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CCP Fallout
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Posted - 2009.05.08 18:01:00 -
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Wonderful changes are afoot for our Storyline Team! From extensive additions to EVElopedia to brand new CORPS bi-monthly reports, New Eden will become more of a fascinating, ever-evolving place for every capsuleer. You can learn more about our Storyline Team and what changes and additions are being made by reading CCP t0nyG's newest blog.
Fallout
Associate Community Manager
CCP Hf, EVE Online
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2009.05.08 18:13:00 -
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woo influence map linkage!
and nice read.
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ArmyOfMe
The Athiest Syndicate
Advocated Destruction
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Posted - 2009.05.08 18:14:00 -
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Edited by: ArmyOfMe on 08/05/2009 18:13:54
omg, first.
damnit chribba
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Moon Kitten
GoonFleet
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Posted - 2009.05.08 18:17:00 -
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Hopefully it won't be as biased as the volunteer news. |
Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2009.05.08 18:42:00 -
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It's about time Eve caught up and integrated the story into the game better. Eve has been extremely poor at this and way behind the times. The only thing I miss from the other Space MMO's is how good the story was integrated into the game. If Eve at long last gets that right, it's time to celebrate.
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Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
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Posted - 2009.05.08 19:03:00 -
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Sounds all great and promising, especially the incorporation from storyline news into missions!
Also the update on Evelopedia sounds great, do we have a link available for the Evelopedia section?
Cleaning up old canon stories is always a pain and not easy at all, it is quite difficult. Good luck there!
I just hope that it will work out well in the end - having seen many great ideas from CCP for Eve by now which were started with great enthusiasm and implemented as "first steps" but then a second step never followed so that we have now all sort of unfinished stuff there (alliance management, sov management, moon mining/alchemy, factional warfare etc.). I hope these new ideas won't go the same way.
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Ix Forres
Caldari
Vanguard Frontiers
Sc0rched Earth
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Posted - 2009.05.08 19:11:00 -
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Edited by: Ix Forres on 08/05/2009 19:12:33
 Originally by: Gnulpie
Sounds all great and promising, especially the incorporation from storyline news into missions!
Also the update on Evelopedia sounds great, do we have a link available for the Evelopedia section?
Cleaning up old canon stories is always a pain and not easy at all, it is quite difficult. Good luck there!
I just hope that it will work out well in the end - having seen many great ideas from CCP for Eve by now which were started with great enthusiasm and implemented as "first steps" but then a second step never followed so that we have now all sort of unfinished stuff there (alliance management, sov management, moon mining/alchemy, factional warfare etc.). I hope these new ideas won't go the same way.
The Evelopedia section is linked on the homepage, but it's also over here.
It'll be great to see ingame events documented better and hopefully to see more players stepping up to help write the account of life in EVE. Good to see that more attention is being paid to the inconsistencies in the backstories!
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DaDutchDude
Minmatar
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2009.05.08 19:12:00 -
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Edited by: DaDutchDude on 08/05/2009 19:12:08
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Speaking of alliance happenings, beginning in June we're going to start publishing a briefing every two weeks that we call CORPS: CONCORD Outer Region Political Summary.
I hope this two-weekly will be more two-weekly then our quarterly economic newsletter has been quarterly, because then we might only get updates every 4 months if we're lucky. Sorry for being very skeptical, but there is every reason to be.
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Armoured C
Gallente
Federation of Freedom Fighters
Aggression.
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Posted - 2009.05.08 19:17:00 -
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girst page
and want wait for the bi alliance thing ... it might push moer people to the 0.0
if you buy eve in a box from my game store i will give you isk (GAME , parkgate rotherham)
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Clone 1
Laughing Leprechauns Corporation
Pioneer Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.08 19:21:00 -
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Originally by: DaDutchDude
Edited by: DaDutchDude on 08/05/2009 19:12:08
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Speaking of alliance happenings, beginning in June we're going to start publishing a briefing every two weeks that we call CORPS: CONCORD Outer Region Political Summary.
I hope this two-weekly will be more two-weekly then our quarterly economic newsletter has been quarterly, because then we might only get updates every 4 months if we're lucky. Sorry for being very skeptical, but there is every reason to be.
