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Herzog Wolfhammer
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Posted - 2009.06.25 18:18:00 -
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Originally by: Lokia Enroch What I don't understand, is that looking at the killmails, even decently tanked hulks seem to die. I look at EFT and see 11k effective HP and a 76 dps tank for my hulk. I wonder if that would last long enough. Although I fit two Small extenders a Invun and a Booster. I've had a raven try to suicide me (didn't get on KM though :( ) How much more DPS does 5 destroyers do?
I was carefully told once that destroyers WOULD pump out as much DPS as a cruiser were it not for the speed loss in the turrets inherent in destroyers.
What is yet to be understood on my part is, if this speed loss comes before enhanced speed from skill training, or after a total summation of speed from skills (and implants if applicable) that being Sum of all minus the destroyer penalty. It it's not the case, could it then be possible to "skill out" the destroyer pentalty and do as much damage as a cruiser.
Hulk ganking is not my goal but using a destroyer for something it takes a cruiser to do is a good cheap way to run missions thanks to the low overhead of destroyers being cheaper, and time is saved as well when the destroyer is faster for salvaging.
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Hans Gribbens
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Posted - 2009.06.26 03:52:00 -
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theres plenty of hulks in mastakomon, and surrounding areas like uchoshi and vouskiaho
its a can flippers paradise |
Tauranon
Gallente Wandering Provocateurs Communitas
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Posted - 2009.06.26 07:31:00 -
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Originally by: Lokia Enroch What I don't understand, is that looking at the killmails, even decently tanked hulks seem to die. I look at EFT and see 11k effective HP and a 76 dps tank for my hulk. I wonder if that would last long enough. Although I fit two Small extenders a Invun and a Booster. I've had a raven try to suicide me (didn't get on KM though :( ) How much more DPS does 5 destroyers do?
The best tank for avoiding a suicide is to be mining at 75m/s = go into warp insta, and be alert. If you think about how you do this (BMs to be aligned to etc) its not that big a hurdle for productivity - esp for those that are cargo expanded out-and-back mining anyway. The suicide modus is someone warps to belt, gets BM for hulk, everyone lands at the hulk in optimal and opens up. A hulk has no chance of getting to warp if stationary. They wouldn't even have to scram.
You can arrange it so you get a 200 second window on individual roids = enough time to cycle on them, and belts are kinda designed for this, thats why they ain't circular.
If you must sit still, then invul II, 2x passive resists IIs (therm/em), and a dcu II (hulk has a lot of hull hps), will get you out to 16k effective to any type of damage dealt against you, and you can rig and use a fitting mod, and drop the rock scanner for an extender if you want go for max survivability ie 20k+ effective, but I'd imagine a 4th cruiser or a 6th destroyer will still sink you.
The booster won't cycle enough times ever to warrant fitting against suicides. Boosters are for tanking rats.
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Midou Lii
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Posted - 2009.06.27 05:45:00 -
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New tactic they use. PM after the kill
"sumon haz a hit on j00, pay uz 250m in a buyoot"
cause apparently putting a 100m isk per kill on a Hulk alt pilot in a NPC corp is something someone with a vendetta would do..right.
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Nisstyree
Chimera Raiders MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2009.06.27 17:05:00 -
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Originally by: Midou Lii New tactic they use. PM after the kill
"sumon haz a hit on j00, pay uz 250m in a buyoot"
cause apparently putting a 100m isk per kill on a Hulk alt pilot in a NPC corp is something someone with a vendetta would do..right.
If you're not confortable talking about it, show me on the picture where the bad pirate touched your Hulk. |
Midou Li
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Posted - 2009.06.28 23:31:00 -
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Originally by: Nisstyree
Originally by: Midou Lii New tactic they use. PM after the kill
"sumon haz a hit on j00, pay uz 250m in a buyoot"
cause apparently putting a 100m isk per kill on a Hulk alt pilot in a NPC corp is something someone with a vendetta would do..right.
If you're not confortable talking about it, show me on the picture where the bad pirate touched your Hulk.
