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Kale Kold
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.05.08 12:06:00 -
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Edited by: Kale Kold on 08/05/2009 12:09:13
 Originally by: CCP Mephysto
Some of you may have noticed we are testing a new method of downloading the installer for Singularity. This system, called Pando, is a hybrid http download and p2p download system that should allow for much faster downloads to occur. The system operates similarly to bittorrent, and will install a small daemon on your PC that will allow the p2p component to work.
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1065424
In the next patch CCP are planning to install a daemon program on YOUR computer to download patches via a P2P network. They are going to make this mandatory and without your permission!!! Some ISPs don't allow access to P2P networks either!
NO THANK YOU!!!
MAKE THIS AN OPTION BEFORE INSTALLATION!!! NOT AFTER!!! 
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Vir Hellnamin
Gradient
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2009.05.08 12:07:00 -
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"Please note that there is no intention of replacing the primary download system (BITS) at this time, this would be offered as well as / in place of the bittorrent option."
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Cadela Fria
Amarr
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.05.08 12:08:00 -
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Edited by: Cadela Fria on 08/05/2009 12:08:21
1. ""Please note that there is no intention of replacing the primary download system (BITS) at this time, this would be offered as well as / in place of the bittorrent option.""
2. So don't download the client..more bandwidth for the rest of us.
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Rivqua
Caldari
Omega Wing
R.E.P.O.
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Posted - 2009.05.08 12:08:00 -
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Edited by: Rivqua on 08/05/2009 12:08:17
Originally by: Kale Kold
Originally by: CCP Mephysto
Some of you may have noticed we are testing a new method of downloading the installer for Singularity. This system, called Pando, is a hybrid http download and p2p download system that should allow for much faster downloads to occur. The system operates similarly to bittorrent, and will install a small daemon on your PC that will allow the p2p component to work.
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1065424
In the next patch CCP are planning to install a daemon program on YOUR computer to download patches via a P2P network. They are going to make this mandatory and without your permission!!!
NO THANK YOU!!!
MAKE THIS AN OPTION BEFORE INSTALLATION!!! NOT AFTER!!!
some cheese with that whine?
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Kale Kold
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.05.08 12:09:00 -
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Edited by: Kale Kold on 08/05/2009 12:11:36
Originally by: Vir Hellnamin
"Please note that there is no intention of replacing the primary download system (BITS) at this time, this would be offered as well as / in place of the bittorrent option."
You must like bloat and extra services running wether you use them or not then??? This should be an installation OPTION not installed by default!
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
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Posted - 2009.05.08 12:12:00 -
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Originally by: Kale Kold
Originally by: Vir Hellnamin
"Please note that there is no intention of replacing the primary download system (BITS) at this time, this would be offered as well as / in place of the bittorrent option."
You must like bloat and extra services running wether you use them or not then???
I don't use capships and POS labs — they're just bloat and should be removed as well.
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Fulber
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Posted - 2009.05.08 12:19:00 -
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So let's see...
We have the plain normal BitTorrent method of distributed bandwidth loading, which uses any one of a number of small, light, free client programs, most of which can be configured to only use a certain amount of bandwidth.
There's the Blizzard method, which is a separate patching program that uses BitTorrent to ease the load off of their own servers, but once done with it's not running. (This may have changed in the two years since I gave up that horrible game)
Then we could go with a BitTorrent engine inside the actual client, set to use upload bandwidth very conservatively so that normal gameplay isn't interrupted and stops when you exit.
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Jupiter Contraction
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Posted - 2009.05.08 12:30:00 -
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Being a devout Catholic I resent the fact that CCP will be manifesting the dark arts in my PC.
I think I may have to leave the game and no you can't my stuff because all your souls are now damned.
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
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Posted - 2009.05.08 12:37:00 -
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Originally by: Jupiter Contraction
I think I may have to leave the game and no you can't my stuff because all your souls are now damned.
True, but so is your stuff — better send it back where it belongs before it infests the innocent… 
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“If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡…
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.”
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Dear Abby
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Posted - 2009.05.08 12:40:00 -
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Almost as classic as deleting peoples boot.ini files -
At least you can disable/limit this somehow as stated in the other thread of course technically that violates the panda eula that you agree to in order to install their software.
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Akutarou
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.05.08 12:45:00 -
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Yay, Pando. Had my fans freak out (i.e CPU temp went up) and stopped responding last time I dealt with it, downloading some other MMO client.
Then again, next try everything went fine and resume worked dandy.
Though, as this isn't obligatory, what's the harm?
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Alacante
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Posted - 2009.05.08 12:46:00 -
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atleast they've told us about it, not telling us would be more offensive, oh and btw u signed the T&C on signup so they're entitled to put whatever they want in the directory aslong as it doesnt mess with other files... remember when you buy the game its the liscence not the game ;)
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Kale Kold
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.05.08 13:04:00 -
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Originally by: Alacante
atleast they've told us about it, not telling us would be more offensive, oh and btw u signed the T&C on signup so they're entitled to put whatever they want in the directory aslong as it doesnt mess with other files... remember when you buy the game its the liscence not the game ;)
Please show me the license text where it says that they are allowed to install a P2P service (daemon) on my PC. Services run in the background at ALL TIMES!! consuming RAM and CPU cycles. A Service isn't something that runs only when EVE is running!
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Adeline Grey
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Posted - 2009.05.08 13:22:00 -
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Originally by: Kale Kold
Originally by: Alacante
atleast they've told us about it, not telling us would be more offensive, oh and btw u signed the T&C on signup so they're entitled to put whatever they want in the directory aslong as it doesnt mess with other files... remember when you buy the game its the liscence not the game ;)
Please show me the license text where it says that they are allowed to install a P2P service (daemon) on my PC. Services run in the background at ALL TIMES!! consuming RAM and CPU cycles. A Service isn't something that runs only when EVE is running!
Shut up.
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Kale Kold
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.05.08 13:34:00 -
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Originally by: Pando EULA
In order to use the Services, you hereby grant permission for the Software to utilize the processor and bandwidth of your computer for the limited purposes of (i) facilitating the transfer of digital files and communication between the users of the Software and the Services and (ii) facilitating the transfer of digital files to servers for purposes of posting content on websites or blogs and (iii) pasting links to content in instant messages and RSS feeds.
http://www.pando.com/eula
This means the software will hijack your internet connection to spread whatever file CCP wants.
This is Malware!!!
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Lothros Andastar
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.05.08 13:40:00 -
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Yup, malware through and through
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Veskya
Elite Aeronautic Developer Syndicate
Kraftwerk.
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Posted - 2009.05.08 13:42:00 -
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I certainly dont want such crap installed on my PC either...
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Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.05.08 13:47:00 -
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Expected diabolarie left disappointed.
ISSUE - Bring Space Bushido to CAOD |
Matrix Skye
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2009.05.08 13:48:00 -
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Originally by: Kale Kold
Originally by: Pando EULA
In order to use the Services, you hereby grant permission for the Software to utilize the processor and bandwidth of your computer for the limited purposes of (i) facilitating the transfer of digital files and communication between the users of the Software and the Services and (ii) facilitating the transfer of digital files to servers for purposes of posting content on websites or blogs and (iii) pasting links to content in instant messages and RSS feeds.
http://www.pando.com/eula
This means the software will hijack your internet connection to spread whatever file CCP wants.
This is Malware!!!
If this is true then the man's got a point  .
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Jerera
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.05.08 13:54:00 -
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Haha, I use FreeBSD, so this crap will never run on my PC ! 
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CCP Hypnotic
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Posted - 2009.05.08 13:55:00 -
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Others have already quoted the important part of the original message. Here it is again just for clarity:
"Please note that there is no intention of replacing the primary download system (BITS) at this time, this would be offered as well as / in place of the bittorrent option."
What this line means is that you will have two options if you wish to download the full installer from our website (Patches will not be changed at all). You can either (a) click the link and download the file directly from our servers just like you always have, or you can (b) choose to use the new downloader that installs a daemon. Totally up to you.
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Cade Morrigan
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.05.08 13:56:00 -
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Edited by: Cade Morrigan on 08/05/2009 13:56:28
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.05.08 13:57:00 -
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Quote:
facilitating the transfer of digital files to servers for purposes of posting content on websites or blogs and (iii) pasting links to content in instant messages and RSS feeds.
If this is indeed the case, then it is just wrong that CCP uses this crap, no matter if it is a choice or not. This is just a spam bot.
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Kambiri Zoltana
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.05.08 14:03:00 -
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IS their a way to hack the deamon crap of my computer?
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Kale Kold
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.05.08 14:06:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Hypnotic
(b) choose to use the new downloader that installs a daemon. Totally up to you.
What we want to know is do we get a choice on wether or not the software is actually installed, NOT if we are going to use it or not!!!
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
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Posted - 2009.05.08 14:08:00 -
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Originally by: Kale Kold
Originally by: CCP Hypnotic
(b) choose to use the new downloader that installs a daemon. Totally up to you.
What we want to know is do we get a choice on wether or not the software is actually installed, NOT if we are going to use it or not!!!
^^ This, tbh.
