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Chris Fierce
Caldari NoD Imperium
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Posted - 2009.05.22 22:05:00 -
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Ridiculous and unacceptable.
If you know the problem, fix it now. ---------------------------
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123GuessWho
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Posted - 2009.05.22 22:06:00 -
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Edited by: 123GuessWho on 22/05/2009 22:06:15
Originally by: CCP Explorer
Originally by: Lupra Nermona There are player which are not blocked by the Gate-Jump-Crashes? For me the games is unplayable since the last patch: 3..5 jumps until stuck. Most of the time both clients are stuck in the same system.
The issue is a timing-related race condition that is very difficult to reproduce. In our testing, when we knew what was causing the issue, the reproduction had a low probability of occurring.
Try taking space, you'll see more than half the fleet relog. solo flying it tended not to occur.
And please pritty please HOTFIX the gate bug pvp in 0.0 is near impossible now, defenders are always on the good side since half the attackers wont load
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Reptzo
Channel 4 News Team
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Posted - 2009.05.22 22:09:00 -
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while i can understand it takes time to program the fix, if you have a release date, why cant you hotfix this issue? why are there like 6 other things in there? its not like its a minor deal, just hotfix the jumping problem, as soon as you can, and run the rest in the patch on tuesday.
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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2009.05.22 22:09:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Explorer The issue is a timing-related race condition that is very difficult to reproduce.
Bigoted gate controllers .. wonder what the universe has in store for us next
But you are seriously going to leave this in over a weekend where all the gates will be jam packed as per usual? Going to get ugly.
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Kelidd
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Posted - 2009.05.22 22:11:00 -
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Patching after a holiday weekend for a bug that stops pvp runs the risk of breaking the business model why would you play eve for pvp when any expansion can stop you playing something you pay for for over 7 days (refunds?).
I am not sure anybody who is responsible for their financial performance of ccp is currently involved in this decision, if they are then they really don't care for paying customers and that is a dangerous place to be for a business.
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Jenna Galt
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Posted - 2009.05.22 22:14:00 -
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my client locks at least one time each hour.. impossible to play the game except sitting in jita and m*sturbate with all the scammers. would like to see this patch applied yesterday!
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Dongo Lars
Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2009.05.22 22:14:00 -
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I really don't want to sound as a whiner but I'd like to use this this space to stress out to CCP to wake the hell up. Everyone responsible for running this game (that I really DO like) should understand that the number of subscribers in EVE could very well start to decrease due to this. In past these issues could be tolerated but after the years the development team should learn from these mistakes and start improving.
Let's bear in mind that there isn't and wasn't any right alternative for sci-fi fans in MMOs, this is gonna change real fast real soon with number of space simulation MMOs in development (quite damn a lot of them, don't you think?!) and however the opinions on their quaity may vary, they will indeed find their fan base, it's just up to CCP to show who can offer the best services.
Just some constructive criticism to think about. Some of those great future plans may not be actually possible at all because of this bull**** ...
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PeHD0M
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Posted - 2009.05.22 22:18:00 -
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1. Effects (warp, cynojump, shield boosting, sensor booster etc) 2. Probing system (probes animation, filters, arrows moving) 3. Sound 4. Hyperion texture quality!
When?
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Brokers Clone
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Posted - 2009.05.22 22:19:00 -
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Edited by: Brokers Clone on 22/05/2009 22:22:11 Oh PLEASE... Have a heart... it's a 3 day weekend, I am going to a LANWAR... I planned 3 days of EVE, not 3 days of.....
WOW [cry]
PLEASE, recatagorize the gate bug from critical to showstopper, and patch it tonight!!!
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Treelox
Amarr Seppuku Warriors
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Posted - 2009.05.22 22:33:00 -
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hehe, silly whiners. I understand exactly where you are coming from, but realize what time it is in Iceland. Your already too late, I bet there was a reason they waited till COB on a Friday to even make mention of this patch/fix. --
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Ghost Prophet
Age of Honour Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2009.05.22 22:52:00 -
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Where is my cash refund being sent and when shall I receive it?? - Ghost
"Do not excessively covet swords and daggers made by famous masters. Even if you own a sword or dagger worth 10,000 pieces, it can be overcome by 100 spears each worth 100 pieces. Th |
Ban Doga
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Posted - 2009.05.22 23:49:00 -
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Edited by: Ban Doga on 22/05/2009 23:50:08
Originally by: CCP Explorer
Originally by: Lupra Nermona There are player which are not blocked by the Gate-Jump-Crashes? For me the games is unplayable since the last patch: 3..5 jumps until stuck. Most of the time both clients are stuck in the same system.