I was just thinking the same thing.
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Haradgrim
Tyrell Corp
LAST JUDGEMENT
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Posted - 2009.05.08 19:24:00 -
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Awesome, I'm really glad to hear about the whole effort, more content to pass the time at work!!! 
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Kyra Felann
Gallente
Noctis Fleet Technologies
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Posted - 2009.05.08 19:35:00 -
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Sounds awesome!
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TimGascoigne
The Graduates
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.05.08 20:07:00 -
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Is this CORPS feature designed as an eventual replacement to ISD correspondence?
I do hope that the answer is yes because ISD correspondence is nothing but trouble. It is simply a tool for metagamers to fight their wars of words and spread their lies. And when you do eventually remove this cancerous section of the ISD don't bother replacing it. Instead invest the money in something more useful... anything.
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Gut Punch
Shade.
Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2009.05.08 20:33:00 -
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Do you think you could create the global EVE Killboard as a part of the EVElopedia/CORPS thing? It be a great reason to visit the website.
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Silver Night
Caldari
Naqam
Exalted.
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Posted - 2009.05.08 20:44:00 -
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Edited by: Silver Night on 08/05/2009 20:44:20
Being honest, I haven't been a fan of a lot of what Tony G has done. I feel he sacrifices a lot of the feel of Eve in his work and resorts to silly, space-opera-esque plot devices. Some of his other work shows a disturbing lack of familiarity with the background material, and in fact a number of the major inconsistencies that now need fixing were actually introduced by him. (As an example, the Scorpion has, since the beginning of the game, been the newest Caldari battleship, unless you read Ruthless  .) I could - and have in other venues - go on a long rant about all of this.
That being said though, I'm glad someone in finally making the effort to clean up the inconsistencies. I realize backstory is often not the highest on the list, seeing as the people it affects the most are RPers, and we are a vanishingly small minority. I'm grateful that CCP and indeed, even Tony (and those who know my feelings about the backstory and EA in particular, will know how unlikely me thanking Mr Gonzalez is) are taking the time to work on this. However much I disagree with the way you have handled things - and by 'things' I mean plots, characters, and the story line of Eve  - at least you are finally doing something.
I'm interested, however, in how they are going to make choices in terms of which side of a given conflict will be the 'correct' side? In the Scorpion/Raven example, the canon about the Scorpion came first, and makes more sense. However the Raven part was actually written by Tony G. So which would be enthroned and which changed?
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GLS Mr. State
Caldari Patriot.
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Mors Magne
M. Corp
Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2009.05.08 21:21:00 -
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This is an excellent idea because I enjoy reading science fiction - I get through a novel a week.
I like the idea of reading 'intelligence reports'! It will give me a much better idea of what's going on out there in other parts of deep space - 0.0
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Solo Player
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Posted - 2009.05.08 22:48:00 -
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Yay - finally some NPC and background love for this game.
Hope your changes will soon have tangible consequences for my EVE in-game experience.
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Kyoko Sakoda
Caldari
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2009.05.08 23:21:00 -
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Glad to hear these mistakes are starting to be cleared up.
Too bad about the whining about IC in this thread, though. It's an impossible task to create a fully impartial news service of any kind; in the real world or in a game world. Your personal perception of a situation can deny a lot of facts. Give the people behind it some slack, or start your own player-run news service.
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Tressin Khiyne
Minmatar
The Tal'Shiar
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Posted - 2009.05.08 23:45:00 -
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CORPS sounds really interesting. Smaller merc corps and alliances could use it to more effectively offer their services. Corps could use it to pick what side they want to join.
I have always wanted to see more player-driven content, especially in politics.
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Blazde
4S Corporation
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.05.09 02:58:00 -
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beginning in June we're going to start publishing a briefing every two weeks that we call CORPS: CONCORD Outer Region Political Summary
This will be an amazing thing if you can get it right, and I wish you a lot of luck because I suspect you'll need it. Please, please make sure you get absolutely the right people doing it, don't cut corners or underestimate the difficulty of doing it well. Be prepared to accept a lot of criticism from the playerbase and treat it constructively (even from the *******s) without getting defensive and demoralised. It'll really lift the profile of the 0.0 game, and EVE itself, if you can make it succeed long term and become a truly established part of EVE, so keep that goal in mind.
