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Qwyp
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Posted - 2009.05.08 18:32:00 -
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Originally by: Cypherous Edited by: Cypherous on 08/05/2009 18:27:59 Sounds fine to me, and to the people whining about security, if your PC is the only line of defense on your network you have bigger things to deal with than this service
to me it's not about that, the bigger issue is it's a service running 24/7 even when logged off of eve constantly using your upload stream as it shares.
So, while you play eve or doing whatever you're constantly saturating your bandwidth, of course if you're one of those with an isp that charges stupidly at a certain level then it will suck. If not it's still using up bandwidth and running 24/7 lagging you in any online game you play.
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Sim Cognito
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Posted - 2009.05.08 18:35:00 -
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I do not want that **** into my system.It reminds my of securom.Both are trojans that you pay and legally accept to enter and eat your system.
Also check out this,from the pando EULA
In order to use the Services, you hereby grant permission for the Software to utilize the processor and bandwidth of your computer for the limited purposes of (i) facilitating the transfer of digital files and communication between the users of the Software and the Services and (ii) facilitating the transfer of digital files to servers for purposes of posting content on websites or blogs and (iii) pasting links to content in instant messages and RSS feeds.
in other words your computer resources are now ours.
SAY NO TO THAT ******
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Tressin Khiyne
Minmatar The Tal'Shiar
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Posted - 2009.05.08 18:35:00 -
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Blocking or stopping a service is really not a difficult thing. This really is a whole heap of fuss about nothing. --
Save the SEXY in EVE!
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Qwyp
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Posted - 2009.05.08 18:40:00 -
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might be easy for us, but look at the majority of players, gamers, etc, go search google for how do i turn off service, there's millions of pages of noobs begging for help or how to etc.
no most wont know, just like the boot.ini remember it? most didnt know how to fix it.
sure a few of us had 0 problems cause we know how to replace it in 60 seconds or less, but remember the 100+ pages of people asking how do i do it? and even with instructions still screwed it up.
So yea, normal users will just be screwed.
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Hepziba
Canadian Imperial Armaments Aggression.
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Posted - 2009.05.08 18:52:00 -
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Originally by: Sim Cognito Pando EULA
(ii) facilitating the transfer of digital files to servers for purposes of posting content on websites or blogs and (iii) pasting links to content in instant messages and RSS feeds.
Hah, now that's not tinfoil hattery, sounds more like consenting to sending spam and ads from your computer to other people.
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.05.08 18:56:00 -
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What interests me is that out of the gazillion things these 'services' could have been called it was decided to go with the ancient word Daemon to describe them.
Originally by: Daemon definition The daemon as a lesser spiritual being of dangerous, even evil character, an invisible numinous presence
Rather telling I'd say.
Originally by: Achar Losa i might be just a 6 year old stupid boy, but he's a CCP dev writing in the forums!
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Mutnin
Mutineers
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Posted - 2009.05.08 18:56:00 -
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Why can't they just offer a direct download of a normal installer, instead of all this experimental crap?
Hell even toss it in a zip file sand break it up into 100 parts if they need to.. Just use parity files with it and we would never get the crc issues. The damn warez guys were doing this years ago it's not like it's hard or complicated.
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annoing
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2009.05.08 19:00:00 -
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Pando = this
Ask to use the Goats Pleasure Palace when you visit the Fanfest this year |
Weight What
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Posted - 2009.05.08 19:14:00 -
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Originally by: Marcus Mannimarco
Originally by: Kale Kold
Originally by: Something Random Why do you want to make people do this ? whats the plan ?
Probably trying to save a buck by using our bandwidth instead of theirs!
I'm going to put this very bluntly, so that there is no room for misunderstanding.
Don't like the product? **** off and stop buying. It's not like anyone's forcing you to buy anything. You're just one customer in a goddamn sea of customers. I doubt no one will miss a couple conspiracy theorists.
I for one, am all in for p2p networking. More bandwidth, faster speeds, easier access, better time. Good developement 10/10.
I do feel for those people who's ISPs don't allow p2p networking, if there are such, luckily you don't have to use the service.
For others, you have your answer.
Drivel, absolute drivel. You've obviously missed the entire point of the thread.
Quite apart from the privacy issue is the fact that CCP wants to use OUR bandwidth to help distributing THEIR product. Seeing as you obviously have no objections to this process, allow me to commandeer your car to make leafleting runs for the pizza company you order from.
