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Crawler Gallente Northern Star Brigade	Posted - 2009.05.15 06:16:00 - [31] Your a pirate by the sounds of it and you should really think about going into a different line of work since you cant deal with a carebear deathstar give carebears more pos options like the pirate popper. blows up any ship with a pirate icon in one shoot _____________________________________________ yawnnnnn
IsoMetricanTaliac 2 Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2009.05.15 06:35:00 - [32] Sounds a lot to me like the OP has Dec'ed someone because he thought they would be an easy work over & some how they have ended up face to face with a large POS that was probably a faction tower & it beat the living hell out of them with it's faction guns, while that was happening they must have also suffered from one or more of them forms of EW towers can have & that probably stopped them from being able to flee & they there for lost their BS's.. POS's of any size + type can be taken down with BS's it just takes more than 1 corp is usually able to field when it comes to highsec war dec'ing corps... You also need to remember that highsec POS's are very limited as to what they can & can not do already (in fact if you are into wars etc a highsec POS is probably the worst thing you could have) Nerf'ing POS's is probably not a great idea in general as they are easy enough now to take down for any half reasonable alliance/corp that has the ability to get the numbers together. You also need to remember a large tower doesn't come cheap & the modules are the same so making them even easier to kill would probably see the end of their use & the flow on effects of that would be increased prices of everything T2 to say the very least. Anyway my suggestion to the OP would be to better know your game mechanics & your abilities before you go bitting off more than you can chew (which is how your post sounds/looks) next time, or learn how to use the POS's inabilities to your advantage. Don't however go making suggestions to nerf things as it might not end up turning out how you thought it would. (We all know they nearly always go too far with the nerf'ing) In a Time When Many Will Seek Death, There Will Always Be Those Like Me Who Won't Mind Helping Them Along Their Way!?!
Tai Paktu The Scope	Posted - 2009.05.15 07:23:00 - [33] Originally by: Commodore Bill Simple fixes to POS problem: No large towers in hisec. No faction towers in hisec. No faction anything on pos in hisec. No ewar on POS in hisec. Only small guns on POS in hisec. No POS gunners in hisec. No onlining/offlining/anchoring/unanchoring during a wardec or 24 hour before wardec is active. Carebears should get hurt. The richer they are the more they should hurt. You dec them and if they don't fight you in ships they should lose their POS, labs, all the BPOs. It's stupid that a bunch of industrial carebears can just spend a ****ton of isk and build themselves a death star in hisec, and have gunners just sit inside the shield and blow up everything that comes near. They don't even have to dock to log off, they can just stay at the damned POS, even use cloaked ships to refuel. You never know where those bastards are if they're not inside theyre POS and you can't force them to fight. That's just wrong. It's you. You're losing your own war. That's just emberassing.
Cassidy Usaro	Posted - 2009.05.15 08:07:00 - [34] @OP larger fleets kill deathstars with BS-fleets every day, so get some pilots and skills and just do it, but stop whining !
Berta Fokker	Posted - 2009.05.15 08:49:00 - [35] Originally by: Commodore Bill
Shaina Marru Gallente	Posted - 2009.05.18 21:58:00 - [36] Highsec POS = 50+% of your module market, so if you take out all those pos's, BPO's t2 BPO's, you remove ships, modules, ammo, etc that are created purely by industrialists and miners. You weaken the market no only for yourself but everyone else. Honestly ccp should fund and compensate high security pos owners and reduce fuel costs since these players run eve essentially. You need to understand running a POS in high security provies safe, month long research that can fuel wallets and the market, and production facilities when regions are full up. They provide convenience above and beyond of just being a carebear bubble. Where as low sec pos's can provide mothership sized vessels instead of research and construction out in the middle of no where when you can't use them in highsec. You sir are *****ing about something that should be even harder to interfere with then it currently is.
