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Dr Silkworth	Posted - 2009.06.15 23:19:00 - [121] Edited by: Dr Silkworth on 15/06/2009 23:23:14 Macros could be a nice niche for the PVPer that has enough conscience to not want to be indiscriminate in their targets. It seems CCP doesn't want indiscriminate hulk ganking but we got the nod in this thread to gank the macroers. Perhaps we just take the mods advice and all the petitioners laments and put them together. When I put it together, it says target but like in real life, if you want to be a vigilante the cops are going to frown on it. If it really bothers you, make an ncp gank alt and join in on the fun and maybe feel good about yourself for doing a public service. Don't wait for CCP to do everything for you. These macroers don't bother me, I even say hello when I pass them :) Of course they don't answer back but I get a chuckle just the same. These advanced ratting macros are new to me, I just see a couple of veldspar guys and have mined amongst the ice guys. The veldspar guys can't keep up with me with a a hauler and the ice guys don't bother me at all cause of the infinite supply. Ain't no money in it though even with the recent price run up. These have to be bored POS owners. Someday I'll meet the real toon and might even do business. I have a bit of a Bi%^&ch though. I had to mine veld in my Mack for a while after I lost a Hulk. Losing it was my fault for answering the phone and going afk. Tha wasn't my problenm. Suddenly everyone thought I was a bot just cause I was riding in a Mack. It was almost like racism or something. Yeah I leave my miner alt auto chat off but its my client. I pay for it and I'll manage my personal settings how I please. I also use that alt for dual box support for missions and don't need interruptions. In fact when I'm dual boxing i should really shut both of them off. Really wish anybody that has the Mack prejudice and auto-chat prejudice not let that be their final criteria for bot activity. Not answering the phone is not a crime , despite what my EX GF and my boss says and neither is flying a Mack. :) Just leave me alone to fly innernet spacships and kill red crosses and rocks please.
IVeige	Posted - 2009.06.16 03:50:00 - [122] How hard is it to allow players to war dec npc corps ? Not talking about really new npc corp use for new players... But the others ones, you know where all macro miners/bots end up. Can any CCP guys tell us why it hasnt been done yet ? Whats the reasons ?
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2009.06.16 06:15:00 - [123] Originally by: IVeige How hard is it to allow players to war dec npc corps ? Not talking about really new npc corp use for new players... But the others ones, you know where all macro miners/bots end up. Can any CCP guys tell us why it hasnt been done yet ? Whats the reasons ? 1) Because it would be used to attack the new players. 2) Because other players have the right to minimize risk and refuse wardecs retreating to NPC corps.
RedLion Caldari State Constructions	Posted - 2009.06.16 08:05:00 - [124] a bad skilled player can use more than 30 mins to fill a hulk. besides i often rejects any convos if i'm busy - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - The Gallenteans must be destroyed - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Demos Mast Gallente Paradigm Council	Posted - 2009.06.16 08:13:00 - [125] I personally think you SHOULD use macros/bots. I just got done killing around 30 botting haulers with some corpmates. Was great fun. By all means provide more easy targets :D
Garia666 Amarr T.H.U.G L.I.F.E White Core	Posted - 2009.06.16 09:13:00 - [126] Originally by: Belmarduk Originally by: CCP Zymurgist If you truly believe you have found a player who is a macro player you are completely welcome to submit a petition including the persons name, where you saw them, and at what time. If you feel this is not enough there are several in game mechanics that can be employed to make yourself feel better about the situation. Pew Pew! Sorry.. but *****s ! As great as Eve is and as well I personally think CCP is running this game I am NOT satisfied how CCP deals with the Macro Situation... A petition about macros is futile - I have petitioned often enough and have given up because nothing is done anyway..... It took nearly a YEAR for a group of verified macrominers to be banned with numerous people petitioning them... It is no longer possible (or very difficult to) take care of the problem in highsec since the gank-nerf 2008... In 2006 CCP thought with removing ice-belts from 0,7+ would solve the problem - ***s CCP do something about the macros and RMT before this game goes the way Ultima Online did....** Greetings Belmarduk You have any proof of that? As you can read in a previous post i will reward 100mill to the first guy proofing that even 1 macro ratter was banned.. cause i have never ever seen a post or successfull ban. And 1 bill to a GM or DEV giving me this proof.. it can be done descretely aswell..
