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Kil2
Club Bear Turbo.
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Posted - 2009.05.06 00:14:00 -
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Edited by: Kil2 on 06/05/2009 00:17:49
So heres the idea: im going to do pvp commentary (think alliance tournament ) and just upload mp3s to the club-bear web site.
Answers to some simple questions i expect!
----how do i listen? the file you download will be an mp3, you need to find a program to play it simultaniously with the video. I will indicate in the recording when to start playing the video so that we are synced. RTS fans should be familiar =) ----what videos will i do? anything the community wants tbh. im going to start with a few of my own videos and see how it goes. i know the most about those so its easiest for me. If you have pvp footage/videos that you want my opinion about, link me the video and maybe ill just do commentary for that video. ----whats the point jerk face, who wants to listen to you anyway?! well, my eve mail box has indicated to me that theres still a significant amount of new players here in eve that have TONS of questions about pvp. Hopefully they will be the ones to benefit most. If you find yourself bored with what im saying, you probably know more than me and dont need to listen and thats totally fine.
please let me know what information is interesting or not interesting, that way i can hopefully hone my subject selection to stuff thats interesting to you guys. any other feedback is of course welcome.
EXISTING COMMENTARIES
video file....................... commentary file BETRAYAL(kil2)............... betrayal_commentary
ARMAGEDDON(kil2)............... armageddon_commentary
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taylor04
Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.05.06 00:26:00 -
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Muad' Dib
Gallente Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2009.05.06 00:34:00 -
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Edited by: Muad'' Dib on 06/05/2009 00:34:05 Be carefull dude, you might develop an ego like Malka Badi'a this way. :P
Nice commentary. :)
Originally by: taylor04

Make more vids pls. --- I smack just for myself.
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Sidephex
Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2009.05.06 00:38:00 -
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pls dont forget to also upload them to eve-files! no idea why your stupid server doesnt work for me! :P ___________
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Kyguard
Amok. Minor Threat.
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Posted - 2009.05.06 00:48:00 -
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Meh I think you're overdoing it /o\ -
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Kil2
Club Bear Turbo.
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Posted - 2009.05.06 00:51:00 -
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Quote: Meh I think you're overdoing it /o\
very well could be. for me this is pretty easy to do though so i thought ide at least see if theres an interest.
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Naomi Wildfire
Amarr Stardust Heavy Industries Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2009.05.06 01:19:00 -
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Is it free? Does it contain Smack? Can i use it as Video Sound? Is there a switch to a female voice?
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fmercury
Queens of the Stone Age Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2009.05.06 01:51:00 -
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Originally by: Kyguard Meh I think you're overdoing it /o\
Strongly disagree, I think this kind of analysis has been missing for a long time, and it's a welcome change in my opinion. Keep on truckin' kil2.
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DHB WildCat
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.05.06 02:07:00 -
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This could quite possibly be one of the best or worst ideas ever..... Waiting to see 8).
Hope it works well
WildCat
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Sylia
Dark Knights of Deneb Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.05.06 02:41:00 -
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i liked it, nice to know what a pilto is thinkign when they do things
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Rahjadan Shardur
Minmatar Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.05.06 04:22:00 -
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i liked the comentary very much, because some of the engagements in the last video took a lot of balls to do since your success didn't only depend on you doing everything right but on the other pilots to make mistakes. it's nice to know more about the attitude of bolt pilots. ------------------ In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. (Douglas Adams) |

