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dastommy79 Caldari Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.06.04 06:45:00 - [301] Originally by: Devian 666 Originally by: dastommy79 Ken did the right thing. There was nothing they could have done against the sheer numbers of people that bum rushed delve after the goonswarm metagaming attack. The best thing they could do is sit it out while the rest of us did our part to take advantage of the situation on our end. I agree taking advantage of the situation and letting Kenny get trampled was the best thing Atlas ever did. Atlas has benefited significantly from it. for historical record Atlas and the rest of superfreinds was disgusted by the actions and where willing to leave our current theaters to assist in delve. Molle made the call for the rest of us to stay and cleanup your mess down south. This also shows the character of your enemy, one who sacrafices himself for the greater good of his friends. E-honour and stuff Former SmashKill Coaliton Leader Stop banning me
Cippalippus Primus Caldari The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.06.04 06:52:00 - [302] I think you're just trolling on the metagaming part. About the sheer numbers, this is one of those myths that will probably last until the servers shut down. I remember quite clearly, the very night before the PR- camp began, in Eurotime we had around 400 pilots in QY6 to their 600 in J-L. Instead of engaging, they kinda hanged around, doing... who knows what. We don't believe this was planned all along, and if it was, it was a dumb plan. -clp
OldPueblo Gallente DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.06.04 06:53:00 - [303] Originally by: dastommy79 ... Molle made the call for the rest of us to stay.... lol dance puppet dance!
Devian 666 Gallente Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.06.04 07:04:00 - [304] Originally by: dastommy79 Originally by: Devian 666 Originally by: dastommy79 Ken did the right thing. There was nothing they could have done against the sheer numbers of people that bum rushed delve after the goonswarm metagaming attack. The best thing they could do is sit it out while the rest of us did our part to take advantage of the situation on our end. I agree taking advantage of the situation and letting Kenny get trampled was the best thing Atlas ever did. Atlas has benefited significantly from it. for historical record Atlas and the rest of superfreinds was disgusted by the actions and where willing to leave our current theaters to assist in delve. Molle made the call for the rest of us to stay and cleanup your mess down south. This also shows the character of your enemy, one who sacrafices himself for the greater good of his friends. E-honour and stuff For the same reasons you claim their self-sacrifice is in fact the reason why they are fools. I suggested on caod when the Delve invasion was working well that Kenny relocate and build up in another region. They could have actually fought on the front lines while setting up elsewhere. Instead they greedily took R64s off of their pets while refusing to engage. Self-destruction is different from self sacrifice. Signature should be EVE related. ~Weatherman
Sir Marksalot Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.06.04 07:44:00 - [305] Edited by: Sir Marksalot on 04/06/2009 07:44:50 Originally by: Talon Scorpio So here we are. We have lost land and name and a great deal of prestige in the eyes of many. Certainly you can mock us, you have and you will continue to. Lolcat will gather as much attention around him for as long as his 15 minutes of fame lasts and he will lala and ~~~~ to a charicaturish degree for as long as he likes. In return, I can say because it is a fact: As long a any of us stand here and defy you, you will never feel you have "won". You will cry about it on the forums for years to come, because we will be here just as long as you are probably. As long as there is one of us left standing and looking at you, as long as one of us gets in a ship and comes after you. However successful, however unsuccessful. We are here. We are BoB. Always. It doesnt really matter what you call us at this point, we are still BoB. There is not a dam thing you can do about who we are. Not really. e: I'm ******ed but at least I'm not that guy.
