Originally by: Retsil Evad

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Now I know where the Minmatar came from. See the movie and you will spot it too.

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Originally by: Thenoran

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Also, Minmatar use duct tape and chewing gum, I didn't see any

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Originally by: Tiny Tove

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Edited by: Tiny Tove on 08/05/2009 12:09:35
Did the good guys win?
I'm guessing yes.

Did they win after being taken to the brink of defeat?
Did they in near defeat, discover a noble sacrifice that guarantees victory?
Did they bicker amongst themselves as to who gets to pay the sacrifice?
Did they explain to the errrr, specially gifted Standard Star Trek Audience, how the plan was going to work and encapsulate it in a simple metaphor, like blowing up a balloon?
Did the plan nearly fail?
Did they then go on to win?
Did the sacrifice turn out to be an actual bonus in the end?

Yes, I'm right aren't I?

You had your game. It sucked. In fact, they ALL sucked.

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Originally by: Nigel Sheldon

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Originally by: Tiny Tove

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Edited by: Tiny Tove on 08/05/2009 12:09:35
Did the good guys win?
I'm guessing yes.

Did they win after being taken to the brink of defeat?
Did they in near defeat, discover a noble sacrifice that guarantees victory?
Did they bicker amongst themselves as to who gets to pay the sacrifice?
Did they explain to the errrr, specially gifted Standard Star Trek Audience, how the plan was going to work and encapsulate it in a simple metaphor, like blowing up a balloon?
Did the plan nearly fail?
Did they then go on to win?
Did the sacrifice turn out to be an actual bonus in the end?

Yes, I'm right aren't I?

You had your game. It sucked. In fact, they ALL sucked.

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you fail on all levels - you are trying to be clever but don't realize that pretty much 99% of movies follow that standard structure - it's called dramatic presentation...

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Originally by: Malcanis

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Originally by: Nigel Sheldon

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you fail on all levels - you are trying to be clever but don't realize that pretty much 99% of movies follow that standard structure - it's called dramatic presentation...

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99% of banal, formulaic movies, yes.
Good movies not so much.

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Originally by: Malcanis

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Originally by: Nigel Sheldon

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Originally by: Tiny Tove

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Edited by: Tiny Tove on 08/05/2009 12:09:35
Did the good guys win?
I'm guessing yes.

Did they win after being taken to the brink of defeat?
Did they in near defeat, discover a noble sacrifice that guarantees victory?
Did they bicker amongst themselves as to who gets to pay the sacrifice?
Did they explain to the errrr, specially gifted Standard Star Trek Audience, how the plan was going to work and encapsulate it in a simple metaphor, like blowing up a balloon?
Did the plan nearly fail?
Did they then go on to win?
Did the sacrifice turn out to be an actual bonus in the end?

Yes, I'm right aren't I?

You had your game. It sucked. In fact, they ALL sucked.

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you fail on all levels - you are trying to be clever but don't realize that pretty much 99% of movies follow that standard structure - it's called dramatic presentation...

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99% of banal, formulaic movies, yes.

Good movies not so much.

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Originally by: Akita T

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Originally by: Malcanis

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Originally by: Nigel Sheldon

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you fail on all levels - you are trying to be clever but don't realize that pretty much 99% of movies follow that standard structure - it's called dramatic presentation...

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99% of banal, formulaic movies, yes.
Good movies not so much.

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ViewersAreMorons

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Originally by: Nigel Sheldon

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Originally by: Malcanis

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Originally by: Nigel Sheldon

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Originally by: Tiny Tove

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Edited by: Tiny Tove on 08/05/2009 12:09:35
Did the good guys win?
I'm guessing yes.

Did they win after being taken to the brink of defeat?
Did they in near defeat, discover a noble sacrifice that guarantees victory?
Did they bicker amongst themselves as to who gets to pay the sacrifice?
Did they explain to the errrr, specially gifted Standard Star Trek Audience, how the plan was going to work and encapsulate it in a simple metaphor, like blowing up a balloon?
Did the plan nearly fail?
Did they then go on to win?
Did the sacrifice turn out to be an actual bonus in the end?

Yes, I'm right aren't I?