yourownguns
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Posted - 2009.05.06 05:19:00 -
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I am in full support of this. I guess you did some text for SEVEN but id love an audio commentary on that as well, my favorite vid of yours.
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Raelaem Eudain
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Posted - 2009.05.06 05:32:00 -
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Well I just heard the commentary while i was downloading the vids, and i have to say i really enjoyed it. I will have to watch them with the commentary to do a double take. I think this is great. There was a vid that my friend kulmid showed me that had the strategy box in it (was about 27mins long)...I would really enjoy a commentary on that video its one of my favorites.
Thanks for all your dedication towards this and flysafe (just not around me please...lol)
Raelaem Eudain
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Osiris Occido
The Nightshift Tenth Legion
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Posted - 2009.05.06 05:51:00 -
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Edited by: Osiris Occido on 06/05/2009 05:52:14 I know it would decrease the quality a bit, but why not re-render the compiled video with the audio directly over the video? There are little who care about the extra filesize and you could treat it like when you get a DVD and you want to watch it with director's commentary. I think that'd be a lot nicer than trying to sync up the video and audio with two different programs, and I think you are right in this idea in general; it's certainly creating some interest. Maybe the future of pvp videos will have very little text (think odds and stats as the only text) + a director's cut of the same video with audio commentary.
edit: clarification.
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Siiee
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Posted - 2009.05.06 06:18:00 -
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This is major win.
I denoised the audio track, removed the high pitch whine and remuxed the MKV with both audio tracks and basic chaptering. I can upload it to eve-files or send it to you somehow if you want.
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Kil2
Club Bear Turbo.
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Posted - 2009.05.06 06:41:00 -
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siiee thats fantastic. please upload if you dont mind. and ill contact you in game as well if thats ok about future ones.
ill do seven sometime soon guys, thanks for the comments o/
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Tobias Sjodin
Ore Mongers BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2009.05.06 07:56:00 -
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*hats off from Ore Mongers*
This is inspirational and educational.
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Siiee
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Posted - 2009.05.06 10:34:00 -
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Armageddon
Betrayal
I had to chop up the closing comments for Armageddon a bit to make it not cut off since the audio was longer than the video
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adriaans
Amarr Ankaa.
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Posted - 2009.05.06 10:38:00 -
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Even though i personally am fully aware of all tactical aspects and more or less know what you're doing from own experience, i still think audio commentary is a great thing!  -sig- Support the introduction of Blaze crystals for Amarr!
Originally by: UMEE if ure another fotm re-roller, then dont pvp. you'll fail.
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Magic Path
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Posted - 2009.05.06 12:24:00 -
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Cool Stuff Kil2, keep it coming. Guess its quite good for people to see how they would have done in such a situation, since all the thoughts you go through are what it takes to actively change and direct the outcome of a fight.
my best regards
MP
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Osiris Occido
The Nightshift Tenth Legion
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Posted - 2009.05.06 13:53:00 -
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Originally by: Siiee Edited by: Siiee on 06/05/2009 10:39:27 Armageddon
Betrayal
I had to chop up the closing comments for Armageddon a bit to make it not cut off since the audio was longer than the video
lol awesome this is exactly what I was talking about. For those using Windows Media Player, you have to toggle the audio track in the vid, which is nice because you can toggle between the commentary and the regular video. To do that, in WMPlayer go to Play / Audio and Language Tracks / and select the 2nd one on the list.
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Wang Jing
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Posted - 2009.05.06 13:54:00 -
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This is awesome. I generally watch your vids a few times anyway, once to just sit back and enjoy the music/explosions/pew pew pew and then repeat viewings to try and think about whats going on a bit more; the audio commentary makes it so much more enjoyable to do so!
It probably helps that I'm an awful pilot so theres so much stuff that seems pretty straightforward for you that I wouldn't have even considered 
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Malen Nenokal
Oedipus Complex
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Posted - 2009.05.06 14:25:00 -
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Edited by: Malen Nenokal on 06/05/2009 14:24:46 Very informative, I would love to see more of this. 
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Willington
Gallente Evoke. Ev0ke
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Posted - 2009.05.06 16:24:00 -
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The comments to Betrayal were really nice. A shame I had to turn down the music though  Could you please give us a tracklist for the latest one?
Downloading the Armageddon ones!
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Schmell
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Posted - 2009.05.06 17:19:00 -
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That`s...just brilliant. MOAR!
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Fon Revedhort
Monks of War United Legion
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Posted - 2009.05.06 20:58:00 -
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Awesome. A great way to show non EVE-addicted people that PvP isn't just a mindless f1-f8 hammering.
Liked your prononciation as well as I could get literally everything you were talking  ---
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Psir
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Posted - 2009.05.06 21:27:00 -
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Excellent videos and commentary, well worthy of humping your e-leg!
Got a question for you though, I see that you have grouped your hybrid weapons in two groups (2-4 on Brutix and 3-4 on the Mega). Is there any special reasoning for this?
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Kil2
Club Bear Turbo.
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Posted - 2009.05.06 21:45:00 -
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hey guys glad some are finding it useful so far. i hope to do a commentary for seven sometime today or tomorrow.
the weapon groupings should be because i have 2 different types of blaster (like the brutix has 5 electrons and 2 ions, or something). Once upon a time i theoried that if you had 2 groups of alternating weapons, you could alternate heat and get more total time overheated by spreading it that way. at this point though ive given up on that.
as for music track listings, it can always be found in the original thread for the video, which should be locatable with eve-search.
would love to hear more about what kind of stuff you guys want to hear, but it seems like im appealing more to the new/unafimilar pvper which is what i was hoping for so im glad for that.
o/
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Wang Jing
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Posted - 2009.05.06 21:56:00 -
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I'd be extremely interested to hear some more about your fitting philosophy, you mentioned a few things like fitting neuts for small gang/solo and your preference for damage rather than ecm drones; it'd be cool to get a bit more of the same (if you can squeeze it in somewhere of course )
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Eraggan Sadarr
Phoenix Tribe
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Posted - 2009.05.06 22:11:00 -
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These commentaries are great. Keep them coming. I'd like to hear about losses and implants. What i find most annoying about pvp in 0.0 is the time it takes to go get a new ship, refit it and then bring it back through camped pipes. By implants i mean what kinds do you use in your 0.0 clones?
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Prometheus Exenthal
Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2009.05.06 22:31:00 -
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avisynth + wav file ftw? plays back video w/ music as well as commentary  - MY LATEST VIDEO - BATTLE CRUISE |