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Shoukei
Caldari
Boobs Ahoy
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Posted - 2009.05.09 05:04:00 -
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I still have no idea what were you guys thinking when you shut down eve tv. It was far better advertisement than all the millions you spent on ad's.
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Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
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Posted - 2009.05.09 05:42:00 -
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beginning in June we're going to start publishing a briefing every two weeks that we call CORPS: CONCORD Outer Region Political Summary
My advice: make these reports as automated as possible. Thus neutrality will be guaranteed.
Look at the influence map. Before the automated influece map was available we had several 'political maps' around and each were discussed with heat and everyone picked just the map which supported their point of view and yelled at the others. Gladly the automated map solved that. Same thing (the yelling) happens with battle reports at the moment. And same thing will happen with these CORPS reports also if they arent generated automatically - you do not need to be an geniious to predict that.
If necessary, delay the CORPS until you have such an mechanism. Especially good would be to have not just a list translated into some words but also some clever algorithms which detects hot spots and war fronts, ideal would be also references to past events (like recapturing an earlier lost system/constellation).
Please think about such an automated report system instead of manual reports.
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Verite Rendition
Caldari
F.R.E.E. Explorer
Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.05.09 06:16:00 -
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Originally by: Chribba
woo influence map linkage!
and nice read.
No kidding, that made my day right there.
CCP, if you need anything special for CORPS, let me know. Whatever it is, it can probably easily be done.
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EVE Null-Sec Player Influence Map
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Blazde
4S Corporation
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.05.09 08:55:00 -
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Originally by: Gnulpie
My advice: make these reports as automated as possible. Thus neutrality will be guaranteed.
Look at the influence map. Before the automated influece map was available we had several 'political maps' around and each were discussed with heat and everyone picked just the map which supported their point of view and yelled at the others. Gladly the automated map solved that. Same thing (the yelling) happens with battle reports at the moment. And same thing will happen with these CORPS reports also if they arent generated automatically - you do not need to be an geniious to predict that.
If necessary, delay the CORPS until you have such an mechanism. Especially good would be to have not just a list translated into some words but also some clever algorithms which detects hot spots and war fronts, ideal would be also references to past events (like recapturing an earlier lost system/constellation).
Please think about such an automated report system instead of manual reports.
This, so much. The manual RP fluff on top will be really nice but if you can abuse the EVE API or whatever to ensure as much as possible of the facts are automated then it'll be a true winner.
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Hamish Grayson
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2009.05.09 08:56:00 -
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Edited by: Hamish Grayson on 09/05/2009 09:01:55
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Beginning on Monday, May 11th, we're going to be implementing a series of changes to the published canon that will, in its first iteration, eliminate or reconcile a huge portion of the more blatant inconsistencies we're aware of
If T0nyG changes anything from before 2006 to match what he's done since then I'll run for CSM on the platform of getting him fired.
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Arkady Sadik
Minmatar
Gradient
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2009.05.09 09:47:00 -
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At the top of the list of stuff that needs retconning out are the Endehuanni and Dark Jovians. EVE has a much more mature story than the "big conspiracy that controls it all". Darkness in the world comes from normal people doing their normal things with their understandable desires that interacts in unexpected ways with each other and creates a world where there is no "good" and "evil", but only shades of (dark) grey.
Likewise, please do not give too many "facts" about the history of EVE. A universe feels much more "alive" if the various factions have slightly different views of what actually happened before, and there is no "true" and "right" view of the world. Obviously, that does not apply to current every-day things.
Otherwise, I'm looking forward to the streamlining of the backstory - there have been a few things that are just inconsistent. Also, some of the technobabble to explain game mechanics are rather weird (camera drones, say) and could reworking a bit, too.
As a suggestion, I think it would be a good idea to have a regular (monthly? quarterly?) "question session" where some backstory guy answers a number of questions about "common sense" things - like, "how long does it take to visit a planet if you are on a station", "how much crew do I have on my ship at least to make it useful", and such. Everyday knowledge that just isn't detailed anywhere.