Covert Oops	Posted - 2009.05.18 23:07:00 - [37] May I present, the very first high sec POS takedown in EVE, taken down with just battleships. http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=540256 Taking out high sec pos's is easy. You just need numbers, which you obviously don't have. Ever thought that you might need a few billion ISK to take out a few billion ISK of POS stuff? You can't take down a seveal billion ISK POS for cheap. If you want to cause someone a hardache, you're gonna actually have to pony up the cash. How horrible! I think its perfectly balanced.
Veliria	Posted - 2009.05.18 23:10:00 - [38] Right, so between my trips to low-sec in my shiny PvP ship, having a True Sansha Medium Tower for some limited research and fun in high-sec is suddenly a no-go? 600+ mil I put it into doesn't count? If you hate high-sec POSes so much, war-dec every one of them. If they have gunners (I do) they aren't much carebears are they, or if they are, they came prepared and should be able to defend their 600mil+ assets. Quote: No onlining/offlining/anchoring/unanchoring during a wardec or 24 hour before wardec is active. Get real, you just want a free ticket to raiding POSses and getting free POS modules with no real effort. No faction, no large towers, all you want is easy-to-shoot-and-get-free-labs POSses for the picking. Interesting fact is that those carebears are putting more effort into the POSses than you want to put in to destroy them. Yet I don't see them whining about it. Also, not all the high-sec towers are for/from carebears, and even if they are, it's their ISK. Why should you have to face little to no risk to go shoot POSses? Also, not forcing to fight? You're keeping them stuck in station or that POS, seems like a major downside to me already. You say not being able to force them to fight is wrong, yet you seem to be unwilling to put up a fight yourself by gimping high-sec POSses to near uselessness, you could just snipe with Tachs where Small Guns can't hit you. Without e-war and pos gunners, you could just spider tank everything. Seriously...bad troll...baaaaaad...grabs stick
Commodore Bill	Posted - 2009.05.19 21:30:00 - [39] That's exactly my point!!!!!! You people say carebears are spending billions in isk to set up POS in hisec. Because they can spend that much money justifys them having a huge ass deathstar that'll kill anything comes near? You say that the hisec POS are used to make **loads isk and ships and stuff. And that's not a PROBLEM???? It is a problem if no one without a huge ass fleet at their command can't do about it. They're making tons of isk and making it so loot from ganking and empire wars is worthless. And yes, I have a beef with a particular carebear corp that has a hisec death star that they use to make all kinds of crap. I tryed to get them to join me so they would make stuff for me, they have all sorts of blueprints and make pvp stuff, Ive even scanned them carrying parts for capital ships. When they told me no, I told them it wasn't an offer they could refuse. Then they told me to go ** myself. So I dec them and try to get them to fight. But they won't fight. They won't respond to demands to 1v1 and just ignore us. We attack their POS with BS and logistics and they got gunners which can shoot much further then we, even the logistics couldn't be out of range. WTF is the point of a large Domination Tower with 20 artillery and ewar out the ass in hisec? why are half dozen carebears allowed to destroy a BS every 30 seconds without even fighting? Only sitting there and manning guns. They have all kinds of cloaked ships and somehow get past all the stationcamps with instas and then just vanish. Only once we got to chase a guy... all the way into Syndicate only to have a huge blob drop on us. Turns out they hired the blob. With theur goddamn carebear isk!! They didn't earn that isk, they got it from carebearing and now they use it to buy total safety.
Demjon	Posted - 2009.05.19 21:40:00 - [40] Don't poke the Bears!

Parmala Udoni	Posted - 2009.05.19 21:44:00 - [41] Originally by: Commodore Bill They didn't earn that isk, they got it from carebearing and now they use it to buy total safety. Correction: we don't earn it the same way you presumably earn yours, but we most certainly do earn it. The part of this that you keep ignoring is that, without carebear industrialists flooding the market with ships and modules built in hisec pos's, you'd never be able to afford to outfit even your presumably puny fleet.