Raelaem Eudain
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Posted - 2009.05.06 23:41:00 -
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Edited by: Raelaem Eudain on 06/05/2009 23:43:14
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Raelaem Eudain
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Posted - 2009.05.06 23:42:00 -
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Originally by: Eraggan Sadarr By implants i mean what kinds do you use in your 0.0 clones?
I'm pretty sure they he/they don't use implants or rigs on their clones/ships, from what Ive gathered from other threads and other sources. It's so kickass!
Also a thing I would like to see is your commentary about your fit and how it performed in the situation.
Rae
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Handon Guild
The Glenn Quagmire Finishing School for Young Ladies Eternal Rapture
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Posted - 2009.05.07 01:44:00 -
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Edited by: Handon Guild on 07/05/2009 01:45:53 Good idea i enjoy listening to audio commentary, awesome idea.
Its been good so far, but now were you offer to do audio commentary on other movies than your own, then dont get to ****y it will hit you in the end keep it cool! 
GIGGITY!
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Koloch
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.05.07 02:49:00 -
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Just from listening to the commentary you can get a pretty good idea that Kil2 isn't the ego/****y kind.
Great idea and well executed.
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skuko
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.05.07 04:25:00 -
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words can't describe how happy you made me by doing this!
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Moonlord
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Posted - 2009.05.07 15:41:00 -
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Edited by: Moonlord on 07/05/2009 15:42:20 Edited by: Moonlord on 07/05/2009 15:41:42 This is excellent for everyone that wants to improve their small gang/solo pvp. The analysis are spot on and your attitude about allways wanting to improve your own game makes this worth listening to. Keep up the excellent work 
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Dimitryy
Gallente Ever Flow Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.07 17:21:00 -
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To clarify, are you going to begin doing commentary on other's vids? Although it would be impossible to know exactly what they were thinking, it would be interesting to hear exactly what each side was doing, and point out things that each side may have missed/did well.
If you wanted to get really pro with it, maybe try to get the FC's of fleet battles to add their impressions and what they were thinking/doing in certain battles. Obviously once the battle starts the comment would be "i'm calling primaries", but an overlay describing how the battle began, and the strategy they were each going for.
Big market for that kinda thing i think, and great work so far :) ------------------------------------------
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Aaspa
Echolalia. Shangri-La.
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Posted - 2009.05.07 19:40:00 -
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Adding commentaries is a wonderful idea thanks Kil2 
I think it's very useful for people who are not good at PVP like me so that we can have a glance of the strategies inherent to PVP.
Keep the good work, I'd like to see a commentary for USRA Unleashed 
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Kil2
Club Bear Turbo.
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Posted - 2009.05.07 20:20:00 -
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Edited by: Kil2 on 07/05/2009 20:24:05 the possibilities in this arena are very open-ended. i got the inspiration to do this mostly from RTS commentary(starcraft/coh etc), and in those environments there is often join-t commentary, and often commentary on games that are not played by the commentator. however it doesnt transfer perfectly to eve. as much as i would love to do join-t commentary or critical commentary on others' videos of eve pvp, videos arent the best option for it because there arent lulls to allow room for the inevitable discussions between commentators that would develop, and i dont have all the information that the pilot does. so for now i will stick with doing my own videos and see if theres opportunity to expand to something else somewhere down the line.
i plan to do seven and also ursa unleashed before the end of this weekend. again, im really happy to hear some less experienced pvpers are enjoying this. Ill try to include some discussion on implants/roaming and its costs/fitting in coming commentary.
tbh it almost makes me think i should just do a podcast type of thing, but the video is great for supplementing any strategic discussion with actual case evidence and visuals.
look for the new ones in the coming days o/
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Jiro Rans
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Posted - 2009.05.07 23:36:00 -
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I liked it. Keep them comming :3
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CHAOS100
Widowmakers
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Posted - 2009.05.08 06:56:00 -
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I also liked it. It might even be educational, I can tell some newb corp mates to watch it. --------------
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Raelaem Eudain
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Posted - 2009.05.08 08:32:00 -
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Originally by: Kil2
tbh it almost makes me think i should just do a podcast type of thing, but the video is great for supplementing any strategic discussion with actual case evidence and visuals.
In the Armageddon video you where talking about your ideas/methods/reasons for heating in a situation. As a 2008 pilot I am about to get ready for introducing that into my pvp. I would love to hear a podcast regarding heating, because I take it very seriously and I want an experienced opinion on it.
Thx, Rae
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Gavin Darklighter
THE FINAL STAND
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Posted - 2009.05.08 17:05:00 -
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Edited by: Gavin Darklighter on 08/05/2009 17:08:52
Originally by: Raelaem Eudain I would love to hear a podcast regarding heating, because I take it very seriously and I want an experienced opinion on it.
In a closely matched gang fight you would normally want to overheat your guns at the start so as to take out some of the incoming DPS earlier. If I'm fighting 1v1 against an opponent with an active tank I will overheat the guns a minute or two into the fight when my opponent might be getting low on cap. If you are losing you will wantto heat your stuff as much as you can before you go down without burning anything out.
For overheating your tank you should look in EFT to see what gives you the best results when overheated for your particular fit. On an active shield tank, overheating the shield booster will give you a larger tank than overheating an invuln, but the invuln when overheated will give you a more cap-efficient tank. For an HP armor tank with a single rep you can normally overheat the rep for a very long time since its the only active module you have in your low slots, so its a good idea to keep it overloaded as long as you are not at full armor and nothing is going to burn out. Make sure you have passive modules visible though since you dont want to offline a plate or eanm by mistake.
If you can't figure out when to overload scrams and webs, then you should give up. Likewise for cap injectors.
Originally by: Raelaem Eudain
I'm pretty sure they he/they don't use implants or rigs on their clones/ships, from what Ive gathered from other threads and other
I would imagine that they use cheap implants for fitting stuff. For instance, its cheaper to get a 1% CPU implant than to get a top-named damage control or a fleeting web instead of T2.
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arbiter reborn
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Posted - 2009.05.08 18:39:00 -
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have to say, with wda kinda shaky these days, would be nice to have another eve podcast maybee you should try that with some buddies
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Sard Caid
Gunpoint Diplomacy
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Posted - 2009.05.09 02:32:00 -
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I really wasn't certain how well this would work out until listening to your Betrayal .mp3, and that's turned me. This is definitely a worthwhile endeavor, and allows for two things: those that want a pure entertainment video can watch without the .mp3, while those that wish to hear about what goes on during the engagement have the option of the video plus .mp3 file.
I don't blame you to limiting yourself to your own works, however I think it'd be a simple matter of interviewing other film makers over a VOIP program and going through fights while watching the film. No, you're not going to be able to cover all the avenues within engagements, but the major events and principle tactics used can be easily outlined. Also, there's nothing stopping the commentators from requesting the listener to pause the video.
Thanks for your contributions to the PvP community over the past months Kil2. All the more power to you for finding a way to spread what you like about EVE to others without sacrificing what makes the game fun.
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Kil2
Club Bear Turbo.
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Posted - 2009.05.09 04:39:00 -
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added commentary for seven. will do ursa unleashed sometime this weekend.
thanks for comments
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yourownguns
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Posted - 2009.05.09 05:43:00 -
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gah i was about to go to sleep...
the seven commentary was great, tons of helpful stuff... can't wait to see the next.
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eXeGee
UK1 Zero
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Posted - 2009.05.09 06:46:00 -
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Good job with this commentary, real joy to listen! [center] |

