter
|
Posted - 2004.09.14 11:13:00 -
[100]
Right.
Got a reply from MS. They've had a look at the debug files, and as best as they can tell at this stage, it would appear to be related to the audio drivers.
They havn't looked very deeply into this, as quite frankly it's not their problem, but at least it is *some* degree of progress.
So, that leaves CCP and Creative yet to get back with anything meaningfull helpful on this issue.
So far no word from creative at all, and I've not heard back from CCP tech support since I gave them the debug file results.
Personally, I'm amazed to have gotten a meaningfull, insightful, and helpful response from MS so quickly - less than 24 hours!
If anyone has any info from CCP or Creative regarding this specific issue, would be extremely greatful if you could post it here.
Andy
|
Sister Immacolata
|
Posted - 2004.09.16 20:10:00 -
[101]
Im here to add some detail.
I've had the problem with Eve prior to SP2 but after DX 9.0c. I've got an Audigy with the latest drivers. I think the dog lies buried in DX 9.0c and Creatives POS-drivers (they have ALWAYS made crap drivers).
. . . Awaiting more and hi-bit rate music - with bated breath ... |
Sister Immacolata
|
Posted - 2004.09.16 20:10:00 -
[102]
Im here to add some detail.
I've had the problem with Eve prior to SP2 but after DX 9.0c. I've got an Audigy with the latest drivers. I think the dog lies buried in DX 9.0c and Creatives POS-drivers (they have ALWAYS made crap drivers).
. . . Awaiting more and hi-bit rate music - with bated breath ... |
Sister Immacolata
|
Posted - 2004.09.16 20:10:00 -
[103]
Im here to add some detail.
I've had the problem with Eve prior to SP2 but after DX 9.0c. I've got an Audigy with the latest drivers. I think the dog lies buried in DX 9.0c and Creatives POS-drivers (they have ALWAYS made crap drivers).
. . . Awaiting more and hi-bit rate music - with bated breath ... |
Sister Immacolata
|
Posted - 2004.09.16 20:10:00 -
[104]
Im here to add some detail.
I've had the problem with Eve prior to SP2 but after DX 9.0c. I've got an Audigy with the latest drivers. I think the dog lies buried in DX 9.0c and Creatives POS-drivers (they have ALWAYS made crap drivers).
. . . Awaiting more and hi-bit rate music - with bated breath ... |
Sister Immacolata
|
Posted - 2004.09.21 10:34:00 -
[105]
Have a bit of info to add:
Knocking Audigy hardware acceleration down one notch has removed the many eve crashes I experienced. I still suspect DirectX 9.0c as playing apart, apart from the obvious fact that creative wouldn't know a properly designed sound card even if it came up and offered itself to them for free.
. . . Awaiting more and hi-bit rate music - with bated breath ... |
Sister Immacolata
|
Posted - 2004.09.21 10:34:00 -
[106]
Have a bit of info to add:
Knocking Audigy hardware acceleration down one notch has removed the many eve crashes I experienced. I still suspect DirectX 9.0c as playing apart, apart from the obvious fact that creative wouldn't know a properly designed sound card even if it came up and offered itself to them for free.
. . . Awaiting more and hi-bit rate music - with bated breath ... |
Sister Immacolata
|
Posted - 2004.09.21 10:34:00 -
[107]
Have a bit of info to add:
Knocking Audigy hardware acceleration down one notch has removed the many eve crashes I experienced. I still suspect DirectX 9.0c as playing apart, apart from the obvious fact that creative wouldn't know a properly designed sound card even if it came up and offered itself to them for free.
. . . Awaiting more and hi-bit rate music - with bated breath ... |
Sister Immacolata
|
Posted - 2004.09.21 10:34:00 -
[108]
Have a bit of info to add:
Knocking Audigy hardware acceleration down one notch has removed the many eve crashes I experienced. I still suspect DirectX 9.0c as playing apart, apart from the obvious fact that creative wouldn't know a properly designed sound card even if it came up and offered itself to them for free.
. . . Awaiting more and hi-bit rate music - with bated breath ... |
XD Trotter
|
Posted - 2004.09.24 15:18:00 -
[109]
Thanks for the info Sister!