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Baudolino
Gallente
Royal Crimson Lancers
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Posted - 2009.05.09 10:00:00 -
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It annoys my that CCPs focus yet again is solely on 0.0 alliance gameplay.
That both internally and in the media CCP pushes large gang/fleet warfare and alliance mechanics.
A large portion of the populace are involved in alliance warfare, but a large portion of the populace is also NOT involved in 0.0 politics.
I`d like to be here the day CCP gives attention to low-sec small-gang/small corp dwellers. Some improvements were made to low-sec in the last patch, but the overall policy of CCP is still to obstruct solo and small gang mechanics.
I`ve been here since 2003- doing solo and small gang warfare. While some might disagree with me, there are few players who can match the history bhind my perspective.
I do realize it`s a difficult balance. Make small and solo play more viable and you risk overpowering larger gangs- like with nanos. But still, i do hope CCP have a couple of monkeys in the basement cooking up something interesting. It`s getting increasingly annoying that small/solo gameplay gets ever tougher, while big corps and especially 0.0 alliances get all the benefits of CCPs marketing needs.
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RedClaws
Amarr
Dragon's Rage
Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2009.05.09 10:12:00 -
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Will I get to know what happened to the event I was in back in 2006?
I did exactly what the RP guy told me (put stuff on contract to him) but he said "I don't see it" and logged off... 
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Derboff
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Posted - 2009.05.09 10:26:00 -
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I am glad and annoyed at the same time by this news.
I am glad as it will hopefully stop the pointing out of single lines in long dead stories being used to define the universe
I am annoyed cos it makes my task of writting harder as I will have to learn the modifed histories.
I am happy that there will be "patch notes" of the changes. I do have one suggestion. Rather then dumping completely the non cannon stuff, how about turning them in to myth stories. So they are still within the universe and the history but modified to be like the Greek myth. Myths tell us as much about our world as real stories. So long as they are clearly marked, I don't see that as a problem
DerBoff
Prelude to Dark was just the start
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Daraasi
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.05.09 10:42:00 -
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Originally by: Hamish Grayson
Edited by: Hamish Grayson on 09/05/2009 09:01:55
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Beginning on Monday, May 11th, we're going to be implementing a series of changes to the published canon that will, in its first iteration, eliminate or reconcile a huge portion of the more blatant inconsistencies we're aware of
If T0nyG changes anything from before 2006 to match what he's done since then I'll run for CSM on the platform of getting him fired.
If we get more like the Broker you've got my vote, if we get more like the Empress i'll be running right alongside you.
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Ceterum Censeo Jovenem Esse Delendam |
Typhado3
Minmatar
Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium
Aeternus.
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Posted - 2009.05.09 11:25:00 -
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wow, sounds pretty nice.
Are you going to update or add to add to the scientific articles while your doing this?
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Alexeph Stoekai
Stoekai Corp
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Posted - 2009.05.09 12:20:00 -
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Originally by: Typhado3
wow, sounds pretty nice.
Are you going to update or add to add to the scientific articles while your doing this?
Judging from how TonyG has treated the fluff from the scientific articles, I have a feeling we will see them in a big book-pyre.
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Milo Caman
Gallente
Ghost Festival
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Posted - 2009.05.09 12:35:00 -
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Quote:
Beginning on Monday, May 11th, we're going to be implementing a series of changes to the published canon that will, in its first iteration, eliminate or reconcile a huge portion of the more blatant inconsistencies we're aware of. This will be an ongoing effort, as there will no doubt be future errors given the expanding scope of storytelling avenues that we serve. This first "big purge" will mostly consist of direct changes to published chronicles and its mirror on EVElopedia. But fear not: these dreaded "retcons" will be accompanied with a detailed changelist on the EVE Fiction channel of the forums, just like a game patch, which outlines what we're changing, where we're changing it, and why.