There's a huge difference between an optional install and optional use. The latter is not enough.
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“If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡…
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.”
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Weight What
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Posted - 2009.05.08 14:09:00 -
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Originally by: Kale Kold
Originally by: CCP Hypnotic
(b) choose to use the new downloader that installs a daemon. Totally up to you.
What we want to know is do we get a choice on wether or not the software is actually installed, NOT if we are going to use it or not!!!
I thought you were a conspiracy nut at first, but the more I read this thread the more I too would like an answer to this.
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RaTTuS
BIG
Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2009.05.08 14:09:00 -
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Originally by: Kambiri Zoltana
IS their a way to hack the deamon crap of my computer?
yes - don't use that option
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Capella
Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2009.05.08 14:13:00 -
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I don't care about the option of using it or not. I care about it being installed on my computer as a mandatory option.
If it IS the case that the software has to be installed regardless or whether I use it or not then here are two account subscriptions that are being cancelled. Simple as that.
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.05.08 14:17:00 -
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Before everyone goes emo, just read what he wrote:
You can CHOOSE to use a downloader that INSTALLS that crap. So if you dont choose to use that downloader, obviously nothing will be installed.
Just use the normal downloader and there is no problem.
However my problem is that apparently CCP cooperates now with spammers (if that part copied from the eula is correct, then they are just spammers).
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Rashmika Clavain
Gallente
Revelation Space
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Posted - 2009.05.08 14:18:00 -
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If the service is installed by the patching process, simply stop it... disable it... reboot and uninstall the service.
I don't see the problem, sc.exe is your friend 
Removed. Please keep your EVE signature related to your EVE persona and not that of a real life politician. Navigator |
Vir Hellnamin
Gradient
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2009.05.08 14:19:00 -
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Edited by: Vir Hellnamin on 08/05/2009 14:23:33
Originally by: Capella
If it IS the case that the software has to be installed regardless or whether I use it or not then here are two account subscriptions that are being cancelled. Simple as that.
Can I have your stuff?
Then after answering that, read the dev post twice. Option a) is the current method. No mandatory installed crap there currently, so I'd take the pick that not going to be installed in future either.
Then, to be clear: option b) is total bull****. Already mentioned in GDF thread that Chribba's running web-peer&torrent in eve-files.com which is what CCP's trying to "achieve"... CCP could just ask Chribba "to the rescue".
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"Entering MH means instant death. It's worse than 0.0. Even the asteroids shoot back." - Alex Harumichi [GRD]
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Vak'ran
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Posted - 2009.05.08 14:23:00 -
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Originally by: Vir Hellnamin
Edited by: Vir Hellnamin on 08/05/2009 14:19:18
Originally by: Capella
If it IS the case that the software has to be installed regardless or whether I use it or not then here are two account subscriptions that are being cancelled. Simple as that.
Can I have your stuff?
Then after answering that, read the dev post twice. Option a) is the current method. No mandatory installed crap there currently, so I'd take the pick that not going to be installed in future either.
It still doesnt hurt to inform CCP of the fact that there will be no acceptance of 'phasing it in' as the preferred patching system over the next few patches. That piece of software is rather despicable in its design.
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Drunk Driver
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.05.08 14:23:00 -
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You are not forced to use the Pando download method. It's an option.
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Lazarann
Caldari
Balls Deep Inc.
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Posted - 2009.05.08 14:27:00 -
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You're dumb if you think you're forced to install the software tbh
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Perramas
Caldari
Pan Caldarian Ventures
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Posted - 2009.05.08 14:29:00 -
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Edited by: Perramas on 08/05/2009 14:29:34
Originally by: CCP Hypnotic
"Please note that there is no intention of replacing the primary download system (BITS) at this time, this would be offered as well as / in place of the bittorrent option."
I have live long enough and read enough legalize crap from corporations/companies to know what "at this time" means.
The "at this time" disclaimer means at some point in the future there wont be an option you will be using this method.
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Atnal
Raddick Explorations
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Posted - 2009.05.08 14:32:00 -
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Edited by: Atnal on 08/05/2009 14:35:29
http://www.jasonn.com/turning_off_unnecessary_services_on_windows_xp
How to disable services in Windows XP. Should be the same as Vista.
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Vak'ran
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Posted - 2009.05.08 14:35:00 -
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Originally by: Atnal
http://www.jasonn.com/turning_off_unnecessary_services_on_windows_xp
How to disable services in Windows XP. Should be the same as Vista.
would be kind of sad if this became a neccesary bother to keep eve up to date in the future now wouldn't it?
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Snasty
Caldari
The Hippies
House of Mercury
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Posted - 2009.05.08 14:36:00 -
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Originally by: Veskya
I certainly dont want such crap installed on my PC either...
Ditto
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IncognitoX23
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Posted - 2009.05.08 14:38:00 -
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Do you ever play Company of Heroes?
They did the same thing awhile back. Big difference was they didn't tell you about it at all.
You already have open ports to your machine or you wouldn't be playing at all. So either forget about it and play or move on to something else :) This is a non-topic (considering they told you up front)
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Nihiliax
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Posted - 2009.05.08 14:43:00 -
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Quiz Time
"Hey Kids, install this great, new, free application and we'll show you a picture of Angelina Jolie's bazookas"
"Hey Kids, install this great, new, free application and we'll let you continue playing your favourite online game"
One of the above is a typical example of using social engineering to spread malicious software to the unsuspecting. Can you tell which?
Oh.... Hang on... I think I messed that up?!?!
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Hurricane Carter
0ccam's Razor
Nexus-Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.08 14:52:00 -
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Signing for optional install. I do not want a service installed on my PC that I did not specifically ask for.
Optional install: FINE
Optional use, **** that !
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Kale Kold
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.05.08 14:58:00 -
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Originally by: Lazarann
You're dumb if you think you're forced to install the software tbh
Tell that to the testers on Sisi, they have just realised they all have it installed with NO notification whatsoever!!!!
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Aramoro
Gallente
StateCorp
HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2009.05.08 15:02:00 -
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Try reading the game development forum. Installing experimental and unsupported patches and software to your computer is at your own risk. You opt-in to messing with your computer as soon as you try to use SISI.
Aramoro
[S]tateCorp - "We are the Presscorp" |
Vir Hellnamin
Gradient
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2009.05.08 15:02:00 -
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Originally by: Kale Kold
Originally by: Lazarann
You're dumb if you think you're forced to install the software tbh
Tell that to the testers on Sisi, they have just realised they all have it installed with NO notification whatsoever!!!!
Nope. Just patched to 88271 using the "good old" method.
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Ix Forres
Caldari
Vanguard Frontiers
Sc0rched Earth
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Posted - 2009.05.08 15:06:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Hypnotic
Others have already quoted the important part of the original message. Here it is again just for clarity:
"Please note that there is no intention of replacing the primary download system (BITS) at this time, this would be offered as well as / in place of the bittorrent option."
What this line means is that you will have two options if you wish to download the full installer from our website (Patches will not be changed at all). You can either (a) click the link and download the file directly from our servers just like you always have, or you can (b) choose to use the new downloader that installs a daemon. Totally up to you.
I'd be interested to hear why CCP doesn't just adopt Bittorrent. There are many free clients, it's usable by the majority of people, and I'm damn certain a lot of people in the community would more than happily donate their bandwidth to helping people get the game- I know I'd be more than happy to seed from my server, which does have some serious connectivity, and I can't imagine Chribba not helping- and then ofc there's all the EVE players who use Bittorrent for other purposes who could seed as they download other stuff.
Technically none of these solutions offer any real advantage over a standard Bittorrent client as far as I can see. Is this just a bad case of NIH?
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EVE Application Developer
ISKsense | EVE Metrics (NEW) | I Tweet |
Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2009.05.08 15:07:00 -
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Edited by: Jim McGregor on 08/05/2009 15:08:32
You do know that BITS operates just like a torrent client as well, right?
If you dont like stuff being automatically installed without your knowledge, why are you running Windows in the first place? Its what it does!
And yes, CCP, why not just offer a guide on how to install and download a standard torrent client? Why reinvent the wheel?
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Can you nano Titans?
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Kale Kold
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.05.08 15:07:00 -
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Hmmm...
CCP need to make it absolutely crystal clear what happens around install time and wether we have a choice if its installed or not.
We need a full official statement about this.
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Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
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Posted - 2009.05.08 15:07:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Hypnotic
"Please note that there is no intention of replacing the primary download system (BITS) at this time, this would be offered as well as / in place of the bittorrent option."
So you plan to make it optional at this time but make it mandatory later on? Or did I misunderstand something here?
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Ix Forres
Caldari
Vanguard Frontiers
Sc0rched Earth
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Posted - 2009.05.08 15:11:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor
Edited by: Jim McGregor on 08/05/2009 15:07:07
You do know that BITS operates just like a torrent client as well, right?
If you dont like stuff being automatically installed without your knowledge, why are you running Windows in the first place? Its what it does!