Nooma K'Larr Minmatar	Posted - 2009.05.19 22:29:00 - [42] Originally by: Commodore Bill Simple fixes to POS problem: No large towers in hisec. No faction towers in hisec. No faction anything on pos in hisec. No ewar on POS in hisec. Only small guns on POS in hisec. No POS gunners in hisec. No onlining/offlining/anchoring/unanchoring during a wardec or 24 hour before wardec is active. Carebears should get hurt. The richer they are the more they should hurt. You dec them and if they don't fight you in ships they should lose their POS, labs, all the BPOs. It's stupid that a bunch of industrial carebears can just spend a ****ton of isk and build themselves a death star in hisec, and have gunners just sit inside the shield and blow up everything that comes near. They don't even have to dock to log off, they can just stay at the damned POS, even use cloaked ships to refuel. You never know where those bastards are if they're not inside theyre POS and you can't force them to fight. That's just wrong. The only thing here that is wrong is your attitude. Sometimes the ISK is mightier than the sword. That is the care bears weapon of choice.
Reba McEntire	Posted - 2009.05.19 22:38:00 - [43] Originally by: Whitehound Thanks for the thread. I like the OP's suffering and bitterness, and how it escalates into his mental breakdown. An exemplary job by the carebears and good work by CCP. Congratulations everyone! awesome. *Reba McEntire extends Whitehound 'the rock'
Nooma K'Larr Minmatar	Posted - 2009.05.19 22:42:00 - [44] Edited by: Nooma K''Larr on 19/05/2009 22:47:26 My Carebear Death Star will destroy you!!!!! [pink][b]I will then feats on your piwate tears as Mrs. Vader kicks your arse. MUAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!![pink][b]
Wannabehero Absolutely No Retreat	Posted - 2009.05.19 23:51:00 - [45] Yeah! No more large towers in High-sec! To balance this, of course, firing on any small or medium POS in high-sec, even one owned by a war-decced enemy, should be a concordokkenable offense. -- Don't harsh my mellow
Ratchman	Posted - 2009.05.20 09:48:00 - [46] Edited by: Ratchman on 20/05/2009 09:51:30 Edited by: Ratchman on 20/05/2009 09:51:13 Originally by: Commodore Bill That's exactly my point!!!!!! You people say carebears are spending billions in isk to set up POS in hisec. Because they can spend that much money justifys them having a huge ass deathstar that'll kill anything comes near? ...and lots more general whining... You sound really bitter. Perhaps you shouldn't have wardecced them, then? There's nothing in the game that says people are forced to PvP, and it galls you that they can avoid you and not give you the easy kills you thought you'd get from a carebear corp. In fact, I find it deeply funny that they can so easily avoid you or smack you down when you attack their 'deathstar'. You bought into the idea that everybody who stuck to highsec was easy prey, and now you're finding out otherwise. No, I'm not a carebear myself, but I appreciate what they do, for I could not buy ships and ammo if it wasn't for their efforts. They appear to be a well-organised corp to me. They have their agenda, and they are sticking to it and refusing to be diverted from whatever their core task is. You say they have too much ISK? Perhaps they are just better at making it. If they don't participate in PvP and work hard, then they are highly likely to have a lot of money. Get over it. They paid for mercenaries? Well, the perfectly at liberty to do so. They earned that ISK, and can spend it whichever way they want. You've lost to a carebear corp and are too embarrassed to face it. Unfortunately, we all lose at times, and we have to learn to move on.
Liijan Manaan	Posted - 2009.05.20 12:13:00 - [47] HAHA!! carebears outsmarted you and you cried :) highsec pirate tears are so tastey :) nom, nom, nom.
