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Lilly VanSaya
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Posted - 2009.05.07 18:11:00 -
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I can only agree with the people that say they don't like it. I cant see what happens and so far i've been waiting 30min for 2mb to download... and i still have 25min to go!!
At least make it optional and give that download window some sort of settings so i can get more downloadspeed than like 1kbit/s
Lilly
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omgdutch2005
Gallente
Advanced Planetary Exports
Intergalactic Exports Group
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Posted - 2009.05.07 18:14:00 -
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I wish to state, installing the service wont be a BIG problem just DONT auto start it, only start it if there is a patch to be downloaded, and if you download the patch, have the ability to disable the P2P function (for those who dont want it, who have BW/mb limits and those who are on dial-up or UMTS/HSDPA (mobile cell phone internet0
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ZigZag Joe
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.07 18:45:00 -
[63]
No Pando. Just give us torrent files and have done. Not a chance in hell will I install this crap on my computer.
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SemiCharmed
Brotherhood of DON
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Posted - 2009.05.07 22:01:00 -
[64]
Because i cant be bothered to copy and paste my rant in another post i will link it here...
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1067251&page=1
and... NO CCP! dont fix something that was never broke!!!!
Just absolutly no...
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Burgers
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Posted - 2009.05.07 23:05:00 -
[65]
Well you did put on test server first..
But that software is a fail .. badly.
You may think that all we do is play eve - and sometimes i even think it myself.. But realy i use my PC for other stuff than eve.
I don't like to have to look for 3'th party programs that hides them self. In Windows 7 beta that Panda software shows up in Control Panel's "Programs and Features" but not in my "Programs" folder where i would try to find any nice program.
I does install a Control Panel icon that tryes to kill my Antivirus when i try acess it - THAT alone makes it a TOTAL noway on my PC.
On the other hand i don't get what that a standalone solution offers. It's still download of prepared patches - or in the case of the test server FULL download 2 GB +
If i had the option to download a standart .torrent i would probely leave the torrent onlive for quite some times as my torrent program is setup in a way where i still can use my conntion. There is littel chance that i would leave any 3'th party progam alive for a long time Pando or others.
And like others i don't get why you are tryning to reinvet the wheel.
Bittorrent are test'et on a bigger scale that you will need need it - the standart clients works on all major OS - it is verry easy to setup (or remove) extra bandwide specc for a small number of files even worldwide.
If you was tryning to make a better / real patcher with some rsync style i would get the effort to but THAT Pando thingy !!
I think you have missed the point why we are asking for .torrents - we do have a nice clinet for download of large files and realy don't need more.
My Bittorrent clinet has Local peer discovery don't think any off your current solotions has that.
But again this was on the test server you can still pull it back.
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Moon Kitten
GoonFleet
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Posted - 2009.05.07 23:08:00 -
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Use a regular torrent system instead. Installing an extra service is redundant and unnecessary when there already are excellent Bittorrent clients available.
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R Mika
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Posted - 2009.05.08 00:11:00 -
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Have not tried it. However, if it works like Bit Torrent that means it allows me to see the IP address of others and others can see my IP address.
There are already enough people in Eve willing to use whatever means necessary to "defeat" their opponents. Handing such groups and individuals yet another tool, one sanctioned by CCP no less, crosses the line from igorance to complete stupidity. Those that are foolish enough to use BT are already comprised. If this was ever made manditory my days of Eve would be done.
Please think about the environment you have helped create.
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deathlords
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Posted - 2009.05.08 00:19:00 -
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Installing any daemons like this is a really, really bad idea.
Adding a BT client to the download manager maybe a better solution than having a daemon running in the background. Run the client in foreground, always, never as a daemon.
PS. And please keep direct download available for people where BITS fails (Wine) and some weird demon is unacceptable.
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Brutorthegreat
Minmatar
FM Corp
Dead Mans Hand
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Posted - 2009.05.08 00:21:00 -
[69]
Torrents - good idea
Pando - bad idea
could you explain what it has that normal torrents dont?
I really cant see the purpose of downloading another program onto my computer just to get eve. Its not like we download the eve client or patches every day.