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Horatius Caul
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.05.09 12:53:00 -
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Originally by: Milo Caman
Quote:
Beginning on Monday, May 11th, we're going to be implementing a series of changes to the published canon that will, in its first iteration, eliminate or reconcile a huge portion of the more blatant inconsistencies we're aware of. This will be an ongoing effort, as there will no doubt be future errors given the expanding scope of storytelling avenues that we serve. This first "big purge" will mostly consist of direct changes to published chronicles and its mirror on EVElopedia. But fear not: these dreaded "retcons" will be accompanied with a detailed changelist on the EVE Fiction channel of the forums, just like a game patch, which outlines what we're changing, where we're changing it, and why.
I- I Think I just died a little inside...
Same here. Tony is the one responsible for most of the inconsistencies in the background, so I'd prefer it if his short stories and his book were the first to go on the editing table.
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Dex Nederland
Caldari
Lai Dai Infinity Systems
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Posted - 2009.05.09 15:40:00 -
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Won't matter how much chronicle/short story/other oog material retconning is done if in game descriptions are opposed to it (take a look at NPC CEOs in game) or if the retcon is not the generally accepted state of affairs in game.
As an example, even if the Scorpion is 'retconed' as being older than the Raven (see Ruthless), but the description in game isn't changed and the community that cares about it continues to recognize the in-game description then the retcon fails.
In other words - TonyG correct the stuff you wrote that departed from the background established when you wrote it; do not change the background that existed before you started writing to fit what you wrote.
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Hamish Grayson
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2009.05.09 19:38:00 -
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Edited by: Hamish Grayson on 09/05/2009 19:44:36
It's amusing that their Marketing guy is the most hated Dev.
Also I've brought this Issue up in the Assembly Hall Linkage
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Posted - 2009.05.09 22:53:00 -
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Nice one ccp, think that this is a really good idea can't wait to see the end result.
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CCP Dropbear
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Posted - 2009.05.09 23:07:00 -
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Originally by: Dex Nederland
Won't matter how much chronicle/short story/other oog material retconning is done if in game descriptions are opposed to it (take a look at NPC CEOs in game) or if the retcon is not the generally accepted state of affairs in game.
As an example, even if the Scorpion is 'retconed' as being older than the Raven (see Ruthless), but the description in game isn't changed and the community that cares about it continues to recognize the in-game description then the retcon fails.
If it was necessary, we would update the description in-game. The same applies for replacing CEOs and other in-game representations of storyline content. 
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Kenpachi Viktor
Gradient
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2009.05.10 10:41:00 -
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This is a really good idea.
So.. Why do I have such a bad feeling about this?
One word: t0nyG 
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Yazus Kor
Preta Light Industries
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Posted - 2009.05.10 11:04:00 -
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Hopefully, He'll use this as his chance to redeem himself as opposed to battering the Backstory with a blunt object until it fits his vision of EVE. Right? Guys?
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Posted - 2009.05.10 12:21:00 -
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Edited by: Sade Onyx on 10/05/2009 12:20:47
whats "the canon" ?
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2009.05.10 12:30:00 -
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Edited by: Pottsey on 10/05/2009 12:30:11
Can we please be told if the stuff in Eon is canon or not.
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Shidhe
Minmatar
The Babylon5 Consortuim
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Posted - 2009.05.10 13:45:00 -
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Sounds good! I am looking forward to more influence on the story line on gameplay. It will give people more reason to become more immersed in the game, and boost role playing.
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Giddoni
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Posted - 2009.05.10 15:08:00 -
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Quote:
Clues about the history and technology of Sleepers might be unveiled in an epic arc.
WANT! I'd love to play that epic arc.
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Esna Pitoojee
Amarr
TalCorp Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.05.10 17:51:00 -
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I came fairly late to EVE - after all the AURORA and MERCURY events were done - so I cannot comment on the older stuff, except to say I'd still love AURORA to come back, but realise why that is unlikely.
On the newer stuff, however...
*sigh*
I honestly wasn't expecting much when I got the Empyrean Age novel. What surprised me, however, was how generally good ideas, some of which were already in EVE lore (such as the recovered Terran tech) was taken and twisted very poorly to fit into the plot, then smashed in with some plain-out horrors to finish the story.
Suffice to say, when someone directed me to 'Theodicy,' I wasn't expecting much.
What I found, however, was a writer operating with apparently no or very little oversight, still pushing his own storyline with little respect for everything written previously.