BITS operates just like a torrent in the same way that my download manager operates just like a torrent. It, uh, doesn't.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Background_Intelligent_Transfer_Service
BITS is basically HTTP. There's not much reason I can come up with as to why CCP would use BITS over HTTP in any case other than making life harder for non-Win32 users, as it stops you using download managers such as DownThemAll to download, pause, recover from internet connection issues, and so on. Everything I've heard about installing EVE recently has been complaints- I know many people who've had to redownload several times, if not more.
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EVE Application Developer
ISKsense | EVE Metrics (NEW) | I Tweet |
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Tataki Wisako
Trans-Solar Works
Rooks and Kings
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Posted - 2009.05.08 15:11:00 -
[51]
I am starting to think CCP is actually run by Steve Ballmer.
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2009.05.08 15:17:00 -
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Originally by: Ix Forres
BITS is basically HTTP. There's not much reason I can come up with as to why CCP would use BITS over HTTP in any case other than making life harder for non-Win32 users, as it stops you using download managers such as DownThemAll to download, pause, recover from internet connection issues, and so on. Everything I've heard about installing EVE recently has been complaints- I know many people who've had to redownload several times, if not more.
I stand corrected. I assumed that there would be a point having BITS in Windows. Now I know there isnt since its just a basic download manager with a name marketing people loves. 
The rest of us will hopefully get a standard http link to the file and download it by whatever program we choose, since thats the way some people like it.
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Originally by: Roguehalo
Can you nano Titans?
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Something Random
Gallente
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2009.05.08 15:22:00 -
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CCP - its becoming apparent that just getting the game client to download in one fully installable piece is becoming difficult nowadays. I myself hang around for that direct link to the full patch via HTTP.
This cant be good.
So to top it off you now are going to go the route of installing unwanted software onto peoples machines as well.
I usually dont have a problem with you guys but now its getting all a little too 'corporate' and 'thoughtless' which usually translates to thinking too deep on the financial side.
I wont quit if this p2p method is used but ill try everything to scrub the little **** off my comp when its done. Why do you want to make people do this ? whats the plan ?
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Kale Kold
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.05.08 15:26:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Something Random
Why do you want to make people do this ? whats the plan ?
Probably trying to save a buck by using our bandwidth instead of theirs! 
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2009.05.08 15:27:00 -
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Edited by: Jim McGregor on 08/05/2009 15:34:33
Originally by: Kale Kold
Originally by: Something Random
Why do you want to make people do this ? whats the plan ?
Probably trying to save a buck by using our bandwidth instead of theirs!
Its more efficient, will be faster and doesnt use nearly as much server bandwidth but I still dont get why they have to reinvent the wheel and install a daemon in peoples systems when there are plenty of torrent clients.
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Originally by: Roguehalo
Can you nano Titans?
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Kweel Nakashyn
Minmatar
Star's Dust Industrie
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Posted - 2009.05.08 15:38:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Veskya
I certainly dont want such crap installed on my PC either...
qft
Fetchez la vache !
moar(tm) < soon(tm) :(
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Marchocias
Silent Ninja's
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Posted - 2009.05.08 15:50:00 -
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Er, ok:
1) IT IS OPTIONAL. THUS NOT ILLEGAL.
2) EVEN IF YOU INSTALL IT, YOU CAN JUST GO INTO THE SERVICES MANAGER IN WINDOWS AND DISABLE IT AFTERWARDS.
3) THE EULA ALLOWS CCP TO CHANGE THE EULA. AND THUS THE EULA ALLOWS CCP TO DO THIS, EVEN IF IT ISN'T OPTIONAL, AS YOU DO ALWAYS HAVE THE OPTION TO BUGGER OFF AND NOT PLAY EVE.
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Kuar Z'thain
Fraser's Finest
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Posted - 2009.05.08 16:12:00 -
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Love the lack of reading comprehension.
CCP said it wont install unless you want it to, yet you keep whining.
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Illwill Bill
Svea Rike
Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.08 16:22:00 -
[59]
Edited by: Illwill Bill on 08/05/2009 16:22:36
While I welcome CCP's efforts to find alternative ways of distributing the client, I would advise against using Pando.
The Pando client is poorly written, and consumes far too much bandwidth and resources with the standard settings.
Plain bit-torrent would be the optimal sollution as I see it.
Originally by: CCP Zulupark
WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU?
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Tyllie
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2009.05.08 16:23:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Dear Abby
Almost as classic as deleting peoples boot.ini files -
You gotta admit that was hilarious. CCP is the r0x0r!
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Faife
Federation of Freedom Fighters
Aggression.
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Posted - 2009.05.08 16:38:00 -
[61]
Originally by: Kuar Z'thain
Love the lack of reading comprehension.
CCP said it wont install unless you want it to, yet you keep whining.
a-yup, these threads are why i still read GD. i get real pleasure out of watching idiots
CCP: this is optional, you have to choose to install it
OP: OMG IS IT OPTIONAL? I'LL QUIT IF IT'S NOT
CCP: yes, it's optional
OP: OMG YOU'RE SO AVOIDING MY QUESTION, THIS IS A CONSPIRACY WE DEMAND TO KNOW IF IT'S OPTIONAL
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Tyllie
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2009.05.08 16:44:00 -
[62]
Oh btw CCP, Can we have an option to install an Astalavista toolbar in or browser? With the next patch? Thnx.
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Darth Vindictus
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Posted - 2009.05.08 16:45:00 -
[63]
Pando= bad bad bad move by CCP!!! This service will leave EVE clients, and also computers with it installed WIDE open to hacks and attacks! Why would CCP even fathom using this piece of trash when there are so many better options out there? CCP should really re-think this or they are going to see a large rise in hacked accounts. It is a poorly written and virtually unsupported piece of no good trash.
DON'T USE PANDO CCP you are simply inviting a lot of trouble for your clients and you will alienate many of them.
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Weight What
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Posted - 2009.05.08 16:56:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Marchocias
2) EVEN IF YOU INSTALL IT, YOU CAN JUST GO INTO THE SERVICES MANAGER IN WINDOWS AND DISABLE IT AFTERWARDS.
What about Starforce or the rootkits installed by Sony you ****ing moron.
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Korrakas
Caldari
Legion of Ascension
Beyond Ascension
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Posted - 2009.05.08 17:00:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Darth Vindictus
Edited by: Darth Vindictus on 08/05/2009 16:49:09
Pando= bad bad bad move by CCP!!! This service will leave EVE clients, and also computers with it installed WIDE open to hacks and attacks! Why would CCP even fathom using this piece of trash when there are so many better options out there? CCP should really re-think this or they are going to see a large rise in hacked accounts. It is a poorly written and virtually unsupported piece of no good trash.
DON'T USE PANDO CCP you are simply inviting a lot of trouble for your clients and you will alienate many of them.
Optional or not most people do not know any better and will simply install it because they trust that CCP would never do anything to harm them intentionally or otherwise. Therefore the majority of those playing EVE will end up with Pando running on their systems.
this thread is starting to remind me of the comments page on a provocative youtube video..
Originally by: CCP Mitnal
I don't have holidays.
I don't leave the forums unattended.
I don't sleep.
I am always here.
Watching.
Waiting.
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Vak'ran
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Posted - 2009.05.08 17:02:00 -
[66]
Edited by: Vak''ran on 08/05/2009 17:06:34
Originally by: Faife
Originally by: Kuar Z'thain
Love the lack of reading comprehension.
CCP said it wont install unless you want it to, yet you keep whining.
a-yup, these threads are why i still read GD. i get real pleasure out of watching idiots sensible people
CCP: for now this is optional, you have to choose to install it
OP: OMG IS IT OPTIONAL? I'LL QUIT IF IT'S NOT
CCP: yes, it's optional, for now
rest: can we have an option we can trust and operate ourselves please? could it remain an option please? what's with the huge holes in that EULA?
fixed some things you werent reading
edit:
CCP needs this feedback, if nobody ever was critical or expressed their wishes... skynet
there is a much more sensible thread on game development where devs are thanking people for exactly what is said here.
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Kale Kold
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.05.08 17:07:00 -
[67]
This is from the Pando entry on Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pando_(application)
Originally by: Pando entry on Wikipedia
Pando functions very much like any BitTorrent. It does, in fact, function as a normal BitTorrent client. Pando uses the BitTorrent protocol to transfer files.
So CCP, why not use ordinary vanilla BitTorrent that most of us already have!?!?!?!?
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Tyllie
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2009.05.08 17:09:00 -
[68]
nullá 0_o áá null
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HankMurphy
Minmatar
Pelennor Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.05.08 17:09:00 -
[69]
OMG CCP HEARD I LIKED SOFTWARE SO THEY PUT SOFTWARE IN MY SOFTWARE EVERYBODY PANIC !!!1111
 you ppl crack me up
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Kale Kold
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.05.08 17:12:00 -
[70]
Edited by: Kale Kold on 08/05/2009 17:16:18
Originally by: HankMurphy
OMG CCP HEARD I LIKED SOFTWARE SO THEY PUT SOFTWARE IN MY SOFTWARE EVERYBODY PANIC !!!1111
you ppl crack me up
You don't know what a service is do you.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_service
Quote:
On Microsoft Windows operating systems, a Windows service is a long-running executable that performs specific functions and which is designed not to require user intervention. Windows services can be configured to start when the operating system is booted and run in the background as long as Windows is running, or they can be started manually when required. They are similar in concept to a Unix daemon. Many appear in the processes list in the Windows Task Manager, most often with a username of SYSTEM, LOCAL SERVICE or NETWORK SERVICE, though not all processes with the SYSTEM username are services. The remaining services run through svchost.exe as DLLs loaded into memory.
