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SPACE L0RD Gallente	Posted - 2009.06.13 17:33:00 - [1] Edited by: SPACE L0RD on 13/06/2009 17:35:43 Come'on guys. Fix the ridiculous resists or give it a couple of more lows and 80 more cpu. It's already an endangered species in most every gang I've been in in the past year. This ship is not the peer of the other races top-tier BS. Why?
Grarr Dexx Amarr Corp 1 Allstars	Posted - 2009.06.13 18:00:00 - [2] Hyperion is fine. Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist
SPACE L0RD Gallente	Posted - 2009.06.13 18:02:00 - [3] Hyperion is not fine. See I can do that too.
Bevil Smyth Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.06.13 18:25:00 - [4] The Hyperion does seem a bit flacid compared to its other tier 3 counterparts, although i think that may be down more to a lack of niche that it fits into when compared to its stablemates. i mean it simply doesnt offer enough over a mega (or infact anything over a mega really) to justify the large price tag. and what it does try to do the abaddon can do better so why not fly that if you want to pay the isk? ============================ 2003 and still alive!
Max Tux	Posted - 2009.06.13 18:38:00 - [5] i think this is because in most fights EHP is better than repping, so the mega will win in a gang fight
Hirana Yoshida Behavioral Affront	Posted - 2009.06.13 20:42:00 - [6] Originally by: Bevil Smyth The Hyperion does seem a bit flacid compared to its other tier 3 counterparts, although i think that may be down more to a lack of niche that it fits into when compared to its stablemates... My thought exactly. Find an amicable solution to the buffer/active tank balance and the repairer bonuses will be worthwhile once more. Small gang or solo it does perform rather well, at least the ones I have run into, but once gang size increase to where repair is dwarfed by incoming damage they become insurance scams.
Grarr Dexx Amarr Corp 1 Allstars	Posted - 2009.06.13 20:44:00 - [7] It's very balanced in lowsec work, since it can brush off the dps of a bs and sentry guns at the same time.
oMAKo Gallente Kiroshi Group Exiliar Syndicate	Posted - 2009.06.13 22:06:00 - [8] Hype is a blaster boat, and thatÆs the problem. Large blasters are broken since the last 'patch'. Fix this and the hype becomes decent (in gangs) again. Although i agree that a mega is a better blaster boat, bigger EHP, comparable DPS and cheaper!
Harotak THE FINAL STAND Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2009.06.13 22:12:00 - [9] The hype is fine IMO, though blaster could use a bit more tracking.
SPACE L0RD Gallente	Posted - 2009.06.13 22:22:00 - [10] How does the Hyperion make a better blaster boat than the Mega? As a rr BS it fails. As a fleet sniper BS it fails. As a mission BS it fails. When I say fail I mean in comparison to the other races top tier BS and COST.

oMAKo Gallente Kiroshi Group Exiliar Syndicate	Posted - 2009.06.13 22:32:00 - [11] Originally by: SPACE L0RD How does the Hyperion make a better blaster boat than the Mega? As a rr BS it fails. As a fleet sniper BS it fails. As a mission BS it fails. When I say fail I mean in comparison to the other races top tier BS and COST. Who said the Hype was a better blaster boat than a mega? ------------- Kiroshi Group -------------
Lucas Avidius Einherjar Rising Cry Havoc.	Posted - 2009.06.14 00:01:00 - [12] The hyperion needs something done to it to make it a true blaster platform. The repair bonus does nothing useful. I have not flown a ship with a local repper (excepting capital ships) since 2007. I know CCPs "theme" with tier 3 BS was defense, since the big push back then was to make fights last longer, but really the Rokh and Abaddon are the only two that got worthwhile bonuses, in the form of resists. Change the repair bonus to something meaningful. Change out a mid to a low. Extend its base targeting range so it doesnt need a disusting number of sensor boosters to snipe. Give it a hybrid falloff bonus. Give it a little more CPU so it can fit stuff without having to use best named or faction. Give it a bit more grid so it can fit 8x425 Rails properly. Give it an MWD capacitor penalty bonus (wasn't that what it was going to get originally anyway?). Give it some kind of unique blaster bonus that no other ship in the game has. Give it something to make it worth flying over the Megathron, which excels at every role the hyperion has in a much more cost efficient and effective manner. Change the repair bonus in such a way that it benefits a remote repair gang in the same way an abaddons resist bonus benefits. Perhaps change the repair bonus to affect not only local reppers, but remote reppers acting on the ship. Afterall, if its electronics are designed to optimize the nanobots used by its own local reppers, why couldnt it optimize the nanobots from friendly ships? Make the Maelstroms shield boost amount bonus work in a similar way for sheild transporters. Just do SOMETHING with this ship to make it useful over a megathron. And dont you dare nerf the Megathron to make the Hyperion more attractive. Were all fed up with nerfs. And while you're at it, make the ship model the size of a battleship. I think it's almost as big as my Thanatos.
SPACE L0RD Gallente	Posted - 2009.06.14 17:31:00 - [13] my thoughts exactly
Barbanikos Amarr Alternative Routes	Posted - 2009.06.14 18:39:00 - [14] indeed hyperion needs something as a tier 3 bs ... i have hardly bought 1 of these in my entire life ... maybe make it a sniper ship like rokh as we are covered for blasters and drones with mega and dominix ... mega is good sniper too but if hype takes a specialize in this like the rokh but more armorish , would be nice.
