Want to kill Burn Jita and Hulkageddon?

It's simple!! Fix the Orca so it cannot jettison ships in space for -10 status pirates to jump into from their pods..

This has got me thinking, you can easily fix this exploit BUT do you want to?

WHo said this is an exploit?

I did!

Orca is meant for mining not killing miners..

WHo said this is an exploit?

GǪin other words, it's not an exploit. Dumping ships into space for other pilots to enter is pretty much exactly what the Orca is for. Granted, being able to do so also makes roughly zero difference for -10s, but why on earth shouldn't they be able to us this core functionality of the ship?

The Orca is meant for supporting fleets in highsec, like all command ships,

Where in the ship description does it say ship can be used to dump ships in space for players to use..

The ships core functionality is to provide bonuses and store ore..

CCP was lazy on this one, create a new ship model and used an existing function in the code that are used for carriers cargo space. Is the Orca a miniature carrier? I think not!

Where in the ship description does it say ship can be used to dump ships in space for players to use..

The ships core functionality is to provide bonuses and store ore.

Is the Orca a miniature carrier?

CCP doesn't want to kill Burn Jita or Hulkageddon. Hulkageddon is an almost yearly promise of news coverage, without them needing to take any actions..

It does provide news, but it is also a vicious cycle for suscriptions.

Players will leave, players will join and then those players will leave.. They will never truly build a solid subscription base at this rate.

Ship Maintenance Bay Capacity
400000 m3

GǪnow, where does it say that it's not supposed to work for pirates?

GǪand ships, and to transport equipment for various uses and to support those ships with refitting facilities.

Pretty much, yes. Well, apart from providing command bonuses instead of logi support.

Anyway what do i care, i'm only active to train skills and post on these forums..

It does provide news, but it is also a vicious cycle for suscriptions.

Players will leave, players will join and then those players will leave.. They will never truly build a solid subscription base at this rate.

Anyway what do i care, i'm only active to train skills and post on these forums..

Anyway what do i care, i'm only active to train skills and post on these forums..

I did!
Orca is meant for mining not killing miners..

Anyway what do i care, i'm only active to train skills and post on these forums..

CCP was lazy on this one, create a new ship model and used an existing function in the code that are used for carriers cargo space. Is the Orca a miniature carrier? I think not!

Where in the ship description does it say ship can be used to dump ships in space for players to use..

The ships core functionality is to provide bonuses and store ore..

CCP was lazy on this one, create a new ship model and used an existing function in the code that are used for carriers cargo space. Is the Orca a miniature carrier? I think not!

Industrialism, after all, is not restricted to mining... Think of all the industrial effort which goes into filling an Orca's maint bay with Thrashers.

Want to kill Burn Jita and Hulkageddon?

I did!
Orca is meant for mining not killing miners..

I did!
Orca is meant for mining not killing miners..

Anyway what do i care, i'm only active to train skills and post on these forums..

Orca is meant for mining, not stealth hauling (which is what the majority of all Orca's are used for).

ITT someone who doesn't play the game complaining about how the game is played.

Orca is meant for mining, not stealth hauling (which is what the majority of all Orca's are used for).

I sure hope you're better at training skills than you are at posting

Even if that was the case i can wager that he always forget to press the apply button .

I did!
Orca is meant for mining not killing miners..

Where in the ship description does it say ship can be used to dump ships in space for players to use..

The ships core functionality is to provide bonuses and store ore..

CCP was lazy on this one, create a new ship model and used an existing function in the code that are used for carriers cargo space. Is the Orca a miniature carrier? I think not!

Want to kill Burn Jita and Hulkageddon?

It's simple!! Fix the Orca so it cannot jettison ships in space for -10 status pirates to jump into from their pods..

This has got me thinking, you can easily fix this exploit BUT do you want to?
Do you want these events to take place and why?