I'm sorry, TonyG, but between Theodicy and the EA novel, I completely lost trust in you.
I'm also a great believer in second chances, however, and as has been said, Retcons can be one of those 'great-or-terrible' things.
Do this, right, and gain back my and (I think it's safe to say) a significant portion of the RPer population's trust. Do it wrong...
PS: I am VERY happy that the edits will be listed. Transperency is a good thing.
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Alexander Siege
Minmatar
Empyreum
Lux Caelestia
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Posted - 2009.05.10 21:48:00 -
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Intresting to see some of hate towards Tony, personally I like his work. Maybe because I started playing 2006, and therefore biased? Probably but either way there are other inconsistancies such as EVE its self.
Is it just a wormhole that closed or is it a supersized stargate built to keep the connection between EVE and the milky way but went mental after a few decades of use? I like to think the latter but the site always states the wormhole closing not the gate.
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Kyra Felann
Gallente
Noctis Fleet Technologies
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Posted - 2009.05.11 01:11:00 -
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Originally by: Arkady Sadik
As a suggestion, I think it would be a good idea to have a regular (monthly? quarterly?) "question session" where some backstory guy answers a number of questions about "common sense" things - like, "how long does it take to visit a planet if you are on a station", "how much crew do I have on my ship at least to make it useful", and such. Everyday knowledge that just isn't detailed anywhere.
I completely agree with this. There is too much that would be common knowledge in the Eve universe that is unknown to its players.
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Kyoko Sakoda
Caldari
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2009.05.11 01:15:00 -
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Originally by: Pottsey
Can we please be told if the stuff in Eon is canon or not.
I can't find you the quote but I'm pretty sure it was said early on in EON's production that it is.
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2009.05.11 06:08:00 -
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Alexander Siege said "Is it just a wormhole that closed or is it a supersized stargate built to keep the connection between EVE and the milky way but went mental after a few decades of use? I like to think the latter but the site always states the wormhole closing not the gate."
It's a super sized star gate built around a wormhole, it's the largest known human building and took 100's of years to build. Humans new the wormhole would close but it closed early. CCP in there wise wisdom decided to remove just about all reference to the Gate in the new introduction. I believe most new players don't even know there is a gate or wormhole.
That is CCP problem they talk about all this great stuff in blogs but when it comes to the game they are taken steps back.
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2009.05.11 07:49:00 -
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Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda
Originally by: Pottsey
Can we please be told if the stuff in Eon is canon or not.
I can't find you the quote but I'm pretty sure it was said early on in EON's production that it is.
I seem to be recall being told that what's in EON isn't gospel truth.
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Deviana Sevidon
Gallente
Panta-Rhei
Guardian Federation
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Posted - 2009.05.11 13:21:00 -
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Well a few Articles are in desperate need of being retconned, even the old stuff. EVE-Stargates Article, I am looking at you.
Other then that I am quite positive about the changes and to have the Backstory Info from the Book and the Chronicles is better connected to the happenings ingame.
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Azia Burgi
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.05.11 15:18:00 -
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Has this started yet? I have a list of canon inconsistencies the length of my raven. Should I submit them as Bug Report for consideration?
Azia Burgi
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Posted - 2009.05.11 17:00:00 -
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Originally by: Azia Burgi
Has this started yet? I have a list of canon inconsistencies the length of my raven. Should I submit them as Bug Report for consideration?
If you do have such a list please file a BR. Add a "for LEMUR" to it's heading so I can easily grab it form the list and pass it on.
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Posted - 2009.05.11 19:52:00 -
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Fiction changes have been posted here.
Please keep it constructive!
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Svetlana Scarlet
Caldari
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2009.05.11 22:55:00 -
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As someone who has criticized the inconsistencies in the Eve canon previously, I'm very glad to see that an effort is being taken to correct those problems and make the Eve canon internally consistent. However, in order to maintain that consistency going forward, it is important that there be some sort of continuity and content editing in place going forward, otherwise the same problems are likely to crop up again. Is CCP planning to put a higher priority on such a task than has been there previously? At the storyline board talk at FanFest last year, one of the things that was stressed is that all the storyline board members had some other job in the company, and this was sort of a sideline -- are there plans for that to change?