I'm currently in New York, so can't follow your advice to check it at the moment.
Still waiting on a response from Creative regarding this issue, but I can say that MS believe it to be an issue with the creative drivers, and put it down to tighter programming in SP2 (or DX9c)highlighting errors in the Creative driver coding and so stopping at them, where as under SP1/DX9b these were ignored or un-noticed.
As I said, Creative have said nothing. Hopefully CCP can persuade them to take a look at this, if CCP can verify for themselves that this is an issue, and the source lies with the Creative Drivers.
Whilst I believe we need info on workarounds in order to be able to play the game at the moment, I absolutely believe that we should be pushing for a solution to this issue, as why should we have to handicap our expensive hardware just to get it to play the game, when we SHOULD be able to have all the bells and whistles working. That's what we paid for after all.
And reducing hardware acceleration is essentially doing just that. ITs a troubleshooting thing to cover up sloppy programming.
Anyway, here's hoping for a solution soon-ish.
Andy
|
XD Trotter
|
Posted - 2004.09.24 15:18:00 -
[110]
Thanks for the info Sister!
I'm currently in New York, so can't follow your advice to check it at the moment.
Still waiting on a response from Creative regarding this issue, but I can say that MS believe it to be an issue with the creative drivers, and put it down to tighter programming in SP2 (or DX9c)highlighting errors in the Creative driver coding and so stopping at them, where as under SP1/DX9b these were ignored or un-noticed.
As I said, Creative have said nothing. Hopefully CCP can persuade them to take a look at this, if CCP can verify for themselves that this is an issue, and the source lies with the Creative Drivers.
Whilst I believe we need info on workarounds in order to be able to play the game at the moment, I absolutely believe that we should be pushing for a solution to this issue, as why should we have to handicap our expensive hardware just to get it to play the game, when we SHOULD be able to have all the bells and whistles working. That's what we paid for after all.
And reducing hardware acceleration is essentially doing just that. ITs a troubleshooting thing to cover up sloppy programming.
Anyway, here's hoping for a solution soon-ish.
Andy
|
XD Trotter
|
Posted - 2004.09.24 15:18:00 -
[111]
Thanks for the info Sister!
I'm currently in New York, so can't follow your advice to check it at the moment.
Still waiting on a response from Creative regarding this issue, but I can say that MS believe it to be an issue with the creative drivers, and put it down to tighter programming in SP2 (or DX9c)highlighting errors in the Creative driver coding and so stopping at them, where as under SP1/DX9b these were ignored or un-noticed.
As I said, Creative have said nothing. Hopefully CCP can persuade them to take a look at this, if CCP can verify for themselves that this is an issue, and the source lies with the Creative Drivers.
Whilst I believe we need info on workarounds in order to be able to play the game at the moment, I absolutely believe that we should be pushing for a solution to this issue, as why should we have to handicap our expensive hardware just to get it to play the game, when we SHOULD be able to have all the bells and whistles working. That's what we paid for after all.
And reducing hardware acceleration is essentially doing just that. ITs a troubleshooting thing to cover up sloppy programming.
Anyway, here's hoping for a solution soon-ish.
Andy
|
XD Trotter
|
Posted - 2004.09.24 15:18:00 -
[112]
Thanks for the info Sister!
I'm currently in New York, so can't follow your advice to check it at the moment.
Still waiting on a response from Creative regarding this issue, but I can say that MS believe it to be an issue with the creative drivers, and put it down to tighter programming in SP2 (or DX9c)highlighting errors in the Creative driver coding and so stopping at them, where as under SP1/DX9b these were ignored or un-noticed.
As I said, Creative have said nothing. Hopefully CCP can persuade them to take a look at this, if CCP can verify for themselves that this is an issue, and the source lies with the Creative Drivers.
Whilst I believe we need info on workarounds in order to be able to play the game at the moment, I absolutely believe that we should be pushing for a solution to this issue, as why should we have to handicap our expensive hardware just to get it to play the game, when we SHOULD be able to have all the bells and whistles working. That's what we paid for after all.
