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Hertford
Ars ex Discordia
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.05.08 13:14:00 -
[91]
 Originally by: CCP Mephysto
My apologies for a late reply (dentist ftl  ).
If you open the control panel on your pc, after starting a download (and thus installing the Pando daemon), you'll find an icon that will allow configuration of the pando system, such as setting port and limiting upload speeds.
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Von Kapiche
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.05.08 13:22:00 -
[92]
Will be uninstalled immediately, and if that means no Eve, then that means I cancel. No thank you.
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StyweBal
M. Corp
Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2009.05.08 13:27:00 -
[93]
Direct HHTP download for me or no download at all.
And def NO sharing of any kind will be done from my machine, thank you. 
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Nakuda
Gallente
Adventurers
Matari Visionary Coalition
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Posted - 2009.05.08 13:31:00 -
[94]
I must ask what's the problem with Blizzard style downloader? My understanding is that it is just an .exe file that has the same features as the Pando software without the need to install it as background service.
After you are done downloading you just keep it on if you want to help seed the file or close it if you don't want it leeching your bandwith. This way you do get the p2p bandwith boost to downloads right after the release of the file.
Of course it also means that most people will close the program soon after the download finishes, but that's what the http backup is for?
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Vak'ran
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Posted - 2009.05.08 13:39:00 -
[95]
Obligatory installation of a deamon p2p program is unacceptable. I want to download the patch, and just download the patch. If I want to share it with other people I will only do this on my own terms (i.e. a normal torrent I would probably seed for a while), I will however not be put in a position where i would be required to do so. If these are the new terms of the service you provide, I will no longer be a customer of that service.
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xSnowwhitex
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Posted - 2009.05.08 13:43:00 -
[96]
Originally by: CCP Mephysto
Link is here (only on Windows atm, working on Mac) http://www.eveonline.com/download/?s=singularity
And as I stated, this will not replace the existing BITS downloader we use, but will become an option for those that choose to use it.
im downloading it now then im adding it to quarantine and submitting it to symantic as malware if it doesn't ask my permission before installing and if it damages my computer e.g uses up most of my bandwidth
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Kale Kold
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.05.08 13:44:00 -
[97]
I will NOT allow this software on my PC!
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
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Posted - 2009.05.08 13:46:00 -
[98]
Originally by: CCP Mephysto
(only on Windows atm, working on Mac)
I certainly hope this conversion will take longer than bringing trinity to Mac — say 10-15× longer should do it…
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RaTTuS
BIG
Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2009.05.08 14:20:00 -
[99]
Facepalm
Just make and distribute a .torrent file - job done - no extra crap needed
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Marquis Zenas
m3 Corp
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Posted - 2009.05.08 14:27:00 -
[100]
No!
Have just done some research over this Pando junk and I don't like the look of it. Many people class it as Spyware or Malware.
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Seishi Maru
M. Corp
Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2009.05.08 14:28:00 -
[101]
Originally by: omgdutch2005
Originally by: Kelly Luzita
My isp banns accounts for hosting home severs on the plan i have . Sharing files via p2p will look like i am hosting a sever to my isp . Do not implement this idea.
bull ****
p.s. it uses several ports to download, 80, 443, random port and 2 additional ports
if they would make the data transfer go through SSL, even deep packet inspection wont do a thing... all the see is many ssl packets from left to right
Do you think the ISP guys are stupid? Try it.. they automatically drop your speed to 1/10th of normal speed while you are transmitting a large ammount of SSL packets. They already do it ..
You really underestimated the greed of those people.
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Vak'ran
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Posted - 2009.05.08 14:40:00 -
[102]
Originally by: Seishi Maru
Originally by: omgdutch2005
Originally by: Kelly Luzita
My isp banns accounts for hosting home severs on the plan i have . Sharing files via p2p will look like i am hosting a sever to my isp . Do not implement this idea.
bull ****
p.s. it uses several ports to download, 80, 443, random port and 2 additional ports
if they would make the data transfer go through SSL, even deep packet inspection wont do a thing... all the see is many ssl packets from left to right
Do you think the ISP guys are stupid? Try it.. they automatically drop your speed to 1/10th of normal speed while you are transmitting a large ammount of SSL packets. They already do it ..
You really underestimated the greed of those people.
Get another ISP. The more of them that do it, the larger the market for an unscrutinized connection.
Mine doesnt do this, but I am bothered by the software that could very well be intended to replace the BITS system in time. This variation is unwanted by anyone who likes to have control over what their computer actually is doing, those people make up quite a bit of the EVE community. I for one will never allow it to function as intended.