Vincent Pryce Gallente Ghost Festival	Posted - 2009.05.20 12:58:00 - [48] Originally by: Crawler Your a pirate by the sounds of it and you should really think about going into a different line of work since you cant deal with a carebear deathstar give carebears more pos options like the pirate popper. blows up any ship with a pirate icon in one shoot Hey hey hey, I take offence in that I'm a pirate and I don't want to be in anyway associated with the OP who I think is more of a highsec greiefer. To be a pirate is to live n low or nul sec, not much piraty in sitting at trade hub can baiting some new guy tbh It's just sad. When the security status on your system drops 0.4 or below then everyone knows the risk of being such systems and everyone is fair game pretty much. Here you live by the blinky red and you die by the blinky red The highsec posses work just fine. Fleet up a nice circle jerk and you can eventually take one out. And if you don't have the firepower? Quit btichin' and move on
Thenoran Caldari Tranquility Industries	Posted - 2009.05.20 16:41:00 - [49] Try putting effort into destroying multi-billion assets instead of whining on the forums demanding CCP to do it for you. ------------------------ Low-sec is like sailing along the coast of Somalia...
Qoi New Eden Warriors	Posted - 2009.05.20 17:06:00 - [50] haha this Post is great, i should train Starbase Defense Management to IV on all my Chars now

Teras Menac Gallente Action Inc.	Posted - 2009.05.20 18:16:00 - [51] Edited by: Teras Menac on 20/05/2009 18:19:28 Originally by: Liijan Manaan HAHA!! carebears outsmarted you and you cried :) highsec pirate tears are so tastey :) nom, nom, nom. My favorite part is where they were happily pursuing the guy to Syndicate and flew right into a trap. They probably were all on Vent/TSpx talking about how awesome it was that they had this guy in their sights. CCP please fix the game so that I can stop sucking at Eve! Homeboy is a pro-nub, been in Imperial Academy for two years!
Teras Menac Gallente Action Inc.	Posted - 2009.05.20 18:57:00 - [52]
Ancharra Jaram	Posted - 2009.05.20 20:33:00 - [53] Originally by: Commodore Bill I tryed to get them to join me so they would make stuff for me So you want their stuff... Originally by: Commodore Bill But they won't fight. Ok... Originally by: Commodore Bill They won't respond to demands to 1v1 and just ignore us. Perfectly legal strategy...especially since it's rare a highsec grief corp honors 1v1s. Originally by: Commodore Bill WTF is the point of a large Domination Tower with 20 artillery and ewar out the ass in hisec? I thought you said they wouldn't fight? Sounds like they're doing a good job of it.
Cade Morrigan Caldari	Posted - 2009.05.20 21:06:00 - [54] troll thread! how could you all fall for it?
Rotting corpse	Posted - 2009.05.20 21:07:00 - [55] Originally by: Commodore Bill That's exactly my point!!!!!! You people say carebears are spending billions in isk to set up POS in hisec. Because they can spend that much money justifys them having a huge ass deathstar that'll kill anything comes near? You say that the hisec POS are used to make **loads isk and ships and stuff. And that's not a PROBLEM???? It is a problem if no one without a huge ass fleet at their command can't do about it. They're making tons of isk and making it so loot from ganking and empire wars is worthless. And yes, I have a beef with a particular carebear corp that has a hisec death star that they use to make all kinds of crap. I tryed to get them to join me so they would make stuff for me, they have all sorts of blueprints and make pvp stuff, Ive even scanned them carrying parts for capital ships. When they told me no, I told them it wasn't an offer they could refuse. Then they told me to go ** myself. So I dec them and try to get them to fight. But they won't fight. They won't respond to demands to 1v1 and just ignore us. We attack their POS with BS and logistics and they got gunners which can shoot much further then we, even the logistics couldn't be out of range. WTF is the point of a large Domination Tower with 20 artillery and ewar out the ass in hisec? why are half dozen carebears allowed to destroy a BS every 30 seconds without even fighting? Only sitting there and manning guns. They have all kinds of cloaked ships and somehow get past all the stationcamps with instas and then just vanish. Only once we got to chase a guy... all the way into Syndicate only to have a huge blob drop on us. Turns out they hired the blob. With theur goddamn carebear isk!! They didn't earn that isk, they got it from carebearing and now they use it to buy total safety. The bolded parts are the places where you failed most. Oh, also thanks for the lulz, good troll 10/10 Running MEHLottery, contact me by mail for tickets!
