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Rashmika Clavain
Gallente Revelation Space
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Posted - 2009.05.08 14:18:00 -
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If the service is installed by the patching process, simply stop it... disable it... reboot and uninstall the service.
I don't see the problem, sc.exe is your friend Removed. Please keep your EVE signature related to your EVE persona and not that of a real life politician. Navigator |
Vir Hellnamin
Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2009.05.08 14:19:00 -
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Edited by: Vir Hellnamin on 08/05/2009 14:23:33
Originally by: Capella
If it IS the case that the software has to be installed regardless or whether I use it or not then here are two account subscriptions that are being cancelled. Simple as that.
Can I have your stuff?
Then after answering that, read the dev post twice. Option a) is the current method. No mandatory installed crap there currently, so I'd take the pick that not going to be installed in future either.
Then, to be clear: option b) is total bull****. Already mentioned in GDF thread that Chribba's running web-peer&torrent in eve-files.com which is what CCP's trying to "achieve"... CCP could just ask Chribba "to the rescue". -- "Entering MH means instant death. It's worse than 0.0. Even the asteroids shoot back." - Alex Harumichi [GRD]
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Vak'ran
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Posted - 2009.05.08 14:23:00 -
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Originally by: Vir Hellnamin Edited by: Vir Hellnamin on 08/05/2009 14:19:18
Originally by: Capella
If it IS the case that the software has to be installed regardless or whether I use it or not then here are two account subscriptions that are being cancelled. Simple as that.
Can I have your stuff?
Then after answering that, read the dev post twice. Option a) is the current method. No mandatory installed crap there currently, so I'd take the pick that not going to be installed in future either.
It still doesnt hurt to inform CCP of the fact that there will be no acceptance of 'phasing it in' as the preferred patching system over the next few patches. That piece of software is rather despicable in its design. -----
Vak'Ran is your local official non-dedicated part-time advocate of reading comprehension and proliferation of intelligence on the EVE Online Forums. |
Drunk Driver
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.05.08 14:23:00 -
[34]
You are not forced to use the Pando download method. It's an option.
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Lazarann
Caldari Balls Deep Inc.
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Posted - 2009.05.08 14:27:00 -
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You're dumb if you think you're forced to install the software tbh
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Perramas
Caldari Pan Caldarian Ventures
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Posted - 2009.05.08 14:29:00 -
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Edited by: Perramas on 08/05/2009 14:29:34
Originally by: CCP Hypnotic "Please note that there is no intention of replacing the primary download system (BITS) at this time, this would be offered as well as / in place of the bittorrent option."
I have live long enough and read enough legalize crap from corporations/companies to know what "at this time" means.
The "at this time" disclaimer means at some point in the future there wont be an option you will be using this method. ----------------- ôItÆs too late to work within the system, and too soon to shoot the bastards.ö |
Atnal
Raddick Explorations
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Posted - 2009.05.08 14:32:00 -
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Edited by: Atnal on 08/05/2009 14:35:29 http://www.jasonn.com/turning_off_unnecessary_services_on_windows_xp
How to disable services in Windows XP. Should be the same as Vista.
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Vak'ran
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Posted - 2009.05.08 14:35:00 -
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Originally by: Atnal http://www.jasonn.com/turning_off_unnecessary_services_on_windows_xp
How to disable services in Windows XP. Should be the same as Vista.
would be kind of sad if this became a neccesary bother to keep eve up to date in the future now wouldn't it? -----
Vak'Ran is your local official non-dedicated part-time advocate of reading comprehension and proliferation of intelligence on the EVE Online Forums. |
Snasty
Caldari The Hippies House of Mercury
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Posted - 2009.05.08 14:36:00 -
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Originally by: Veskya I certainly dont want such crap installed on my PC either...
Ditto
--------------------------------------- -=Snasty, short for Shagnasty ever since the GM's in SWG made me change it...!=- |
IncognitoX23
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Posted - 2009.05.08 14:38:00 -
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Do you ever play Company of Heroes? They did the same thing awhile back. Big difference was they didn't tell you about it at all.