And it amazes me how delusional people are, thinking they are making a difference in eve.. and can ransom CCP etc..
Above line mainly aimed at the goons..


HmmhHHHMMMmmmm...

The real fix for the "problem" might be:

1) Boarding a ship in space should start you off with zero capacitor.

2) Or possibly a delay of 5-20 seconds before you can activate modules.

3) Can't do anything at all for 5-20 seconds after boarding.

4) There should be a 5-20 second delay before you can target anything (similar to the decloak delay).

Not being able to target anything for 20 seconds after boarding would some of the current grief play. Starting off with zero capacitor would require the use of cap boosters in order to warp out before the faction navy catches up with you.

Not sure which of those methods would be best.

Want to kill Burn Jita and Hulkageddon?

It's simple!! Fix the Orca so it cannot jettison ships in space for -10 status pirates to jump into from their pods..

This has got me thinking, you can easily fix this exploit BUT do you want to?
Do you want these events to take place and why?

And it amazes me how delusional people are, thinking they are making a difference in eve.. and can ransom CCP etc..
Above line mainly aimed at the goons..


HmmhHHHMMMmmmm...

Orca jetisons ship.
THat is all I had to read, that is not a exploit.

If you want to deal with -10 pilots find a mechanic that deals with them only.

Want to kill Burn Jita and Hulkageddon?

It's simple!! Fix the Orca so it cannot jettison ships in space for -10 status pirates to jump into from their pods..

This has got me thinking, you can easily fix this exploit BUT do you want to?
Do you want these events to take place and why?

And it amazes me how delusional people are, thinking they are making a difference in eve.. and can ransom CCP etc..
Above line mainly aimed at the goons..


HmmhHHHMMMmmmm...

-10s not allowed within Xkm of an Orca. Yes, now you can safeguard your hulks by bunching them near an Orca.

But wait, it's a trap !

Well mad bros,

CCP and a lot of players who are actually contradicting them selves by posting here have said that low sec and null needs more players, killing the carebears is solvIng that problem blah blah.

Well fixing the Orca also fixes that problem, see the irony?
So why you all mad?

Bottom line is this, greifers are like a women they are never happy..

No, for 2 reasons

• it isn't an exploit
• If CCP did nerf it, the only thing you'd be able to carry in an orca would be those little dolls from one of the early mission agents.

Before the Orca was released low sec pvp was much better than it is now, want to know why it isn't anymore? Because CCP gave greifers the ability to carebear pvp; Oh the irony again...

Dumping ships into space for people to board is not an exploit.

The real fix for the "problem" might be:

1) Boarding a ship in space should start you off with zero capacitor.

2) Or possibly a delay of 5-20 seconds before you can activate modules.

3) Can't do anything at all for 5-20 seconds after boarding.

4) There should be a 5-20 second delay before you can target anything (similar to the decloak delay).

Not being able to target anything for 20 seconds after boarding would some of the current grief play. Starting off with zero capacitor would require the use of cap boosters in order to warp out before the faction navy catches up with you.

Not sure which of those methods would be best.

Agreed

I dont like griefers, nor the bs ways of raping people, but orca isnt the problem.

Just make Concord pod kill any pirates(red sec stat) as if it was a ship. End of issue

Why isn't CCP taking consequences in hi-sec to a logical conclusion? I always hear that CONCORD gives consequences not protection. And yet criminals can waltz into hi-sec in a pod with no consequences.

I did!
Orca is meant for mining not killing miners..

Absolutely. Why isn't CCP taking consequences in hi-sec to a logical conclusion? I always hear that CONCORD gives consequences not protection. And yet criminals can waltz into hi-sec in a pod with no consequences.

If CONCORD starts podding criminals you will still have miners being ganked. But not from the same toon(s) indefinitely.

That's because the criminals have already suffered the consequences. That's how they became criminals. Now they're no longer CONCORD's problem. The logical conclusion was reached ages ago.