Tell me again why we need another running to download a patch?
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Khorkrak
Gallente
Megaparsec Imports
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Posted - 2009.05.08 17:16:00 -
[71]
You could just install linux and not worry about windows services and such being installed.
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Kale Kold
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.05.08 17:18:00 -
[72]
Edited by: Kale Kold on 08/05/2009 17:19:47
Originally by: Khorkrak
You could just install linux and not worry about windows services and such being installed.
Yes but as much as i love ubuntu (and lets face it, it's the nearest you're gonna get to windows user friendly'ness atm), it isn't ready for the desktop just yet. Another 2-3 years and we should be there. Especially because microshaft keeps dropping the ball with vista/7 etc.
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eXeGee
UK1 Zero
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Posted - 2009.05.08 17:20:00 -
[73]
i accidentally agreed to install this thing while upgrading sisi client (404 error on patch)
fortunatelly i've unistalled it already, when noticed...
it was eating 22MB of my memory!!!!111oneone thats way too much for a small deamon tbh
i hope ccp gonna make traditional patching available
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Idocrase
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Posted - 2009.05.08 17:26:00 -
[74]
Meh.
It's a service. Which means the socond reboot after installation, I will have killed it.
However. That does not mean I approve of it. Windows is lucky to have the services it does, and the notion of third party ones irritates the hells out of me. Especially a third party as utterly crap as pando. GTFO my Eve folder.
I will not be agreeing to install it.
If it installs anyway, I will kill it. And sending angry emails all over the place. (E-threats, woo hoo!)
If it becomes mandatory...
I will go back to my private Freelancer server, invite a few dozen friends, and never arse around with patches for any game ever again.
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ZinderX500
Mythos Corp
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.08 17:27:00 -
[75]
Edited by: ZinderX500 on 08/05/2009 17:28:12
Edited by: ZinderX500 on 08/05/2009 17:27:49
Originally by: CCP Hypnotic
"Please note that there is no intention of replacing the primary download system (BITS) at this time"
Epic.
Originally by: Vir Hellnamin
Then, to be clear: option b) is total bull****. Already mentioned in GDF thread that Chribba's running web-peer&torrent in eve-files.com which is what CCP's trying to "achieve"... CCP could just ask Chribba "to the rescue".
WTH? With Chribba's site i can use WHATEVER CLIENT I FRAKIN CHOOSE to download the files.
Not some pando pondo crap.
Originally by: Jim McGregor
Its more efficient, will be faster and doesnt use nearly as much server bandwidth but I still dont get why they have to reinvent the wheel and install a daemon in peoples systems when there are plenty of torrent clients.
I thought we are already paying for this bandwidth ?
So i guess that when CCP introduces this pondo thing, people that will use it will also get cheaper subscription prices ? NO.
Also, boot.ini was optional as well AT THIS TIME.
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Kale Kold
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.05.08 17:30:00 -
[76]
Originally by: eXeGee
fortunatelly i've unistalled it already, when noticed...
it was eating 22MB of my memory!!!!111oneone thats way too much for a small deamon tbh
OMG!!!
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Viqer Fell
Minmatar
When Hippo Attacks Go Wrong
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Posted - 2009.05.08 17:32:00 -
[77]
This is progress people.
Last year on these forums people were banging on about sad panda's. Now it's evolved into sad pando's.
In 2010 it'll be bad pando's and then next thing you know we'll have forgotten what we were talking about....
Sounds to me like a classic case of people shouting rabble rabble rabble about something trivial because they've nothing serious to worry about. Install it if you want to accept having it on your pc. Don't install it if you don't.
I fail to see the issue for non-idiots who make informed choices and don't just click yes because they're too lazy to pay attention to what they're doing.
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Banana Torres
The Green Banana Corporation
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Posted - 2009.05.08 17:32:00 -
[78]
When the BBC first launched its iPlayer they used kservice p2p to download the programmes. It caused them so much grief that they quickly adopted streaming as the way to watch. I am sure that CCP's bandwidth bills are high, but compared to the cost of having to deal with the thousands of customer service enquires caused because they can't test their p2p program in all the setups that the users have, it is peanuts.
And ****ed off customers are far less likely to resubscribe.
So CCP, go speak to the beeb.
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Idocrase
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Posted - 2009.05.08 17:36:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Banana Torres
When the BBC first launched its iPlayer they used kservice p2p to download the programmes. It caused them so much grief that they quickly adopted streaming as the way to watch. I am sure that CCP's bandwidth bills are high, but compared to the cost of having to deal with the thousands of customer service enquires caused because they can't test their p2p program in all the setups that the users have, it is peanuts.
And ****ed off customers are far less likely to resubscribe.
So CCP, go speak to the beeb.
Wasn't that Channel4 on Demand? Cos that STILL uses KService.
Only thing BBC is good for is Dr Who anyway.
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2009.05.08 17:42:00 -
[80]
WHY CALM DOWN AND THINK WHEN SCREAMING AT THE TOP OF YOUR LUNGS IS SO MUCH MORE FUN ?!?!
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Banana Torres
The Green Banana Corporation
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Posted - 2009.05.08 17:48:00 -
[81]
Originally by: Idocrase
Wasn't that Channel4 on Demand? Cos that STILL uses KService.
Only thing BBC is good for is Dr Who anyway.
When it was first launched the iPlayer used kservice. Originally it just installed and ran kservice with no limits on bandwidth, causing some people to get their broadband usage resticted by their ISP. Then they changed to the iPlayer download manager, which allowed you to set some stuff to do with the p2p. And finally that was replaced by the BBC iPlayer Desktop which has lost the p2p.
The beeb is also good for Top Gear. And the smut to BBC 4.
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Marcus Mannimarco
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Posted - 2009.05.08 18:01:00 -
[82]
Originally by: Kale Kold
Originally by: Something Random
Why do you want to make people do this ? whats the plan ?
Probably trying to save a buck by using our bandwidth instead of theirs!
I'm going to put this very bluntly, so that there is no room for misunderstanding.
Don't like the product? **** off and stop buying. It's not like anyone's forcing you to buy anything. You're just one customer in a goddamn sea of customers. I doubt no one will miss a couple conspiracy theorists.
I for one, am all in for p2p networking. More bandwidth, faster speeds, easier access, better time. Good developement 10/10.
I do feel for those people who's ISPs don't allow p2p networking, if there are such, luckily you don't have to use the service.
For others, you have your answer.
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fuze
Gallente
Chosen Path
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2009.05.08 18:08:00 -
[83]
That service is called 'boot.ini'?
It sure ain't gonna be installed on my puters evah.
Why not use the plain bittorrent way if you're hurtin for bandwith.
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Shy1
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Posted - 2009.05.08 18:11:00 -
[84]
Originally by: Marcus Mannimarco
Don't like the product? **** off and stop buying. It's not like anyone's forcing you to buy anything. You're just one customer in a goddamn sea of customers. I doubt no one will miss a couple conspiracy theorists.
That approach is not really good customer relations is it. I bet SOE thought that while developing the NGE for SWG and look how that ended. CCP should never take any of their customers for granted.
Originally by: Marcus Mannimarco
I for one, am all in for p2p networking. More bandwidth, faster speeds, easier access, better time. Good developement 10/10.
So am i, but P2P networking and stealth services are two COMPLETELY DIFFERENT issues!!!
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Armoured C
Gallente
Federation of Freedom Fighters
Aggression.
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Posted - 2009.05.08 18:19:00 -
[85]
armageddon is comming and he got beams run away \o/
if you buy eve in a box from my game store i will give you isk (GAME , parkgate rotherham)
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Qwyp
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Posted - 2009.05.08 18:25:00 -
[86]
nice so even when logged out of eve the service stays running using your bandwidth to upload client to others...
uhm a lot of people's isps's are turning to tier'ed usage and giving limits. Also for people with crappy connections will suck if they don't know how to configure it and it's using most the bandwidth causing them to lag all the time in eve and eventually give up.
Or some unsuspecting guy gets an insane isp bill cause he didn't know or something.
still a bad idea to have a p2p service installed that runs permanently that most noobs don't know how to do anything with it.
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Hepziba
Canadian Imperial Armaments
Aggression.
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Posted - 2009.05.08 18:26:00 -
[87]
I'm unsure why CCP would use Pando unless it was either 1) personally used by CCP staff already (which I don't think it's a good idea to base a wide commercial use off of personal use experience), 2) Pando is paying them to use their software and 3) CCP is either taking quite a load on their bandwidth and would like to free some up.