No, I didn't think so.
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Einhasad
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Posted - 2009.05.08 19:17:00 -
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Originally by: Marcus Mannimarco
Originally by: Kale Kold
Originally by: Something Random Why do you want to make people do this ? whats the plan ?
Probably trying to save a buck by using our bandwidth instead of theirs!
I'm going to put this very bluntly, so that there is no room for misunderstanding.
Don't like the product? **** off and stop buying. It's not like anyone's forcing you to buy anything. You're just one customer in a goddamn sea of customers. I doubt no one will miss a couple conspiracy theorists.
I for one, am all in for p2p networking. More bandwidth, faster speeds, easier access, better time. Good developement 10/10.
I do feel for those people who's ISPs don't allow p2p networking, if there are such, luckily you don't have to use the service.
For others, you have your answer.
I'm going to assume you are not from a country/area where there are unofficial "official government sanctioned" monopolies in the Telco sector in certain regions. For instance in my town - if you don't want to use comcast, you don't get internet.
Want to use <insert cable company name>? "Sorry, we do not service your area. To get internet service in your area you will need to use Comcast. Have a nice day!"
I'll leave you to come to the proper conclusion where this leaves users like myself.
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nails
Caldari Ota Corps
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Posted - 2009.05.08 19:19:00 -
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Originally by: Kale Kold omg omg omg...*slam a redbull* omg omg omg...*slam a redbull* omg omg omg...*slam a redbull* The end is near! CCP will find my **** collection! The embarassment of such would be more than I could bare!
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Sythyss
Paradigm Council
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Posted - 2009.05.08 19:21:00 -
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wtf is wrong with all of you.
paranoid freaks...
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Pharago
Gallente Piratas Leprosos Guineanos Black Core Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.08 19:30:00 -
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Of course removing/unistalling that service would be easy, and so it might be reversing it to really see what its all about inside it. But that does not ****es me off, what ****es me off is CCP choosing such a silly way to handle updates. Why a service/daemon whatever? There are tons of crap already in a normal system as to have to bother with another one. Another thing, i don't like another software vendor accesing my computer just because you seem too lazy to build your own solution. Do you want to use a p2p system to help with updates? Give us a torrent. Simple. Let us choose our client, or use our already working one. It's true you own the game, you set the rules. I dosn't mean you have to **** us. Just saying.
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Sky Marshal
IMpAct Corp Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2009.05.08 19:34:00 -
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Edited by: Sky Marshal on 08/05/2009 19:34:38
Seriously CCP, stop taking us players like morons.
With time, you just make the game more and more for morons.
I already reject BITS system and download only by the fail-safe links because of some security risks (service disabled on my computer).
You always force people to accept some of your discutable choice, while there is some simple ways to purpose new methods of download.
Like... A TORRENT file.
Why don't you just give us a TORRENT file ? Just that ? No, not your small bittorrent client, a REAL TORRENT FILE.
But no, you want simplify it to the extreme, and make it morons-compatable...
Now I expect that you force us to use the Pando system with time, like you do for Classic to Premium.
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Anubis Xian
Reavers
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Posted - 2009.05.08 19:36:00 -
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Edited by: Anubis Xian on 08/05/2009 19:36:46
The issue I see here is that CCP is implying they reserve the right to force the issue later. Which of course is their right, just as it is mine to use my EvE Box...TO P00P ON!
Ahem...Another thing to consider is even though you might be able to disable this Windows Disservice, there is no guarantee that EvE will even run without it running.
Seems like a great way to reduce bandwidth and server load honestly, you foist the burden on the willing and give the unwilling reason to leave entirely.
I have to wonder though, what CCP's ultimate decision about this will be.
EDIT: What kind of idiot filter rules filter ****?
Originally by: CCP Oveur The client handles no logic, it is simply a dumb terminal.
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Intense Thinker
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.05.08 19:45:00 -
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To all you whiners I say meh!
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Ehronn
Caldari Nutz N Boltz Skunk-Works
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Posted - 2009.05.08 19:49:00 -
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you must not have a problem with ccp using your bandwidth 24/7 even when not playing eve.
great for you, others may not. -----------------------
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Pharago
Gallente Piratas Leprosos Guineanos Black Core Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.08 19:51:00 -
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Originally by: Intense Thinker To all you whiners I say meh!
I see you don't quite honour your name, i guess its all on your tank.
