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Fat Ducker
Amarr Lucky Hydra Corp
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Posted - 2009.06.07 12:36:00 -
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Originally by: Butter Dog To be fair, all the half-decent T2 module BPO's turn a good 1bn ISK of profit a month each for very little effort.
Ships are bit 'meh' thanks to invention, but there is still very good and reliable ISK to be made from module and drone BPO's.
I'm rubbish at maths, help me out.
Exactly how may of these "half decent T2 BPO's" are required to pay for just the CT kits (i'm not counting monthly fuel bills for them, most towers seem to have a pretty short life cycle) expended by RKZ & pals in the last month?
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Himo Amasacia
Minmatar Ultrapolite Socialites GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.06.07 12:42:00 -
[782]
Edited by: Himo Amasacia on 07/06/2009 12:42:39
Originally by: Butter Dog Whenever I finally manage to find someone willing to go to bed with me, they point and laugh at my inadequacy.
Fun night last night. Took a trip into AAA space. After fighting some AAA that were bravely docking and undocking from a station, we blew up a freighter filled with capital mods that bounced off the shield of one of the worst fitted towers I've ever seen. We then ripped apart the fleet that finally left the station looking for revenge. They then did the only thing they could think of and doomsdayed us. They got 3 interceptors, a covert ops frig and a T1 cruiser. *golfclap*
"Constant practice devoted to one subject often outdoes both intelligence and skill." -Cicero |

Butter Dog
Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.06.07 12:45:00 -
[783]
Originally by: Himo Amasacia Edited by: Himo Amasacia on 07/06/2009 12:42:39
Originally by: Butter Dog Whenever I finally manage to find someone willing to go to bed with me, they point and laugh at my inadequacy.
Fun night last night. Took a trip into AAA space. After fighting some AAA that were bravely docking and undocking from a station, we blew up a freighter filled with capital mods that bounced off the shield of one of the worst fitted towers I've ever seen. We then ripped apart the fleet that finally left the station looking for revenge. They then did the only thing they could think of and doomsdayed us. They got 3 interceptors, a covert ops frig and a T1 cruiser. *golfclap*
I'm curious how that dull little story related to that made up quotation of mine?
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AKA 'Bitter Dog'
Failing at everything he does in EvE since '05 |

Tearavygh Quillam
Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.06.07 12:50:00 -
[784]
Originally by: Butter Dog To be fair, all the half-decent T2 module BPO's turn a good 1bn ISK of profit a month each for very little effort.
Ships are bit 'meh' thanks to invention, but there is still very good and reliable ISK to be made from module and drone BPO's.
RKZ, redoing BoB, haul by haul. GL.
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Himo Amasacia
Minmatar Ultrapolite Socialites GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.06.07 13:44:00 -
[785]
Edited by: Himo Amasacia on 07/06/2009 13:44:32
Originally by: Butter Dog To be fair, all the half-decent T2 module BPO's turn a good 1bn ISK of profit a month each for very little effort.
Ships are bit 'meh' thanks to invention, but there is still very good and reliable ISK to be made from module and drone BPO's.
*files under the same file as "Butter dogs knowledge of region values and moon mining"*
Originally by: Butter Dog PAY ATTENTION TO MEEEE!!! MEEE!!!
Unconfirmed reports state that RKZ allies have begun full evacuation of all assets out of the Querious theater. ROL have been seen pulling stuff out 49 station and enemy towers have been vanishing all over the region before the cleansing fire of our capitals can get around to purifying them in fire. RKZ resistance today has been nil. No doubt they have things of great import to accomplish, like rescuing the Damsel in Distress, and mining veld. More news as we have it!
Your Querious correspondent, signing off. |

Fred0
Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.06.07 13:45:00 -
[786]
Having fought BOB/KEN since their inception I can safely say I've never seen them this dominated and helpless on their own. We smelled their blood in Tribute but this is something else, they really feel finished and the KEN numbers are like 1/4 of what they normally would be. |