I say that Pando is paying them and not just giving them software for free to test or experiement with because there is just as simple a solution that's also free (bittorent). I could also be completely wrong and we are all just tinfoil hat-wearing crazies, but I can't think of another reason to use a paid service over a free one. I've never heard of or dealt with Pando until now, but a quick search of Pando implies that it is a very invasive piece of software.
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Cypherous
Minmatar
Liberty Rogues
Rally Against Evil
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Posted - 2009.05.08 18:28:00 -
[88]
Edited by: Cypherous on 08/05/2009 18:27:59
Sounds fine to me, and to the people whining about security, if your PC is the only line of defense on your network you have bigger things to deal with than this service
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Tressin Khiyne
Minmatar
The Tal'Shiar
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Posted - 2009.05.08 18:28:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Faife
Originally by: Kuar Z'thain
Love the lack of reading comprehension.
CCP said it wont install unless you want it to, yet you keep whining.
a-yup, these threads are why i still read GD. i get real pleasure out of watching idiots
CCP: this is optional, you have to choose to install it
OP: OMG IS IT OPTIONAL? I'LL QUIT IF IT'S NOT
CCP: yes, it's optional
OP: OMG YOU'RE SO AVOIDING MY QUESTION, THIS IS A CONSPIRACY WE DEMAND TO KNOW IF IT'S OPTIONAL
fatastic - lots of lols
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Kleitos
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2009.05.08 18:31:00 -
[90]
Sorry if this is already covered somewhere, but is there anywhere to just download the .torrent files for the patches and use our own BitTorrent program to download this?
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Qwyp
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Posted - 2009.05.08 18:32:00 -
[91]
Originally by: Cypherous
Edited by: Cypherous on 08/05/2009 18:27:59
Sounds fine to me, and to the people whining about security, if your PC is the only line of defense on your network you have bigger things to deal with than this service
to me it's not about that, the bigger issue is it's a service running 24/7 even when logged off of eve constantly using your upload stream as it shares.
So, while you play eve or doing whatever you're constantly saturating your bandwidth, of course if you're one of those with an isp that charges stupidly at a certain level then it will suck. If not it's still using up bandwidth and running 24/7 lagging you in any online game you play.
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Sim Cognito
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Posted - 2009.05.08 18:35:00 -
[92]
I do not want that **** into my system.It reminds my of securom.Both are trojans that you pay and legally accept to enter and eat your system.
Also check out this,from the pando EULA
In order to use the Services, you hereby grant permission for the Software to utilize the processor and bandwidth of your computer for the limited purposes of (i) facilitating the transfer of digital files and communication between the users of the Software and the Services and (ii) facilitating the transfer of digital files to servers for purposes of posting content on websites or blogs and (iii) pasting links to content in instant messages and RSS feeds.
in other words your computer resources are now ours.
SAY NO TO THAT ******
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Tressin Khiyne
Minmatar
The Tal'Shiar
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Posted - 2009.05.08 18:35:00 -
[93]
Blocking or stopping a service is really not a difficult thing. This really is a whole heap of fuss about nothing.
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Qwyp
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Posted - 2009.05.08 18:40:00 -
[94]
might be easy for us, but look at the majority of players, gamers, etc, go search google for how do i turn off service, there's millions of pages of noobs begging for help or how to etc.
no most wont know, just like the boot.ini remember it? most didnt know how to fix it.
sure a few of us had 0 problems cause we know how to replace it in 60 seconds or less, but remember the 100+ pages of people asking how do i do it? and even with instructions still screwed it up.
So yea, normal users will just be screwed.
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Hepziba
Canadian Imperial Armaments
Aggression.
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Posted - 2009.05.08 18:52:00 -
[95]
Originally by: Sim Cognito
Pando EULA
(ii) facilitating the transfer of digital files to servers for purposes of posting content on websites or blogs and (iii) pasting links to content in instant messages and RSS feeds.
Hah, now that's not tinfoil hattery, sounds more like consenting to sending spam and ads from your computer to other people.
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Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.05.08 18:56:00 -
[96]
What interests me is that out of the gazillion things these 'services' could have been called it was decided to go with the ancient word Daemon to describe them.
Originally by: Daemon definition
The daemon as a lesser spiritual being of dangerous, even evil character, an invisible numinous presence
Rather telling I'd say. 
Originally by: Achar Losa
i might be just a 6 year old stupid boy, but he's a CCP dev writing in the forums!
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Mutnin
Mutineers
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Posted - 2009.05.08 18:56:00 -
[97]
Why can't they just offer a direct download of a normal installer, instead of all this experimental crap?
Hell even toss it in a zip file sand break it up into 100 parts if they need to.. Just use parity files with it and we would never get the crc issues. The damn warez guys were doing this years ago it's not like it's hard or complicated.
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annoing
Amarr
Viziam
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Posted - 2009.05.08 19:00:00 -
[98]
Pando = this
Ask to use the Goats Pleasure Palace when you visit the Fanfest this year |
Weight What
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Posted - 2009.05.08 19:14:00 -
[99]
Originally by: Marcus Mannimarco
Originally by: Kale Kold
Originally by: Something Random
Why do you want to make people do this ? whats the plan ?
Probably trying to save a buck by using our bandwidth instead of theirs!
I'm going to put this very bluntly, so that there is no room for misunderstanding.
Don't like the product? **** off and stop buying. It's not like anyone's forcing you to buy anything. You're just one customer in a goddamn sea of customers. I doubt no one will miss a couple conspiracy theorists.
I for one, am all in for p2p networking. More bandwidth, faster speeds, easier access, better time. Good developement 10/10.
I do feel for those people who's ISPs don't allow p2p networking, if there are such, luckily you don't have to use the service.
For others, you have your answer.
Drivel, absolute drivel. You've obviously missed the entire point of the thread.
Quite apart from the privacy issue is the fact that CCP wants to use OUR bandwidth to help distributing THEIR product. Seeing as you obviously have no objections to this process, allow me to commandeer your car to make leafleting runs for the pizza company you order from.
No, I didn't think so.
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Posted - 2009.05.08 19:17:00 -
[100]
Originally by: Marcus Mannimarco
Originally by: Kale Kold
Originally by: Something Random
Why do you want to make people do this ? whats the plan ?
Probably trying to save a buck by using our bandwidth instead of theirs!
I'm going to put this very bluntly, so that there is no room for misunderstanding.
Don't like the product? **** off and stop buying. It's not like anyone's forcing you to buy anything. You're just one customer in a goddamn sea of customers. I doubt no one will miss a couple conspiracy theorists.
I for one, am all in for p2p networking. More bandwidth, faster speeds, easier access, better time. Good developement 10/10.
I do feel for those people who's ISPs don't allow p2p networking, if there are such, luckily you don't have to use the service.
For others, you have your answer.
I'm going to assume you are not from a country/area where there are unofficial "official government sanctioned" monopolies in the Telco sector in certain regions. For instance in my town - if you don't want to use comcast, you don't get internet.
Want to use <insert cable company name>? "Sorry, we do not service your area. To get internet service in your area you will need to use Comcast. Have a nice day!"
I'll leave you to come to the proper conclusion where this leaves users like myself.
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nails
Caldari
Ota Corps
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Posted - 2009.05.08 19:19:00 -
[101]
Originally by: Kale Kold
omg omg omg...*slam a redbull* omg omg omg...*slam a redbull* omg omg omg...*slam a redbull* The end is near! CCP will find my **** collection! The embarassment of such would be more than I could bare!
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Sythyss
Paradigm Council
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Posted - 2009.05.08 19:21:00 -
[102]
wtf is wrong with all of you.
paranoid freaks...
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Pharago
Gallente
Piratas Leprosos Guineanos
Black Core Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.08 19:30:00 -
[103]
Of course removing/unistalling that service would be easy, and so it might be reversing it to really see what its all about inside it. But that does not ****es me off, what ****es me off is CCP choosing such a silly way to handle updates. Why a service/daemon whatever? There are tons of crap already in a normal system as to have to bother with another one. Another thing, i don't like another software vendor accesing my computer just because you seem too lazy to build your own solution. Do you want to use a p2p system to help with updates? Give us a torrent. Simple. Let us choose our client, or use our already working one. It's true you own the game, you set the rules. I dosn't mean you have to **** us. Just saying.
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Sky Marshal
IMpAct Corp
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2009.05.08 19:34:00 -
[104]
Edited by: Sky Marshal on 08/05/2009 19:34:38
Seriously CCP, stop taking us players like morons.
With time, you just make the game more and more for morons.
I already reject BITS system and download only by the fail-safe links because of some security risks (service disabled on my computer).
You always force people to accept some of your discutable choice, while there is some simple ways to purpose new methods of download.
Like... A TORRENT file.
Why don't you just give us a TORRENT file ? Just that ? No, not your small bittorrent client, a REAL TORRENT FILE.
But no, you want simplify it to the extreme, and make it morons-compatable...
Now I expect that you force us to use the Pando system with time, like you do for Classic to Premium.
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Anubis Xian
Reavers
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Posted - 2009.05.08 19:36:00 -
[105]
Edited by: Anubis Xian on 08/05/2009 19:36:46
The issue I see here is that CCP is implying they reserve the right to force the issue later. Which of course is their right, just as it is mine to use my EvE Box...TO P00P ON!