Euriti Gallente Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.06.04 08:30:00 - [306] Originally by: dastommy79 Originally by: Heath Ledger A solid point, however Ken could have done alot more to delay our progress in Delve during that time period, and instead chose to roam about in hacs accomplishing nothing. Ken did the right thing. There was nothing they could have done against the sheer numbers of people that bum rushed delve after the goonswarm metagaming attack. The best thing they could do is sit it out while the rest of us did our part to take advantage of the situation on our end. also people may wonder why i troll NC so much now. I was a member of NC for a long time and the NC's victory in delve and querious was due to borderline exploit horrible ccp mechanic. It is not a way any self respecting alliance would like to achieve victory and at that moment i knew all the crap i was feed as an NC pilot was indeed crap. If the GKC never gets back their space, they can at least take comfort that their enemy's couldn't remove them without borderline cheating. Your victory in this campaing would be a contradiction to your policys and code of ethics. I am open to debate Fred0 on this one at any time. Well why don't you throw some evidence of these "exploits" on the table then? All I see is hurf blurf so I'm gonna go ahead and say that ATLAS' victory in omist was due to borderline exploit horrible ccp mechanic. See, just as credible as you ______________________________________________
Scatim Helicon Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.06.04 09:29:00 - [307] Originally by: dastommy79 Originally by: Heath Ledger A solid point, however Ken could have done alot more to delay our progress in Delve during that time period, and instead chose to roam about in hacs accomplishing nothing. Ken did the right thing. There was nothing they could have done against the sheer numbers of people that bum rushed delve after the goonswarm metagaming attack. The best thing they could do is sit it out while the rest of us did our part to take advantage of the situation on our end. Had they shown any sense of urgency, AAA and co could have spammed out our previous holdings in the east in less than two weeks and come to Kenzoku's assistance long before any of the station constellations in Delve gained Goonswarm Sov3. For all talk of the numbers arrayed against you, we saw in 49- that the 25 or so alliances on Kenny's side are capable of locking down and purging a system with 1400 characters when they choose to. Instead they dragged their heels after they took Feythabolis and Tenerifis, and it wasn't until more than a month after the disbanding that they deployed to the west in any significant strength. Saying that the priority was spamming our undefended systems in Feyth and Tenerifis is all very well (although doing so probably boosted Goonswarm's participation in Delve as it made clear that if we didn't take Delve it was back to Syndicate), but I'm sure that after taking Feyth and Tenerifis, sitting on them for a few weeks doing nothing while Kenzoku's towers were scoured from Delve and their pilots were camped into PR- wasn't part of Molle's masterplan.
Snowden Vel Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.06.04 09:41:00 - [308] Originally by: dastommy79 Ken did the right thing. There was nothing they could have done against the sheer numbers of people that bum rushed delve after the goonswarm metagaming attack. The best thing they could do is sit it out while the rest of us did our part to take advantage of the situation on our end. Molle didn't seem to agree with you when this first happened: Quote: The chief executive of the world's biggest corporation gets a phone call in the middle of the night. Thanks to industrial espionage, the company has been bankrupted, assets stripped, bank accounts emptied. When trading starts the next day, even the company name will be gone. If this were real life, the executive might consider jumping out the window. But in the online game of EVE Online, it's all part of the fun. "It is another challenge," said Par Molen, the leader of the "corporation" Band of Brothers (BoB), who got the late-night call. "That's what we live for." Dianabolic was pushing a similar line on EVE-Radio after it happened. Unfortunately Ken was more concerned with plausible deniability than ~good fights~ and so we find ourselves at this juncture. Kenny can argue impossibility until they're red in the face, but they stopped defending long before the outcome was determined.