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Threv Echandari
Caldari K Directorate
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Posted - 2009.05.08 19:59:00 -
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Edited by: Threv Echandari on 08/05/2009 20:00:53 I am not a paranoid freak. I followed the announment on the Game Dev Forum and when I saw Kaldo's "passionate" response I though "Silly Rabbit don't you know what OPTIONAL Means? " Reading Comprehension FTL.
Then I read some more comments and re-read CCP Hypno's response. Particularly: "At this Time" Which generally Translates to "Yeah, We will do this later if nobody notices or makes too much of a stink especially since Pando is paying us."
Why else would you pick a steaming pile of crap like Pando when free torrent options are avaialable?
So now I am in the "Paranoid camp". Yes I can Turn off services and can take care of my system but I shouldn't have to. (Thats not the point) I already have to deal with Steam, and EA's crap if I want to play games I like. Quit adding more **** to my PC, I just want to play EVE. As has been stated before, Why can't you use a regular Bitt Torrent Client? (that Doesn't install as a Service) daemon-Feh!
Don't sacrifice your customers goodwill for a Buck/Euro by dealing with disreputable Spam artists like Pando, next thing you know, you'll be working a deal with Gator (GAIN) or MYWEBSEARCH to redo the ingame browser with "New" ad supported browser! We know there are bandwidth problems in getting the client down but there has to be a better way than dealing with the Devil.
Don't be surprised if this comes up as a CSM issue. -NO- Services or messing about with our machines or dealing with Scum-of-the-Internet, boiler-room operations like Pando, please.
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Decimus Sellic
Amarr Sinergy Way Aegis Militia
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Posted - 2009.05.08 20:03:00 -
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Edited by: Decimus Sellic on 08/05/2009 20:04:32 I'm going to go out on a limb here and say the reason that CCP is opting to use the pando software instead of a .torrent file is because they are being paid by the company that created the pando software...
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Shy1
Caldari Sugar And Spice
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Posted - 2009.05.08 20:04:00 -
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Originally by: Threv Echandari next thing you know, you'll be working a deal with Gator (GAIN) or MYWEBSEARCH to redo the ingame browser with "New" ad supported browser!
The funny thing is that the free version of Pando IS add supported and people have had problems with the ads showing fake malware scans and 'advice' so people have installed the fake scanners which are themselves actually malware!!!
http://www.pando.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=11205
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Ak'athra J'ador
Amarr Can't Decide Balance of Judgment
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Posted - 2009.05.08 20:10:00 -
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wow
what if CCP would actually create some software which would detect bots. i guess most would want this? well its spyware, it looks around your ram for stuff which shouldn't be there (bots).
i don't see what the big deal is about, most MMOs do worse things (boting detection).
thing is, its all in the eula, and you accept the eula, if you don't like it, then don't accept it, and don't play.
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Devan Reale
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Posted - 2009.05.08 20:19:00 -
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Edited by: Devan Reale on 08/05/2009 20:23:07
Originally by: Weight What
Originally by: Marchocias
2) EVEN IF YOU INSTALL IT, YOU CAN JUST GO INTO THE SERVICES MANAGER IN WINDOWS AND DISABLE IT AFTERWARDS.
What about Starforce or the rootkits installed by Sony you ****ing moron.
First, perhaps I missed the exact language, but I didn't see where there's an option not to install it, but rather an option to use it. Huge difference. HUGE. If I misread the exact text, please correct me and post the exact text. Thanks.
Second, just shutting off a piece of crapware like Pando does NOT mean it's off for good. CCP can easily drop code in EVE to check to see if it's running at launch time, and if not, fire it up.
Simply shutting off a service doesn't mean crap.
Third: if CCP does choose to go the "screw you, you have to use Pando to use EVE", I won't say at this point that I'll quit, but I'll definately install something like Sandboxy and run EVE inside that, since it obviously WILL NOT be safe software any longer.
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Gut Punch
Shade. Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2009.05.08 20:21:00 -
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Edited by: Gut Punch on 08/05/2009 20:23:49
Originally by: Ak'athra J'ador wow
what if CCP would actually create some software which would detect bots. i guess most would want this? well its spyware, it looks around your ram for stuff which shouldn't be there (bots).
i don't see what the big deal is about, most MMOs do worse things (boting detection).
thing is, its all in the eula, and you accept the eula, if you don't like it, then don't accept it, and don't play.