You already have open ports to your machine or you wouldn't be playing at all. So either forget about it and play or move on to something else :) This is a non-topic (considering they told you up front) Signature locked. |
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Nihiliax
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Posted - 2009.05.08 14:43:00 -
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Quiz Time
"Hey Kids, install this great, new, free application and we'll show you a picture of Angelina Jolie's bazookas"
"Hey Kids, install this great, new, free application and we'll let you continue playing your favourite online game"
One of the above is a typical example of using social engineering to spread malicious software to the unsuspecting. Can you tell which?
Oh.... Hang on... I think I messed that up?!?!
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Hurricane Carter
0ccam's Razor Nexus-Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.08 14:52:00 -
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Signing for optional install. I do not want a service installed on my PC that I did not specifically ask for.
Optional install: FINE
Optional use, **** that !
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Kale Kold
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.05.08 14:58:00 -
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Originally by: Lazarann You're dumb if you think you're forced to install the software tbh
Tell that to the testers on Sisi, they have just realised they all have it installed with NO notification whatsoever!!!!
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Aramoro
Gallente StateCorp HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2009.05.08 15:02:00 -
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Try reading the game development forum. Installing experimental and unsupported patches and software to your computer is at your own risk. You opt-in to messing with your computer as soon as you try to use SISI.
Aramoro [S]tateCorp - "We are the Presscorp" |
Vir Hellnamin
Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2009.05.08 15:02:00 -
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Originally by: Kale Kold
Originally by: Lazarann You're dumb if you think you're forced to install the software tbh
Tell that to the testers on Sisi, they have just realised they all have it installed with NO notification whatsoever!!!!
Nope. Just patched to 88271 using the "good old" method.
-- "Entering MH means instant death. It's worse than 0.0. Even the asteroids shoot back." - Alex Harumichi [GRD]
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Ix Forres
Caldari Vanguard Frontiers Sc0rched Earth
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Posted - 2009.05.08 15:06:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Hypnotic Others have already quoted the important part of the original message. Here it is again just for clarity:
"Please note that there is no intention of replacing the primary download system (BITS) at this time, this would be offered as well as / in place of the bittorrent option."
What this line means is that you will have two options if you wish to download the full installer from our website (Patches will not be changed at all). You can either (a) click the link and download the file directly from our servers just like you always have, or you can (b) choose to use the new downloader that installs a daemon. Totally up to you.
I'd be interested to hear why CCP doesn't just adopt Bittorrent. There are many free clients, it's usable by the majority of people, and I'm damn certain a lot of people in the community would more than happily donate their bandwidth to helping people get the game- I know I'd be more than happy to seed from my server, which does have some serious connectivity, and I can't imagine Chribba not helping- and then ofc there's all the EVE players who use Bittorrent for other purposes who could seed as they download other stuff.
Technically none of these solutions offer any real advantage over a standard Bittorrent client as far as I can see. Is this just a bad case of NIH? -- Ix Forres EVE Application Developer ISKsense | EVE Metrics (NEW) | I Tweet |
Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2009.05.08 15:07:00 -
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Edited by: Jim McGregor on 08/05/2009 15:08:32
You do know that BITS operates just like a torrent client as well, right?
If you dont like stuff being automatically installed without your knowledge, why are you running Windows in the first place? Its what it does!
And yes, CCP, why not just offer a guide on how to install and download a standard torrent client? Why reinvent the wheel?
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Originally by: Roguehalo Can you nano Titans?
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Kale Kold
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.05.08 15:07:00 -
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Hmmm...
CCP need to make it absolutely crystal clear what happens around install time and wether we have a choice if its installed or not.
We need a full official statement about this.
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Gnulpie
Minmatar Miner Tech
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Posted - 2009.05.08 15:07:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Hypnotic
"Please note that there is no intention of replacing the primary download system (BITS) at this time, this would be offered as well as / in place of the bittorrent option."
So you plan to make it optional at this time but make it mandatory later on? Or did I misunderstand something here?
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Ix Forres
Caldari Vanguard Frontiers Sc0rched Earth
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Posted - 2009.05.08 15:11:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 08/05/2009 15:07:07
You do know that BITS operates just like a torrent client as well, right?
If you dont like stuff being automatically installed without your knowledge, why are you running Windows in the first place? Its what it does!