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Estoika Chonda
Big Guns Inc.
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.08 00:25:00 -
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I hope this method is really going to be only an "opction".
In spain and most Europe, p2p downloads are going to be regulated by the ISP and the government to avoid piracy. If they detect that you are downloading whatever via p2p, they can cut your internet connection and charge you money.
So please DON'T!
Regarda,
Estoika.
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Solbright
Advanced Security And Asset Protection
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Posted - 2009.05.08 00:59:00 -
[71]
 Originally by: Estoika Chonda
In spain and most Europe, p2p downloads are going to be regulated by the ISP and the government to avoid piracy. If they detect that you are downloading whatever via p2p, they can cut your internet connection and charge you money.
That's prolly the best reason to do this. Last thing we want is stupid laws like that taking hold because no-one cares.
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Deva Blackfire
D00M.
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Posted - 2009.05.08 01:59:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Estoika Chonda
In spain and most Europe, p2p downloads are going to be regulated by the ISP and the government to avoid piracy. If they detect that you are downloading whatever via p2p, they can cut your internet connection and charge you money.
At least not for a while - EU parliment rejected this for a time being.
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Shereza
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Posted - 2009.05.08 07:49:00 -
[73]
Originally by: CCP Mephysto
Feedback about this new system gratefully received. Please note that there is no intention of replacing the primary download system (BITS) at this time, this would be offered as well as / in place of the bittorrent option.
Feedback, eh?
Finding out that your patcher/installer also installed third-party software on my computer without first clearly and explicitly warning me ****ed me off. The last time something similar to this happened was when another MMO I was playing created "shadow" Administrator accounts on my computer as part of their security software. I haven't played the game since then.
Here is a list of other things about this that annoyed and/or ****ed me off over this decision.
The PMB.EXE file was not shut down at the end of the patching/installation process.
The program itself was not uninstalled at the end of the patching/installation process.
I was not informed that it would be left running.
I wasn't even informed what it would be doing before it was installed.
I was not given the oppurtunity to configure it after it was installed which in turn had the potential to seriously degrade my network performance.
^- The maximum upload bandwidth any computer on my network can have is approximately 100kb/s, but anything over 25kb/s causes severe network issues. By severe I mean that ping times jump from 40-60ms to over 1200ms and the maximum download rate drops from 1.2mb/s to 250kb/s and lower. This aspect of your previous Torrent downloader significantly annoyed me and resulted in me never considering using it again. If you'd shared out a .torrent file for the client that could tie in with the system your previous downloader used it wouldn't have been so bad, but when it's done with a program that you can't configure it's not good, which is exactly what happened when I got slapped in the face by a dead fish named PMB.EXE.
While this program continued to run in the background it used up approximately 5% of my CPU resources. In the past I've had issues with programs using cycle time without my knowledge causing significant performance drops on my computer. Some games, older games, suffered 33% drops in FPS and more. Tonight when I didn't realize that this pogram was running I had severe audio/video discrepencies in movie files I was watching causing the video to routinely drop as much as 5-6 seconds behind the audio.
I should not have to go to my Control Panel to deal with this program. It should have a start menu shortcut, it should have a system notification area icon with an option to terminate the program, it should have something that is not, in effect, hidden from me that allows me to control this application.
Maybe I'm over-reacting but when it comes to programs installed without my knowledge or consent, programs that aren't properly terminated, and programs that have a noticeable to significant impact on the performance of my computer and/or my network I have a very hard time staying calm.
I don't really care that this process is in testing. I should have been informed that it would be installed and what it would do before it was installed. For that matter I don't care if the install size is only 8mb or 2gb, I want to be able to choose where the program is installed. I was very annoyed when MS Office or Visual Studio put approximately 2gb of crap onto my OS drive despite being told to install the software onto a different drive and I'm no happier about this little 8mb bundle of CPU-using joy.
Here's some positive feedback though. It's good that this will be optional if you implement it. Were I to deal with it every time I patched or installed a client it would push so many of my hot buttons that I'd have to seriously debate not playing EVE. Considering that I put nearly 10 years into one ORPG and 3 years into EVE despite hardly playing in the last 6 months I do not easily quit games I enjoy, but this would make me ponder it.