Serinao
Caldari DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.06.07 13:48:00 -
[787]
It's ok Butter Dog keep cheering former bob. I remember how you cheered for ascn against bob as well.
I think, i realy should start to worry the day you gonna be cheering my side.
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Triest
Minmatar Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.06.07 13:57:00 -
[788]
Originally by: Adanthar Edited by: Adanthar on 07/06/2009 05:31:41
Originally by: Comstr Before he died, Haggorth the Betrayer made a prophecy.
You will become what you Steal.
best book ever
"Pass me another elf, Sergeant. This one's split."
This is "Grunts" right? Good stuff, what with the overwhelming cliches in most fantasy nowadays. A bit too similar to the warhammer orks, maybe, but there's nothing wrong with that.
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Will Hunter
Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.06.07 14:06:00 -
[789]
someone please make himo stop posting |

Shadowsword
Gallente Epsilon Lyr Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2009.06.07 14:25:00 -
[790]
Edited by: Shadowsword on 07/06/2009 14:25:20
Originally by: Butter Dog To be fair, all the half-decent T2 module BPO's turn a good 1bn ISK of profit a month each for very little effort.
Ships are bit 'meh' thanks to invention, but there is still very good and reliable ISK to be made from module and drone BPO's.
http://www.bandofbrothers.org.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=6221
All those bpos together might be almost equal to a pair of dyspro moons in monthly income. Not nearly enough to matter... |

WrathOfOprah
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.06.07 14:33:00 -
[791]
Edited by: WrathOfOprah on 07/06/2009 14:33:06
Originally by: Butter Dog
I dislike goonswarm for entirely different reasons. They're not a healthy addition to the game, and it's a shame you legitimise them. I know you guys don't like them, and its just a temporary thing V's kenny, but still...
I can confirm that we are a blight to the game. Quick, someone launch a two week war to camp us into an npc station. That'll teach us to mind our manners on CAOD. |

Butter Dog
Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.06.07 14:34:00 -
[792]
Originally by: Shadowsword Edited by: Shadowsword on 07/06/2009 14:25:20
Originally by: Butter Dog To be fair, all the half-decent T2 module BPO's turn a good 1bn ISK of profit a month each for very little effort.
Ships are bit 'meh' thanks to invention, but there is still very good and reliable ISK to be made from module and drone BPO's.
http://www.bandofbrothers.org.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=6221
All those bpos together might be almost equal to a pair of dyspro moons in monthly income. Not nearly enough to matter...
Looking at the list, I'd say about 65bn a month in total. Some of the BPO's are crap, others really profitable.
ofc its variable, but also its empire based, ie cannot be taken from you like dyspro moons
well, its how I make my isk anyway, and I like T2 BPO's 
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Tearavygh Quillam
Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.06.07 14:41:00 -
[793]
Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: Shadowsword Edited by: Shadowsword on 07/06/2009 14:25:20
Originally by: Butter Dog To be fair, all the half-decent T2 module BPO's turn a good 1bn ISK of profit a month each for very little effort.
Ships are bit 'meh' thanks to invention, but there is still very good and reliable ISK to be made from module and drone BPO's.
http://www.bandofbrothers.org.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=6221
All those bpos together might be almost equal to a pair of dyspro moons in monthly income. Not nearly enough to matter...
Looking at the list, I'd say about 65bn a month in total. Some of the BPO's are crap, others really profitable.
ofc its variable, but also its empire based, ie cannot be taken from you like dyspro moons
well, its how I make my isk anyway, and I like T2 BPO's 
Try to compare the benefit, it's quite different.
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Venomire
Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.06.07 14:50:00 -
[794]
Originally by: Butter Dog Looking at the list, I'd say about 65bn a month in total. Some of the BPO's are crap, others really profitable.
ofc its variable, but also its empire based, ie cannot be taken from you like dyspro moons
well, its how I make my isk anyway, and I like T2 BPO's 
T2 BPOs work fine for individuals, so good job owning an isk printer. They don't provide enough income for alliances with 0.0 aspirations.
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Jack Gates
Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.06.07 15:13:00 -
[795]
Originally by: Will Hunter someone please make himo stop posting
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Jack Gates
Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.06.07 15:16:00 -
[796]
Originally by: Butter Dog hurrrrrrrrrrrrrr
Good point. I'll keep that in mind.
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Butter Dog
Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.06.07 15:30:00 -
[797]
Originally by: Venomire
Originally by: Butter Dog Looking at the list, I'd say about 65bn a month in total. Some of the BPO's are crap, others really profitable.
ofc its variable, but also its empire based, ie cannot be taken from you like dyspro moons
well, its how I make my isk anyway, and I like T2 BPO's 
T2 BPOs work fine for individuals, so good job owning an isk printer. They don't provide enough income for alliances with 0.0 aspirations.
thats not true at all, lots of 0.0 alliance don't have significant R64 mining backbones
if you look at the NC, they own relatively few R64's, but make their ISK in other ways (historically at least, such as supercap production)
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Failing at everything he does in EvE since '05 |

