We also wanted to update the Tracking Disruptors to affect missiles too, but the version we implemented was too limited (it only worked if you were flying certain ships and/or the enemy was using certain missiles). We havenGÇÖt found a good universal solution yet, so weGÇÖll have to wait on this one.

Tracking disrupters (the module) can't work on missiles. Missiles have no tracking variable.

I don't know CCPs plan in the area of modules to negatively effect missiles, though I personally would leave them alone, an AB does that just fine.

Tracking disrupters (the module) can't work on missiles. Missiles have no tracking variable.

I don't know CCPs plan in the area of modules to negatively effect missiles, though I personally would leave them alone, an AB does that just fine.

It's on test server now. A T2 Tracking disruptor effects tracking by -20.1%
It now also increases Explosion Radius by 20.1% so if your explosion radius was 220 it will be 264 with a TD on you.

Why explosion Radius matters.

But there is already a module that reduces damage from missiles. it's called an afterburner.

CCP, missiles don't need any more counters.

Tracking disrupters (the module) can't work on missiles. Missiles have no tracking variable.

I don't know CCPs plan in the area of modules to negatively effect missiles, though I personally would leave them alone, an AB does that just fine.

Well thats just stupid. It should be a different module, or they should change the name to weapon disruption or something (ugh...).

But there is already a module that reduces damage from missiles. it's called an afterburner.

CCP, missiles don't need any more counters.

Not a nerf to missiles rather a buff to TD's... Byproduct.

Ive come to the conclusion that the people that post on the general discussion need other things to worry about in their lives

You want to know what is really scary? I can fit a pilgrim with scripted dual fit T2 tracking disrupters that have - 51% tracking. So your 650 explosion rad Torp will have an explosion radius of just over 1300. The only thing it will be able to hit are capitals. It might manage 2 digit damage against my pilgrim. It's in effect missile ECM.

- Granted it really screws up guns too.

Skill and bonus from ships do not affect the amount of explosion radius bonus from TD. It is always 20%,at least last time it was on SISI

Ive come to the conclusion that the people that post on the general discussion need other things to worry about in their lives

Ill let you in on a secret.

Tracking Distruptors are the name of the game in missile defense in real life. Anything that prevents the missile from tracking you is your (being the target most of the time) is the ultimate goal in defense. Intercpetion is secondary methood.

Then again with most missiles a near miss is still leathal and mission kill capable with those shedder rods.

^this...

But there is already a module that reduces damage from missiles. it's called an afterburner.

Well thats just stupid. It should be a different module, or they should change the name to weapon disruption or something (ugh...).

But there is already a module that reduces damage from missiles. it's called an afterburner.

CCP, missiles don't need any more counters.

This change is badly needed.

I've lost count how many times I've been in a fight where a Raven was sitting 100KM away, firing cruise missiles at me totally destroying my tank, even though it can't web me at that range.

The same goes for light missiles. The Kestrel is overused in PvP due to it's massive missile offence.

Don't even get me started on torps. I've lost so many of my ships to torp Ravens that this counter would help stop.

Missiles are over-powered and need more nerfs.

Ive come to the conclusion that the people that post on the general discussion need other things to worry about in their lives

Ill let you in on a secret.

Tracking Distruptors are the name of the game in missile defense in real life. Anything that prevents the missile from tracking you is your (being the target most of the time) is the ultimate goal in defense. Intercpetion is secondary methood.

Then again with most missiles a near miss is still leathal and mission kill capable with those shedder rods.

If proximity to the target not a direct hit was sufficient then explosion radius wouldn't matter.

While we're at it, can tracking disruptors disrupt drones also? Those nasty ishtars give my disruptor zealot a headache...

Erm... whar? Explosion Radius is a mechanic to simulate missiles doing reduced damage if they do not do a direct hit.

So if Explosion radius is taken ito account on every missile shot then you negate the argument that missiles always hit their target, they infact miss everytime, the smaller the signature and the greater the speed of the target the greater the miss.

Everything but F.o.F. has a guidance system.

Everything but F.o.F. has a guidance system.

I've been told that missles are low but reliable DPS. Now minus reliable, all thats left is low DPS. So better give up on the whole Caldari missile path and start from scratch with some different race that can do PVP in the end?

Rules changing into the opposite on a monthly base really doesn't help getting started with this game.

I've been told that missiles are low but reliable DPS. Now minus reliable, all thats left is low DPS.

I can't help but agree. Obviously you could fit TE/TC (If they will indeed help) but thats at the expense of shield tank or BCU's which really gimps a fit.

Ive come to the conclusion that the people that post on the general discussion need other things to worry about in their lives

Laser boats could fit TE/TC but that's at the expense of armor tank or limited mid slots which really gimps a fit.

I can't help but agree. Obviously you could fit TE/TC (If they will indeed help) but thats at the expense of shield tank or BCU's which really gimps a fit.

Amarr?
All my fits are projectile. We gave up on flash light lasers a long time ago.

Welcome to winmatar online.

I think I just spotted someone who doesn't know how optimal range works and prefers "reliable damage".

Laser boats could fit TE/TC but that's at the expense of armor tank or limited mid slots which really gimps a fit.

