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Knus'lar Deep Void Industrial Group T A B O O 4	Posted - 2012.05.16 23:01:00 - [151] - Quote Flurk Hellbron wrote: Eve online is NOT PVP............... try to shoot random ship in 0.5 - 1.0 sec...................... Yes, that is still pvp. By definition in fact... It's called 'High sec Ganking' unless you are five thirty in which case it is 'Griefing'
MechaMouse FOUR HORSEMAN SYNDACATE 0	Posted - 2012.05.16 23:37:00 - [152] - Quote Seeing the bears here and the griefers in c&p both complaining like chicken little about the new mechanics i gotta say : looks like ccp hit the mark
Immortis Vexx Lupus Draconis Dragehund 33	Posted - 2012.05.16 23:43:00 - [153] - Quote MechaMouse wrote: Seeing the bears here and the griefers in c&p both complaining like chicken little about the new mechanics i gotta say : looks like ccp hit the mark You mean the war dec mechanics? Ship balancing? Miner buffs in escalation? The new mechanics have nothing to do with this post or what was being asked. This thread is about carebears wanting to fundamentally change what this game is. There are two arguments at work here; the idiots, and those that are calling for things to stay how they are. To go off on your tangent though.. I think that most people are going to welcome the war dec mechanics. The revived merc system, the lack of cheap griefing war decs, and the removal of dec shield. All good things. I can't wait to see how many corps start up as a result of the merc system. Vexx
Asheru Fweddit 3	Posted - 2012.05.16 23:50:00 - [154] - Quote bongsmoke wrote: Asheru wrote: bongsmoke wrote: Jack Miton wrote: There is an opt out, it's called station spinning. As soon as you hit the undock button, you are agreeing to PVP LOL Like leaving your house, you agree to get raped in an alley by thugs..... Your wit is obviously unmatched. Such wisdom and in-site. If only everyone had your views..... lawl Like comparing real life to a video game. Your wit is obviously non-existent. So real world experience doesnt work in this game, human beings behave differently in games than real life? I suggest you finish high school and learn the real world. Yes, people behave differently in roleplaying games than they do in the real world. In real life, I'm a mild-mannered biologist. In Eve, I'm a cruel sociopath who enjoys suicide ganking miners. I don't, however, enjoy this activity in the real world.
MechaMouse FOUR HORSEMAN SYNDACATE 0	Posted - 2012.05.17 00:06:00 - [155] - Quote Immortis Vexx wrote: MechaMouse wrote: Seeing the bears here and the griefers in c&p both complaining like chicken little about the new mechanics i gotta say : looks like ccp hit the mark You mean the war dec mechanics? Ship balancing? Miner buffs in escalation? ...snip... To go off on your tangent though.. I think that most people are going to welcome the war dec mechanics. The revived merc system, the lack of cheap griefing war decs, and the removal of dec shield. All good things. I can't wait to see how many corps start up as a result of the merc system. Vexx And here l thought I was on-topic. Yes the new dec mechanics should be welcomed by highsec players and I'm surprised to hear bears upset over it. I guess this gives credibility to the " slippery slope to hellokitty online" argument. Give em an inch and they ask for removal of all threats...
Drunken Bum School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 14	Posted - 2012.05.17 03:04:00 - [156] - Quote Quit your goddamn whining and play the real game. Dont like it? Dont let the door hit you in the ass on your way back to world of warcraft and hello kitty paradise pansy *** fart *****.
Rel'k Bloodlor Mecha Enterprises Fleet Villore Accords 184	Posted - 2012.05.17 04:43:00 - [157] - Quote Drunken Bum wrote: Quit your goddamn whining and play the real game. Dont like it? Dont let the door hit you in the ass on your way back to world of warcraft and hello kitty paradise pansy *** fart ***. See that's not true they can just play on sisi, they pay for the game and can go there to not pvp, hell its mostly forbidden there. care bears have there play land, its just there not bears. They want to pvp me in the market and on contracts, but as soon as i use weapons/Ewar then its all "stop" "your and *****""this is not fair" "I don't want to play like this" I am in Factional Warfare. Have been from day one.-á-áI will never work for a mega corp in null-sec. Do not make FW like null-sec. Were is the FW exclusive frigate sized ship? I see the cruiser and battle ship..........