And reducing hardware acceleration is essentially doing just that. ITs a troubleshooting thing to cover up sloppy programming.
Anyway, here's hoping for a solution soon-ish.
Andy
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Whitestar1
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Posted - 2004.09.24 20:45:00 -
[113]
ok im having the same problem as you when I completely turned off the DEP in sp2 I could play for about 6 hours (rather than 5 mins) but it still crashes. I have just dropped the hardware acceleration down 1 notch so I will see how that gets on and I have gone back from the latest creative drivers to 5.12.2.252 so hopefully that might make a difference.
But my question is where in the perf.ini is the audio option cause I cant see it. Also I am right in thinking that people are talking about the perf.ini file that's in the cache folder.
We live for the one we die for the one |
Whitestar1
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Posted - 2004.09.24 20:45:00 -
[114]
ok im having the same problem as you when I completely turned off the DEP in sp2 I could play for about 6 hours (rather than 5 mins) but it still crashes. I have just dropped the hardware acceleration down 1 notch so I will see how that gets on and I have gone back from the latest creative drivers to 5.12.2.252 so hopefully that might make a difference.
But my question is where in the perf.ini is the audio option cause I cant see it. Also I am right in thinking that people are talking about the perf.ini file that's in the cache folder.
We live for the one we die for the one |
Whitestar1
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Posted - 2004.09.24 20:45:00 -
[115]
ok im having the same problem as you when I completely turned off the DEP in sp2 I could play for about 6 hours (rather than 5 mins) but it still crashes. I have just dropped the hardware acceleration down 1 notch so I will see how that gets on and I have gone back from the latest creative drivers to 5.12.2.252 so hopefully that might make a difference.
But my question is where in the perf.ini is the audio option cause I cant see it. Also I am right in thinking that people are talking about the perf.ini file that's in the cache folder.
We live for the one we die for the one |
Whitestar1
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2004.09.24 20:45:00 -
[116]
ok im having the same problem as you when I completely turned off the DEP in sp2 I could play for about 6 hours (rather than 5 mins) but it still crashes. I have just dropped the hardware acceleration down 1 notch so I will see how that gets on and I have gone back from the latest creative drivers to 5.12.2.252 so hopefully that might make a difference.
But my question is where in the perf.ini is the audio option cause I cant see it. Also I am right in thinking that people are talking about the perf.ini file that's in the cache folder.
We live for the one we die for the one |
XD Trotter
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Posted - 2004.09.27 09:43:00 -
[117]
the file is called PREFS.INI, and yes, it is in the Cache folder.
You *may* need to turn off the options to hide system files (open one of your HDD's in explorer, find the settings under 'Tools', 'Folder Options', 'View', 'Hidden files and folders', and check the box for 'Show hidden files and folders', and also uncheck the setting for 'hide protected operating system files (recommended)'.
That should allow you to see the prefs.ini file in explorer so you can load it into notepad and edit it.
I also tried disabling DEP, but with no noticable benefit.
Andy
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XD Trotter
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Posted - 2004.09.27 09:43:00 -
[118]
the file is called PREFS.INI, and yes, it is in the Cache folder.
You *may* need to turn off the options to hide system files (open one of your HDD's in explorer, find the settings under 'Tools', 'Folder Options', 'View', 'Hidden files and folders', and check the box for 'Show hidden files and folders', and also uncheck the setting for 'hide protected operating system files (recommended)'.
That should allow you to see the prefs.ini file in explorer so you can load it into notepad and edit it.
I also tried disabling DEP, but with no noticable benefit.
Andy
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XD Trotter
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Posted - 2004.09.27 09:43:00 -
[119]
the file is called PREFS.INI, and yes, it is in the Cache folder.
You *may* need to turn off the options to hide system files (open one of your HDD's in explorer, find the settings under 'Tools', 'Folder Options', 'View', 'Hidden files and folders', and check the box for 'Show hidden files and folders', and also uncheck the setting for 'hide protected operating system files (recommended)'.
That should allow you to see the prefs.ini file in explorer so you can load it into notepad and edit it.