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Zuhlaetah
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Posted - 2009.06.29 14:42:00 -
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1. Warp to belt. 2. Shoot yourself with an alt so that concord warps in to the belt. 3. Mine merrily. 4. ????? 5.Profit
1. Buy, Insure, and fly a covetor. 2. Warp to belt 3. Mine merrily 4. ????? 5. Profit.
1. Move to another region. 2. Warp to belt. 3. Mine merrily. 4. ?????? 5. Profit.
1. Jump in Hulk. 2. Warp to belt. 3. Mine merrily. 4. ??????? (get suicide ganked) 5. -Profit + Carebear Tears
3 out of 4 "solutions" involve cheating the system (ie arbitrarily summon Concord) or not being able to use a ship someone felt like it was a good tool (and it is) for the job.
I suppose the next step is to ban hulks off the game completely?
LMAO at CCP making expensive T2 ships with frigate EHP, in a game where people will gank you just because it's fun and because insurance pays back almost 100% anyway.
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Piracy has never been an honorable profession, it's not about taking someone on that can fight back, it's about going for the easy kill. That's why it's called piracy
Pirates do their job to earn a nice income, suiciding hulks yields less than proper suicide ganking at gates or camping in low sec. Those who kill for a lesser income have a name, but it's not "pirate".
Quote: That in my opinion, is your best bet. Right now you're wasting so much time fighting the pirates and not mining that it's not profitable anymore (and the more you fight said pirates, the happier you make them, they love combat pvp after all). Forget mercenaries, find a good 0.0 industrial alliance, you'll have a lot more fun there.
When L4 missioneers will have to move to 0.0 sec or die, then it'll be the day it's fair to call miners for it.
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in hisec suicide ganking is the only risk you have and it would suck if ccp made them 'safe zones'
Not to ruin your parade but high sec is labelled high sec because it's supposed to be high sec.
The whole delicate mechanism worked till today because suiciding involved people doing it for a proper ISK reward (ie Uedama and related), because ships to do that were not free like these days (thanks to insurance vs mineral conjuncture) and thanks to the fact there were not people globally teaching how to exploit game flaws not to lose sec status. You break this mechanism and CCP will find another harsh "cure" like when they made freigthers though nuggets.
I hope you'll love how to have fun today you'll be unable to kill blatant china farmers under your eyes tomorrow after a buff.
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One hulk makes 10 M ISK from mining veldspar per hour.
So, that's 230 M ISK a day.
4x Hulks and 2x IttyV makes 27.6 B ISK on 30 day month
Too bad those getting killed are quite human and have maybe 2 hours a day to waste on such boring activity. With 20M a day it is quite different to recover off a ship loss.
Quote: TBH to me anyone that puts up a fight, deserves some respect, but if someone like you say puts up a FIGHT its not Delilah, and all u have to do is to fly around shar and see for yourself, yes some of them DO put up a fight with their blobs of justice (LOL)
Is this the same one killing undefended miners whining at how others unfairly blob them with their own food?
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Yonneh
Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2009.06.29 15:48:00 -
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I lol'd |
Mu'n Hurricane
Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2009.06.29 16:34:00 -
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If there would be a single way to lolpwngank or annoy high-sec dwellers - people will use it to have some fun and profits. And no single carebear would feel "happy" and would stop whine, till every and single one of risks is removed. (Note: high-sec is not = "my mining boats are immortal while I read book\watch TV and afk-suck roids"). If all risks would be removed - making above mentioned species (~bears) happy - that would be the start of the 'wow-nization' of eve, as well as the start of some **** problems in eve-economy.
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goon fuget
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Posted - 2009.06.29 22:45:00 -
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I would love a Hulk sandwich with some badger sauce pls add a side iteron 5 for desert
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spongebobbb
Amarr under the sea
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Posted - 2009.06.30 12:14:00 -
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why 5 thoraxes, 5-6 thrashers can do it in a 0.5 or 0.6
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Lady Spank
Amarr Sekret Kool Klubb
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Posted - 2009.07.02 19:46:00 -
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why not?
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