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Arec Bardwin
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Posted - 2009.05.08 14:48:00 -
[103]
Note all the positive replies in this thread 
I don't want this Pando junk on my computer. DON'T MAKE THIS PANDO CRAP INSTALL BY DEFAULT [/cruise control]
Regular torrents or http for me, thank you very much.
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Dnai Hsrang
Caldari
Cardinal Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.05.08 15:06:00 -
[104]
I have no desire to have any service installed on my computer. If it is a requirement to have it installed to play Eve, I will not play and will cancel my multiple accounts.
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Cass Tamuri
Nebula Rasa Holdings
Nebula Rasa
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Posted - 2009.05.08 15:12:00 -
[105]
Edited by: Cass Tamuri on 08/05/2009 15:12:20
This is not needed / wanted and will not be accepted. Please just use BitTorrent and stop wasting your development time and the community's time with this "enhancement".
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Trenjeska
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Posted - 2009.05.08 15:16:00 -
[106]
Why don't you have the guts to support a _regular_ .torrent?
Chribba shares a .torrent now and then and I trust him like I would a notary. (Most people here do so I guess) And still you forbid him to provide such convenient services, stating that everything must come from ccp controlled servers?
Have the guts to host that .torrent yourself!
Let us choose our preferred download method, DO NOT FORCE us to use what _you_ think is good.
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Marlenus
Caldari
Ironfleet Towing And Salvage
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2009.05.08 15:19:00 -
[107]
You're trying to reinvent the wheel, in world full of really excellent wheels. This makes you look like Thrud the caveman, clunking along on mostly-square stones.
Just use torrents already.
More to the point, it's totally unacceptable to use third-party malware instead, even as an "option". Have you looked at their terms of service? They can serve anything they want with our bandwidth, and we don't have any way to control that. Only an idiot would (knowingly) agree to that. It's dangerous and, in many countries, criminal.
Software that dangerous needs a lot more "full disclosure" up front and a lot more visibility than an icon in the control panel, where many users will never find it. I know of one household where installing something with Pando in it would make "Dad, the network admin" issue a complete ban against installing any client or software with the CCP brand name on it, after he spent a few hours troubleshooting the network and then cleaning the malware off all six gaming boxes in the house. Given all the kids who play there, that's about ten lost subscriptions for CCP.
Just don't go there. Use torrents like everybody else.
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Xelios
Minmatar
Broski Enterprises
Avarice.
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Posted - 2009.05.08 15:30:00 -
[108]
No thanks. It's thing like this that make me glad I have a firewall that alerts me when new programs are trying to use my connection.
Bittorrent and HTTP downloads work just fine.
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Arec Bardwin
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Posted - 2009.05.08 15:31:00 -
[109]
Originally by: Trenjeska
Chribba shares a .torrent now and then and I trust him like I would a notary. (Most people here do so I guess) And still you forbid him to provide such convenient services, stating that everything must come from ccp controlled servers?
CCP forbid Chribba to share patches via .torrents??? 
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Vak'ran
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Posted - 2009.05.08 15:36:00 -
[110]
this thread does need some metaphore, pictures and funneh. To illustrate some previous posters' points, which i endorse...
You clearly know the difference between this and this, but what you are proposing now is more like this. Notice the sharp pointy things?
I'd propose using this, which is a perfectly good wheel.
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CCP Mephysto
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Posted - 2009.05.08 15:41:00 -
[111]
Thanks for all your replies so far. I appreciate the feedback you have been giving, and will forward the various concerns raised to the people responsible for this.
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Raia Mortius
Yin Bao
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Posted - 2009.05.08 15:59:00 -
[112]
ok this is very annoying. the PMB.exe just stays running and locks the setup file down.
did i just upload to people all night.
are you joking ??? are you purposely gonna kill all australians broadband quotas?
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Satsuki Kakuri
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.05.08 16:12:00 -
[113]
I have an isp that apparently will just drop your entire internet if it detects outgoing p2p network, and won't turn it back on. I don't feel like finding out if that is really true or not, so I vote no for this.
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Thorvik
Valklear Guard
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.05.08 16:27:00 -
[114]
Did a clean install of EVE after a thorough decontamination of my PC. I don't allow my wife, child, brother, sister, mother or friend on my computer and I sure as hell will not allow an unknown 3rd party software (read malware) on my computer.
Make it optional (separate download for those who wish it) but do not install and then require me to remove it.
No is NO.