I also tried disabling DEP, but with no noticable benefit.
Andy
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XD Trotter
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Posted - 2004.09.27 09:43:00 -
[120]
the file is called PREFS.INI, and yes, it is in the Cache folder.
You *may* need to turn off the options to hide system files (open one of your HDD's in explorer, find the settings under 'Tools', 'Folder Options', 'View', 'Hidden files and folders', and check the box for 'Show hidden files and folders', and also uncheck the setting for 'hide protected operating system files (recommended)'.
That should allow you to see the prefs.ini file in explorer so you can load it into notepad and edit it.
I also tried disabling DEP, but with no noticable benefit.
Andy
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Kular
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Posted - 2004.09.29 05:05:00 -
[121]
Alright I've been having the same Probs as you all have.
I have tryed the Compatability fix, and Un-installed SP2. Still crashed on me!
I run them fine as long as both chars are in space or docked and not moving. I am thinking its a graphics card prob as well.
I run
Atholon XP 2800
GeForce FX 5200
1 Gig 2700 ddr Ram
SB Audigy
Windows XP Pro now using SP1
I might try a complete re-install over the weekend and not upgrade to sp2 see what that does.
Home of Ubiqua Seraph
Eve's only all Sarum loyal corporation. |
Kular
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Posted - 2004.09.29 05:05:00 -
[122]
Alright I've been having the same Probs as you all have.
I have tryed the Compatability fix, and Un-installed SP2. Still crashed on me!
I run them fine as long as both chars are in space or docked and not moving. I am thinking its a graphics card prob as well.
I run
Atholon XP 2800
GeForce FX 5200
1 Gig 2700 ddr Ram
SB Audigy
Windows XP Pro now using SP1
I might try a complete re-install over the weekend and not upgrade to sp2 see what that does.
Home of Ubiqua Seraph
Eve's only all Sarum loyal corporation. |
Kular
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Posted - 2004.09.29 05:05:00 -
[123]
Alright I've been having the same Probs as you all have.
I have tryed the Compatability fix, and Un-installed SP2. Still crashed on me!
I run them fine as long as both chars are in space or docked and not moving. I am thinking its a graphics card prob as well.
I run
Atholon XP 2800
GeForce FX 5200
1 Gig 2700 ddr Ram
SB Audigy
Windows XP Pro now using SP1
I might try a complete re-install over the weekend and not upgrade to sp2 see what that does.
www.AegisMilitia.com
For God, Empire, and Sarum! |
Kular
Amarr
Ubiqua Seraph
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Posted - 2004.09.29 05:05:00 -
[124]
Alright I've been having the same Probs as you all have.
I have tryed the Compatability fix, and Un-installed SP2. Still crashed on me!
I run them fine as long as both chars are in space or docked and not moving. I am thinking its a graphics card prob as well.
I run
Atholon XP 2800
GeForce FX 5200
1 Gig 2700 ddr Ram
SB Audigy
Windows XP Pro now using SP1
I might try a complete re-install over the weekend and not upgrade to sp2 see what that does.
www.AegisMilitia.com
For God, Empire, and Sarum! |
R3dSh1ft
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Posted - 2004.10.01 16:54:00 -
[125]
This 2 Eve crash happened to me loads, and I decided not to bother running two eves..
However some other interesting point I would like confirmed by another user...
when using the latest Official drivers for the Audigy 2 ZS from Creative..
If I try to start the game while EAX sound is turned on (I like the acoustic settings for rocking out with :P) I get almost no sounds in EVE...
Also, once I have started EVE and closed it (having had EAX turned off beforehand) the EAX settings are absent... IE I can enable EAX but there are no options available, and attempting to load the Graphic Equalizer prompts the creative helper to inform me that "The creative device this application controls could not be found".... Logging off and on will not solve this and i need to reboot before i can reach the Equalizer or see any EAX options...
To me this indicates that EVE has some specialised method of interacting with a multitude of hardware via some emulation process, and that EVE does not properly restore Creative's control back over the device, and perhaps it indicates that EVE's sound code needs to be redesigned...