Siiee
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Posted - 2009.05.09 08:27:00 -
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Dual audio is uploading, 4 1/2 hours left :/
I'll post the link in the morning, or just search Eve-Files for "Kil2 Seven Dual Audio".
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Captain Campion
Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2009.05.09 11:46:00 -
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I really like this commentary, you say exactly what I'm thinking, I noticed you did that on the alliance tournament too. Does Club Bear have a public chat channel?
I'm also wondering what the value of Music on Pvp Videos is. I personally would rather have the commentary on videos as default.
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Handon Guild
The Glenn Quagmire Finishing School for Young Ladies Eternal Rapture
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Posted - 2009.05.09 14:42:00 -
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Originally by: Kil2 added commentary for seven. will do ursa unleashed sometime this weekend.
thanks for comments
nice one 
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Master Technique
Club Bear Turbo.
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Posted - 2009.05.09 20:06:00 -
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Originally by: Captain Campion Does Club Bear have a public chat channel?
Yes. Its called Club Bear. =)
We also have a new forum at Club-Bear.com with a public section for general, pvp, and video chat. Feel free to join either=)
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Siiee
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Posted - 2009.05.09 21:49:00 -
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Seven dual audio
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Jen Khai
Black Hawk Down Syndrome
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Posted - 2009.05.10 11:35:00 -
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MOAAAAAAAAAAR
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General Coochie
The Bastards
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Posted - 2009.05.10 20:22:00 -
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Was actually quite nice with commentary. Was skeptic first but its nice to hear some more background concerning the fights.
Got Cooch?, solo PvP movie
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Ender Wiggan
H A V O C
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Posted - 2009.05.10 22:28:00 -
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Hey dude, don't usually comment but just had to for this. This is perfect, I've always thought there was a niche for this sort of thing. Please keep it up, really enjoy all the tactical insights.
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Taudia
Gallente Sane Industries Inc.
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Posted - 2009.05.11 08:09:00 -
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Awesome - keep it up kil2!
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Wensley
Minmatar The Tuskers
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Posted - 2009.05.15 14:05:00 -
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The commentary works really, really well. In fact even more so than the videos its inspiring me to go out to nullsec and look for those good fights.
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Fortune Mitford
Annihilate. Shock Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.16 07:01:00 -
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background info was nice to know would be helpful to young pvpers who get taken in by the popular vids but yeah not sure that it looks to good on ya kil 
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Nova Satar
Annihilate.
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Posted - 2009.05.16 10:38:00 -
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less audio.... MOAR VIDEO!