The issue is a timing-related race condition that is very difficult to reproduce. In our testing, when we knew what was causing the issue, the reproduction had a low probability of occurring.
I don't understand why "a low probability of occurring" is revelant information at all. People know how often they need to restart their clients and they know how often someone else is doing it in a fleet or talks about it in the chat.
But there's another thing I don't really understand.
The fix is already announced for Tuesday and this either means: a) the fix is ready, tested, and believed to be working - so why wait until Tuesday? b) the fix is not ready or not tested or not believed to be working - so why announce it already?
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slayersalt
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Posted - 2009.05.23 00:00:00 -
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i seem to have a prob with the new patch. i cant download it with out getting errors. i tried downloading it mann way that just said files were corrupt when i went to use it. plus im getting checksum errors and the help links dont help. I NEED HELP SO I CAN PLAY EVE!!!!!
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hired goon
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Posted - 2009.05.23 00:15:00 -
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Put a fix for the sound bugs too! thx :3 -omg-
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De'Veldrin
Minmatar Special Projects Executive
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Posted - 2009.05.23 00:18:00 -
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Originally by: Ban Doga
The fix is already announced for Tuesday and this either means: a) the fix is ready, tested, and believed to be working - so why wait until Tuesday? b) the fix is not ready or not tested or not believed to be working - so why announce it already?
If they didn't annonce it, you lot would all be in here ****ing and moaning about the lack of dev communication. Now that they have announced it, you're ****ing and moaning because they did.
FFS, if you think you can do a better job, hop on the next plane to Iceland, and give it a shot. Otherwise, STFU and wait like the rest of us. --Vel
Experience is what you get right after you need it.
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Grez
Minmatar Core Contingency Laconian Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.05.23 00:30:00 -
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A) The bug didn't destroy PVP. B) It's a weekend, it won't be deployed on a weekend. C) Just because it happens for you 95% of the time, doesn't mean you can reproduce it 100% of the time, and know exactly what causes it. Reproduction is just that, reliably causing it every single time so you know what causes it. Until you can reproduce the issue 100% of the time, it's not "reproducible" in software terms, and so cannot be fixed. --- Grez: I shot the sheriff Kalazar: But I could not lock the Deputy BECAUSE OF FALCON |
John'eh
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2009.05.23 01:39:00 -
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Edited by: John''eh on 23/05/2009 01:39:50 Its nice to have this fix, but really why the heck did the bug - that seems to be a multi-threading issue based on the discussion so far - exist in the first place?
I understand that your developer talent pool is limited by the fact that you can only hire people so desperate and unable to get a programming job anywhere else in the world that no other competent gaming company would hire them long enough that that they have to move to Iceland to accept work at CCP in order to eat, but really, whatever happened to "adapt or die" in regards to training your people the basic fundamentals of testing, like, oh I don't know, actually attempting to do a basic functional test case before check in?
Your development process has shown that you lack testers of any sort who are technical like SDETs (people who write code that breaks code) and only test the "happy path", if that. As a PAYING CUSTOMER I want a QUALITY PRODUCT, and despite the fact that I'm personally willing to take a little abuse for internet spaceships, the fact is as a company you would be making much more money and have a lot more paying active accounts and monthly subscriptions if CCP did not have a solid, well maintained, well deserved reputation as a company without any quality control standards and devs with crappy programming abilities.
And this bug proves it!
Sooner or later your customer base is going to either rebel, or outright stop playing eve and check out the increasing competition. If you care about EVE at all not just as a company who gets profits from it, you will do your best to increase testing efforts and the technical knowledge of your developers and testers, as well as giving the test circle more power to tell the devs "no, we don't ship this crappy code because it sucks". It will only be then that the developers will stop checking in code that created problems like this!
