There is an opt out, it's called station spinning.
As soon as you hit the undock button, you are agreeing to PVP

It's just not that kind of game. Sorry.

Hmm its a sandbox, exactly what kind of game is it not? lol

Sandbox by definition is a game which allows as much freedom to its player base to choose a game style which suits them and entertains there own desires.

You can't 'opt out' of a sandbox.

I think you're mistaking the idea of what a 'sandbox' game actually is.

Sandbox by definition is a game which allows as much freedom to its player base to choose a game style which suits them and entertains there own desires.

If i want to run a small 5 man corp for me and my freidns your basically saying do it at your own risk. ok so those same 5 friends join an NPC corp to be safe from pvp war dec greifers, now all that is happenign is that those 5 freinds dont get to share as much enjoment as easily as they could of done in a player run corp.

So there is an opt out option already its just a flawed one

Why is it so hard for some people to understand ??? It's not a game where you're supposed to be safe, it's a harsh universe where people get gunned down sometime for no reasons. At least with the war dec system, you have a 24h notice, you know who's after you and you have time to take defensive actions. Hell you can even call in reinforcements if your the one attacked.

If you wanna be left alone playing a spreadsheet game, I don't know go play sim city, or even better, open a real business. And that come from someone who mined for almost a year, so it's not like I'm a pvp is the only way to go kind of guy. I love the industry/market aspect of eve. You just can't ask for theses aspect to be deconnected from the rest of the game.

how many of it's subscribers are carebears?

[quote=David Campbell]People don't understand it becuase they pay to play a game with mechanics which are broken, yes CCP want PVP to be a primary focus of the game, maybe thats true but really, how many of it's subscribers are carebears?

People don't understand it becuase they pay to play a game with mechanics which are broken, yes CCP want PVP to be a primary focus of the game, maybe thats true but really, how many of it's subscribers are carebears?

I imagine they would lose more subs if they started wrapping players of soft fluffy blankets.

One of the key marketing points of Eve Online is the one universe, brutal sandbox.

Eve is not a 'PVE' game, in terms that even if you don't shoot other players directly, you're still always competing with them on some level, be it running exploration sites first, playing the market or being that one who can afford to buy that navy faction ship someone has just made.

Your idea is completely non-congruent with well..everything. The War Dec system was created to stop people hiding in corps in high-sec, and its only major complaint was that it didn't do that job enough. Thus the war-dec buff.

First reasonable response :) good opinion and kind of makes sense what you said.

So for the next question its going to cost the agressor 20mil + 500k per member in the defender corp to to hold up a war dec for a week. So joking aside i could create 500 trial account characters in a matter of hours therefore making it cost a minimum of 250mil to war dec my corp. This is another area where the mechaic is broken.

i could create 500 trial account characters in a matter of hours therefore making it cost a minimum of 250mil to war dec my corp. This is another area where the mechaic is broken.

You obviously didn't read the devblog carefully enough, trials account will not be taken into consideration while calculating the wardec cost.

Ok so on the flip side what is stopping me from creating say 50 trial account characters putting them in my corp and then war decing other small corps who will see I have a 50man corp and think twice about paying the ransom money or putting up a fight.

The new war history maybe ? I'll sure think twice before giving even 1 ISK to 50 man corp who dec me but haven't shot at a single ship ever.

The new war history maybe ? I'll sure think twice before giving even 1 ISK to 50 man corp who dec me but haven't shot at a single ship ever.

Is War history confirmed for this patch? i seen on the fanfest videos that it was in development but not going to make inferno?

what is stopping me from creating say 50 trial account characters putting them in my corp and then war decing other small corps who will see I have a 50man corp and think twice about paying the ransom money or putting up a fight.