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Darknesss
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.05.16 18:53:00 -
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Dont know if this has already been asked but have you considered doing commentary for other peoples movies. Perhaps highlighting what a player is doing and why he is doing it.
Think it would be very cool for newer players, and i'd quite enjoy other peoples movies being broken down a bit and analysed.
I dunno maybe im alone thinking that :)
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Kil2
Club Bear Turbo.
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Posted - 2009.05.16 19:23:00 -
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i mentioned it dark and some people thought it was a bad/egotistical idea. some thought it sounded ok though i think <shrug>.
you guys that would rather have videos, i assure you producing these audio things in no way influences the amount of time between videos. been a rough couple weeks so nothing new in the pipe yet =/
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Nova Satar
Annihilate.
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Posted - 2009.05.16 21:13:00 -
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it's very easy to sit back and judge somebodys piloting from watching a video, and would be very poor to try and judge it that way, unless it's your own video 
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Kil2
Club Bear Turbo.
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Posted - 2009.05.16 23:57:00 -
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why would you assume that a review would be negative? just because i might sit back and "judge" someone else's video doesnt mean i would have bad things to say. and besides, some people might appreciate hearing something they could do different to be more effective. in away talking only about my own piloting is limited. sure i have a good idea of why things are being done the way they are, but i have no way of reaching a fresh perspective.
not saying im intent on doing anything like this, just think its odd to view it as such a harsh/critical/negative process. it could just be fun, and i might even be more willing to talk about how awesome they are than i would with myself.
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Darknesss
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.05.17 01:28:00 -
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I agree comentating wouldn't need to be negative. I'd personally love to hear someone elses take on my video, why they think im doing things etc.
Maybe as a courtesy you could just ask for people to volunteer video's for you to commentate or approach them privately and ask if its something they wouldnt mind.
Would surely be atleast worth a test :)
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Handon Guild
The Glenn Quagmire Finishing School for Young Ladies Eternal Rapture
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Posted - 2009.05.17 01:40:00 -
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Edited by: Handon Guild on 17/05/2009 01:41:23 I could be quite cool to get commentary on other movies aswell " with the owners approval ofcause "
I know i wouldnt mind it ones i get my GIG movie released always nice to get someone elses reveiw on how your doing and what you could do better.
And there will always be something you could do better, i know when i watch myself fight in a fraps clip or if i get a loss then im always thinking about what i could have done different Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Navigator |