PJRiddick	Posted - 2009.06.16 12:38:00 - [127] ya know that would work,...and see if they yell about it too,... -=+>xXx<+=- OH and by the way Loved th e"fluffy bunny comment a while back,...funny as all get out.. Originally by: Cygg Macro Miners are easy to spot. Most miners will warp in and start mining and stay in the general area until full. Macros on the other hand Warp in at the end of the belt and start moving up and down while following the belt. Easy fix for it is to allow pilots to jam the miners without getting Concord ****ed. Just allow the use of jammers in High-Sec without Concord coming in. Not like we are hurting them, just not allowing them to target a rock is all.
PJRiddick	Posted - 2009.06.16 12:49:00 - [128] You want proof,..haha thisone is easy.,..... all you got to do is get into a fast ship an dwait till they com eout of th estation,....bump them as the align to the field and keep them bumped till the macro goes out of sync,....it takes some doing bu tit is possable,...the macro will sit at the station just bumping around,...i did one about two weeks ago,...it styed at the station for about,......ummmm three or four days just bumping around till the owner come along and reset it,...funny as allget out,... I bet he was **ed. -=+>xXx<+=- Originally by:** Garia666 Originally by: Belmarduk Originally by: CCP Zymurgist If you truly believe you have found a player who is a macro player you are completely welcome to submit a petition including the persons name, where you saw them, and at what time. If you feel this is not enough there are several in game mechanics that can be employed to make yourself feel better about the situation. Pew Pew! Sorry.. but *****s ! As great as Eve is and as well I personally think CCP is running this game I am NOT satisfied how CCP deals with the Macro Situation... A petition about macros is futile - I have petitioned often enough and have given up because nothing is done anyway..... It took nearly a YEAR for a group of verified macrominers to be banned with numerous people petitioning them... It is no longer possible (or very difficult to) take care of the problem in highsec since the gank-nerf 2008... In 2006 CCP thought with removing ice-belts from 0,7+ would solve the problem - ***s CCP do something about the macros and RMT before this game goes the way Ultima Online did....** Greetings Belmarduk You have any proof of that? As you can read in a previous post i will reward 100mill to the first guy proofing that even 1 macro ratter was banned.. cause i have never ever seen a post or successfull ban. And 1 bill to a GM or DEV giving me this proof.. it can be done descretely aswell..
Carniflex Caldari Fallout Research Fallout Project	Posted - 2009.06.16 14:18:00 - [129] Originally by: RedSplat Originally by: Tzar'rim Leaving a corp is an exploit? Are you sure on that, do you have factual proof (I'm honestly interested, not being sarcastic). AFAIK some DEV stated a while ago that leaving a corp for whatever reason is a valid tactic. Continuous 'Corp Hopping' to avoid wardecs is classed as an exploit. If I remember correct it's only exploit if you close down the previous corp. By the same token stalking one specific player with wardec could be considered harassment. Not saying it's right or wrong. It's just that as soon as you put any rigid rules in place people find ways around em. It's best to leave it at 'marcos get you banned' and let GM's deal with it on case by case basis. It's a lot harder to outsmart a real person than rules.
brahiem Flying While Intoxicated EvE Consortium	Posted - 2009.06.16 15:16:00 - [130] Quote: all you got to do is get into a fast ship an dwait till they com eout of th estation,....bump them as the align to the field and keep them bumped till the macro goes out of sync,....it takes some doing bu tit is possable,...the macro will sit at the station just bumping around,...i did one about two weeks ago,...it styed at the station for about,......ummmm three or four days just bumping around till the owner come along and reset it,...funny as allget out,... I bet he was ****ed. borderline harrasment
cOrOlaTE	Posted - 2009.06.16 15:17:00 - [131] People who use macros will always exist, always have done, always will do.
Belmarduk Amarr Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2009.06.16 17:26:00 - [132] Originally by: cOrOlaTE People who use macros will always exist, always have done, always will do. and because of that we just lay our hands into our laps and do nothing against it?