Fille Balle Dissolution Of Eternity Ethikos Trade Alliance	Posted - 2009.05.20 21:32:00 - [56] Originally by: Ratchman You sound really bitter. Perhaps you shouldn't have wardecced them, then? There's nothing in the game that says people are forced to PvP, and it galls you that they can avoid you and not give you the easy kills you thought you'd get from a carebear corp. In fact, I find it deeply funny that they can so easily avoid you or smack you down when you attack their 'deathstar'. You bought into the idea that everybody who stuck to highsec was easy prey, and now you're finding out otherwise. No, I'm not a carebear myself, but I appreciate what they do, for I could not buy ships and ammo if it wasn't for their efforts. They appear to be a well-organised corp to me. They have their agenda, and they are sticking to it and refusing to be diverted from whatever their core task is. You say they have too much ISK? Perhaps they are just better at making it. If they don't participate in PvP and work hard, then they are highly likely to have a lot of money. Get over it. They paid for mercenaries? Well, the perfectly at liberty to do so. They earned that ISK, and can spend it whichever way they want. You've lost to a carebear corp and are too embarrassed to face it. Unfortunately, we all lose at times, and we have to learn to move on. One little thing if you don't mind. He did force pvp on them. But as they are industrialists, they choose the form of pvp that they are better at: financial pvp. pvp does not equal pewpew. If you could force people to pewpew, a lot of pvper's would loose by default in eve. To OP: Sucks to be you man. If you can't back it up, don't declare war! If you don't like it, I hear hello kitty online is a really great game, and the only weapon is sharp claws L2P
Manfred Sideous H A V O C	Posted - 2009.05.20 22:14:00 - [57] 1 RF tower 2 Come back Incap All Mods 3 Camp tower so they cant rep mods 4 Kill Tower 5 Profit Please send all donations to me for my epic problem solving skillz ______________________________
Parmala Udoni	Posted - 2009.05.27 11:49:00 - [58] I found the source of Bill's angry face: Originally by: Commodore Bill An attack with 14 sniping BS and 2 logistics went horribly wrong. Lasted less then 10 minutes. We lost 11 of the BS and both logistics. The logistics popped first, both at the same time 320 km from the POS. Before the grid even loaded. Then a BS got smoked every 15 seconds, going from full shields to not there any more. I am not sure we even got a shot off. Epic failure. Read it in the original thread: pwnt
Vlandarr thx for all the fish	Posted - 2009.05.27 13:45:00 - [59] Edited by: Vlandarr on 27/05/2009 13:54:54 Originally by: Cade Morrigan troll thread! how could you all fall for it? But the responses are priceless. Originally by: Commodore Bill An attack with 14 sniping BS and 2 logistics went horribly wrong. Lasted less then 10 minutes. We lost 11 of the BS and both logistics. The logistics popped first, both at the same time 320 km from the POS. Before the grid even loaded. Then a BS got smoked every 15 seconds, going from full shields to not there any more. I am not sure we even got a shot off. Epic failure. Oh wow. A massive 14 sniper BS and 2 Logi against a large faction POS with faction weapons. Epic failture alright. You should take more sniper BS and logi than that just to take down a few modules, much less the entire tower. I feel dumber now than when i started reading. P.S. If they were using all large artys, did the thought ever cross your mind to warp in closer than 320 and use some transversal? I bet you didn't even have T2 guns, did you? P.P.S. if you lost 1 BS every 15 seconds, and you lost 11, that's.... almost 3 minutes. if you didn't get a shot off in that time, and didn't organize a retreat... Epic Failture x4
Cal Anoth	Posted - 2009.05.27 14:20:00 - [60] yeah, after all, no-one ever war decs empire industry corps... they certainly could never need to defend themselves. Nice one OP! Very well thought through.



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