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Azia Burgi
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.05.12 01:26:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Lemur
If you do have such a list please file a BR. Add a "for LEMUR" to it's heading so I can easily grab it form the list and pass it on.
Will do. I'll have to do it after my exams on Wednesday. I really should be revising not playing internet spaceships...
Azia Burgi
http://azia.geekandproud.co.uk
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Deviana Sevidon
Gallente
Panta-Rhei
Guardian Federation
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Posted - 2009.05.12 13:29:00 -
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Originally by: CCP t0nyG
Fiction changes have been posted here.
Please keep it constructive!
I never really understood why people are flaming you. I found Ruthless, Theodicy and Empyrean Age an enjoyable read.
Is there a new Book or Short Story being written?
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Posted - 2009.05.12 21:31:00 -
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CORPS looks awesome, can't wait.
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Jowen Datloran
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.05.13 09:05:00 -
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Originally by: Deviana Sevidon
Originally by: CCP t0nyG
Fiction changes have been posted here.
Please keep it constructive!
I never really understood why people are flaming you. I found Ruthless, Theodicy and Empyrean Age an enjoyable read.
Is there a new Book or Short Story being written?
Maybe because he made it possible to explain any and all happenings and events in EVE with reference to the Enheduanni or The Broker.
BoB disbanding? The Enheduanni was behind it.
Lag causing you trouble? The Enheduanni was behind it
Feeling sleepy? The Enheduanni was behind it.
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Deviana Sevidon
Gallente
Panta-Rhei
Guardian Federation
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Posted - 2009.05.13 09:59:00 -
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Edited by: Deviana Sevidon on 13/05/2009 09:59:35
Originally by: Jowen Datloran
Maybe because he made it possible to explain any and all happenings and events in EVE with reference to the Enheduanni or The Broker.
BoB disbanding? The Enheduanni was behind it.
Lag causing you trouble? The Enheduanni was behind it
Feeling sleepy? The Enheduanni was behind it.
That is not correct. It was never said that Enheduanni are behind all happenings in the universe. That thing was blown a bit out proportion by player assumptions. Also at the end of Empyrean Age, the Broker is nearly dead as well, with all of his Clones detoriating extremely fast.
The Broker is also no Invention of TonyG but is part of the Backstory ever since the Chronicle "Myth of a Salesman".
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Astria Tiphareth
Caldari
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2009.05.13 12:27:00 -
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Edited by: Astria Tiphareth on 13/05/2009 12:44:18
Excellent to hear that inconsistencies will be put to rest. Nothing quite like a backstory that makes no sense to put people off discovering more about it.
Be gentle on the old histories - try and find common ground where you can - and indeed if old historical documents (I can't say that now without laughing at GalaxyQuest) are now out of date, but can be construed to be accurate for the time, just mark them with a date and write a new one to cover updated information.
I'd prefer to see a consistent timeline than have information changed simply to fit later canon changes in terms of introduced technology etc.
Originally by: Jowen Datloran
Maybe because he made it possible to explain any and all happenings and events in EVE with reference to the Enheduanni or The Broker.
BoB disbanding? The Enheduanni was behind it.
Lag causing you trouble? The Enheduanni was behind it
Feeling sleepy? The Enheduanni was behind it.
Jowen Datloran whining again about the Enheduanni? The Enheduanni were behind it.
Please give it a rest. A writer introduces one semi-omnipotent (I'm sure there's a latin word for that somewhere) entity in one story and this apparently makes the rest of his (in my opinion excellent) work invalid?
Besides, the Broker was explained in the novel, and suitably dealt with too. That just leaves the mysterious Enheduanni whom we can safely assume are being negated at all turns by the Jovians.
Edit: Besides, the vast majority of EVE's canon won't be impacted by the presence or lack of the Enheduanni at all.... or will it?
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Svetlana Scarlet
Caldari
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2009.05.13 14:49:00 -
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Originally by: Deviana Sevidon
That is not correct. It was never said that Enheduanni are behind all happenings in the universe. That thing was blown a bit out proportion by player assumptions. Also at the end of Empyrean Age, the Broker is nearly dead as well, with all of his Clones detoriating extremely fast.