Perhaps you haven't seen that in the US Telecom companies are starting to add caps to your internet service policies which will have serious fees attached to exceeding your cap. I don't need something running in the background which will do NOTHING for ME. Do you understand that? I'm paying the ISP - not CCP. So I don't feel like wasting my bandwidth to help them out.
Additionally, this Pando client doesn't appear to have the same controls available as your standard uTorrent/BitTorrent client. Thus the computer owner doesn't get to setup the service. Please note this isn't an accident because nobody in their right mind would want to expose their computers to another form of popup advertising and potential malware.
Please note CCP isn't in control of the content that is brought to your computer beyond the EVE Setup file. Pando provides the adverting to you. So are you going to compain to Pando when something happens?
And seeing as I've invested quite of bit of time and lots of $ into the game for well over 4 years now I'd be quite ****ed off to lose access to the game because I WILL NOT install this on my machine.
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Kale Kold
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.05.08 20:24:00 -
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Originally by: Ak'athra J'ador thing is, its all in the eula, and you accept the eula, if you don't like it, then don't accept it, and don't play.
Where does it say that CCP can install a P2P Service without my permission?
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CCP Explorer
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Posted - 2009.05.08 20:25:00 -
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Originally by: Kale Kold In the next patch CCP are planning to install a daemon (service) program on YOUR computer to download patches via a P2P network. They are going to make this mandatory and without your permission!!!
Kale Kold, the claims you make in your post are incorrect.
In fact what we intend to do is the exact opposite. We are not making any changes to how we deliver patches. We are only offering another, optional, method of downloading a full install. This full install option will be offered along with / in place of the optional BitTorrent download option.
Normal HTTP downloads (using the BITS service in Windows) will be the primary method to download installs and patches.
Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games |
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Decimus Sellic
Amarr Sinergy Way Aegis Militia
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Posted - 2009.05.08 20:28:00 -
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Edited by: Decimus Sellic on 08/05/2009 20:30:06
Originally by: CCP Explorer
Originally by: Kale Kold In the next patch CCP are planning to install a daemon (service) program on YOUR computer to download patches via a P2P network. They are going to make this mandatory and without your permission!!!
Kale Kold, the claims you make in your post are incorrect.
In fact what we intend to do is the exact opposite. We are not making any changes to how we deliver patches. We are only offering another, optional, method of downloading a full install. This full install option will be offered along with / in place of the optional BitTorrent download option.
Normal HTTP downloads (using the BITS service in Windows) will be the primary method to download installs and patches.
Feel free to answer whether or not the pando software will be installed regardless of how you decide to download the patch....
Edit: spelling
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Carnelian X
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Posted - 2009.05.08 20:30:00 -
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This just in ... CCP moneygrabbers shoot themselves in the foot..... AGAIN
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Brujo Loco
Amarr Brujeria Teologica
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Posted - 2009.05.08 20:36:00 -
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Bah so much for listening to the voices of reason. No matter what, the "OPTION" will be available, CCP gets the money from PANDO crap , the unwashed masses accept the marvelous "tool" and in the end it will be bussiness as usual.
No matter how optional this "amzing" tool (amazing for CCP getting paid by Pando to use the crap) it's still within the game, makes us associate with it and in the far future will be the norm cuz that's the way bussiness deals within companies go.
Honestly, if CCP needed more money I would gladly take an extra 1$ a month for paying my sub.
You can get 1$ a month by doing or stop doing one simple thing.
I know it's a bussiness, but for the love of Satan, DONT!
WHAT THE HELL CCP?
Do you even realize how much spyware crap can be aquired "legally" thru Pando?
I mean, what are you guys? the NEXT SOE/EA?
Meh ... Pando
WHAT THE HELL CCP?
Viva VENEZUELA!!! Archipelago Theory
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CCP Explorer
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Posted - 2009.05.08 20:36:00 -
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Originally by: Decimus Sellic
Originally by: CCP Explorer Kale Kold, the claims you make in your post are incorrect.
In fact what we intend to do is the exact opposite. We are not making any changes to how we deliver patches. We are only offering another, optional, method of downloading a full install. This full install option will be offered along with / in place of the optional BitTorrent download option.
Normal HTTP downloads (using the BITS service in Windows) will be the primary method to download installs and patches.
Feel free to answer whether or not the pando software will be installed regardless of how you decide to download the patch....
I just did, you need to read my reply: "We are not making any changes to how we deliver patches. We are only offering another, optional, method of downloading a full install."
Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games |
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