Nova Satar
Annihilate.
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Posted - 2009.05.17 10:26:00 -
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Originally by: Kil2 why would you assume that a review would be negative? just because i might sit back and "judge" someone else's video doesnt mean i would have bad things to say. and besides, some people might appreciate hearing something they could do different to be more effective. in away talking only about my own piloting is limited. sure i have a good idea of why things are being done the way they are, but i have no way of reaching a fresh perspective.
not saying im intent on doing anything like this, just think its odd to view it as such a harsh/critical/negative process. it could just be fun, and i might even be more willing to talk about how awesome they are than i would with myself.
No, i'm not saying it would be negative, i'm jsut saying it wouldn't be good form.
I'm saying that watching a vid, maybe 2 or 3 times be able to pause whenever, and then making a commentry on the guy, is a bit.... lame. I guess it could be usefull to total noobs who could use it as a training film....
I'd stick to commentating on your own videos, this way you can justify your reasons for doing things, when in reality you don't know what the other guy was thinking.
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Taudia
Gallente Sane Industries Inc. Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2009.05.17 14:30:00 -
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Originally by: Kil2 i mentioned it dark and some people thought it was a bad/egotistical idea. some thought it sounded ok though i think <shrug>.
you guys that would rather have videos, i assure you producing these audio things in no way influences the amount of time between videos. been a rough couple weeks so nothing new in the pipe yet =/
I'd have to agree it could be viewed as egotistical, if you just provide commentary for some video without permission or even giving notice to the creator. I don't see any problem if the video was volunteered, or if permission is granted by the pilot(s) being evaluated.
Personally, as long as it is constructive, I would have no problem with criticism of my pvp'ing in public, but then that's not likely to happen unless I actually make a vid :p
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fmercury
Queens of the Stone Age Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2009.05.17 14:58:00 -
[70]
Needs more ursa unleashed commentary \0/
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Creepo Depot
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Posted - 2009.05.17 19:06:00 -
[71]
Originally by: Nova Satar
No, i'm not saying it would be negative, i'm jsut saying it wouldn't be good form.
I'm saying that watching a vid, maybe 2 or 3 times be able to pause whenever, and then making a commentry on the guy, is a bit.... lame. I guess it could be usefull to total noobs who could use it as a training film....
I'd stick to commentating on your own videos, this way you can justify your reasons for doing things, when in reality you don't know what the other guy was thinking.
In my opinion, piloting in eve is no 'art' or some such nonsense. In 99% of cases there are right and wrong ways to do things, right and wrong decisions to make. True there are often multiple paths to the same end, but with good knowledge of the game its quite easy to see whether a decision was a right or wrong one. With careful observation i don't see why one wouldn't be able to see exactly what the other pilot was trying to do. A good commentator would be able to perceive what was going on and provide their own insight on the situation: what the observed pilot is trying to do, what is going well and what could be improved. Everyone makes mistakes, most of us LOTS of them, and I don't know why it would be insulting to anyone to have them pointed out... obviously it could be made to be insulting but that's not the spirit of this effort.
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Landrassa
Friendly Neighbourhood Extortion Company
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Posted - 2009.05.17 21:33:00 -
[72]
Now all we need is some sort of index to keep track of which ****ups are best shown in which vids, and we can all refer our more ******ed corpmates to the right links instantly 
You fitted what on your ship? Ok, you're going to go watch such and so vid from beginning to end. See that guy at 8:16 that explodes instantly? Yeah? That's what was going to happen to you with that fitting.
But seriously, I think it's pretty awesome to crawl into the mind of other pilots/FC's, so the more vids with commentary/TS recordings out there, the better. There's always more to learn in EVE 
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ZiPZAX
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Posted - 2009.05.20 18:48:00 -
[73]
When will ursa unleashed be done! im SO looking forward to that
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Taudia
Gallente Sane Industries Inc. Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2009.05.21 13:56:00 -
[74]
Originally by: ZiPZAX When will ursa unleashed be done! im SO looking forward to that
Seconded.
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Alva Noto
the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2009.05.22 08:23:00 -
[75]
vewy nice, always liked your vids kil2, and btw is that name from khonnor? - There is nothing. |

Awesome Possum
Insert Obscure Latin Name
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Posted - 2009.06.04 21:41:00 -
[76]
this is too far back.
So kil2, when are there gonna be a few more posted? |

Lukriss
Lone Star Academy
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Posted - 2009.06.05 08:21:00 -
[77]
yea, i was wondering that aswell :)
Originally by: Akita T PROBLEM : Basement is overflowing with water from a ruptured pipe. NORMAL solution: fix the pipe, clean up the water. CCP solution: install a pump to drain water from the base
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Lymitz
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Posted - 2009.06.05 12:07:00 -
[78]
Awuh you left bear?
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BillyBong2
Amarr Destructive Influence KenZoku
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Posted - 2009.06.08 23:48:00 -
[79]
Commentary is great, I can't seem to get Betrayal to download now though.
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Awesome Possum
Insert Obscure Latin Name
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Posted - 2009.06.09 00:39:00 -
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Originally by: Nova Satar it's very easy to sit back and judge somebodys piloting from watching a video, and would be very poor to try and judge it that way, unless it's your own video 
Its not about judging, there's no contest. Its commentary, covering the ships, weapons, modules, and tactics used.
Professional military pilots do exactly this each and every time they fly. Athletes do it all the time.
Why would it be stupid to do it to increase one's skill in a video game?
I'm sure there's plenty of people (judging by this very thread alone) who would love to have kil2 commentary on their own videos.
The best perspective can be someone seeing it afresh. |
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Kil2
coracao ardente Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.06.11 20:10:00 -
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added ursa unleashed finally. i wound up talking more about stuff people mail me about rather than the fights. there just isnt enough time to do both justice =( hope its alright!
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Wang Jing
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Posted - 2009.06.12 00:11:00 -
[82]
Yay another great commentary! Definitly learnt a few things in this one.
Any idea which vid you're gonna do next? |

michael weels
Gallente coracao ardente Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.06.12 00:22:00 -
[83]
Stellar commentary on a stellar piece of vid, really enjoyed this! |