Revman Zim Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic 31	Posted - 2012.05.17 05:23:00 - [158] - Quote Carebear here, posting on my main (ONLY) character. For those that want to opt out of PvP, you are playing the wrong game. Without the possibility of random acts of violence anytime you undock, EVE would be just another cookie-cutter MMO. If you don't like it, either don't undock or find a different game. I am looking forward to moving to NULL (after my deployment to the Persian Gulf is over), and that desire was spurred on by non-consensuall PvP.
Rel'k Bloodlor Mecha Enterprises Fleet Villore Accords 184	Posted - 2012.05.17 07:01:00 - [159] - Quote ok i know im 99.9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% TROLL but 3 points 1) alliances care bears+care bears+even more=to big to dec cheep 2) symbiosis look it up, find PvPers befriend them fight with them profit 3) SISI if you can't do 1&2 you can SILL OPT OUT and play all you want there and you even can get free skill points for temporary boost. I am in Factional Warfare. Have been from day one.-á-áI will never work for a mega corp in null-sec. Do not make FW like null-sec. Were is the FW exclusive frigate sized ship? I see the cruiser and battle ship..........
EvilweaselSA GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 28	Posted - 2012.05.17 19:15:00 - [160] - Quote Flurk Hellbron wrote: Eve online is NOT PVP............... try to shoot random ship in 0.5 - 1.0 sec...................... ive done this a lot usually, the ships i shot at blew up its great fun
Daemon Ceed Crushed Ambitions Reckless Ambition 105	Posted - 2012.05.17 19:32:00 - [161] - Quote EvilweaselSA wrote: Flurk Hellbron wrote: Eve online is NOT PVP............... try to shoot random ship in 0.5 - 1.0 sec...................... ive done this a lot usually, the ships i shot at blew up its great fun What people tend to not understand is that nearly everything outside of running missions is pvp. If you are shooting someone, that's pvp. Whenever you buy something from the market you are being pvp'd or are associating with pvp based of market and price manipulation. Sometimes there is even PVP inside PVE environments, such as if two competing individuals are trying to run the same DED complex or random professional site at the same time. Whoever gets the faction loot drop wins. Anytime you are competing with another player, it is PVP. There are simply different methods of it. If people even realized how much ISK they lose over an extended period of time from market PVP (or the consequence of others participating in such activities) their jaws would drop and they'd find that the loss of their ships by the random ganker or wardec is measly in comparison. The whining and crying for price caps to be put in place for every item in EVE would be thunderous! Just as a footnote, aren't at least 90% of the players in EVE male? What has happened to our gender where so many of you are sniveling, self-entitled, whiny little babies about every little thing that you dislike? Do you need horomone therapy or something to help grow your sac back? I feel sorry for any woman that are wtih a driveling, emasculated little manchild like yourself. Post with your main or GTFO! The Sandbox = Play however the hell you want.
RubyPorto Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 1523	Posted - 2012.05.17 20:42:00 - [162] - Quote Daemon Ceed wrote: EvilweaselSA wrote: Flurk Hellbron wrote: Eve online is NOT PVP............... try to shoot random ship in 0.5 - 1.0 sec...................... ive done this a lot usually, the ships i shot at blew up its great fun What people tend to not understand is that nearly everything outside of running missions is pvp. Running Missions is PvP as well, assuming you sell faction gear or buy things with your ISK. Single-Shard, *Player Driven-áSandbox*. 5 words. That's what makes it special.
Five Thirty School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 71	Posted - 2012.05.17 21:03:00 - [163] - Quote I'm pretty sure everyone is familiar with what is PvP and what is not... The OP was specifically talking about non-consensual PvP via suicide gank, being tricked into agression, and high sec war. So much for the gankbears trying to claim they are the smarter ones in EvE.
Flurk Hellbron Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 98	Posted - 2012.05.17 21:48:00 - [164] - Quote Yeeeeyyyy................ and now all say mining IS PVP.......................... Missioning IS PVP..................... Anything you can possible do IS PVP.................. Then WTF are there so many whine threads about the fact that PVP IS death??????????
