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Larkonis TrassIer
Neo Spartans
Laconian Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.05.30 12:54:00 -
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This one party goes hand in hand with this topic, but I digress. Drone users are at a serious disadvantage when fighting under sentries. Although I have on occassion launched wave after wave of light T1 drones as chaff to buy me precious seconds to escape before my armour melts it is quite an irritation when fighting in a larger gang after about 60 seconds half your drones are gone, removing significant capability from your gang, more often than not one volley'd by the guns, so any attempt at management are fruitless.
Again... you may hurf blurf and say... well you shouldn't be outlaw. But this would make more incentive for those dastardly pirates to stand and fight on a gate so you can crush their bones and plunder their booty and get saucy with their wenches.
I understand this may have further complications with reference to Hisec suicide ganking/Concord etc. Would it be all that hard to just remove the kill switch for drones from all gate guns but not Concord?
Sentry Guns no longer agro the Drones of players who have a GCC/Are Aggro'd to that faction's Navy.
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Larkonis TrassIer
Neo Spartans
Laconian Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.05.30 12:54:00 -
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As always, supporting my own topic.
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Avion 7th
CBC Interstellar
Mostly AFK
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Posted - 2009.05.30 13:32:00 -
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A big disadvantage to all pilots, yet gallente ships ones especialy.
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arbiter reborn
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Posted - 2009.05.30 14:11:00 -
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meh im not too sure about this one, i like the idea that a pirate gatecamp is at a disadvantage when it comes to stuff like that, all i know is that when im solo engaging outlaws there drons being killed has saved me a few times,
pirates generally camp or roam near systems they live in from my experience and the fact youre fighting them on their turf should make the advantage swing back too them,
although im sure there would be a good alternative to clumsy gate gun agro mechanics you havnt given me one i can support yet,
so fire away,
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Drake Draconis
Minmatar
Shadow Cadre
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Posted - 2009.05.30 14:26:00 -
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Not Supported.
Exploits mechanics in favor of outlaws.
If drones no longer got aggro... then they could continue to do things for as long as the owner's tanks holds out.
You expect to be an outlaw then you should expect your job to come at a price.
Gate camp somewhere else where there are no gate guns or fewer gate guns at that rate.
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.05.30 15:09:00 -
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There are exactly two things sentry guns do to any camp involving several pirate ships:
1. It prevents them from using frigate sized ships
2. It prevents them from using drones
I dont think it is that good of an idea to remove one of the few uses sentry guns still have.
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RuleoftheBone
Minmatar
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2009.05.30 15:54:00 -
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This won't be very popular. And would make sentry aggro mostly pointless for anyone with a clue. Stealth Domi/Ishtar boost?
And rather than encouraging blobbing/camping gates how about looking at other means to encourage combat away from stations/gates etc?
Not overly supported without further justification.
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Herschel Yamamoto
Agent-Orange
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Posted - 2009.05.30 15:56:00 -
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I've never really liked how Eve's aggro rules work - more things should shoot drones, and drone stats(or spare drone bay capacity) should be built on the premise that they're going to get shot now and then. Sleepers are a step in the right direction in this regard, as far as I'm concerned. The upshot of this is that I think you're going the wrong way to find a solution. Don't make sentries not shoot drones, make them stop being stupid cheating NPCs. Get rid of their infinite tracking, to give drones some actual survivability, and give them some sensible aggro rules as opposed to just random, and the drones might well be a reasonable option.
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Merw
The Hull Miners Union
Gentlemen's Club
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Posted - 2009.05.30 18:58:00 -
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Supported because carebears get to keep their drones in missions so why cant outlaws keep theirs when their gate camping? Change the agro or nerf drones in missions.
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Artemis Rose
Sileo In Pacis
The Space P0lice
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Posted - 2009.05.30 19:28:00 -
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Not supported.
Get away from the sentries if you want to use drones.
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leboe
Dark Star Cartel
Molotov Coalition
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Posted - 2009.05.30 19:39:00 -
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domis are cheap, boost their lowsec usability
one difficulty is that drones still need to be aggroed in highsec
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Drake Draconis
Minmatar
Shadow Cadre
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Posted - 2009.05.30 19:42:00 -
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Edited by: Drake Draconis on 30/05/2009 19:42:20
 Originally by: Merw
Supported because carebears get to keep their drones in missions so why cant outlaws keep theirs when their gate camping? Change the agro or nerf drones in missions.
Missions don't involve gate camping.... comparing an orange to an apple - Epic Fail
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Jalif
Minmatar
Black Sinisters
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Posted - 2009.05.30 21:49:00 -
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Originally by: Artemis Rose
Not supported.
Get away from the sentries if you want to use drones.
Funny statement, targets are to be found at sentries 90% of the time.
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Ignition SemperFi
The Arrow Project
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.05.30 21:53:00 -
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sorry this would make RR domis way too OP
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Xailz
Godless Horizon.
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Posted - 2009.05.30 22:06:00 -
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Edited by: Xailz on 30/05/2009 22:08:03
Originally by: Ignition SemperFi
sorry this would make RR domis way too OP
QFT
No this would make things very unbalanced, and I happen to be a Geddon pilot who uses drones allot even I see why this is a big no no
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Rajere
No Trademark
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Posted - 2009.05.31 00:35:00 -
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can't support this one, sorry. Only reason I launch drones in the presence of sentries is to absorb sentry fire, otherwise they stay in the drone bay. This isn't a new mechanic, anyone who flies a domi/ishtar knows about these restrictions and must adapt/use a different ship.
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Htrag
The Carebear Stare
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Posted - 2009.05.31 01:13:00 -
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choose your battles wisely m8... this one doesn't really make sense, although it would save me a lot of drones
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Gavin Darklighter
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2009.05.31 03:24:00 -
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Sentries not shooting the drones = sentries shooting the drone user.