And if that was the case why does CCP restrict criminals from entering certain sections of hi-sec? If as you said the criminal has paid his price, why restrict him at all? They have done their time. Of course that is never the case with criminal acts in RL and shouldn't be here. You want to commit a crime. Fine. But don't tell me you paid the price so you can waltz right back in to do it again. You should be restricted to the jail (low-sec) with the other criminals and have CONCORD enforce the consequences of your actions.

I did!
Orca is meant for mining not killing miners

CCP Restricts nobody from going anywhere.

Faction Navies restrict SHIPS flown by Criminals from entering their space. As soon as you get illegally shot by a Pod, CONCORD and the Faction Navies will start shooting pods.

Anyway, anyone can shoot a criminal's pod. If you want to keep criminals pods out of your space, shoot them or hire someone to shoot them.

And if that was the case why does CCP restrict criminals from entering certain sections of hi-sec?

Want to kill Burn Jita and Hulkageddon?

It's simple!! Fix the Orca so it cannot jettison ships in space for -10 status pirates to jump into from their pods..

This has got me thinking, you can easily fix this exploit BUT do you want to?
Do you want these events to take place and why?

And it amazes me how delusional people are, thinking they are making a difference in eve.. and can ransom CCP etc..
Above line mainly aimed at the goons..


HmmhHHHMMMmmmm...

OP has a point. Capital ships aren't suppose to be in high sec for a reason. Fix this broken mechanic of allowing the orca in high security space. If you want to mine with bonuses from a cap ship it should be confined to low and null sec.

You all whine about my threads, yet you keep resurrecting them..
But with Goons new 24/7 infinite hulkageddon, expect this nerf to ganking to come very, very soon!

CCP Restricts nobody from going anywhere.

Faction Navies restrict SHIPS flown by Criminals from entering their space. As soon as you get illegally shot by a Pod, CONCORD and the Faction Navies will start shooting pods.

Anyway, anyone can shoot a criminal's pod. If you want to keep criminals pods out of your space, shoot them or hire someone to shoot them.

You do realise the only capitals that aren't allowed in highsec are the ones that can't use gates, right? That by restricting Orcas to low-null only they would also have to restrict freighters too?

Well thought out reasoning there.

And I understand CCP not wanting to restrict anyone, but it would seem to me that they will need to revisit that idea.

No.

Want to kill Burn Jita and Hulkageddon?

It's simple!! Fix the Orca so it cannot jettison ships in space for -10 status pirates to jump into from their pods..

This has got me thinking, you can easily fix this exploit BUT do you want to?
Do you want these events to take place and why?

And it amazes me how delusional people are, thinking they are making a difference in eve.. and can ransom CCP etc..
Above line mainly aimed at the goons..


HmmhHHHMMMmmmm...

You realise I was making a ridiculous statement in order to make a point? Sorry if you missed it.

And yet this is not my space as in 0.0 it is NPC controlled space. In 0.0 you keep the un-welcomed out by the cohesion of your alliance. There is no such thing in hi-sec. Except CONCORD.

And I understand CCP not wanting to restrict anyone, but it would seem to me that they will need to revisit that idea. In many ways the criminal ship restriction is preventing you from fully utilizing an area already. Along with being a hole to exploit for other activities. And having CONCORD pod you does not restrict you from entering that area. It just gives you consequences for doing so. That were incurred by your actions.

Why?

Because I don't believe CCPs concept of hi-sec is working. Eve Online is a harsh games. Hard to learn. CCP has said hi-sec is safer. Not safe. Safer. There will be consequences if some one breaks a hi-sec law. And yet the consequences for criminals are underwhelming.

With the current setup, this is what CCP is telling me.


1. If someone drives into your peaceful neighbor, blows up your car and shoots you in the head we will take his car and send him on his way.

2. If someone pays this person to drive into your neighborhood, blows up your car and shoots you in the head we will take his car and send him on this way.