RedSplat Heretic Army	Posted - 2009.06.16 20:43:00 - [133] Originally by: brahiem Quote: all you got to do is get into a fast ship an dwait till they com eout of th estation,....bump them as the align to the field and keep them bumped till the macro goes out of sync,....it takes some doing bu tit is possable,...the macro will sit at the station just bumping around,...i did one about two weeks ago,...it styed at the station for about,......ummmm three or four days just bumping around till the owner come along and reset it,...funny as allget out,... I bet he was **ed. borderline harrasment Fine line, but bumping people isnt harrasment when it has certain purposes. Macro bowling isnt petitionable. Doing such as a Merc. contract is not an issue. Have a chat with Noir if you have a mind. Originally by:** CCP Mitnal I don't sleep. I am always here. Watching. Waiting. Originally by: CCP Mitnal it does get progressively longer.
brahiem Flying While Intoxicated EvE Consortium	Posted - 2009.06.16 21:40:00 - [134] Originally by: RedSplat Originally by: brahiem Quote: all you got to do is get into a fast ship an dwait till they com eout of th estation,....bump them as the align to the field and keep them bumped till the macro goes out of sync,....it takes some doing bu tit is possable,...the macro will sit at the station just bumping around,...i did one about two weeks ago,...it styed at the station for about,......ummmm three or four days just bumping around till the owner come along and reset it,...funny as allget out,... I bet he was ****ed. borderline harrasment Fine line, but bumping people isnt harrasment when it has certain purposes. Macro bowling isnt petitionable. Doing such as a Merc. contract is not an issue. Have a chat with Noir if you have a mind. bumping may not be harassment, but bumping a single person for the sole purpose of disrupting their activities? Not to prevent a warp so you can get a kill, but to prevent a warp for no reason whatsoever
PJRiddick	Posted - 2009.06.17 12:06:00 - [135] i was wondering, adn i would like to have everyones input on this one. If you do run a macro and if you are sitting there at the keys monitoring the macro,...is that stil lconsidered an exploit? Heres the skinny, I was looking for a hauler macro,...that would make things easier for me, im alwahs watching TV while mining and on my second machine i run my hauler back and forth to the station to take the ore back and dump it. Would it be still considered an exploit if i used a macro to run the hauler whil i was there monitoring its activities so i could spend more time with the miner, OH and watching TV,..Star Trek of course! hehe -=+>xXx<+=-
Sky Marshal IMpAct Corp Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2009.06.17 13:08:00 - [136] Well, how can CCP know if you are behind your computer ? Only macros who require human interaction are accepted by CCP (ie : F1-F2-F3-... on one key, etc...). _______ Local is fine, period.
Slave 2739FKZ	Posted - 2009.06.17 13:56:00 - [137] This is what you do to fix macro problem: - make the game hard, seriouslly it's stupid how easy is to use bots for some stuff. - nerf NPC corps: after some weeks every single player will be moved to "old NPC corps" (the oen you end when you quit an human corp), these corps can be wardecced. Then we can really fix the problem without suicideganking. - stop ignoring petitions.
Sky Marshal IMpAct Corp Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2009.06.17 15:09:00 - [138] 1) So make the game more harder to use to players too. Yeah great idea... 2) Yeah so instead, we will have nine thousands of 1-Man Corp ? You seriously think than someone will stay in this "old npc corp" and that they won't have like 30 or 40 wardecs ? A 1-Man Corp and a channel to reproduce SAK (or others) old corp channel, problem solved (for the concerned player, not for you ). 3) Stop thinking that anyone who is petitionned is guilty. _______ Local is fine, period.
PJRiddick	Posted - 2009.06.17 18:14:00 - [139] GMs or CCP,...will you please weigh in on this one,....If you say that running a macro is ok as long as i am monitoring it and on line,..then im gonna set one up to mine, not for the miner but for the hauler,...i often forget about it and leave it in station, Ya know i just might do it anyway,.....Just remember that im always there, close by to see whats going on. -=+>xXx<+=- Im going mining! Later all

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