Himo Amasacia
Minmatar Ultrapolite Socialites GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.06.07 15:41:00 -
[798]
Today, in a show of their VAST, VAST wealth, Kenny tore down some large towers in 49-u and replaced them with smalls, to save on fuel costs.
Pity about the T2 Industrial ships they lost while doing it. And the 70+ fleet that they had to mobilize to protect them against the 4 goons in local was impressive.
"Constant practice devoted to one subject often outdoes both intelligence and skill." -Cicero |

Tzujeih
Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.06.07 15:52:00 -
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I hate referring to those f****ts as any derivative of 'ken' because Ken is the most overpowered street fighter and they don't deserve such an honour. From this day forward I shall refer to them as Rufus.
So dis here thread has turned into Rufus neeneer neeneering about the one thing that cannot be taken away from them, the gifts bestowed upon them by CC.. that is, what I mean to say is, the gifts that keep on giving that they earned through the t2 lotteries that we can be sure were random, because CCP devs wrote the code. Well, congratulations on your accomplishment.  |

Jaboui
Amarr The R.I.T.U.A.L Corp Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2009.06.07 16:13:00 -
[800]
Originally by: Butter Dog
Looking at the list, I'd say about 65bn a month in total. Some of the BPO's are crap, others really profitable.
ofc its variable, but also its empire based, ie cannot be taken from you like dyspro moons
well, its how I make my isk anyway, and I like T2 BPO's 
I hate to bring this to peoples attention but in order to have effective capabilities in producing T2 stuff you need a few things. Towers for reactions and moon mining, moons to have towers at, and time to get the needed materials together. Though you could buy them but that eats into profits so this route wouldn't provide quite the 65 billion you suggested.
Right now BoBzoku are losing space, moons and towers. Meaning that in order for them to keep producing things they would have to buy the materials they may no longer have access to. That or resort to a stockpile (if any) and that would dry up soon. There is also the trouble of getting the good's to a market which would mean a good logistics chain. You may also want to factor into the equation the costs of fuel which will once again eat some of the profits.
Besides, the reactors, moon miners, and silos eat tower CPU/Power Grid that probably would be better used for defenses in the current state of things. So I just don't see where they are pulling the T2 materials from to keep production going. That may explain why the current cost of T2 ship's has gone up quite a bit recently.
Of course, most of this is old news to anyone who has been in a space holding alliance or tried moon mining. So sorry to bring this redundant information up. I'll go back to being a pet.   
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Butter Dog
Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.06.07 16:18:00 -
[801]
Originally by: Jaboui
Originally by: Butter Dog
Looking at the list, I'd say about 65bn a month in total. Some of the BPO's are crap, others really profitable.
ofc its variable, but also its empire based, ie cannot be taken from you like dyspro moons
well, its how I make my isk anyway, and I like T2 BPO's 
I hate to bring this to peoples attention but in order to have effective capabilities in producing T2 stuff you need a few things. Towers for reactions and moon mining, moons to have towers at, and time to get the needed materials together. Though you could buy them but that eats into profits so this route wouldn't provide quite the 65 billion you suggested.
Right now BoBzoku are losing space, moons and towers. Meaning that in order for them to keep producing things they would have to buy the materials they may no longer have access to. That or resort to a stockpile (if any) and that would dry up soon. There is also the trouble of getting the good's to a market which would mean a good logistics chain. You may also want to factor into the equation the costs of fuel which will once again eat some of the profits.
Besides, the reactors, moon miners, and silos eat tower CPU/Power Grid that probably would be better used for defenses in the current state of things. So I just don't see where they are pulling the T2 materials from to keep production going. That may explain why the current cost of T2 ship's has gone up quite a bit recently.
Of course, most of this is old news to anyone who has been in a space holding alliance or tried moon mining. So sorry to bring this redundant information up. I'll go back to being a pet.   
I am already talking about profit - ie, after production costs. You don't need any POS in 0.0 space to run T2 production. 65bn is probably quite a conservative estimate, by the way.
I don't know where people get the impression from that T2 BPO's are not profitable. Some of them are crap, but a lot of them are very nice indeed.
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Tearavygh Quillam
Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.06.07 16:26:00 -
[802]
Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: Jaboui
Originally by: Butter Dog
Looking at the list, I'd say about 65bn a month in total. Some of the BPO's are crap, others really profitable.
ofc its variable, but also its empire based, ie cannot be taken from you like dyspro moons
well, its how I make my isk anyway, and I like T2 BPO's 
I hate to bring this to peoples attention but in order to have effective capabilities in producing T2 stuff you need a few things. Towers for reactions and moon mining, moons to have towers at, and time to get the needed materials together. Though you could buy them but that eats into profits so this route wouldn't provide quite the 65 billion you suggested.
Right now BoBzoku are losing space, moons and towers. Meaning that in order for them to keep producing things they would have to buy the materials they may no longer have access to. That or resort to a stockpile (if any) and that would dry up soon. There is also the trouble of getting the good's to a market which would mean a good logistics chain. You may also want to factor into the equation the costs of fuel which will once again eat some of the profits.
Besides, the reactors, moon miners, and silos eat tower CPU/Power Grid that probably would be better used for defenses in the current state of things. So I just don't see where they are pulling the T2 materials from to keep production going. That may explain why the current cost of T2 ship's has gone up quite a bit recently.
Of course, most of this is old news to anyone who has been in a space holding alliance or tried moon mining. So sorry to bring this redundant information up. I'll go back to being a pet.   
I am already talking about profit - ie, after production costs. You don't need any POS in 0.0 space to run T2 production. 65bn is probably quite a conservative estimate, by the way.
I don't know where people get the impression from that T2 BPO's are not profitable. Some of them are crap, but a lot of them are very nice indeed.
Any numbers deducted from the RKZ t2 bpos stock, then compared to a single dyspro moon income? Feel free to share the exact figures, formulas, time to market, inflation won't hurt either. |