3. If we see this person again we will watch him until his does that all over again before we take his car..again.

I think there would be a bit more outrage in the real world. Questions like: Um. Why are you letting him into our neighborhood again when you know that they are just going to put a bullet in someones head?

I don't mind the actions so much as the consequences attached to them.

And yet the consequences for criminals are underwhelming.

With the current setup, this is what CCP is telling me. [silly RL comparisons]

I don't mind the actions so much as the consequences attached to them.

The faction police start shooting his car as soon as it shows up.

Again, CONCORD provides consequences to specific acts of illegal aggression. Always has. There is no thought Police in EvE.

How is it thought police when you have a security status based on your own actions? When the rap sheet on a criminal gets to a certain length you can't talk fast enough to avoid punishment. They know you. The APB is out.

What CCP is telling you is that it's your job to ensure your own security, and they've given you the tools to do so.

So why should CCP suddenly start to restrict where people can go when it's only happening because you're not doing your job?

Why should other suffer because you're lazy?

If that was the case why to we have CONCORD at all or restrict based on security?

Why do you feel that criminals should be able to act with impunity in something that is supposed to be safer then low-sec or 0.0?

Ah the personal attack.

This whole issue can be solved by simply setting up your overview filters correctly. Keep an eye on Local, then when you see a red or flashy enter the system, decide on the spot whether to risk continuing to mine or to warp out. I really don't understand why anything needs to change?

Because people want to be able to make billions of ISK AFK or Botting, and gosh darnit, those mean ol' griefers disagree. With Artillery.

Artillery and small blasters.

Luv2Shoot ! Luv2Shoot !

There are no restrictions. CONCORD serves the purpose of making sure that aggression in highsec comes at a cost. They're not there to provide any kind of security GÇö just an economic disincentive. If you want security, you have to arrange it for yourself.

They aren't.

Nope. It's just an abbreviation for you not wanting to do your part in creating your own security and wanting NPCs to do it for you. Would you like to call it GÇ£lethargicGÇ¥ instead? GÇ£LaxGÇ¥? GÇ£LackadaisicalGÇ¥? GÇ£ApatheticGÇ¥? GÇ£IndifferentGÇ¥?

GǪok, indifferent doesn't work, since you obviously want someone to do it, as long fiddle it's not you.

I think the boggle is i find your posts on this issue to be very narrow. Shallow? Trite? I feel something is not is as intend with regards to hi-sec. You seem to feel the opposite and point to some lack of effort on my part to conform. I dissagree. Good day to you.

I think the boggle is i find your posts on this issue to be very narrow. Shallow? Trite? I feel something is not is as intend with regards to hi-sec. You seem to feel the opposite and point to some lack of effort on my part to conform. I dissagree. Good day to you.

CCP has repeatedly stated that Player Run Events are great and that Suicide Ganking is a valid game mechanic.

How is something in regards to HAG and HS not working as intended?

You're not supposed to die in highsec ~~~~

CCP designed the orca for support roles in high sec.

I did!
Orca is meant for mining not killing miners..

Ignorant poster is ignorant for willingly ignoring the fact that the orca is not a mining ship. It's an industrial command ship meant to assist in a variety of roles. It is even capable of combat against battlecruisers when fitted and piloted properly.

Also, so far as I know, No Orca has ever been used in a suicide gank. Their alpha/dps is atrocious for their price.

I really hope someone proves me wrong. I will laugh mightily.

CCP has repeatedly stated that Player Run Events are great and that Suicide Ganking is a valid game mechanic.

How is something in regards to HAG and HS not working as intended?

Never said I had an issue with ganking in hi-sec. Never said I had an issue with Player Run Events.

If I had to say what seems wrong, it would be how security status is handled. You say we have our consequences as CONCORD will deal with any aggressive act once it happens. Thus, a person can be any security status and travel in hi-sec.