You had your game. It sucked. In fact, they ALL sucked.

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you fail on all levels - you are trying to be clever but don't realize that pretty much 99% of movies follow that standard structure - it's called dramatic presentation...

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99% of banal, formulaic movies, yes.

Good movies not so much.

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name a movie that doesn't have a comflict that needs resolving where the odds are pushed to the limits before a stroke of either luck or genius resolves the matter - it's the base of which all movies are made, otherwise you have one very very very boring movie...

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Originally by: Nigel Sheldon

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Originally by: Malcanis

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Originally by: Nigel Sheldon

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Originally by: Tiny Tove

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Edited by: Tiny Tove on 08/05/2009 12:09:35
Did the good guys win?
I'm guessing yes.

Did they win after being taken to the brink of defeat?
Did they in near defeat, discover a noble sacrifice that guarantees victory?
Did they bicker amongst themselves as to who gets to pay the sacrifice?
Did they explain to the errrr, specially gifted Standard Star Trek Audience, how the plan was going to work and encapsulate it in a simple metaphor, like blowing up a balloon?
Did the plan nearly fail?
Did they then go on to win?
Did the sacrifice turn out to be an actual bonus in the end?

Yes, I'm right aren't I?

You had your game. It sucked. In fact, they ALL sucked.

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you fail on all levels - you are trying to be clever but don't realize that pretty much 99% of movies follow that standard structure - it's called dramatic presentation...

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99% of banal, formulaic movies, yes.

Good movies not so much.

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name a movie that doesn't have a comflict that needs resolving where the odds are pushed to the limits before a stroke of either luck or genius resolves the matter - it's the base of which all movies are made, otherwise you have one very very very boring movie...

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Originally by: Nigel Sheldon

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name a movie that doesn't have a comflict that needs resolving where the odds are pushed to the limits before a stroke of either luck or genius resolves the matter - it's the base of which all movies are made, otherwise you have one very very very boring movie...

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withnail and i

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Originally by: Nigel Sheldon

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the odds are pushed to the limits before a stroke of either luck or genius resolves the matter

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Originally by: Tiny Tove

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Edited by: Tiny Tove on 08/05/2009 14:02:51

Originally by: Nigel Sheldon

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the odds are pushed to the limits before a stroke of either luck or genius resolves the matter

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Don't come here holding our response up to a different criteria to the one you laid down in the first place.

You might think you know a thing or two about writing, but I challenge that on the evidence above.


Let's not even bother that your premise ignores all other film genres, comedy, documentarial, ****, horror, the list goes on and on.

Amelie.

It's not even difficult to find a film that is truely excellent that falls outside of the Hollywood formula, it's hilarious that you're holding to it.

City Of God. Not even any good guys in it... can't imagine how you think the good guys win.

What on earth possessed you to even say anything quite as ridiculous anyway?

As good as it gets.
One flew over the cuckoo's nest.

ugh... away with you, too easy.

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"THERE ARE ONLY EIGHT BASIC STORIES"
how many stories do you think have been told on screen? Thousands? More? In fact the answer is EIGHT. They are listed below together with examples.
1.ACHILLES
The fatal flaw that leads to the destruction of the previously flawless individual (Samson and Delilahm superman, fatal attraction and ALL film noir) This is the cornerstone of the crime drama - the flaw not to the hero, but the villian (coloumbo, CSI, Murder she wrote, inspector morse)
2.CANDIDE
The innocent abroad, naive optimism triumphant; the hero (good man) who cannot be kept down (Chariots of fire, forrest gump, indiana jones and james bond films, mr bean, billy elliot, erin brockovich, amelie, a beautiful mind)
3. CINDERELLA
The dream come true; unrecognized virtue recognized at last; goodness triumphant after initally despised; rewards achieved through transformed circumstances (pretty woman, rocky, strictly ballroom, star wars, my big fat greek wedding, shrek, erin brockovich)
4. CIRCLE
The chase; the spider and the fly; the innocent and the victim; mostly the temptress ensnaring the love-struck male (godfather 1, othello, double indemnity, body heat, 9 and half weeks, ALL Film Noir) amelie, insomnia, dangerous liaisons)
5. FAUST
Selling your soul to the devil may bring rewards, but eventually there is a price to be paid; the long term debt; the uncovered secret that catches up with us sooner or later and damns us; the inescapablity of fate (wall street, the seventh seal, the skulls, boiler room, the devils advocate, traffic, the red shoes, ALL horror, ALL speaghetti western genres)
6 ORPHEUS
The gift taken away, the loss of something personal. Either about the tragedy of the loss itself or the searcgh which follows the loss. (Dr Zhivago, rain man, signs, jason and the argonauts)
7. ROMEO AND JULIET
Boy meets girl, boy loses girl, boy finds/does not find girl - it doesn't matter which (west side story, when harry met sally, the graduate, sleepless in seattle, notting hill, titanic, shakespeare in love)
8 TRISTAN
Triangles (eternal or otherwise); man loves woman and unfortunately, one or both are already spoken for (fatal attracation, the graduate, jules et jim, pennies from heaven, remains of the day, dangerous liasisons)