Will Hunter
Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.06.07 16:36:00 -
[803]
hey butterdog Kenny had to pull down 31 towers from p4 to try to the h74 offensive, they may be ****ting money like you say, but sure as hell they are not displaying that wealth.
so you argument is null. stfu
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The Mittani
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.06.07 16:42:00 -
[804]
Originally by: 6/7
Alright, that's quite enough channeling ~dbp simply for vengeance's sake.
Since H74 fell, the greatest resistance we have faced has come from either Triumvirate (who sent a RR BS gang of 40ish down to Delve yesterday) or our own titans (who fired off five doomsdays on said TRI gang) who are so fiendishly bored that they have begun actively discussing new and amusing ways to vaporize blues.
Several pet alliances have either failure cascaded (Skunk-Works) or begun taking down their towers willingly and announcing that they are fleeing the war for good (Frontal Impact). Some Skunk-Works corps and some Frontal Impact corps will be joining EXE, but this is mostly a canard being spread among the GKC in order to make themselves feel better. It's true, some corps will join EXE, but so far the vast bulk of the fleeing S-W corps have joined Aggression. Will Frontal Impact actually flee to wormspace? We'll see. We've been letting them take their towers down and evac, though.
Outside of the Last Bastion of 49-, the fields of RKZ are burning. We blew up their towers in NU4 and 4-2 today in the 8:00 eve - onward timeslot. RKZ has now chosen a few key systems where they have invested spam towers, and it is an entirely defensive configuration. They're trying to solidify jump-bridge systems to link 1-SMEB to 3BK and 49, rather than spamming to break our own links.
Obviously, our highest strategic priority (with the capture of 5V and the defense of H74) is now to snap those defensive links which RKZ has thrown up. We want them isolated and unable to move. I'll be updating the Spam Tracking spreadsheet shortly; it's changed rapidly in the last two days because of the mass un-towering and rearranging that took place.
Yesterday we were pretty informal. Towers got popped, DBRB took people out on a slosh op into -A- territory and whacked a freighter. Today we need to do a lot more siegework, and Imperian has a fleet up right now working on that. Our pos jpg is getting pretty short, so we need to make it grow again.
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Butter Dog
Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.06.07 16:45:00 -
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Originally by: Will Hunter hey butterdog Kenny had to pull down 31 towers from p4 to try to the h74 offensive, they may be ****ting money like you say, but sure as hell they are not displaying that wealth.
so you argument is null. stfu
Do you even know what my arguement is?
I'll summarise it: T2 BPO's are profitable, and the half-decent ones are actually pretty nice
That was the point I was making, or the 'argument' as you put it. And it is factually correct, its laughable to claim otherwise just because you want to imagine that kenny is impoverished.
How kenny manages their ISK, what they spend it on, etc, is a different subject altogether however
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AKA 'Bitter Dog'
Failing at everything he does in EvE since '05 |