However, you ignore the whole reason CCP put ship restrictions on outlaws/criminals in hi-sec in the first place. To keep them out of a ship that could do harm.

So that being said, if CCP would just fix it so that you can never get into a ship in hi-sec if your security status says you shouldn't that would be more in line with their previous changes. No need to be podded by CONCORD.

Nope. CCP has not put any restrictions on ships in HS. They only made the Police chase ebil criminals because that has a cool bit of realism. Also realistic is being able to run away from the police.

And there is no existing mechanic that bars anyone from boarding a ship that they can fly ('cept that ship being targeted). Adding such a mechanic is ridiculous.

And yet avoiding CONCORD's consequences is a banning offense. Not sure I'm buying that.

There wasn't an existing mechanic to prevent you from tanking CONCORD at one point and yet CCP had to do that as well.

And with that I think we are at a agree to disagree point.

I can see where someone involved in PvP would not want to get locked out of a ship in hi-sec because of their security status. But I don't agree that that fits with what CCP has done in the past with hi-sec.

In my opinion, it is inconsistent to shoot on site a ship of an outlaw/criminal and yet let them pass when there are means for them to equip after passing CONCORD.

I know you disagree.

A ship containing a ship that was used to gank should be destroyed by concord for being an accoplace to the crime.

A ship containing a ship that was used to gank should be destroyed by concord for being an accoplace to the crime.

Oooh, new way to grief mining corps. Join, ask their orca toon to bring your mining frig out to the belt -> get CONCORDED -> Orca Dies

Glad to know you're thinking the consequences through.

Maybe he's really trying to sneakily buff ganking and this is his cunning plan.

Guys, concord, highsec, ganking blah blah, is fine!! it is what makes eve -> eve.

We are not saying remove all ganking or ship storage in the orca in highsec, we are saying revert ganking back to how it was for 7 years prior, where if you had -10 sec you had to gate camp in low sec and not continue to gank in highsec by exploiting the orcas ship bay.

Now with goons inifite hulkageddon announcement, i see this fix coming very, very soon!

This is not an exploit just a game mechanic. A game mechanic which i actualy think is fair. Afterall all this QQ about miners wanting sp's back for wasted sp, and that indy skills cant merge over to pvp. This is a example of a ideal way to use your old mineing orca

Maybee so, but this is eve and tuff!
Alliances like goons and old greifer corps never had this problem back in the day, see my point?

Game rules need to change over time to cater for the new, back in the day new was the new.

If they can't eject the ships from an orca, they'll fly them to the location with an alt and eject/board. It would be a minor logistical change and have no effect on ganking at all. Also, this would have far-reaching effects that you aren't thinking about. Typical for any thread making anti-ganking suggestions.

Please be a troll?

Want to kill Burn Jita and Hulkageddon?

It's simple!! Fix the Orca so it cannot jettison ships in space for -10 status pirates to jump into from their pods..

This has got me thinking, you can easily fix this exploit BUT do you want to?
Do you want these events to take place and why?

And it amazes me how delusional people are, thinking they are making a difference in eve.. and can ransom CCP etc..
Above line mainly aimed at the goons..


HmmhHHHMMMmmmm...

please explain how this is an exploit?

Want to kill Burn Jita and Hulkageddon?

It's simple!! Fix the Orca so it cannot jettison ships in space for -10 status pirates to jump into from their pods..

This has got me thinking, you can easily fix this exploit BUT do you want to?
Do you want these events to take place and why?

And it amazes me how delusional people are, thinking they are making a difference in eve.. and can ransom CCP etc..
Above line mainly aimed at the goons..


HmmhHHHMMMmmmm...

Where in the ship description does it say ship can be used to dump ships in space for players to use..

Note: Cruiser class module

I did!
Orca is meant for mining not killing miners..

Anyway what do i care, i'm only active to train skills and post on these forums..

If my presence is so powerful and that does all your heads in i guess i'll stick around.