SPECS:
XP Home SP2
P4 2.4 @ 800Mhz FSB (HT Enabled)
1.5 Gig Ram
Audigy 2 ZS
ABIT Mainboard
Bringing death to pirates since 2004 ® |
R3dSh1ft
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Posted - 2004.10.01 16:54:00 -
[126]
This 2 Eve crash happened to me loads, and I decided not to bother running two eves..
However some other interesting point I would like confirmed by another user...
when using the latest Official drivers for the Audigy 2 ZS from Creative..
If I try to start the game while EAX sound is turned on (I like the acoustic settings for rocking out with :P) I get almost no sounds in EVE...
Also, once I have started EVE and closed it (having had EAX turned off beforehand) the EAX settings are absent... IE I can enable EAX but there are no options available, and attempting to load the Graphic Equalizer prompts the creative helper to inform me that "The creative device this application controls could not be found".... Logging off and on will not solve this and i need to reboot before i can reach the Equalizer or see any EAX options...
To me this indicates that EVE has some specialised method of interacting with a multitude of hardware via some emulation process, and that EVE does not properly restore Creative's control back over the device, and perhaps it indicates that EVE's sound code needs to be redesigned...
SPECS:
XP Home SP2
P4 2.4 @ 800Mhz FSB (HT Enabled)
1.5 Gig Ram
Audigy 2 ZS
ABIT Mainboard
___________________________________________
R3dSh1ft,
I want the same thing as every other player in EVE; fame and fortune |
R3dSh1ft
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Posted - 2004.10.01 16:54:00 -
[127]
This 2 Eve crash happened to me loads, and I decided not to bother running two eves..
However some other interesting point I would like confirmed by another user...
when using the latest Official drivers for the Audigy 2 ZS from Creative..
If I try to start the game while EAX sound is turned on (I like the acoustic settings for rocking out with :P) I get almost no sounds in EVE...
Also, once I have started EVE and closed it (having had EAX turned off beforehand) the EAX settings are absent... IE I can enable EAX but there are no options available, and attempting to load the Graphic Equalizer prompts the creative helper to inform me that "The creative device this application controls could not be found".... Logging off and on will not solve this and i need to reboot before i can reach the Equalizer or see any EAX options...
To me this indicates that EVE has some specialised method of interacting with a multitude of hardware via some emulation process, and that EVE does not properly restore Creative's control back over the device, and perhaps it indicates that EVE's sound code needs to be redesigned...
SPECS:
XP Home SP2
P4 2.4 @ 800Mhz FSB (HT Enabled)
1.5 Gig Ram
Audigy 2 ZS
ABIT Mainboard
Bringing death to pirates since 2004 ® |
R3dSh1ft
Caldari
FIRMA
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2004.10.01 16:54:00 -
[128]
This 2 Eve crash happened to me loads, and I decided not to bother running two eves..
However some other interesting point I would like confirmed by another user...
when using the latest Official drivers for the Audigy 2 ZS from Creative..
If I try to start the game while EAX sound is turned on (I like the acoustic settings for rocking out with :P) I get almost no sounds in EVE...
Also, once I have started EVE and closed it (having had EAX turned off beforehand) the EAX settings are absent... IE I can enable EAX but there are no options available, and attempting to load the Graphic Equalizer prompts the creative helper to inform me that "The creative device this application controls could not be found".... Logging off and on will not solve this and i need to reboot before i can reach the Equalizer or see any EAX options...
To me this indicates that EVE has some specialised method of interacting with a multitude of hardware via some emulation process, and that EVE does not properly restore Creative's control back over the device, and perhaps it indicates that EVE's sound code needs to be redesigned...
SPECS:
XP Home SP2
P4 2.4 @ 800Mhz FSB (HT Enabled)
1.5 Gig Ram
Audigy 2 ZS
ABIT Mainboard
______________________________________
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Slardibardfast
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Posted - 2004.10.03 18:01:00 -
[129]
Edited by: Slardibardfast on 03/10/2004 18:03:38
I cant believe the number of problems that creative are causing.
Just looking through this thread, all the people that are having problems ALL list creative soundcards in the system specs.