Nice troll bait. I know full well how Optimals work and I know how blobbing works too. I also know how base damage works and I know how EVE PvP works too. All the crap about diversity goes out the window when 15 guys are locking you for alpha primary damage and Logistics can't predict next primary fast enough to matter. So you fight fire with fire and just kill stuff as fast as possible and the bigger show of brute force.

Welcome to Winmatar Online.

Laser boats could fit a TC/TE at the expense of another mod and have it help their weapon performance. Missile boats can't, regardless of what they sacrifice to fit it. Both can use webs/TP's but only turrets can stack the affects of both types of mods.

Defence missile webifier field that reduces incoming missile speed and explosion radius.

It would be like a smartbomb except always on.

Missiles should be treated differently than turrets, not the same.

Those 600 DPS Hurricanes sure do the same damage that 600 DPS Harbingers do at 20 km. Yep. Or, wait... you're talking about alpha now? Are you fitting arty on Harbingers, Zealots? Apocs? Abaddons? Wait no, you're talking about blobbing, where it doesn't matter what guns anyone has, just that they are all mindlessly mashing F1.

Fitting Minmatar weapons on anything and everything reeks of "I want the biggest DPS and tank numbers in EFT because more DPS and more tank means better fit." Quit posting before you make more of a fool of yourself.

I can get a 130K tanked Arti baddon to 35km Optimals with damage ammo and better tracking than any laser fit Baddon

a Pulse Baddon will be lucky ig it can get 20km Optimals

There are no "auto-win" weapon systems. Pick one you like, then learn to use it right. "Reliable damage" is weasel words for "easy mode". I'm sorry you have to actually HTFU and learn to fly a ship for real.

Well, I survived usenet and HoN. The question remains if the path I'm on leads anywhere or nowhere.

It's actually around 5-10 frigates that aren't even mostly Rifters, or mostly autocannons, but that's besides the point.

I would like to point out a few things:




Try this. 198k EHP pulse Abaddon with 48 km optimal and 3x the tracking of arty on the same hull. Without any range mods, pulse apoc reaches to 62 km optimal and does far more DPS than any arty or autocannon battleship could hope to do at that range.

Raw alpha is indeed one way to play the game, but certainly not the only way, and is only really effective in a limited set of situations. This is why arty Maelstrom is now far more popular than arty Abaddon ever was: it's not a brick and can maneuver to find said situations much better.

That is also why Minmatar, plus Drake, are good for blobbing: more flexible engagement range means you can do little damage at more ranges. 300 Maelstroms all doing 1/10 of their damage in alpha is still enough to instantly kill a battleship every 20 seconds, and requires as much effort as just pushing F1. In the meantime, 300 pulse Abaddons can alpha a battleship every 5 seconds, but they require more competent pilots and a stricter engagement envelope. Because of this they are unpopular. Not because Maelstroms or artillery are "better".

"Winmatar" as you call it is only popular because idiotic blob "PvPers" can't be bothered to learn any real PvP tactics beyond targeting something and pushing F1.

Also, I wouldn't go judging by corporation if I were you, especially since you don't even have the testicular fortitude to post with your main.

- Your 48km Optimal? That's fall off. Optimal on that boat is 16km. EFT fit much?

- Speed Tank and trimark tanks work against each other. 250 m/s with the AB. Not enough to catch an AB Mini.

- You have a 2 minute capacitor, then your guns are shutting down. Winmatar? They have that problem. Winmatar on an Abaddon? I have 4 free med slots.

Everything you fit, I can fit better with arti. Less powergrid, less CPU, No cap and it's designed for range. A Pulse is not.
One exception, the Oracle.

chasing rainbows

Laser boats could fit TE/TC but that's at the expense of armor tank or limited mid slots which really gimps a fit.

Another bad call on your part.

- This is my main. One of 4. I left null a year ago. I have no intention of going back.
- Your 48km Optimal? That's fall off. Optimal on that boat is 16km. EFT fit much? By your definition of "optimal" Arti Baddon hits out to 80km.
- Speed Tank and trimark tanks work against each other. 250 m/s with the AB. Not enough to catch an AB Mini.
- You have a 2 minute capacitor, then your guns are shutting down. Winmatar? They have that problem. Winmatar on an Abaddon? I have 4 free med slots.

Everything you fit, I can fit better with arti. Less powergrid, less CPU, No cap and it's designed for range. A Pulse is not.
One exception, the Oracle.

Haven't seen any conversation about this in this thread https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=108938&p=17 , though to be fair I didn't ask the question until page 16, so it may be lost in the shuffle at this point.... I hope there is a counter to the module, if in fact it makes it in-game.

Ill let you in on a secret.

Tracking Distruptors are the name of the game in missile defense in real life. Anything that prevents the missile from tracking you is your (being the target most of the time) is the ultimate goal in defense. Intercpetion is secondary methood.

Then again with most missiles a near miss is still leathal and mission kill capable with those shedder rods.

Also in real-life missiles are crazy expensive, unlike in EVE where they are in some cases even cheaper then bullets. That's a good thing because, unlike in real-life, they are hardly a 'one-hit' kill.

Just retorting those who say tracking disruptors on missiles make no sense from any variety of ficitonal point of few