Fred0 Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.06.04 10:24:00 - [309] Originally by: dastommy79 Ken did the right thing. There was nothing they could have done against the sheer numbers of people that bum rushed delve after the goonswarm metagaming attack. The best thing they could do is sit it out while the rest of us did our part to take advantage of the situation on our end. also people may wonder why i troll NC so much now. I was a member of NC for a long time and the NC's victory in delve and querious was due to borderline exploit horrible ccp mechanic. It is not a way any self respecting alliance would like to achieve victory and at that moment i knew all the crap i was feed as an NC pilot was indeed crap. If the GKC never gets back their space, they can at least take comfort that their enemy's couldn't remove them without borderline cheating. Your victory in this campaing would be a contradiction to your policys and code of ethics. I am open to debate Fred0 on this one at any time. I have always argued that CCP needs to implement better controls at the top end of alliance and corp management. The tools we posess and the controls we can implement are extremely limited. I've always said this and I still think we do. With that said, we have the rules CCP has implemented and they are set in stone. After that everything is fair game and I mean everything. Years ago we in RZR handicapped ourselves by trying to hold ourselves to higher standards, that is gone. We will sink to any level that is allowed by CCP to achieve victory, anything else is just stupid. If we can get an edge by doing something that isn't against the letter of the law, we will. With that out of the way. The sheer numbers thingy is exaggerated. We had 5-700 people moving into Delve, we had those numbers coordinated and we had big numbers 24/7 with FC's pulling double shifts to make sure we had plenty overlap. That's OHGOD/PL/SOT/TCF/RZR/RAWR/KIA/ZAF. We have done this campaign with more or less those exact same entities. KEN has intermittently outblobbed us heavily but they've lacked the stamina or organisation to keep it up. Once in 49-U they had 1200 pilots, it's a record afaik and our side has never been really close to 1k even. Your side had a very good opportunity to throw everything into Delve manpower wise and match us, you could very likely have won that fight or atleast stalled it for four weeks to start gaining sov3 again all while spamming the regions you focused to instead choose on. Moving to Delve while spamming Detorid etc. was the logical choice, it was what we unanimously thought you would do. It was what we 100 times out of 100 would do. In short, it was the biggest strategical blunder your side has ever done and it's cost KEN fortress Delve I'm pretty sure. --- "Cutting Edge 4 Life"
McFly Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2009.06.04 10:29:00 - [310] Sad to see it, but the goonies are right, Bob did throw in the towel after just a few days, granted they got kicked square in the nuts hardcore by Haargoth. They still failed to meet the standard 'elite' performance they had always preached themselves to be. It sucks because everyone loves to hate BoB, but we all really expected them to go out with a bang, (if ever) instead of whimpering down to nothingness. Only question is when do they just let go and move on. I really don't think they'll ever be able to recapture Delve/Querious/Period Basis, although I would like them to. Not with the continous presence of the NC/Goons/PL on a moments notice to jumpclone to a staged dread fleet.
Khornne Caldari The Galactic Empire Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2009.06.04 10:36:00 - [311] Edited by: Khornne on 04/06/2009 10:36:13 Originally by: CaptainAttitude Originally by: Khornne Sorry for making you mad. What is it with you KenGoku people and you KenGoku boyfriends? Whenever you think you've made one of us mad we're laughing at you. You people are forum amateurs and you can't beat us in game so why, oh why do you think we'd ever be mad at you, sweetie? The funny thing this is, I thought the same about you. Nice that you can't stop posting about it and still feel ****ed. -- Khornne's Teamspeak Server Service
King Dead Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.06.04 10:43:00 - [312] It is a little known fact that The Lord of Blood and Skulls sometimes takes a break and attempts to post on internet forums. Even after lessons from his brothers in Chaos he is still not very good at it.
Soldis Minmatar Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2009.06.04 12:15:00 - [313] LOL at the talk of securing Goon's old space by Atlas as an excuse for not giving their all in Delve. YOU STILL HAVEN'T FINISHED TAKING UNDEFENDED SPACE. YOU STILL HAVEN'T FINISHED TAKING UNDEFENDED SPACE.
Soldis Minmatar Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2009.06.04 12:20:00 - [314] Edited by: Soldis on 04/06/2009 12:25:11 What it all comes down to is the quality of allies Goons have over Kenzoku. The false sense of "brotherhood" Kenzoku pays lip service to doesn't make them any more efficient during combat or anything at all really. "Hate" for Goons isn't an effective rallying cry either, because everyone secretly wants to be a Goon.
Space Penguin Caldari Libera Mentem Tuam Libera Alliance	Posted - 2009.06.04 12:25:00 - [315] Originally by: Soldis LOL at the talk of securing Goon's old space by Atlas as an excuse for not giving their all in Delve. YOU STILL HAVEN'T FINISHED TAKING UNDEFENDED SPACE. YOU STILL HAVEN'T FINISHED TAKING UNDEFENDED SPACE. last time i looked xdx were defending that space.. undefended? hence xdx owned corp Goonfleel.... The Daily FIX
Scatim Helicon Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.06.04 12:30:00 - [316] Originally by: Soldis What it all comes down to is the quality of allies Goons have over Kenzoku. The false sense of "brotherhood" Kenzoku gives lip service to doesn't make them any more efficient. Its hard to have good quality allies when you base your recruitment policy on leeching anyone who you think is midway competent in the pet alliances out for yourself and leaving the rest to wither.