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A Scriv
Gallente
Gallente Mining and Manufacturing Inc
Cloud 7 Nebulosa
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Posted - 2009.05.08 08:56:00 -
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spent the night downloading sisi with this. hate it would be an understatement
slows everything right down
and the ui kept crashing, strangly though it would carry on downloading in the background. but still very annoying. sort it please
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Tairon Usaro
The X-Trading Company
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.08 08:59:00 -
[75]
yet another broken fix for something that had no problems ...
you cannot be serious that the recent patch is 2,3 GB but that is what that pando bull**** is trying to download ... looks to me like a full installtion it is trying to download instead of patching the existing. Might be a problem auf vista and user rights but i am more than sick to help you with that nonsense. i dont want to do torrent non-sense and i am ok with 140 KB/sec bandwith. So stop this nonsense NOW !
If this forces you to concentrate on coding game mechanics instead of spamming pointless graphic updates it will a very well appreciated side effect !
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Blue Harrier
Gallente
IMPERIAL SENATE
Initiative Associates
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Posted - 2009.05.08 10:25:00 -
[76]
As others have said this will NEVER be installed on my PC, my ISP uses deep packet inspection Ellacoya profile machines to regulate internet traffic and if P2P traffic is detected it is routed into slower traffic streams.
During peak times of the day this traffic is seriously degraded (packet dropped) or speed capped and both the download and upload amounts are added to my monthly total. If my peak rate total exceeds a given amount then my full off and peak rate surfing is restricted for the rest of that month.
My download manager (Free Download Manager) always downloads the HTTP version and will adjust itself to the parameters IÆve set for various times of the day, it can also use a Bittorrent download seed if required and so far has never failed to download either the full client or a patch for both servers.
Please just drop the idea (along with this stupid ambulation) and just fix the blasted BUGS IN THE CLIENT and stop using your player base as a test site for your screw ups.
Sorry for the rant readers but IÆve been playing this game for nearly a year and IÆm fed up with the attitude of CCP who spend time writing blogs and stories but donÆt respond to the genuine concerns of players who just want a game they can play.
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Trimutius III
Legio Octae
Rebellion Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.08 11:27:00 -
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I don't know what to say. I tried it. My bandwidth is used almost up to maximum, i have 2 Mbit/s and this downloader gives 220-230 KB/s but normal downloader gave me 180-200 KB/s, i agree Pando is a little bit faster, but still my Internet is lagging because of it... And normal downloader don't cause lags... (it just adjust speed of download if i'm serfing in internet)
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Mira O'karr
Minmatar
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2009.05.08 11:28:00 -
[78]
your new download method was a lot slower than the regular one.
i dont use p2p normally and i dont want to have to configure firewalls and what not in order to get the same speed as before.
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fab24
Gallente
Order of Anarchy
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Posted - 2009.05.08 11:30:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Mephysto
Some of you may have noticed we are testing a new method of downloading the installer for Singularity. This system, called Pando, is a hybrid http download and p2p download system that should allow for much faster downloads to occur. The system operates similarly to bittorrent, and will install a small daemon on your PC that will allow the p2p component to work.
Feedback about this new system gratefully received. Please note that there is no intention of replacing the primary download system (BITS) at this time, this would be offered as well as / in place of the bittorrent option.
each time I start singulatity client, this crap show up and I have to download a patch, take it off srsly.
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Kelly Luzita
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Posted - 2009.05.08 11:38:00 -
[80]
My isp banns accounts for hosting home severs on the plan i have . Sharing files via p2p will look like i am hosting a sever to my isp . Do not implement this idea.
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omgdutch2005
Gallente
Advanced Planetary Exports
Intergalactic Exports Group
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Posted - 2009.05.08 12:20:00 -
[81]
Originally by: Kelly Luzita
My isp banns accounts for hosting home severs on the plan i have . Sharing files via p2p will look like i am hosting a sever to my isp . Do not implement this idea.
bull ****
p.s. it uses several ports to download, 80, 443, random port and 2 additional ports
if they would make the data transfer go through SSL, even deep packet inspection wont do a thing... all the see is many ssl packets from left to right
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Othran
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Posted - 2009.05.08 12:24:00 -
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Its not going on my machine. End of story. If that means no more Eve then that's what it means.