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Originally by: Nigel Sheldon

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the hero's journey

act 1 scene 1 the hero is introduced in their ORDINARY WORLD where
scene 2 - they receive the CALL TO ADVENTURE
scene 3 - they are RELUCTANT at first or REFUSE THE CALL but
scene 4 - they MEET WITH and are encouraged by a MENTOR to
scene 5 - CROSS THE 1st THRESHOLD and enter the special world where
act 2 scene 1 - They APPROACH THE INMOST CABE, crossing a second threshold.
scene 2 - where they endure the SUPREME ORDEAL
scene 3 - they take possession of their REWARD and
act 3 scene 1 - are pursued on THE ROAD BACK to their ordinary world.
scene 2 - they cross the third threshold, experience a RESSURRECTION and are transformed by the experience.
scene 3 - they RETURN WITH THE ELIXIR a boon or treasure to benifit the ordinary world..

this is the basic plot of every single film...a character goes off out of their comfort zone where they do something out of the ordinary..I have never seen amalie, but from what i understand it's about a french chick who goes off to see the world with some stuffed toy or something - she meets obsticles that she must overcome (conflicts) bla bla bla.
it is the same for every film...sorry...
too easy.

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Originally by: Retsil Evad

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...Now I know where the Minmatar came from. See the movie and you will spot it too.

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Originally by: Tiny Tove

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Originally by: Nigel Sheldon

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the hero's journey

act 1 scene 1 the hero is introduced in their ORDINARY WORLD where
scene 2 - they receive the CALL TO ADVENTURE
scene 3 - they are RELUCTANT at first or REFUSE THE CALL but
scene 4 - they MEET WITH and are encouraged by a MENTOR to
scene 5 - CROSS THE 1st THRESHOLD and enter the special world where
act 2 scene 1 - They APPROACH THE INMOST CABE, crossing a second threshold.
scene 2 - where they endure the SUPREME ORDEAL
scene 3 - they take possession of their REWARD and
act 3 scene 1 - are pursued on THE ROAD BACK to their ordinary world.
scene 2 - they cross the third threshold, experience a RESSURRECTION and are transformed by the experience.
scene 3 - they RETURN WITH THE ELIXIR a boon or treasure to benifit the ordinary world..

this is the basic plot of every single film...a character goes off out of their comfort zone where they do something out of the ordinary..I have never seen amalie, but from what i understand it's about a french chick who goes off to see the world with some stuffed toy or something - she meets obsticles that she must overcome (conflicts) bla bla bla.
it is the same for every film...sorry...
too easy.

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That's NOT what you said.

You can tell what you said by simply scrolling up and READING what you said.

You have simply changed your standpoint and declared victory. If you were the first person on the internet to use that argumentative construct I could understand how you might think you just won something perhaps. But you're simply not even in the first million people to do it.

Yes, I rather imagine it is TOO EASY for you to "WIN" something this way. Now, when you've grown out of it, get back to me. If all you have are further examples of it or other such common internet nonsense, then get prepared for derisive laughter, because me assuming you're an adult and continuing to respond to you like you are despite your continued efforts to prove your not will not continue any further.

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