The Broker is also no Invention of TonyG but is part of the Backstory ever since the Chronicle "Myth of a Salesman".
The problem is that the existence of all-powerful secret conspiracies is generally a fundamentally uninteresting story concept, because it diminishes the player's sense of agency; this goes for the Enheduanni as well as the Broker. In his first appearance, where he was simply a extremely good manipulator and canny businessman, there was little to pick apart about him. The book's elevation of the Broker to a nigh-unstoppable demigod with the resources of entire nations is the problem. It essentially makes the actions of players and the other NPCs generally irrelevant, which is not a good thing for a metaplot.
Regardless, this sort of thing is not what this is supposed to be about; the events of the novel are the events of the novel, and they have "already happened," so arguing whether they were good or not is essentially mental ************. This current initiative, to codify and establish the Eve canon, is a move in the right direction. How things are changed, and what is changed, are the things that need to be discussed; I for one hope the storyline team keeps any modifications to the absolutely minimum necessary to maintain the consistency of the storyline.
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Ecid Q'Wulf
Blue Labs
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Posted - 2009.05.14 00:34:00 -
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Question on CORP:
Are you basing these reports on Server-Logs, or on Player generated content similar to ISD?
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Jowen Datloran
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.05.14 13:54:00 -
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Edited by: Jowen Datloran on 14/05/2009 13:56:17
Originally by: Astria Tiphareth
Jowen Datloran whining again about the Enheduanni? The Enheduanni were behind it.
Yep that the Enheduanni is the reason for my annoyance is no secret at all. Though, actually I was trying to answer Deviana Sevidon now she so kindly asked why people could have anything against Tony and his story writing.
I enjoyed reading the EA novel and other parts of Tony's work, but the day I accidental read Theodicy it felt like a smack with a shovel to the face, and I lost all interest I had in ever participating in the RP scene of EVE again as it simply felt pointless.
I have come to accept, that we are no longer are participating in a story (though that is normally the key concept of a RPG) but instead is being told a story (like a fairytale of some kind). And if CCP is fine with it, I am fine with it.
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Magellan Exploration and Survey
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Posted - 2009.05.20 01:26:00 -
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A couple of things on this topic (I know, I'm coming in late - I've been away):
- Well done to CCP for taking this on - resolving some of the problems with the back story is laudable, and over due
- About resolution: Not all problems need to be resolved. Look at RL history itself, there is a certain amount of historical baggage that accompanies the historical record. If the inconsistencies in the back story can be portrayed (altered) such that they are part of EVE's historical record, there can be some room for so-called contradictory facts. A Caldari recorded 'fact' will differ from a Gallente 'fact'.
- The fact that CCP is documentating what is changing and why, means that TonyG (who, it should be pointed out, has faithfully concerned himself with EVE lore with enthusiasm - agree with his perspective or not) will not soley control the process. It is reasonable that CCP recognizes the need for player input to make this process comprehensive.
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Muestereate
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.05.24 01:13:00 -
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May we call the writers of errant history Heretics and instead of eliminating it, set it aside as apocrypha?
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Galladan Krim
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Posted - 2009.05.27 17:53:00 -
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I am new to the EVE universe, but wanted to send a shout out to CCP T0nyG regarding some of his writing. Just finished reading "Ruthless" and I am really impressed with his style and quality of writing. Looking forward to reading his other novella (believe it is titled Threnity) and, of course, Empyrean Age. Outstanding work and a great read. Look forward to more. Also, are there any plans of combining the chronicles into a paperbound anthology or novel?
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Posted - 2009.06.26 19:12:00 -
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UPDATE: The first CORPS report has gone live. After some internal deliberation, we decided that Intergalactic Summit was the best place to post them, as they are presented entirely in-context and thus have more of a rolepayer's ambience than something which belongs in EVE Fiction. Again, we maintain that these are intended to be completely non-biased, with reports covering what CONCORD *thinks* is happening out there. The intended audience is anyone who wants a high-level summary-or approximation-of nullsec player activity. We'll be delivering these every two weeks...enjoy!
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