Creative needs a kick up their ****** to write drivers that dont crash and work with more than their P3 Win98 system they test them on. I ditched creative a long time ago because of problems & have never had to go back as there is always a better and more stable alternative on the shelf or web page for me to choose.
I would probably reccomend that if you can remove the creative soundcard & use either an onboard card or another soundcard (not Creative) then do so to test.
Also DEP should not affect Eve in the slightest. I run SP2 with an Athlon 64 process. DEP is set to the highest level (all programs with no exclusions) and I have no problems for hours on end.
-EDIT- Speeling
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Slardibardfast
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Posted - 2004.10.03 18:01:00 -
[130]
Edited by: Slardibardfast on 03/10/2004 18:03:38
I cant believe the number of problems that creative are causing.
Just looking through this thread, all the people that are having problems ALL list creative soundcards in the system specs.
Creative needs a kick up their ****** to write drivers that dont crash and work with more than their P3 Win98 system they test them on. I ditched creative a long time ago because of problems & have never had to go back as there is always a better and more stable alternative on the shelf or web page for me to choose.
I would probably reccomend that if you can remove the creative soundcard & use either an onboard card or another soundcard (not Creative) then do so to test.
Also DEP should not affect Eve in the slightest. I run SP2 with an Athlon 64 process. DEP is set to the highest level (all programs with no exclusions) and I have no problems for hours on end.
-EDIT- Speeling
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Slardibardfast
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Posted - 2004.10.03 18:01:00 -
[131]
Edited by: Slardibardfast on 03/10/2004 18:03:38
I cant believe the number of problems that creative are causing.
Just looking through this thread, all the people that are having problems ALL list creative soundcards in the system specs.
Creative needs a kick up their ****** to write drivers that dont crash and work with more than their P3 Win98 system they test them on. I ditched creative a long time ago because of problems & have never had to go back as there is always a better and more stable alternative on the shelf or web page for me to choose.
I would probably reccomend that if you can remove the creative soundcard & use either an onboard card or another soundcard (not Creative) then do so to test.
Also DEP should not affect Eve in the slightest. I run SP2 with an Athlon 64 process. DEP is set to the highest level (all programs with no exclusions) and I have no problems for hours on end.
-EDIT- Speeling
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Slardibardfast
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Posted - 2004.10.03 18:01:00 -
[132]
Edited by: Slardibardfast on 03/10/2004 18:03:38
I cant believe the number of problems that creative are causing.
Just looking through this thread, all the people that are having problems ALL list creative soundcards in the system specs.
Creative needs a kick up their ****** to write drivers that dont crash and work with more than their P3 Win98 system they test them on. I ditched creative a long time ago because of problems & have never had to go back as there is always a better and more stable alternative on the shelf or web page for me to choose.
I would probably reccomend that if you can remove the creative soundcard & use either an onboard card or another soundcard (not Creative) then do so to test.
Also DEP should not affect Eve in the slightest. I run SP2 with an Athlon 64 process. DEP is set to the highest level (all programs with no exclusions) and I have no problems for hours on end.
-EDIT- Speeling
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Whitestar1
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Posted - 2004.10.04 23:39:00 -
[133]
Right
I am having no more problems with it crashing all the time now I have been playing solid for 4 hour's a night and at weekend clocking up 9 hours minimal each day with no BSOD appearing. I am going to look at a different sound card soon as the last thing that I tried seems to have fixed the problem and that is turning the hardware acceleration down 1 notch on the soundcard.
As for DEP I will probably tuen that back on and see what happens then.
We live for the one we die for the one |
Whitestar1
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Posted - 2004.10.04 23:39:00 -
[134]
Right
I am having no more problems with it crashing all the time now I have been playing solid for 4 hour's a night and at weekend clocking up 9 hours minimal each day with no BSOD appearing. I am going to look at a different sound card soon as the last thing that I tried seems to have fixed the problem and that is turning the hardware acceleration down 1 notch on the soundcard.
As for DEP I will probably tuen that back on and see what happens then.