Soldis Minmatar Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2009.06.04 12:34:00 - [317] Originally by: Space Penguin last time i looked xdx were defending that space.. undefended? hence xdx owned corp Goonfleel.... Did you just claim that AAA, Atlas, Stain Empire, Executive Outcomes, etc... couldn't beat an isk farming alliance? Like I said, quality of allies...
Transwarp Initiate Caldari N0 SUCH AGENCY INC	Posted - 2009.06.04 12:50:00 - [318] Originally by: Soldis Originally by: Space Penguin last time i looked xdx were defending that space.. undefended? hence xdx owned corp Goonfleel.... Did you just claim that AAA, Atlas, Stain Empire, Executive Outcomes, etc... couldn't beat an isk farming alliance? Like I said, quality of allies... so it is defended then?
Faekurias Caldari Specter Enterprises The Church.	Posted - 2009.06.04 12:55:00 - [319] I think this is relevant to the Discussion : WE ARE ON DA BOATS -------------------------
Soldis Minmatar Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2009.06.04 13:11:00 - [320] Originally by: Transwarp Initiate so it is defended then? Only in a similar fashion that a mouse guards a bag of peanuts against a troop of elephants. It shouldn't be considered a defence by any stretch of the imagination.
Snot Shot Minmatar Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2009.06.04 13:42:00 - [321] Part #1 Quote: this post is wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong. Allow me to hurf blurf a moment: It is a pretty funny notion that our enemies are dumb enough to decide that spamming towers in undefended space 4 regions away from the front lines is any excuse not to defend delve in its short window of sov1&2. There was NO TIME LIMIT down south. And allied fleets are always consolidated for the big fights and scouting them is not difficult. - A land grab of undefended space can only be done in the way it was by both ûA- and GS and thatÆs all out and as fast as possible with out looking back. Kens Allies had to START knocking down old GS space against Sov 3 & 4 where the GS NAP train was starting with a clean slate at Sov-1à.. you my friend are wrong. The Allied fleets always being consolidated notion is just plain bs. I recall sitting in G-TT waiting to bridge while TCF was trying to get in the back door of 49 and GS through another etc. Then for ôsmallö fights of about 200+ there is always an ambush Fleet waiting along with the ôTripple DDö button at the readyàà yeah thatÆs easy to defend againstà.. Quote: The southern russians were more interested in a land grab. Delve fell after only a couple attempts at a defense by kudozu. They gave up, sat down, and let us fortify our new home, because without AAA, SE, ROL etc. goku will not even attmpt to fight. As the poster above you pointed out they could have rebuilt a cap fleet, or could have done a mass break out (despite the numbers in the camp). The Kenny obsession with trying not to lose any ships meant that they sat in the station and didn't bother to log in. -A- were on their way to help break out their fleet and Kenny turned around and told them that they didn't want their help. In the month that they were spinning in stations we were knocking over all of their towers. Again, Ken knew the best thing for the situation was their Allies capturing the old GS space. Yeah Ken could have ôslowedö the NAP train progress by throwing themselves under the wheels a few time as a speed bump but they got trapped in a station by a month long cookout while the NAP train rampaged through. Again, gf by the NAP train left clicking and then station camping for a month to take the regions. As we saw, -A- could have broken them out at any point but the plan was to make sure the old GS space was secured. Quote: The sov 1 argument isn't very interesting as all we would discuss the complete incompetence of internal security in Kenny. That was a timebomb waiting to happen. It's great spouting propaganda claiming that it is the only reason why Kenny lost Delve, but this admits that the only reason why they had space in the first place was because of existing sov and that they couldn't hold any space if required. WTF? I actually had to re-read this statement to make sure itÆs clear you have no idea how anyone holds space in this gameà Continued.. Just sayin.....