Daemon Ceed Crushed Ambitions Reckless Ambition 106	Posted - 2012.05.17 22:08:00 - [165] - Quote Five Thirty wrote: I'm pretty sure everyone is familiar with what is PvP and what is not... The OP was specifically talking about non-consensual PvP via suicide gank, being tricked into agression, and high sec war. So much for the gankbears trying to claim they are the smarter ones in EvE. Only pure and unadulterated idiots are tricked into aggression. You shouldn't coddle the weak or stupid. Let them die as nature intended. Also, during my alts and this toons career, guess how many times I've been sui-ganked? Zero! I've carried some very expensive stuff through notorious gankfest systems too (Perimeter, Jita, Sivala, etc) and I've not even been in danger. Know why? Because I use my brain. I never autopilot. I f*gwarp if I gotta or use a cloaky. I also don't dawdle around in places like a twit waiting for someone to come and shove 1400mm's up my deep six. I also keep up on events, too. When something like Burn Jita happens, I stay the feck away unless I want to do some pewpew myself...but at least I know where it's happening and when. It's not hard. There are a couple good news sites that keep up on the daily intel and takes all of 5min a day worth of reading. As far as highsec wars, if you kick your aggressors in the face fast and hard from the beginning, they'll usually go away. Either that or just stay docked up for a few days and go play WoT or whatever. The war will come and go and nobody will care or notice. It's pretty easy to avoid getting whelped by wardecers if you want to. Most highsec deccers are so fail anyways that as soon as they see you even forming up anything that resembles an actual combat fleet, they flee like roaches. Now, do I need to start passing out testosterone injections for you nancy neckbeared mouthbreathers or are we done with this threadnought of fail? Post with your main or GTFO! The Sandbox = Play however the hell you want.
ModeratedToSilence Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 17	Posted - 2012.05.17 22:13:00 - [166] - Quote Five Thirty wrote: I'm pretty sure everyone is familiar with what is PvP and what is not... The OP was specifically talking about non-consensual PvP via suicide gank, being tricked into agression, and high sec war. So much for the gankbears trying to claim they are the smarter ones in EvE. What we are saying is that if you want to PVP to be consensual then all forms of PVP have to be consensual. I do not want to buy items in the market from people who face no risk. You can not separate one form of PVP from the others because it doesn't suit your gameplay style.
Derath Ellecon Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal 199	Posted - 2012.05.17 23:19:00 - [167] - Quote Five Thirty wrote: I'm pretty sure everyone is familiar with what is PvP and what is not... The OP was specifically talking about non-consensual PvP via suicide gank, being tricked into agression, and high sec war. So much for the gankbears trying to claim they are the smarter ones in EvE. Actually to be accurate, the OP was specifically talking about Wardec's. The OP makes no mention of agression tricks or suicide ganks.
Daemon Ceed Crushed Ambitions Reckless Ambition 106	Posted - 2012.05.17 23:40:00 - [168] - Quote Derath Ellecon wrote: Five Thirty wrote: I'm pretty sure everyone is familiar with what is PvP and what is not... The OP was specifically talking about non-consensual PvP via suicide gank, being tricked into agression, and high sec war. So much for the gankbears trying to claim they are the smarter ones in EvE. Actually to be accurate, the OP was specifically talking about Wardec's. The OP makes no mention of agression tricks or suicide ganks. I was going to point that out. I love it when people try to act like they are smart when their comprehension skills are crap. :) Good poast! Post with your main or GTFO! The Sandbox = Play however the hell you want.
Five Thirty School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 71	Posted - 2012.05.18 00:18:00 - [169] - Quote Non-consensual ship to ship combat. Is that simple enough for you gankbears?
Derath Ellecon Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal 199	Posted - 2012.05.18 01:03:00 - [170] - Quote Five Thirty wrote: Non-consensual ship to ship combat. Is that simple enough for you gankbears? First off, not everyone that disagrees with your views is a gankbear. And the OP started a thread on the premise of wardecs. There is an opt out essentially from wardecs. It is npc corps. Technically there is an opt out to ganking as well. Stay in a starter system. I don't really like suicide ganking. Personally I will never partake in it. But I wholly respect that it is a facet of this game and will defend the right for it to remain in EVE.
Flurk Hellbron Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 98	Posted - 2012.05.18 01:26:00 - [171] - Quote Derath Ellecon wrote: Five Thirty wrote: Non-consensual ship to ship combat. Is that simple enough for you gankbears? First off, not everyone that disagrees with your views is a gankbear. And the OP started a thread on the premise of wardecs. There is an opt out essentially from wardecs. It is npc corps. Technically there is an opt out to ganking as well. Stay in a starter system. <------ not true, you cannot stay noob for weeks I don't really like suicide ganking. Personally I will never partake in it. But I wholly respect that it is a facet of this game and will defend the right for it to remain in EVE.