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Subrahmaya Chandrasekhar
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Posted - 2009.05.08 16:32:00 -
[115]
Originally by: CCP Mephysto
Thanks for all your replies so far. I appreciate the feedback you have been giving, and will forward the various concerns raised to the people responsible for this.
Thanks for the heads-up (it's always frustrating to read a ton of posts like this and yet see no response from the dev team).
I really like this game, but all this third party software stuff coupled with a ship reimbursement issue* has put me in the uncomfortable position of struggling with myself over whether to continue playing EVE (my subscription is up in 7 days and my credit card number in Eve has been cancelled by my bank because of security issues they had).
I think in the end I will keep playing (in part because of the huge amount of time I've invested), but I'm very unhappy with how I've been treated recently (I know, I know. I'm a tiny speck in the universe and I don't matter and no one cares anyway, ha ha).
*(denied by GM Jericho but clearly the end result of a mission software bug - no further word from them for over a week, despite my entreaties)
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DeltaPhalanx
Caldari
Hordes Of Belial
The Undecided Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.08 16:34:00 -
[116]
Mephysto, I rarely reply to threads, save to answer questions that I feel passionate about, and a topic such as this, where I learn that a third party program may compromise my network integrity, and / or my service from my ISP. Like others have already pointed out, I feel that there should be a very clear and concise warning that the Pando service will be installed should a player choose to use the autopatcher instead of a direct http download.
Should CCP continue to use this system, against a vocal playerbase which is currently opposed to its use, I would strongly reccomend that parameters be added to it that allow it to install, with warning and user approval, download the required patch files, and then uninstall, to be reinstalled only during the next patch process. You already do this with your DirectX check, there is no reason not to do so with this service. It should, in no way, shape or form, be required to continue to run as a service beyond the patching process; I do not want, nor need another service utilising system resources when it neither benefits my in or out game experience. If this service is to become, at some point, CCP's prefered patch downloader, I would also reccomend that it be pre-configured in a manner that does not utilise a clients full network bandwidth, and also provide clear options to configure its use during the patch process, including the options to redirect the user to a direct http download, and configure prefered ports.
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Kale Kold
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.05.08 17:33:00 -
[117]
According to a guy posting in this thread the pando service takes up 22Mb of RAM!?!?!?!
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1067611
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Sim Cognito
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Posted - 2009.05.08 18:46:00 -
[118]
Originally by: Vak'ran
Obligatory installation of a deamon p2p program is unacceptable. I want to download the patch, and just download the patch. If I want to share it with other people I will only do this on my own terms (i.e. a normal torrent I would probably seed for a while), I will however not be put in a position where i would be required to do so. If these are the new terms of the service you provide, I will no longer be a customer of that service.
I couldnt agree more.
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annoing
Amarr
Viziam
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Posted - 2009.05.08 18:59:00 -
[119]
Pando = this
Not on my computer, NEVER EVER on my computer.
It seems that some people at CCP try to justify their jobs with coming up with new ideas, even though those ideas are cr ap.
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Brujo Loco
Amarr
Brujeria Teologica
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Posted - 2009.05.08 20:14:00 -
[120]
OMG CCP!!! What in the name of SATAN, CHLTUHU, BALZEEBUB and the lowest and darkest breed of the hellish demon infested anarchic chaos birthing inner bowels of mighty Shub-Niggurath itself YOU GUYS THINK YOU ARE DOING?
Hellou, BITTORRENT?
"and will install a small daemon on your PC that will allow the p2p component to work."
Guys, seriously, did you all decided on a chance meeting one day to implement this MARVELOUS idea? What the HELL?
Are you guys so out of touch of reality that even CONSIDERING this seemed efficient and thoughtful and BEST for "everyone" ????
No, I have to ally with the other fellow capsuleers in this thread and say NAY!!!
NAY !!! NAY NAY!!!
Meh, but who cares? You being the stubborn ox headed baphometic monstrosity that you have become , will not only keep doing it but totally ignore what the vocal majority in the forums say, cuz the UNWASHED MASSES of people that barely even log in or know the forums exist at all will undoubtedly not even realize, understand, hear, see, feel or comprehend what this utter monstrosity of crap service Pando is, and will keep playing eve as usual not realizing that their latest memory/bandwith hog is their own fault for being "given the choice" of downloading patches "FASTER"
I for one praised CCP during all the crapstorm of whines , nerfs , and total defamation cuz I believed they knew what they were doing, but somehow using this crap service to save your own money/bandwith makes me go puke with inner hatred on the world and specifically you.
Really, WHAT THE HELL?
PD: WHAT THE HELL? 
Viva VENEZUELA!!!
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