Ahem...Another thing to consider is even though you might be able to disable this Windows Disservice, there is no guarantee that EvE will even run without it running.
Seems like a great way to reduce bandwidth and server load honestly, you foist the burden on the willing and give the unwilling reason to leave entirely.
I have to wonder though, what CCP's ultimate decision about this will be.
EDIT: What kind of idiot filter rules filter ****?
Originally by: CCP Oveur
The client handles no logic, it is simply a dumb terminal.
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Intense Thinker
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.05.08 19:45:00 -
[106]
To all you whiners I say meh!
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Ehronn
Caldari
Nutz N Boltz
Skunk-Works
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Posted - 2009.05.08 19:49:00 -
[107]
you must not have a problem with ccp using your bandwidth 24/7 even when not playing eve.
great for you, others may not.
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Pharago
Gallente
Piratas Leprosos Guineanos
Black Core Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.08 19:51:00 -
[108]
Originally by: Intense Thinker
To all you whiners I say meh!
I see you don't quite honour your name, i guess its all on your tank.
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Threv Echandari
Caldari
K Directorate
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Posted - 2009.05.08 19:59:00 -
[109]
Edited by: Threv Echandari on 08/05/2009 20:00:53
I am not a paranoid freak. I followed the announment on the Game Dev Forum and when I saw Kaldo's "passionate" response I though "Silly Rabbit don't you know what OPTIONAL Means? " Reading Comprehension FTL.
Then I read some more comments and re-read CCP Hypno's response. Particularly:
"At this Time"
Which generally Translates to "Yeah, We will do this later if nobody notices or makes too much of a stink especially since Pando is paying us."
Why else would you pick a steaming pile of crap like Pando when free torrent options are avaialable?
So now I am in the "Paranoid camp". Yes I can Turn off services and can take care of my system but I shouldn't have to. (Thats not the point) I already have to deal with Steam, and EA's crap if I want to play games I like. Quit adding more **** to my PC, I just want to play EVE. As has been stated before, Why can't you use a regular Bitt Torrent Client? (that Doesn't install as a Service) daemon-Feh!
Don't sacrifice your customers goodwill for a Buck/Euro by dealing with disreputable Spam artists like Pando, next thing you know, you'll be working a deal with Gator (GAIN) or MYWEBSEARCH to redo the ingame browser with "New" ad supported browser! We know there are bandwidth problems in getting the client down but there has to be a better way than dealing with the Devil.
Don't be surprised if this comes up as a CSM issue. -NO- Services or messing about with our machines or dealing with Scum-of-the-Internet, boiler-room operations like Pando, please.
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Happiness is a Wet Pod
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Decimus Sellic
Amarr
Sinergy Way
Aegis Militia
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Posted - 2009.05.08 20:03:00 -
[110]
Edited by: Decimus Sellic on 08/05/2009 20:04:32
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say the reason that CCP is opting to use the pando software instead of a .torrent file is because they are being paid by the company that created the pando software...
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Shy1
Caldari
Sugar And Spice
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Posted - 2009.05.08 20:04:00 -
[111]
Originally by: Threv Echandari
next thing you know, you'll be working a deal with Gator (GAIN) or MYWEBSEARCH to redo the ingame browser with "New" ad supported browser!
The funny thing is that the free version of Pando IS add supported and people have had problems with the ads showing fake malware scans and 'advice' so people have installed the fake scanners which are themselves actually malware!!!
http://www.pando.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=11205
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Ak'athra J'ador
Amarr
Can't Decide
Balance of Judgment
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Posted - 2009.05.08 20:10:00 -
[112]
wow
what if CCP would actually create some software which would detect bots. i guess most would want this? well its spyware, it looks around your ram for stuff which shouldn't be there (bots).
i don't see what the big deal is about, most MMOs do worse things (boting detection).
thing is, its all in the eula, and you accept the eula, if you don't like it, then don't accept it, and don't play.
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Devan Reale
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Posted - 2009.05.08 20:19:00 -
[113]
Edited by: Devan Reale on 08/05/2009 20:23:07
Originally by: Weight What
Originally by: Marchocias
2) EVEN IF YOU INSTALL IT, YOU CAN JUST GO INTO THE SERVICES MANAGER IN WINDOWS AND DISABLE IT AFTERWARDS.
What about Starforce or the rootkits installed by Sony you ****ing moron.
First, perhaps I missed the exact language, but I didn't see where there's an option not to install it, but rather an option to use it. Huge difference. HUGE. If I misread the exact text, please correct me and post the exact text. Thanks.
Second, just shutting off a piece of crapware like Pando does NOT mean it's off for good. CCP can easily drop code in EVE to check to see if it's running at launch time, and if not, fire it up.
Simply shutting off a service doesn't mean crap.
Third: if CCP does choose to go the "screw you, you have to use Pando to use EVE", I won't say at this point that I'll quit, but I'll definately install something like Sandboxy and run EVE inside that, since it obviously WILL NOT be safe software any longer.
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Gut Punch
Shade.
Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2009.05.08 20:21:00 -
[114]
Edited by: Gut Punch on 08/05/2009 20:23:49
Originally by: Ak'athra J'ador
wow
what if CCP would actually create some software which would detect bots. i guess most would want this? well its spyware, it looks around your ram for stuff which shouldn't be there (bots).
i don't see what the big deal is about, most MMOs do worse things (boting detection).
thing is, its all in the eula, and you accept the eula, if you don't like it, then don't accept it, and don't play.
Perhaps you haven't seen that in the US Telecom companies are starting to add caps to your internet service policies which will have serious fees attached to exceeding your cap. I don't need something running in the background which will do NOTHING for ME. Do you understand that? I'm paying the ISP - not CCP. So I don't feel like wasting my bandwidth to help them out.
Additionally, this Pando client doesn't appear to have the same controls available as your standard uTorrent/BitTorrent client. Thus the computer owner doesn't get to setup the service. Please note this isn't an accident because nobody in their right mind would want to expose their computers to another form of popup advertising and potential malware.
Please note CCP isn't in control of the content that is brought to your computer beyond the EVE Setup file. Pando provides the adverting to you. So are you going to compain to Pando when something happens?
And seeing as I've invested quite of bit of time and lots of $ into the game for well over 4 years now I'd be quite ****ed off to lose access to the game because I WILL NOT install this on my machine.
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Kale Kold
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.05.08 20:24:00 -
[115]
Originally by: Ak'athra J'ador
thing is, its all in the eula, and you accept the eula, if you don't like it, then don't accept it, and don't play.
Where does it say that CCP can install a P2P Service without my permission?
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CCP Explorer
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Posted - 2009.05.08 20:25:00 -
[116]
Originally by: Kale Kold
In the next patch CCP are planning to install a daemon (service) program on YOUR computer to download patches via a P2P network. They are going to make this mandatory and without your permission!!!
Kale Kold, the claims you make in your post are incorrect.
In fact what we intend to do is the exact opposite. We are not making any changes to how we deliver patches. We are only offering another, optional, method of downloading a full install. This full install option will be offered along with / in place of the optional BitTorrent download option.
Normal HTTP downloads (using the BITS service in Windows) will be the primary method to download installs and patches.
Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson
Software Director
EVE Online, CCP Games |
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Decimus Sellic
Amarr
Sinergy Way
Aegis Militia
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Posted - 2009.05.08 20:28:00 -
[117]
Edited by: Decimus Sellic on 08/05/2009 20:30:06
Originally by: CCP Explorer
Originally by: Kale Kold
In the next patch CCP are planning to install a daemon (service) program on YOUR computer to download patches via a P2P network. They are going to make this mandatory and without your permission!!!
Kale Kold, the claims you make in your post are incorrect.
In fact what we intend to do is the exact opposite. We are not making any changes to how we deliver patches. We are only offering another, optional, method of downloading a full install. This full install option will be offered along with / in place of the optional BitTorrent download option.
Normal HTTP downloads (using the BITS service in Windows) will be the primary method to download installs and patches.
Feel free to answer whether or not the pando software will be installed regardless of how you decide to download the patch....
Edit: spelling
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Carnelian X
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Posted - 2009.05.08 20:30:00 -
[118]
This just in ... CCP moneygrabbers shoot themselves in the foot..... AGAIN
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Brujo Loco
Amarr
Brujeria Teologica
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Posted - 2009.05.08 20:36:00 -
[119]
Bah so much for listening to the voices of reason. No matter what, the "OPTION" will be available, CCP gets the money from PANDO crap , the unwashed masses accept the marvelous "tool" and in the end it will be bussiness as usual.
No matter how optional this "amzing" tool (amazing for CCP getting paid by Pando to use the crap) it's still within the game, makes us associate with it and in the far future will be the norm cuz that's the way bussiness deals within companies go.
Honestly, if CCP needed more money I would gladly take an extra 1$ a month for paying my sub.
You can get 1$ a month by doing or stop doing one simple thing.
I know it's a bussiness, but for the love of Satan, DONT!
WHAT THE HELL CCP?
Do you even realize how much spyware crap can be aquired "legally" thru Pando?