Derath Ellecon Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal 199	Posted - 2012.05.18 02:07:00 - [172] - Quote Flurk Hellbron wrote: Derath Ellecon wrote: Five Thirty wrote: Non-consensual ship to ship combat. Is that simple enough for you gankbears? First off, not everyone that disagrees with your views is a gankbear. And the OP started a thread on the premise of wardecs. There is an opt out essentially from wardecs. It is npc corps. Technically there is an opt out to ganking as well. Stay in a starter system. <------ not true, you cannot stay noob for weeks I don't really like suicide ganking. Personally I will never partake in it. But I wholly respect that it is a facet of this game and will defend the right for it to remain in EVE. I think you got your quotes messed up? Anyhow. You can absolutely stay in a starter system as long as you like. I didnt say it is a great choice, or particularily fun. But it is a place where ganking is a bannable offense.
RubyPorto Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 1525	Posted - 2012.05.18 06:15:00 - [173] - Quote Five Thirty wrote: Non-consensual ship to ship combat. Is that simple enough for you gankbears? EvE is all about any sort of Player vs Player interaction. Especially non-consensual interactions. This explicitly includes non-consensual ship to ship combat. Concord in HS is there to provide consequences to someone who commits an unprovoked act of aggression. Gate and Station guns in LS is there for the same reason. Repeat after me: HiSec is not, has never been, and has never been intended to be a safe place. CCP has never advertised any part of EvE as "safe." You joined this game with full knowledge that this sort of thing is possible and encouraged. Why are you trying to change the fundamentals of a game that other people enjoy when you knew what those fundamentals were when you started? Single-Shard, *Player Driven-áSandbox*. 5 words. That's what makes it special.
Daemon Ceed Crushed Ambitions Reckless Ambition 107	Posted - 2012.05.18 07:06:00 - [174] - Quote RubyPorto wrote: CCP has never advertised any part of EvE as "safe." You joined this game with full knowledge that this sort of thing is possible and encouraged. Why are you trying to change the fundamentals of a game that other people enjoy when you knew what those fundamentals were when you started? Precisely. But it's hardly worth arguing with people like this. They don't get that EVE has always been the most risky and hardcore MMO on the market. There is no play without risk. Never was, never has been, and hopefully, it never will be...subscriptions be damned. There are plenty other games where you can carebear to your hearts extent free from the type of scum like us who love nothing more than to see you cry and squeal when we turn your ship into space dust. Stop trying to make EVE one of those games. Now can we all grow a sac, end this discussion, and get back to work? Post with your main or GTFO! The Sandbox = Play however the hell you want.
RubyPorto Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 1528	Posted - 2012.05.18 08:03:00 - [175] - Quote Daemon Ceed wrote: Now can we all grow a sac, end this discussion, and get back to work? Not before I tell the Carebears one more thing... ... you know, why don't I let CCP Guard tell them. Single-Shard, *Player Driven-áSandbox*. 5 words. That's what makes it special.
Xuse Senna Analog Folk SRS. 169	Posted - 2012.05.18 08:07:00 - [176] - Quote I think Runescape has Mining :\| D3
Cannibal Kane Praetorian Cannibals 382	Posted - 2012.05.18 10:22:00 - [177] - Quote RubyPorto wrote: Daemon Ceed wrote: Now can we all grow a sac, end this discussion, and get back to work? Not before I tell the Carebears one more thing... ... you know, why don't I let CCP Guard tell them. CCP Guard says it best... I'm not a Pirate, I'm a Terrorist. The Crazy African
Vaju Enki Secular Wisdom 36	Posted - 2012.05.18 10:51:00 - [178] - Quote Five Thirty wrote: Non-consensual ship to ship combat. Is that simple enough for you gankbears? Their no such thing has non-consensual ship to ship combat in EvE Online, you make it consensual as soon as you login the game. If you want instant gratification, go stimulate your genitals. EvE is Hard, deal with it.
RubyPorto Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 1533	Posted - 2012.05.18 11:37:00 - [179] - Quote Vaju Enki wrote: Five Thirty wrote: Non-consensual ship to ship combat. Is that simple enough for you gankbears? Their no such thing has non-consensual ship to ship combat in EvE Online, you make it consensual as soon as you login the game. Be fair, you'd be pissed too if you got your boat violenced while docked in station. Single-Shard, *Player Driven-áSandbox*. 5 words. That's what makes it special.
FloppieTheBanjoClown The Skunkworks 1518	Posted - 2012.05.18 16:32:00 - [180] - Quote I'll just leave this here: http://stinkinguplocal.wordpress.com/2012/04/09/save-me-from-non-consentual-pvp/ It's time to put an end to CCP's war on piracy. Fight your own battles and stop asking CCP to do it for you.

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