Snot Shot Minmatar Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2009.06.04 13:43:00 - [322] Part #2 Quote: Had they shown any sense of urgency, AAA and co could have spammed out our previous holdings in the east in less than two weeks and come to Kenzoku's assistance long before any of the station constellations in Delve gained Goonswarm Sov3. For all talk of the numbers arrayed against you, we saw in 49- that the 25 or so alliances on Kenny's side are capable of locking down and purging a system with 1400 characters when they choose to. Instead they dragged their heels after they took Feythabolis and Tenerifis, and it wasn't until more than a month after the disbanding that they deployed to the west in any significant strength. So with this statement you have ûA- running around like idiots spamming towers, tearing down old GS Sov 3 & 4 space, while gearing up to put forth a huge effort on two fronts for months to come. Why would Ken or anyone expect ûA- to do this? Because they are nice? Back to the numbers statement regarding 49- and 1,400 in localàà.itÆs happened a couple of times to try and fend off massive assaults and thatÆs it. Again you point to isolated incidents like this to plug huge holes in your attempt to prove taking these regions was ôEpicö. Quote: Saying that the priority was spamming our undefended systems in Feyth and Tenerifis is all very well (although doing so probably boosted Goonswarm's participation in Delve as it made clear that if we didn't take Delve it was back to Syndicate), but I'm sure that after taking Feyth and Tenerifis, sitting on them for a few weeks doing nothing while Kenzoku's towers were scoured from Delve and their pilots were camped into PR- wasn't part of Molle's masterplan. I wouldnÆt say it was part of any plan but with Ken running around 3 Sov-1 Regions trying to put down POS spamming fires, defending multiple system POS take downs, and coordinating evacs of assets across all regions and then getting camped in, I could see the response from ûA- being just what it was. And again, its not just spamming towers in F&T, you keep glossing over the fact that they needed to take down Sov 3 & 4 systems which can take a while at any pace. Quote: With that out of the way. The sheer numbers thingy is exaggerated. We had 5-700 people moving into Delve, we had those numbers coordinated and we had big numbers 24/7 with FC's pulling double shifts to make sure we had plenty overlap. That's OHGOD/PL/SOT/TCF/RZR/RAWR/KIA/ZAF. We have done this campaign with more or less those exact same entities. KEN has intermittently outblobbed us heavily but they've lacked the stamina or organisation to keep it up. Once in 49-U they had 1200 pilots, it's a record afaik and our side has never been really close to 1k even. So your point here is to say that you have consistently had a huge presence during this land grab because the NAP train spans all time zones and that Ken showed the ability to field more numbers on a couple of occasions so they could have stopped all this from happening? Again, the South and East was on fire, do you try and defend 3 Sov-1 Regions or do you rush now unoccupied Sov-3 & 4 Regions and try and break them in time just incase GS does not take Delve and wants to come back? I think we all know the answer to this one. Just sayinà Dr. Shot Just sayin.....
Admiral Frools Caldari The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.06.04 14:11:00 - [323] Originally by: Snot Shot So with this statement you have ûA- running around like idiots spamming towers, tearing down old GS Sov 3 & 4 space, while gearing up to put forth a huge effort on two fronts for months to come. Why would Ken or anyone expect ûA- to do this? Because they are nice? Back to the numbers statement regarding 49- and 1,400 in localàà.itÆs happened a couple of times to try and fend off massive assaults and thatÆs it. Again you point to isolated incidents like this to plug huge holes in your attempt to prove taking these regions was ôEpicö. The only thing that was "Epic" about taking Delve was the epic hilarity of - after all the "WE'LL FIGHT YOU ON THE BEACHES, BLAH BLAH <INSERT 300 SCRIPT HERE>, YOU'LL NEVER TAKE DELVE" spouted from RKZ after the buttan push - watching RKZ's attempt at defence collapse after under a week of fighting, 2 lost motherships (the AXE one was a moran tho), 1 lost titan... and then disappearing for a month while goons sat AFK in bubbles in PR-. So basically after 4 years of being proclaimed as the best alliance in the game, turning arrogant, fat and lazy while holding the best regions in the game and not really having a single threat to their space in that time, they collapsed just as quickly as any of the hundreds of ***ty alliances they killed during their "glory years" (Yes you may use this against me when PL inevitably get owned for being fat and lazy)*
Shayleigh Snowflower Caldari DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.06.04 14:19:00 - [324] Originally by: Snot Shot South and East was on fire, do you try and defend 3 Sov-1 Regions or do you rush now unoccupied Sov-3 & 4 Regions and try and break them in time just incase GS does not take Delve and wants to come back? I think we all know the answer to this one. Just sayinà Dr. Shot Anyone thinking Goons would EVER go back to Angel space if Goons failed to take Delve are stupid. Your argument is about as valid as a one liner or an empty quote. Goon orders where clear. We move to Delve. We NEVER look back. Take Delve or move to Empire. The ONLY once that did not believe that was EvilTub --- Not banned any more.. yes. Poasting alt banned from CAOD.. Poasting with mains
Zippernaut Gallente Sigma Holding Corp GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.06.04 14:21:00 - [325] irony: kenny whining about unfair exploits and napfests ITT.