I mean, what are you guys? the NEXT SOE/EA?
Meh ... Pando
WHAT THE HELL CCP?
Viva VENEZUELA!!!
Archipelago Theory
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CCP Explorer
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Posted - 2009.05.08 20:36:00 -
[120]
Originally by: Decimus Sellic
Originally by: CCP Explorer
Kale Kold, the claims you make in your post are incorrect.
In fact what we intend to do is the exact opposite. We are not making any changes to how we deliver patches. We are only offering another, optional, method of downloading a full install. This full install option will be offered along with / in place of the optional BitTorrent download option.
Normal HTTP downloads (using the BITS service in Windows) will be the primary method to download installs and patches.
Feel free to answer whether or not the pando software will be installed regardless of how you decide to download the patch....
I just did, you need to read my reply: "We are not making any changes to how we deliver patches. We are only offering another, optional, method of downloading a full install."
Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson
Software Director
EVE Online, CCP Games |
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Intense Thinker
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.05.08 20:38:00 -
[121]
Originally by: Pharago
Originally by: Intense Thinker
To all you whiners I say meh!
I see you don't quite honour your name, i guess its all on your tank.
Don't impune me honor, boy. I just don't care
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Kale Kold
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.05.08 20:39:00 -
[122]
Originally by: CCP Explorer
Originally by: Kale Kold
In the next patch CCP are planning to install a daemon (service) program on YOUR computer to download patches via a P2P network. They are going to make this mandatory and without your permission!!!
Kale Kold, the claims you make in your post are incorrect.
In fact what we intend to do is the exact opposite. We are not making any changes to how we deliver patches. We are only offering another, optional, method of downloading a full install. This full install option will be offered along with / in place of the optional BitTorrent download option.
Normal HTTP downloads (using the BITS service in Windows) will be the primary method to download installs and patches.
Thankyou very much for your reply but can you please confirm that Pando will NOT be installed if we don't want it installing? Will you give us the OPTION of installing Pando?
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Decimus Sellic
Amarr
Sinergy Way
Aegis Militia
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Posted - 2009.05.08 20:43:00 -
[123]
Originally by: CCP Explorer
Originally by: Decimus Sellic
Originally by: CCP Explorer
Kale Kold, the claims you make in your post are incorrect.
In fact what we intend to do is the exact opposite. We are not making any changes to how we deliver patches. We are only offering another, optional, method of downloading a full install. This full install option will be offered along with / in place of the optional BitTorrent download option.
Normal HTTP downloads (using the BITS service in Windows) will be the primary method to download installs and patches.
Feel free to answer whether or not the pando software will be installed regardless of how you decide to download the patch....
I just did, you need to read my reply: "We are not making any changes to how we deliver patches. We are only offering another, optional, method of downloading a full install."
I dont beleive you did answer the question. My question is, is Pando automatically installed or do we have the choice to install it???
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Devan Reale
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Posted - 2009.05.08 20:45:00 -
[124]
Originally by: Kale Kold
Originally by: Ak'athra J'ador
thing is, its all in the eula, and you accept the eula, if you don't like it, then don't accept it, and don't play.
Where does it say that CCP can install a P2P Service without my permission?
From the EULA, Section 11, Subsection A, second paragraph in its entirety:
Quote:
The Game is comprised of, without limitation, software code, programs, routines, subroutines, objects, files, data, characters (and items, currency, objects and attributes comprising or associated with a character or an Account), graphics, sound effects, music, animation, video, text, content, layout, design and other information downloaded from and accessible through the System (collectively, the "Game Content"). CCP, its affiliates, licensors and/or suppliers retain all of their right, title and interest (including without limitation all intellectual property rights) in and to the Software, System, Game and all Game Content, and no rights thereto are transferred to you, except for the limited license granted above.
Yes, by agreeing to the EULA you are giving them the right to download a new piece of code distributed by Pando, as part of the EVE Online software. Emphasis above mine.
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xSnowwhitex
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Posted - 2009.05.08 20:45:00 -
[125]
Originally by: CCP Explorer
Originally by: Decimus Sellic
Originally by: CCP Explorer
Kale Kold, the claims you make in your post are incorrect.
In fact what we intend to do is the exact opposite. We are not making any changes to how we deliver patches. We are only offering another, optional, method of downloading a full install. This full install option will be offered along with / in place of the optional BitTorrent download option.
Normal HTTP downloads (using the BITS service in Windows) will be the primary method to download installs and patches.
Feel free to answer whether or not the pando software will be installed regardless of how you decide to download the patch....
I just did, you need to read my reply: "We are not making any changes to how we deliver patches. We are only offering another, optional, method of downloading a full install."
do you have any future plans to install zango software with the eve client?
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ZinderX500
Mythos Corp
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.08 20:45:00 -
[126]
Originally by: Sythyss
wtf is wrong with all of you.
paranoid freaks...
I hope this post is full of irony. I really do.
About the people thinking that CCP might add a check in the future to see if we disabled it or not, don't doubt it. Be sure. They already added a stupid check without a frikin reason when you're running EVE through Remote Desktop so i can't expect less of that.
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Ron Bacardi
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Posted - 2009.05.08 20:46:00 -
[127]
Originally by: Kale Kold
Originally by: CCP Hypnotic
(b) choose to use the new downloader that installs a daemon. Totally up to you.
What we want to know is do we get a choice on wether or not the software is actually installed, NOT if we are going to use it or not!!!
Jesus ****ing christ, you are mother****ing dense aren't you?
Originally by: CCP Hypnotic
Others have already quoted the important part of the original message. Here it is again just for clarity:
"Please note that there is no intention of replacing the primary download system (BITS) at this time, this would be offered as well as / in place of the bittorrent option."
What this line means is that you will have two options if you wish to download the full installer from our website (Patches will not be changed at all). You can either (a) click the link and download the file directly from our servers just like you always have, or you can (b) choose to use the new downloader that installs a daemon. Totally up to you.
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Kale Kold
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.05.08 20:47:00 -
[128]
Originally by: Devan Reale
Originally by: Kale Kold
Originally by: Ak'athra J'ador
thing is, its all in the eula, and you accept the eula, if you don't like it, then don't accept it, and don't play.
Where does it say that CCP can install a P2P Service without my permission?
From the EULA, Section 11, Subsection A, second paragraph in its entirety:
Quote:
The Game is comprised of, without limitation, software code, programs, routines, subroutines, objects, files, data, characters (and items, currency, objects and attributes comprising or associated with a character or an Account), graphics, sound effects, music, animation, video, text, content, layout, design and other information downloaded from and accessible through the System (collectively, the "Game Content"). CCP, its affiliates, licensors and/or suppliers retain all of their right, title and interest (including without limitation all intellectual property rights) in and to the Software, System, Game and all Game Content, and no rights thereto are transferred to you, except for the limited license granted above.
Yes, by agreeing to the EULA you are giving them the right to download a new piece of code distributed by Pando, as part of the EVE Online software. Emphasis above mine.
Nope, you are wrong, that paragraph refers to 'The Game is comprised of...' and 'collectively, the "Game Content"'. Pando is NOT game content, it is a third party download client.
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CCP Explorer
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Posted - 2009.05.08 20:47:00 -
[129]
Originally by: Kale Kold
Thank you very much for your reply but can you please confirm that Pando will NOT be installed if we don't want it installing? Will you give us the OPTION of installing Pando?
Pando is completely optional.
Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson
Software Director
EVE Online, CCP Games |
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ZinderX500
Mythos Corp
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.08 20:48:00 -
[130]
Originally by: CCP Explorer
Pando is completely optional.
For how long will it be completely optional ?
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Devan Reale
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Posted - 2009.05.08 20:50:00 -
[131]
Originally by: Ron Bacardi
Jesus ****ing christ, you are mother****ing dense aren't you?
Well, with respect, it's you that doesn't get what's being asked. Let me try:
1) Some are concerned about Pando being installed, irrespective of whether someone chooses to use the software THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN INSTALLED to download files from CCP. Some don't want known malware automatically installed on their computers, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER IT'S ACTIVELY USED OR NOT. Get it?
CCP has not answered the question about installation, ONLY about whether we MAY CHOOSE TO USE IT FOR DOWNLOADS; to choose to use it, it has to be installed. Some don't want it installed.
Get it?
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Kale Kold
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.05.08 20:51:00 -
[132]
Originally by: Ron Bacardi
Originally by: Kale Kold
Originally by: CCP Hypnotic
(b) choose to use the new downloader that installs a daemon. Totally up to you.
What we want to know is do we get a choice on wether or not the software is actually installed, NOT if we are going to use it or not!!!
Jesus ****ing christ, you are mother****ing dense aren't you?
Originally by: CCP Hypnotic
Others have already quoted the important part of the original message. Here it is again just for clarity:
"Please note that there is no intention of replacing the primary download system (BITS) at this time, this would be offered as well as / in place of the bittorrent option."
What this line means is that you will have two options if you wish to download the full installer from our website (Patches will not be changed at all). You can either (a) click the link and download the file directly from our servers just like you always have, or you can (b) choose to use the new downloader that installs a daemon. Totally up to you.