BITS operates just like a torrent in the same way that my download manager operates just like a torrent. It, uh, doesn't.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Background_Intelligent_Transfer_Service
BITS is basically HTTP. There's not much reason I can come up with as to why CCP would use BITS over HTTP in any case other than making life harder for non-Win32 users, as it stops you using download managers such as DownThemAll to download, pause, recover from internet connection issues, and so on. Everything I've heard about installing EVE recently has been complaints- I know many people who've had to redownload several times, if not more. -- Ix Forres EVE Application Developer ISKsense | EVE Metrics (NEW) | I Tweet |
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Tataki Wisako
Trans-Solar Works Rooks and Kings
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Posted - 2009.05.08 15:11:00 -
[51]
I am starting to think CCP is actually run by Steve Ballmer.
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2009.05.08 15:17:00 -
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Originally by: Ix Forres
BITS is basically HTTP. There's not much reason I can come up with as to why CCP would use BITS over HTTP in any case other than making life harder for non-Win32 users, as it stops you using download managers such as DownThemAll to download, pause, recover from internet connection issues, and so on. Everything I've heard about installing EVE recently has been complaints- I know many people who've had to redownload several times, if not more.
I stand corrected. I assumed that there would be a point having BITS in Windows. Now I know there isnt since its just a basic download manager with a name marketing people loves.
The rest of us will hopefully get a standard http link to the file and download it by whatever program we choose, since thats the way some people like it.
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Originally by: Roguehalo Can you nano Titans?
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Something Random
Gallente Fusion Enterprises Ltd Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2009.05.08 15:22:00 -
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CCP - its becoming apparent that just getting the game client to download in one fully installable piece is becoming difficult nowadays. I myself hang around for that direct link to the full patch via HTTP.
This cant be good.
So to top it off you now are going to go the route of installing unwanted software onto peoples machines as well.
I usually dont have a problem with you guys but now its getting all a little too 'corporate' and 'thoughtless' which usually translates to thinking too deep on the financial side.
I wont quit if this p2p method is used but ill try everything to scrub the little **** off my comp when its done. Why do you want to make people do this ? whats the plan ?
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Kale Kold
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.05.08 15:26:00 -
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Originally by: Something Random Why do you want to make people do this ? whats the plan ?
Probably trying to save a buck by using our bandwidth instead of theirs!
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2009.05.08 15:27:00 -
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Edited by: Jim McGregor on 08/05/2009 15:34:33
Originally by: Kale Kold
Originally by: Something Random Why do you want to make people do this ? whats the plan ?
Probably trying to save a buck by using our bandwidth instead of theirs!
Its more efficient, will be faster and doesnt use nearly as much server bandwidth but I still dont get why they have to reinvent the wheel and install a daemon in peoples systems when there are plenty of torrent clients.
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Originally by: Roguehalo Can you nano Titans?
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Kweel Nakashyn
Minmatar Star's Dust Industrie
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Posted - 2009.05.08 15:38:00 -
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Originally by: Veskya I certainly dont want such crap installed on my PC either...
qft Fetchez la vache ! moar(tm) < soon(tm) :(
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Marchocias
Silent Ninja's
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Posted - 2009.05.08 15:50:00 -
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Er, ok:
1) IT IS OPTIONAL. THUS NOT ILLEGAL.
2) EVEN IF YOU INSTALL IT, YOU CAN JUST GO INTO THE SERVICES MANAGER IN WINDOWS AND DISABLE IT AFTERWARDS.
3) THE EULA ALLOWS CCP TO CHANGE THE EULA. AND THUS THE EULA ALLOWS CCP TO DO THIS, EVEN IF IT ISN'T OPTIONAL, AS YOU DO ALWAYS HAVE THE OPTION TO BUGGER OFF AND NOT PLAY EVE.
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Kuar Z'thain
Fraser's Finest
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Posted - 2009.05.08 16:12:00 -
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Love the lack of reading comprehension.
CCP said it wont install unless you want it to, yet you keep whining.
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Illwill Bill
Svea Rike Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.08 16:22:00 -
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Edited by: Illwill Bill on 08/05/2009 16:22:36 While I welcome CCP's efforts to find alternative ways of distributing the client, I would advise against using Pando. The Pando client is poorly written, and consumes far too much bandwidth and resources with the standard settings.
Plain bit-torrent would be the optimal sollution as I see it.
Originally by: CCP Zulupark
WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU?
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Tyllie
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2009.05.08 16:23:00 -
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Originally by: Dear Abby Almost as classic as deleting peoples boot.ini files -
You gotta admit that was hilarious. CCP is the r0x0r!
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