I demand that the GSM bring this need for better quality in the code base up! - John'eh |
Evil Pookie
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2009.05.23 01:43:00 -
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ETA on the ghost objects on overview, the can still see objects 30au away on overview or the invisible ships bug?
seriously, ccp is utterly worthless these days..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVrN-Rv2VEs |
violator2k5
Black Nova Corp KenZoku
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Posted - 2009.05.23 01:58:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Explorer The issue is a timing-related race condition that is very difficult to reproduce. In our testing, when we knew what was causing the issue, the reproduction had a low probability of occurring.
in what way is it time related? as i see it this problem's timing is rather bad and at the moment im wondering if CCP are stalling to deploy an "fix". would it not be possible to deploy a quick hotfix and hope for the best while working on a fix that will surely work and deploy that on the 26th. Understandably i can see why you would want to make sure the fix works before you actually deploy but at the same time this issue is causing players through out the game their assets and im sure your'e being spamed with petitions since this problem has started.
Originally by: RetroVertigo I can understand that problems will happen and do happen, but own up to the fact you broke the game and ****ed off a lot of you player base, who I will remind you, pay your salary.
in my point of view not all of eves populace actually pay for their salaries as we have a lot of players who buy gtcs with ingame currency ---------------------------- BOB 4 LIFE NOT JUST 4 A DAY ----------------------------
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John'eh
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2009.05.23 02:24:00 -
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Originally by: violator2k5
in my point of view not all of eves populace actually pay for their salaries as we have a lot of players who buy gtcs with ingame currency
The wording you chose to use makes me think your a dev.
Fact is we do pay CCP; without customers playing it Eve would not exist. If they **** off enough customers with this stuff, Eve will not exist. Simple. - John'eh |
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Phantom Slave
JUDGE DREAD Inc.
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Posted - 2009.05.23 02:43:00 -
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To all those screaming for the fix "right now"...remember last hotfix? Remember how it introduced this bug? A hurried hotfix causes more problems than its worth. I say take your time CCP, do it right, and all the whining will go away within a few weeks. Do it poorly and well...you'll be locking forum threads non-stop for a while.
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Giddoni
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Posted - 2009.05.23 02:49:00 -
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Originally by: Chris Fierce Ridiculous and unacceptable.
If you know the problem, fix it now.
Race conditions are tough, dude. Seemingly perfectly valid code goes wonky for no apparent reason. It's hard to reproduce in a lab and near impossible to reproduce in a debugger. You can know the exact line of code that is failing, but finding the reasons why it fails can be excruciating. Give 'em some breathing room.
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John'eh
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2009.05.23 03:01:00 -
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Edited by: John''eh on 23/05/2009 03:04:44
Originally by: Giddoni
Originally by: Chris Fierce Ridiculous and unacceptable.
If you know the problem, fix it now.
Race conditions are tough, dude. Seemingly perfectly valid code goes wonky for no apparent reason. It's hard to reproduce in a lab and near impossible to reproduce in a debugger. You can know the exact line of code that is failing, but finding the reasons why it fails can be excruciating. Give 'em some breathing room.
Not true.
If thy did something as simple as a Coverity scan and worked to fix all the issues found as best could be done I'm sure it would dramatically improve the code base quality. Yes, they are a harder issue to trace and debug, but the fact is they are a lot easier to test for then they are to find and fix and they should have at least known about this and not shipped the code because of it, and if they really had a QA proccess then it - and the people in QA - failed by letting it through.
It is the QA guys job to say "no, its a ship stopping bug and we cant ship this". They simply either have nobody in the position of doing that job, or simply have nobody doing that job with the skills or balls to actually do their job correctly.
As it stands, I'm seeing a very big lack of technical expertise from CCP and the developers working on Eve, as well as a strong lack of competence running a software shop from the head guys in management that manage the Eve project.
Of course to be fair, I have worked with software that if it contained bugs, could kill people. So my perspective may be biased. - John'eh |
violator2k5
Black Nova Corp KenZoku
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Posted - 2009.05.23 03:50:00 -
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Originally by: John'eh
The wording you chose to use makes me think your a dev.