Zastrow J
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Posted - 2009.06.07 16:46:00 -
[806]
Goonfleet is more than willing to sell dysprosium and promethium to any T2 producer at the going Jita rate.
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Antir
Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.06.07 17:01:00 -
[807]
Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam
Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: Jaboui
Originally by: Butter Dog
Looking at the list, I'd say about 65bn a month in total. Some of the BPO's are crap, others really profitable.
ofc its variable, but also its empire based, ie cannot be taken from you like dyspro moons
well, its how I make my isk anyway, and I like T2 BPO's 
I hate to bring this to peoples attention but in order to have effective capabilities in producing T2 stuff you need a few things. Towers for reactions and moon mining, moons to have towers at, and time to get the needed materials together. Though you could buy them but that eats into profits so this route wouldn't provide quite the 65 billion you suggested.
Right now BoBzoku are losing space, moons and towers. Meaning that in order for them to keep producing things they would have to buy the materials they may no longer have access to. That or resort to a stockpile (if any) and that would dry up soon. There is also the trouble of getting the good's to a market which would mean a good logistics chain. You may also want to factor into the equation the costs of fuel which will once again eat some of the profits.
Besides, the reactors, moon miners, and silos eat tower CPU/Power Grid that probably would be better used for defenses in the current state of things. So I just don't see where they are pulling the T2 materials from to keep production going. That may explain why the current cost of T2 ship's has gone up quite a bit recently.
Of course, most of this is old news to anyone who has been in a space holding alliance or tried moon mining. So sorry to bring this redundant information up. I'll go back to being a pet.   
I am already talking about profit - ie, after production costs. You don't need any POS in 0.0 space to run T2 production. 65bn is probably quite a conservative estimate, by the way.
I don't know where people get the impression from that T2 BPO's are not profitable. Some of them are crap, but a lot of them are very nice indeed.
Any numbers deducted from the RKZ t2 bpos stock, then compared to a single dyspro moon income? Feel free to share the exact figures, formulas, time to market, inflation won't hurt either.
I was going to ask this but figured since butter is only trolling he'd never answer. On that note stop getting trolled you idiots.
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Soldis
Minmatar Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2009.06.07 17:03:00 -
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Originally by: Will Hunter hey butterdog Kenny had to pull down 31 towers from p4 to try to the h74 offensive, they may be ****ting money like you say, but sure as hell they are not displaying that wealth.
so you argument is null. stfu
Actually, believing in Kenzoku is like believing in God. Just like God does everything to show that he doesn't exist in any verifiable means, but expects you do believe in him on faith alone, Kenzoku too does everything to show they don't have much wealth, and expect you to believe in their wealth and cunning on faith alone.
Butter Dog understands this, and that is why he will saved on judgement day.
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr Guiding Hand Social Club Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2009.06.07 17:08:00 -
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Edited by: Tyrrax Thorrk on 07/06/2009 17:12:43
Thing is T2 bpos tend to belong to individuals, not corps or alliances, iirc only Evolution is actually communist in KenZoku, i'm sure some BPOs have been donated to corps over the years, and a lot of the production would be handled by the corp for the owners (sharing in the profits but not getting anywhere near all of it)
so income isn't going to be anything amazing for the corps themselves, then there's the added factor of not all corps in BoB having equal income, so i'd be curious to see how they handle alliance level expenditures these days, who pays how much etc |

Tearavygh Quillam
Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.06.07 17:15:00 -
[810]
Originally by: Antir
Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam
Any numbers deducted from the RKZ t2 bpos stock, then compared to a single dyspro moon income? Feel free to share the exact figures, formulas, time to market, inflation won't hurt either.
I was going to ask this but figured since butter is only trolling he'd never answer. On that note stop getting trolled you idiots.
I live in France. France is a tough country to practice English. Butter Nog is at least good for that. |
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