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RuleoftheBone
Minmatar
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2009.05.31 11:56:00 -
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Originally by: Jalif
Originally by: Artemis Rose
Not supported.
Get away from the sentries if you want to use drones.
Funny statement, targets are to be found at sentries 90% of the time.
Only if you are lazy  .
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RedSplat
Heretic Army
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Posted - 2009.05.31 12:09:00 -
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Edited by: RedSplat on 31/05/2009 12:08:39
Supported.
Yet another arbitrary restriction placed on people but more importantly also one that Gimps Droneboats.
Originally by: CCP Mitnal
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Grek Forto
Malevolent Intentions
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Posted - 2009.05.31 12:53:00 -
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Supported. I wanna fly Myrmidon in gatecamps 
Originally by: Stitcher
It's "Caldari", not "Caldarians". One Caldari, three Caldari, all the Caldari are doing Caldari things using Caldari tools in a Caldari way.
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Larkonis TrassIer
Neo Spartans
Laconian Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.05.31 14:06:00 -
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Originally by: Ignition SemperFi
sorry this would make RR domis way too OP
Cool beans, so it's ok for anti pirates to bring RR domi gangs to fight pirates but not for the Pirates themselves to use them?
I think people have images here of huge permanant camps of Domi's and Ishtars with multiple sentry drones deployed in a transversal reducing r@pe matrix around the gate. Not the case.
You can be an elitist about the issue all you want. Fact is 95% of combat happens on gates or stations. Any time we've sat at a planet for an enemy gang to come into us they just do one, probably convinced it's going to be a hotdrop.
Having been in many hilarious situations where I have been unable to engage a juicy target either at a gate or station due to my drone heavy loadout, or the several times where I've been in a BS gang frantically RR'ing enemy fighters from a downed carrier while we get some haulers on the job I must say this is something that needs looking at.
This won't make any real difference in terms of capability to those dreaded pirate camps. The unwise solo player will still be dead either way.
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Seiji Hannah
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2009.05.31 14:34:00 -
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Either this or make sentries TRACK their targets |
FU22
Beyond Transcendence
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Posted - 2009.05.31 15:39:00 -
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screw it why not
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Mikayla Grey
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Posted - 2009.05.31 15:45:00 -
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Drone ships need lots of love.
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Kazang
Gallente
Wrecking Shots
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Posted - 2009.05.31 17:19:00 -
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No i don't support this as it would make RR domis fleets a little too imba.
I do however think that sentry guns should have significantly reduced damage to drones and other small targets. To give players a chance at using their drones through skillfull management. In the area of 3-4 volleys to kill a unbonused heavy drone
Sentries should be there to make gate fighting in low sec more difficult, but not impossible for certain classes of ships.
Kazang
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RuleoftheBone
Minmatar
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2009.05.31 18:12:00 -
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Edited by: RuleoftheBone on 31/05/2009 18:15:39
Originally by: Larkonis TrassIer
Fact is 95% of combat happens on gates or stations.
Having been in many hilarious situations where I have been unable to engage a juicy target either at a gate or station due to my drone heavy loadout, or the several times where I've been in a BS gang frantically RR'ing enemy fighters from a downed carrier while we get some haulers on the job I must say this is something that needs looking at.
This won't make any real difference in terms of capability to those dreaded pirate camps.
The part I bolded for you is the real issue. Seriously. Why follow the herd mentality of nullsec (i.e. da blob on da gate/da blob on da station/da blob on the POS) and further encourage similar brainless "push-butan" in losec?
Instead of buffing for the lazy....proper incentive for smarter hisec dwellers to risk losec for whatever reason is the way forward. Along with ****canning all POS shields (and take the ****ing things out of WH's altogether).
The part in italics...boohoo. Also LOL. And boohoo again.
Yes the number of camps in losec has always been made out far worse than reality. By a mile. A country mile. But the silliness in Rancer and other hisec-losec junctions (woohoo awesome corp gets 14k kills of which 12k are shuttles go doodz  ) kinda puts folks off.
It's simple.
Nuke POS shields. Period. All of them.
Buff losec rewards for those that wish to risk it.
Oh...remove local and make it just a count of active pilots. Everywhere.
And I'll have that pony and flying pig.
Good luck.
**EDIT**I forgot...open up hisec to outlaws without Mommy/Daddy aggro babysitters. Concord is so silly. And outlaws being automatic targets anyway thanks to sec status can choose whether or not to risk a visit....just like the various "LOL-antipie" types feel free to drop into losec with T1 pap blob.
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Sytoru Hiroshyma
SkillzKillz
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Posted - 2009.05.31 18:35:00 -
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As a non-drone ship pilot that like to indulge in the odd low-sec escapade I like the way that things currently operate. Drones are not a significant percentage of my DPS or ability and for such operations I usually just fill the bay with whatever light drones are cheapest at the time.
The time it takes for sentries to cycle after destroying (well, insta-popping) a done is awesome and allows me a much greater window of oppourtunity when it comes to the gank...
That said, however, removing sentry aggression from drones will be a bonus. A bonus to those that I am trying to gank, a bonus that want to give it a try but are drone based and a boost to those that want to combat pirates that aren't outlaws (yes, we do exist).
Supported.
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Stil Harkonnen
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Posted - 2009.05.31 18:55:00 -
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Edited by: Stil Harkonnen on 31/05/2009 18:55:25
supported all the way.
Gallente are at a huge disadvantage with the sentry guns shooting at drones. Sentry guns don't shoot missiles down, they don't shoot energy weapons so they break, so why shoot one of gallente's main damage dealing weapons?
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Arathon Theimies
Neo Spartans
Laconian Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.05.31 19:31:00 -
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Support all the way, domi needs some love.
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