Fact is we do pay CCP; without customers playing it Eve would not exist. If they **** off enough customers with this stuff, Eve will not exist. Simple.
lol if only i was, then perhaps half of these so called changes that have come into play in eve's exsistance wouldnt of once i put my point of view accross to the others which by the way im hoping this so called council can do and improve eve for the better.
as for you trying to state that there are players who are paying for this game through continuously playing that is kind of funny. even if they did leave through discust, the use of advertising which i might add CCP + Eve have been granted a lot of free advertising due to the war that has raged on for the better part of 2 years so i am more then sure they could replace any lost customer who is playing through buying with ingame currency, gtcs with ones that are actually willing to pay with real cash. ---------------------------- BOB 4 LIFE NOT JUST 4 A DAY ----------------------------
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John'eh
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2009.05.23 05:05:00 -
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Originally by: violator2k5
as for you trying to state that there are players who are paying for this game through continuously playing that is kind of funny.
You are very funny. If you had a business or marketing background you would understand that every account ccp has for eve - paid for with isk or real money - is a number they can use to market to others to get more customers or venture capital. Its a way to artificially inflate their user count so they seem bigger and more popular than they really are, so in turn they can go and market themselves as that level of big and popular in a continue cycle of marketing, growth, and profit. Nothing more, because they need to seem big to be big enough to get more people.
Originally by: violator2k5
even if they did leave through discust, the use of advertising which i might add CCP + Eve have been granted a lot of free advertising due to the war that has raged on for the better part of 2 years so i am more then sure they could replace any lost customer who is playing through buying with ingame currency, gtcs with ones that are actually willing to pay with real cash.
Only because of the above; And only if the people think its worth it. A negative backlash would hinder this, per the above. - John'eh |
AS101101
Red's Swashbucklers Corp Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2009.05.23 05:12:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Explorer In our testing, when we knew what was causing the issue, the reproduction had a low probability of occurring.
lol, than 100 ppl in my fleet had a run of luck when trying to travel somewhere.
Tuesday is too far away, game is unplayable, give us a hotfix, seriously.
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GatoOFruits
Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2009.05.23 05:48:00 -
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Originally by: TigerWoman guys please patch asap, any change cannot make it worse - the current state of the game is gamebreaking for any pvp related gameplay. and pvp is what this game is about. and cant get worse then it is today
Please do not challenge the dev team. They can make any patch worse than previous release :)
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John'eh
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2009.05.23 05:55:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Explorer In our testing, when we knew what was causing the issue, the reproduction had a low probability of occurring.
I call shenanigans on this. That of course means I am publicly saying that somebody is not being as honest as they could be.
The fact is any decent development/qa team has the ability to put a single system (solar system or not, its still just one unit/module of the product) under load through industry standard test automation; This should have been found and reproduced a dozen times before the code shipped.
And verification of a fix would be as easy as re-running that same test with the same load... and even if ccp is so incompetent that they don't have the skill or the technical ability to do this I'm sure 100 people would be willing to log on to SiSi and help ccp validate the fix. - John'eh |
ISHKUR MASTER
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.05.23 06:24:00 -
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What jacks me off, is that when they realised 1.1 was fubar, instead of giving us days with a broken game then patching with 1.2 and still giving us a broken game, and then now waiting near a week for the third attempt, thus giving us near 3 WEEKS OF UNPLAYABLE SUB, They could have rolled back the version in the first 24hrs to it's first broken but still playable state when we received the apology for ignoring the multiple threads that Sisi was broken version a week before they launched it.
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Demetri Slavic
Caldari Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2009.05.23 06:27:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Explorer
Originally by: Lupra Nermona There are player which are not blocked by the Gate-Jump-Crashes? For me the games is unplayable since the last patch: 3..5 jumps until stuck. Most of the time both clients are stuck in the same system.
The issue is a timing-related race condition that is very difficult to reproduce. In our testing, when we knew what was causing the issue, the reproduction had a low probability of occurring.
Having taken a 10 man gang out for a roam tonight.
Its not a low occurance, and I wont be playing eve till the patch is in. Renders the game unplayable tbh.
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