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Esk Esme
Caldari
Intelligent Concepts Inc
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Posted - 2009.05.08 12:29:00 -
[83]
No thnk's CCP
No daemon for p2p on my computer that means end of eve
my stuffs u can have my bandwith lol not a chance
My ISP wont allow it anyways so it be BYEBYE Esk 
side note
please shoot the idiot that come up with this idea  by looks of reply's eve player base will shrink by 2/3 good plan
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Fulber
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Posted - 2009.05.08 12:33:00 -
[84]
'Sup, my Icelandic dudes and dudettes.
Welcome to the world of BitTorrent (a completely legal peer-to-peer distribution protocol). Don't reinvent the bicycle (a two wheeled vehicle powered by the rider via an arrangement of pedals). There's a plethora (a wide selection) of free (doesn't cost a penny), lightweight (doesn't eat up all your RAM, CPU time, HD space) and configurable (various settings are user controlled) BitTorrent clients (a program that runs on the end-user machine) already out there.
Instead of wasting time with this Pando crap, just get a tracker (a server that handles client connections to each other) running on your own servers, publish the .torrent file (a file that contains metadata, namely hash values and tracker URLs), and seed the actual torrent.
It's not difficult, and the time you've spent mucking around with Pando would probably have gotten your own tracker and seed up and running. (I've added various explanations in brackets, as you may have noticed, because it seems you don't know much about this). |
xSnowwhitex
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Posted - 2009.05.08 12:35:00 -
[85]
i don't want third party software put on my pc without my permission if i did i would visit Zango with my antivirus software off.
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Jana Clant
New Dawn Tribe
New Eden Research
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Posted - 2009.05.08 12:56:00 -
[86]
P2P download? Awesome.
Third-party service that we're forced to install? Not awesome.
If you want us to use P2P, just go with the good old method of supplying us with a .torrent file already, and let us use our own P2P applications. You're probably afraid of people distributing trojan-ridden installations, but as long as you have an official torrent and tell people to download from there only, I don't see how it would be a problem.
From what I gathered from the thread, this "Pando" thingamajig is a separate process that runs independently of EVE, right? Because if so, I'm sure I'm not the only one who's going to utterly and completely destroy it to the point it won't be able to even start. If you insist on having it, at least don't bundle it with the patch.
New Eden Research, where your research gets done!
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EliteSlave
Minmatar
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.05.08 12:59:00 -
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CCP Mephysto
Can we get a response on what you plan to do?
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omgdutch2005
Gallente
Advanced Planetary Exports
Intergalactic Exports Group
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Posted - 2009.05.08 13:00:00 -
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If you do if by a tracker and a torrent... let it download by your OWN developed torrent tool, and on the tracker enforce the use of only your tool (this way the users dont see who they connect with, yeah the techies will know) and if you make it encoded, ISP cant/hardly can, block the stuff, I really, realy urge you guys to check out the sony launchpad tool, fixes 2 things at 1's 1) login / char selection 2) Intergration of download
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Fulber
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Posted - 2009.05.08 13:01:00 -
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Originally by: omgdutch2005
If you do if by a tracker and a torrent... let it download by your OWN developed torrent tool, and on the tracker enforce the use of only your tool (this way the users dont see who they connect with, yeah the techies will know) and if you make it encoded, ISP cant/hardly can, block the stuff, I really, realy urge you guys to check out the sony launchpad tool, fixes 2 things at 1's 1) login / char selection 2) Intergration of download
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Kale Kold
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.05.08 13:11:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Mephysto
My apologies for a late reply (dentist ftl ).
If you open the control panel on your pc, after starting a download (and thus installing the Pando daemon), you'll find an icon that will allow configuration of the pando system, such as setting port and limiting upload speeds.
What if like me, you DONT want Pando installed AT ALL!!!
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