The quote '(b) choose to use the new downloader that installs a daemon.[/u] Totally up to you.' only implies that using choice B will use the new downloaded that installs a daemon. It DOESN'T[/b] specify when the daemon was installed only that if you choose the B option it will use the daemon which was installed by a new 'downloader'.
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Kale Kold
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.05.08 20:51:00 -
[133]
Edited by: Kale Kold on 08/05/2009 20:52:34
Originally by: CCP Explorer
Originally by: Kale Kold
Thank you very much for your reply but can you please confirm that Pando will NOT be installed if we don't want it installing? Will you give us the OPTION of installing Pando?
Pando is completely optional.
THANKYOU for a concrete and crystal clear answer! You know this is all it needed.
Thankyou for the option! My faith is restored!
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CCP Explorer
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Posted - 2009.05.08 20:52:00 -
[134]
Originally by: Decimus Sellic
I dont beleive you did answer the question. My question is, is Pando automatically installed or do we have the choice to install it???
I have already answered the question. This was very clear from CCP Mephysto's original post, as well as from repeated replies from CCP Hypnotic and myself in this thread.
But let me answer it yet again: We are testing an optional method for downloading the full install. You can still use the the primary method to download the install, which is regular HTTP download (using the BITS service in Windows). We are not making any changes to patch downloads.
Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson
Software Director
EVE Online, CCP Games |
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Devan Reale
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Posted - 2009.05.08 20:53:00 -
[135]
Originally by: Kale Kold
Nope, you are wrong, that paragraph refers to 'The Game is comprised of...' and 'collectively, the "Game Content"'. Pando is NOT game content, it is a third party download client.
Not quite. If CCP chooses to make the Pando software (the collective term, not a term referring to source code compiled into EVE Online), then it becomes part of EVE Online. "The Game is comprised of... code, programs, routines, subroutines, object, files..." It's cut and dry.
Would you like me to ask some of the copywrite attorneys at the law firm I work at, or will you just ignore whatever I post?
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Kale Kold
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.05.08 20:54:00 -
[136]
Edited by: Kale Kold on 08/05/2009 20:54:54
Originally by: CCP Explorer
Originally by: Decimus Sellic
I dont beleive you did answer the question. My question is, is Pando automatically installed or do we have the choice to install it???
I have already answered the question. This was very clear from CCP Mephysto original post, as well as from repeated replies from CCP Hypnotic and myself in this thread.
But let me answer it yet again: We are testing an optional method for downloading the full install. You can still use the the primary method to download the install, which is regular HTTP download (using the BITS service in Windows). We are not making any changes to patch downloads.
Yes i understand but your language is confusing. An optional method of downloading is entirely different from an option software installation.
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Kale Kold
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.05.08 20:54:00 -
[137]
Originally by: Devan Reale
Would you like me to ask some of the copywrite attorneys at the law firm I work at, or will you just ignore whatever I post?
Address? Number?
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2009.05.08 20:55:00 -
[138]
Originally by: ZinderX500
Also, boot.ini was optional as well AT THIS TIME.
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Originally by: Roguehalo
Can you nano Titans?
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Devan Reale
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Posted - 2009.05.08 20:57:00 -
[139]
Originally by: Kale Kold
Originally by: Devan Reale
Would you like me to ask some of the copywrite attorneys at the law firm I work at, or will you just ignore whatever I post?
Address? Number?
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Decimus Sellic
Amarr
Sinergy Way
Aegis Militia
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Posted - 2009.05.08 20:58:00 -
[140]
Edited by: Decimus Sellic on 08/05/2009 20:58:47
Originally by: Kale Kold
Edited by: Kale Kold on 08/05/2009 20:54:54
Originally by: CCP Explorer
Originally by: Decimus Sellic
I dont beleive you did answer the question. My question is, is Pando automatically installed or do we have the choice to install it???
I have already answered the question. This was very clear from CCP Mephysto original post, as well as from repeated replies from CCP Hypnotic and myself in this thread.
But let me answer it yet again: We are testing an optional method for downloading the full install. You can still use the the primary method to download the install, which is regular HTTP download (using the BITS service in Windows). We are not making any changes to patch downloads.
Yes i understand but your language is confusing. An optional method of downloading is entirely different from an option software installation.
Exactly, with that type of wording it looked like you were avoiding answering the question directly. However it has now been answered with you staeting that Pando is completely optional. Thank you
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Brujo Loco
Amarr
Brujeria Teologica
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Posted - 2009.05.08 20:59:00 -
[141]
Originally by: CCP Explorer
Originally by: Kale Kold
Thank you very much for your reply but can you please confirm that Pando will NOT be installed if we don't want it installing? Will you give us the OPTION of installing Pando?
Pando is completely optional.
I think I understand what Kaldo is trying to ask.
See, when a CCP blue bar says something, its a quoted verbatim truth, what he prolly wants is an specific answer that can't be construed/deconstructed/quoted off context to specify that even if it's OPTIONAL, it wont be a necessary part of the GAME CLIENT and that disabling it in the future will make EVE unable to run.
What you guys are doing is opening up a whole can of worms regarding how you handle your product to the people and the community and it's better if you state a solid wording without hidden meanings that can be applied later to justify loathsome acts of rampant Adware/malware infiltration into our systems from a game WE LOVE.
Yes, its optional, yes, you are free to do it, but somehow it's a policy change that most people, including me, were not aware of in regards to CCP.
It's not paranoia, it's not blatant rabble rabble rousing, it's the fact that you are doing things with your game that some people do not approve in ways that go beyond the usual nerf or stealth nerf
It's more of credibility, trust and enjoyment of the environment you have created.
If somehow, CCP is open to selling itself to the highest bidder regardless of said bidder's reputation speaks more than simply installing Pando and wheter its optional or not.
If you are going that way, its better to come out clearly saying yes, you will be selling yourself to said highest bidders regardless of the crap they announce and people can react accordingly to that. It goes beyond the game.
Honestly I'm shocked, I would expect this behaviour out of SoE/EA , it's how they handle things and they give a crap about what people think of their products, they just produce them, so coming from them , it's ok, to be expected, even rational given their bussiness practices.
Shock and outrage is that this is coming from CCP. That's all, some people get it , other's dont, thats how life is, but for us, that care about this, it's something that in reality needs to be addressed first, instead of just blurting it out and saying it's safe simply because it's "OPTIONAL".
Viva VENEZUELA!!!
Archipelago Theory
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Ron Bacardi
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Posted - 2009.05.08 20:59:00 -
[142]
Here, i stripped everything away and made bullet points. Maybe now you can finish reading to the end of the sentence.
Originally by: CCP Hypnotic
- You can either (a) click the link and download the file directly from our servers just like you always have
OR
- CHOOSE to use the new downloader that installs a daemon.
So, if you don't CHOOSE to use the new downloader, it WONT INSTALL the daemon according to what CCP has described.
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Posted - 2009.05.08 21:02:00 -
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Locked.
Please note that we will not be installing any service on your PC.
This is an additional option on how to download a full installation of EVE.
Mitnal
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Threv Echandari
Caldari
K Directorate
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Posted - 2009.05.08 21:03:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Explorer
......Stuff...
This full install option will be offered along with / in place of the optional BitTorrent download option.
Normal HTTP downloads (using the BITS service in Windows) will be the primary method to download installs and patches.
Thank you for correcting that Statement CCP Explorer, I thought he was going off the deep end with that whopper. I I understand that the regular Bits option will still be avialable to install the full client and patches. Thats great, glad to hear it.
But, (and I'm Sorry to Pick nits here.) When you say "Along with /in place"
Does this mean that the Pando installer will only be avialable for installation only if we decide to download the the full client using the Bit-torrent /Pando option on the web site?
OR
Will a future patch of the EVE Client install the Pando client/service and we will always have the "Option" to use it since it will have been installed it on our systems via and Eve Update?
Corallary to that is it (Pando)only for full Downloads?
and of course for the Ulra paranoid set.. If you decide to use the "Pando" option, Will Eve still funcion if you disable/remove it After you have gotten your Files/Updates? (Yes I know that a silly one but it has to be asked)
Am I dancing about with semantics?, Yes but no more so than the other forum *****s (And others who really should take their meds..)
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JBX Sparky
Caldari
ThunderStar Inc
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Posted - 2009.05.08 21:04:00 -
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in an attempt to clarify all this is this i think i am correct but it may help others to have it spelled out this way we see i guess tho i imagine a few will still have a go at me for it as it seems the way of the forums atm
senario 1
the next patch will be downloaded using normal methods like bits and pando will NOT be installed during this patch
senario 2
i need a full client download so i can either
a = download using a bits full client with no pando install being done
or
b = install pando if i chose and download a full client using it and uninstall pando at the end of the install
also you are able to play eve without ever having to install pando
is this correct ccp or am i wrong?
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ZinderX500
Mythos Corp
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.08 21:07:00 -
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Originally by: Kale Kold
Thankyou for the option! My faith is restored!
yaya have faith until they decide it's time for it to stop being optional.
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