The Mittani Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.06.04 14:31:00 - [326] Originally by: 6/4 There's very little to report in this war update because hostiles stood by and did nothing whatsoever as we blew up approximately 12 towers in various systems since the last update. Keeping the Querious Spam Tracker accurate is going to be difficult at this pace. For about thirty seconds a BeachBoys titan was tackled in KFIE, then the hictor holding the point was jammed and it warped off. On the strategic level, in addition to us killing a buttload of towers, we kited the 5V- R64 into a 20:00ish timer on Friday. Not the best kite, but early enough that we can get a substantial US TZ turnout for some ~good fights~. Today, RKZ is having yet another "Big Two Week Offensive." Let's make sure we're here with enough force to render it as impotent as the last one. In failure cascade news, Skunk-Works lost a fifth member corp, Aeon of Strife. With 64 members that's a fairly substantial percentage loss for an already-screwed pet.
Yonker Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.06.04 14:47:00 - [327] Edited by: Yonker on 04/06/2009 14:47:43 Mittens, why don't you make a new thread for each of these updates? Or at least add to the OP. Having to sort through 10 pages of crap to find the update/comments on the update is too much :effort: Originally by: Snot Shot So here we sit with everyone throwing stones at Ken/GKC for being such losers for not being able to stop a left mouse click and then not having enough Allies show up to help defend 3 regions for 3+ months starting at SOV-1, all from the NAP train on their own land grab conquestà..wtf. Dr. Shot ....'nothing short of omnipotence itself'? We're throwing stones because they have tried to build themselves up as some sort of untouchable entity... when in fact they were just hiding behind a giant Sov3/4 wall with the ability to throw untold trillions of isk worth of superior ships at Alliances and wining battles by exploiting bad mechanics (remote doomsdays, hiding poses via Gridfu, pos bowling). As soon as the field was equalized (Sov3 drop, an alliance with the ability to field the same amount of T2 battleships/cap ships/titans and the majority of the major exploits removed (i.e. titans nerfed)) they crumpled faster than many of their buffer pets. Now, this once self declared omnipotent Alliance, has lost everything and become no better than some pirate alliance while at the same time being played as a pawn in the ongoing game of 0.0 warfare.... ... yeah it is a little funny.
Snot Shot Minmatar Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2009.06.04 14:47:00 - [328] So that was all you could come back with huàa few comments about a statement any Alliance leader would have made to rally troops, and then an attempt to tarnish the past 4 years of Epic wars won and lost by both sides of which many of us were apart of? Then, yet again, pointing to Ken not being able to take back 3 Regions knocked to Sov-1 overnight against the NAP train of EVEàà gfààtry and twist it another way so this thing does not look like the circus side show that it isà On many occasions GS looked back at the East to take inventory as to how far gone their escape route was but was reassured by the NAP train that they were safe. And here we are again with this thread bleeding back into ôwhining, exploitsö, and the usual GS propaganda and meaningless drivel. Just sayinàà.. Dr. Shot Just sayin.....
Richyp Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.06.04 14:55:00 - [329] Originally by: Snot Shot :words: Every time I see one of your hurf blurf posts this is how I envision you. Just Sayin... Dr. Shot MaD
Snot Shot Minmatar Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2009.06.04 14:58:00 - [330] And you had to edit your post twice to sat that? Just sayin... Dr. Shot Just sayin.....

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