Harotak
THE FINAL STAND Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2009.06.12 01:27:00 -
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Edited by: Harotak on 12/06/2009 01:33:20 I also hate it when people ask me for my fit when
A. it changes
B. you can get it off a killboard
C. its not the fit that wins the fight, its just a small piece of the much larger puzzle
I have to disagree with your viewpoint that a BS should have to choose to be effective against other BS or effective against smaller ships. In my mind BS have so many other disadvantages with SP requirements, isk, and a complete lack of contempt of engagement that they should be effective in a wide range of situations. I'm still not sure if I like apocrypha yet or not. The ability to tackle with just a scram for smaller ships is totally awesome like you said so the changes weren't all bad. I just think that a small cruiser gang should have to work a little harder to be safe from BS guns. Its easy enough to simply bring ewar like TDs or bring logistics to be able to survive against a turret BS, the tracking didn't need as large of a hit as it received IMO. At the absolute VERY least a cruiser sized ship should HAVE to fit to evade BS guns with an AB IMO. I guess what I most miss about BS before the whole nano nerf stuff was not the ability to kill any cruiser or HAC, but the ability to at least drive them off most of the time so that I could escape. That is of course unless they actually used some tactic other than kiting and flying in circles really fast in which case the BS died anyway.
And I also totally love playing the prey and getting people in their predator state of mind before showing my teeth. With 95% of the people they catch being fish that just sit there and die, they are rarely prepared for a shark on their end of their line when they reel it in.
Originally by: Darknesss I agree comentating wouldn't need to be negative. I'd personally love to hear someone elses take on my video, why they think im doing things etc.
Maybe as a courtesy you could just ask for people to volunteer video's for you to commentate or approach them privately and ask if its something they wouldnt mind.
Would surely be atleast worth a test :)
I'd love someone to comment on mine too, but honestly their isn't much fancy piloting, just mostly people getting stomped (myself included). |

DHB WildCat
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.06.12 03:46:00 -
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Kil I know Dark and I would love to see your take on our vids 8). Just be nice! lol But seriously have at ours if you wish.
WildCat
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Siiee
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Posted - 2009.06.12 07:58:00 -
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Edited by: Siiee on 12/06/2009 07:59:15 Ursa dual audio link
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arbiter reformed
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2009.06.12 13:07:00 -
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Originally by: DHB WildCat Kil I know Dark and I would love to see your take on our vids 8). Just be nice! lol But seriously have at ours if you wish.
WildCat
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Jurimaru
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Posted - 2009.06.16 13:46:00 -
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Thanks for nice vids, enjoyed audio-comments as well! Noticed, that mplayer from K-Lite Codec Pack bundle is able to play comments as a 2nd audio stream. You just have to rename mp3 comment file the same as video. For instance, Kil2_seven.mkv for video and kil2_seven_comments.mp3 for audio. Turn on the video and check right-click menu for audio section.
Looking forward to see new vids, Good luck!
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Xasz
The Python Cartel.
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Posted - 2009.06.17 14:27:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Jurimaru Thanks for nice vids, enjoyed audio-comments as well! Noticed, that mplayer from K-Lite Codec Pack bundle is able to play comments as a 2nd audio stream. You just have to rename mp3 comment file the same as video. For instance, Kil2_seven.mkv for video and kil2_seven_comments.mp3 for audio. Turn on the video and check right-click menu for audio section.
Looking forward to see new vids, Good luck!
That's basically what the dual-audio-track ones do already, but that's an interesting way to do it. I'll have to check that out. |

AzazelDev
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Posted - 2009.07.29 16:16:00 -
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Hi Kil2,
thanks a *lot* for your videos, particularly those with added audio commentary. I've been pointed at them by a friend, and they help quite a bit in judging situations for a new pvper like me. For example, it's extremely useful to hear what you have to say about all the ship types. Cause obviously, as a newb, if you have not yet flown it yourself, you don't know too much about a ship, more so if it's a race you cannot fly at all. Now of course one reads the info on practically all ships repeatedly over time, but that gives only 10% of what that ship really is about. By listening to your commentary and at the same time seeing some of your comments put to practice, one can get a lot of the missing 90% without having to actually go through 100eds of engagements first.
I might also mention that your videos have real nice production values, aside from their high informational value, they are really very entertaining to watch.
So thanks a lot once more and keep up the good fighting, Azazael(Dev)
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Taiko NakataH
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Posted - 2009.08.01 18:45:00 -
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Loved all the Videos, im just starting out in PvP again after a long break from EVE, i didn't do to much PvP before but i did spend alot of time watching PvP videos looking for ways to improve however i often found myself confused as to what was actually happening and why, with the commentary it enables me to know, with limited pvp knowledge, exactly what's going through the pilots mind and why certain decisions were made. Hope you make more :>
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EXILIANT
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Posted - 2009.09.20 22:14:00 -
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Dood kudos to the vids very awsome! Well done i myself try to fraps alot but always forget DOH! But you seriously have some good **** going on here. Keep it up and I anticipate your next production.
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Yarinor
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Posted - 2009.09.21 15:04:00 -
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Hey Kil2, loved your commenting on ATVII, but hasn't it been a while since you've released a new vid/commentary?
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Nova Satar
UK1 Zero
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Posted - 2009.09.21 20:55:00 -
[94]
this^
if you could have any ship to pvp with for the porposes of a sick vid, what would it be? 
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Hermus
Chickens with an Attitude
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Posted - 2009.09.22 20:34:00 -
[95]
TBH i thought it would not be much fun to watch videos with comments attached. I have to take that back. I enjoyed a lot and learned stuff from your view on things. Keep it up mate. A great addition!
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Kovorix
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Posted - 2009.09.22 21:04:00 -
[96]
confirming kil2 is the greatest eve pvp video maker ever. come back to us dude!!! "my eve" feels so empty without an update every month or two. I need continued inspiration for going out and losing ships. 
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Kil2
Club Bear
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Posted - 2009.09.22 22:21:00 -
[97]
awww my thread has been resurrected <3
the tournament has totally inspired me. i had footage for maybe 1/3-1/2 of a vid before i went a bit innactive during my wedding and stuff at the end of the summer. im hoping to get back to it and have something for you guys asap.
nova thats a really hard question. i think the ship ide most love to see pvp footage of would be a machariel. its so so cool. followed maybe by rattlesnake and nightmare (though DHB wildcat has given us a lot in the nightmare department.)
thanks a lot guys. ill try to get something going again.
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Shakari Sween
Gallente Urban Mining Corp Rising Phoenix Alliance
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Posted - 2009.09.28 00:08:00 -
[98]
def all worth watching and listening to and watching again.
Keep up the great work! huh? oh its the signature! |