We live for the one we die for the one |
Whitestar1
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Posted - 2004.10.04 23:39:00 -
[135]
Right
I am having no more problems with it crashing all the time now I have been playing solid for 4 hour's a night and at weekend clocking up 9 hours minimal each day with no BSOD appearing. I am going to look at a different sound card soon as the last thing that I tried seems to have fixed the problem and that is turning the hardware acceleration down 1 notch on the soundcard.
As for DEP I will probably tuen that back on and see what happens then.
We live for the one we die for the one |
Whitestar1
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2004.10.04 23:39:00 -
[136]
Right
I am having no more problems with it crashing all the time now I have been playing solid for 4 hour's a night and at weekend clocking up 9 hours minimal each day with no BSOD appearing. I am going to look at a different sound card soon as the last thing that I tried seems to have fixed the problem and that is turning the hardware acceleration down 1 notch on the soundcard.
As for DEP I will probably tuen that back on and see what happens then.
We live for the one we die for the one |
Drogisdra
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Posted - 2006.04.12 17:47:00 -
[137]
I just baught my second account, and after about 3 days of playing, I got my first one of these bad_pool crashes.
Its strange that these posts stopped in 2004, was a fix found? New drivers? Some new info on this would be nice.
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Grez
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Posted - 2006.04.13 07:31:00 -
[138]
You can't run two accounts with sound on. Crashes the machine or the clients :).
Turn off sound, and it'll probably work fine.
- Grez
Corp: www.ravenwarriors.com |
Catavari Swift
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Posted - 2006.04.13 22:14:00 -
[139]
So to play 2 accounts, I'll need either shut off the sound on my main install to play 2 clients off it. Or I'll have to install a second client and set THAT one to sound-off. Those are the only two things that work?
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Grez
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Posted - 2006.04.14 03:11:00 -
[140]
Set both to off apparently, my CEO crashes when he runs both, and I do too.
Corp: www.ravenwarriors.com |
Kansuke
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Posted - 2006.04.25 08:50:00 -
[141]
Edited by: Kansuke on 25/04/2006 08:54:50
Sorry to rake up an old thread, was just searching through google to see if I could find a fix for this issue (only started playing 5 days ago). My system is as follows:
P4 3.2ghz
Enermax 550w PSU (Rails Solid)
1gb Corsair 2-2-2-5 3200 mem
250gb SATA Maxtor Diamond9
Asus P4C800-E-Deluxe
XFX 7800GS AGP
No soundcard - Using USB Medussa 5.1 Headset
I am having the same BSOD issues, getting BAD_POOL BSOD ot the 0xC2 errors and the system reboots. I have ran memory tests all fine, PSU rails are solid, cpu is cool, case temps are fine etc. I have disabled the sound and still getting this issue. I have noticed everyone has the Creative cards but I don't use a creative card.
Has there ever been a fix found for this issue?
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Miniver Cheevy
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2007.01.05 21:42:00 -
[142]
Originally by: Grez
You can't run two accounts with sound on. Crashes the machine or the clients :).
Turn off sound, and it'll probably work fine.
- Grez
Actually, I've been playing since mid-2004 and picked up my second account late in '04 with no problems running them both with sound on. Fast forward... I was gone for 8 months in '06, I come back to the country in November, update all the drivers and such on the same old system I've had (SP2, Audigy 2), and suddenly I can't run two clients with the sound on. I've been getting the same BSOD pointing the finger at the Creative "ha10kx2k.sys" driver that other people have mentioned and found this thread via Google. You're right about running with the sound off on one client, or turning off hardware acceleration seems to allow both clients to run with the sound on (neither being an ideal situation).
I'm wondering why I never saw this before... the old part of this thread died off just before I picked up my second, problem free account in 2004 so it would seem somebody (Creative? CCP?) fixed something around that time. Now they've done gone and broke it again or accidentally rolled back the fix? |
Talthrus
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.01.28 22:28:00 -
[143]
I'm starting to have the same problem now being logged onto the test server and TQ at the same time. It will BSOD docked or not. I haven't tested turning off sounds on both clients but will do so soon.
I've been able to run two characters on TQ just fine for a while - hopefully CCP hasn't goofed something up. I will be submitting a bug report.
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