Awesome Possum
Insert Obscure Latin Name
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Posted - 2009.09.28 15:31:00 -
[99]
Kil2 \o/
Grats on the wedding mate, hope that chain is on comfortably.
Now back to the action, we need more pvp commentary, stat. Have you had any more thought on making commentaries for other peoples' videos? ♥
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Mystichal
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Posted - 2009.09.28 21:11:00 -
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Edited by: Mystichal on 28/09/2009 21:13:56 Hey dude, nice commentating in the tourny. So you said in the tourny that you only fly alone, but is that a constant? I mean if i wanted to fly some with you how would i go about doing that?
Gratz on the marriage!
Myst.
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Count MonteCarlo
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2009.09.29 10:47:00 -
[101]
He charges 100m/hour, I went roaming with him last night for a couple of hours and gave him 200m for his time, but it was worth it Sig removed, inappropriate content - Mitnal
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Serajaya
Minmatar German Kings Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2009.10.05 21:30:00 -
[102]
Nice commentary, great idea! Keep it up!
Greets, Sera
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DjmAc10
Minmatar DEFCON. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.10.06 16:20:00 -
[103]
Hey u charge for flying with u? U nasty bastard :p ;)
I saw ur post for the first time yesterday and downloaded the videos u made so far. And I must say, I like it a lot and I think u need to go on with it. And Im looking foward to more commentary vidz of other players (I would prefer the "Way of the Warrior 3" with comments, it¦s my personal favorite Pvp-video).
Keep on the good stuff, and maybe I¦ll get some money together to contact u for a roam with us thru Providence.
greetz dj
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Kil2
Club Bear HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2009.10.07 00:30:00 -
[104]
im glad you guys like it =) im trying to make progress on some new stuff but its slow going atm.
also - i dont charge to roam. count is not my spokesman. but im not easy to pin down either so good luck =)
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Suas
Perkone
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Posted - 2009.10.07 11:11:00 -
[105]
Kil2 is lying, he charges obscene amounts!
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HELLO! My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. PREPARE TO DIE! |

DjmAc10
Minmatar DEFCON. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.10.13 11:15:00 -
[106]
*bump*
WE WANT (more) CANDY!! |

Ltd SpacePig
Consolidated Council Core Factor
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Posted - 2009.10.18 11:19:00 -
[107]
This is some great stuff and i really like it. Keep them coming pls :)
If you want some other videos to comment you should go for the Frigank videos. There are 6 of them and they are really good to watch but you dont allways understand whats going on :)
If you come to Providence sometime we will be waiting for u 
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Leuko Uratne
Prison Break Inc.
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Posted - 2009.10.25 20:16:00 -
[108]
Just checked out the videos. Great stuff, thanks for taking the time to make them!
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Chunky Milk
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Posted - 2009.10.26 18:07:00 -
[109]
*Confirms he paid Kil2 obscene amounts to roam with him* Hehe jk - The commentating is great - Really gives a very in depth view of what's happening. & Grats on the marriage.
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Awesome Possum
Imperium Signal Corps
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Posted - 2010.01.07 21:46:00 -
[110]
kil2's been forcibly retired by the new ball n chain.... c/d? ♥
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Shiroi Okami
Gallente Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.01.30 02:26:00 -
[111]
Loved the videos, any chance you or someone could post what the songs in Betrayal and Seven are?
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fogbird
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.02.11 16:05:00 -
[112]
cool stuff and nice commenting!
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Oregon 9
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Posted - 2010.03.18 20:18:00 -
[113]
Downloaded all of the vids and all of them are brilliant, the pvp itself, the editing, the music, all of it. But I downloaded Seven before I found out about the commentary track versions. Worth re-downloading for commentary? |

fmercury
Club Bear HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.03.18 20:55:00 -
[114]
just download the mp3 separately and play it alongside the movie |
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