Rouge Drone	Posted - 2009.06.14 19:03:00 - [15] Buff my domi too please.
Ione Star	Posted - 2009.06.14 21:52:00 - [16] Originally by: Lucas Avidius The hyperion needs something done to it to make it a true blaster platform. The repair bonus does nothing useful. I have not flown a ship with a local repper (excepting capital ships) since 2007. I know CCPs "theme" with tier 3 BS was defense, since the big push back then was to make fights last longer, but really the Rokh and Abaddon are the only two that got worthwhile bonuses, in the form of resists. Change the repair bonus to something meaningful. Yes! I absolutly agree with this. Hyperion and Dominix must be pvp ships, but not!
Laechyd Eldgorn Caldari Endemic Aggression Exalted.	Posted - 2009.06.15 14:14:00 - [17] Why not at same time make rokh have more capacitor and damage bonus too, not to mention more powergrid. It also lacks space in drone bay tbh.
Alexander Vallen Caldari	Posted - 2009.06.15 15:56:00 - [18] I hate to say it but the Rokh is fine the way it is. Caldari have always had smaller drone bays. The Hyperion though deffinitely needs something done to it. I've had one sitting im my hanger collecting dust for who knows how long. Yes it's faster than most other tier 3 Battleships but so what? With it's agravatingly short targeting range, you're going to be chasing any other ranged target for 5 minutes or more as you try to bring them close enough to lock them. Compared to the Rokh it trades 1 medium slot for 1 low, but with the Hyperion's weaker shield, you need that extra low just to add an armor rep. Something on this ship needs adjusting.
5pinDizzy	Posted - 2009.06.15 18:04:00 - [19] It isn't so much the fault of the setup of the Hyperion, more just getting the short end of the stick within the ditch all eve pvp has fell into for fleet tanking. Hitpoint buffer is everything. There are all sorts of feasable ways to fix this problem and I've still seen nothing from CCP on it. They are stubborn, they'll probably even buff active and shield armor tanking and all sorts of things before they'll do what really needs to be done. If we homogenize any of the exceptions to the rule in the shiptypes like the Hyperion to make it usable as a passive hitpoint buffer sponge to better save them from fleet alpha instadeath, all I think you'll be doing really is curing the symptom and not the illness. ------------------------------- Personal opinion for changing the Hyperion; +1 midslot, 100>150m3 dronebay.
Elaron Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.06.15 19:05:00 - [20] Originally by: 5pinDizzy They are stubborn, they'll probably even buff active and shield armor tanking and all sorts of things before they'll do what really needs to be done. So, what do you think needs to be done?

Perry Amarr The X-Trading Company RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.06.15 19:31:00 - [21] Some Options: -Boost all Repair Bonus (Shield and Armor) to 10% like T3 -Hyperion looses Repair Bonus and gains a second damage bonus (= +10% Hybrid Damage per level) (maybe nerf dronebay to 75m¦)
Letifer Deus Balls Deep Inc.	Posted - 2009.06.15 21:47:00 - [22] Edited by: Letifer Deus on 15/06/2009 21:49:36 Originally by: Perry Some Options: -Boost all Repair Bonus (Shield and Armor) to 10% like T3 I could live with this. People that active tank rokhs and abaddons will whine, but meh. ofc I only like this if marauder bonuses also get the boost. Quote: -Hyperion looses Repair Bonus and gains a second damage bonus (= +10% Hybrid Damage per level) (maybe nerf dronebay to 75m¦) If it kept the 6 low layout, I don't think this would work that well. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Brought to you by the letter ARRR!"
Ender Flagrante Gallente Legio V Fidelus Fidelas Constans	Posted - 2009.06.16 05:13:00 - [23] Given that the Hype is supposed to be a tier 3, active-tanked blaster ship, you would expect it to be able to at least fit the following grid intensive modules: 8x Neutron Blaster II, 100 MN MicroWarpdrive II, Heavy Cap Booster II, and a Large Armor Repairer II. Nope, doesn't fit. So, maybe we use a few best-named items and a PG implant and it all fits, right? Not even close. The above modules exceed the Hyperion's grid capacity by nearly 14.9% with max skills. You need an RCU II for what ought to be a pretty basic fit on a tier 3 blaster ship. Now, consider the Abaddon: 8x Mega Pulse II, 100 MN MicroWarpdrive II, Heavy Cap Booster II, and a Large Armor Repairer PLUS a 1600mm RT Plate fits just fine. (I know you generally don't active tank an Abaddon. This is just to demonstrate how f'ed the Hype is in comparison.) CPU gets tight once you start fitting damage, resists, and mids, but the Hype has the same problem. To add insult to injury, the extra damage mod that the Abaddon can fit means that it out-damages the Hyperion and the resist bonus allows the Abaddon to active-tank nearly as well as the Hyperion (282 vs 290 efficiency in EFT with 2x EANM II + DCU II on both fits). Compared to the Abaddon, the Hyperion is an absolute joke.
Allahs Warrior Gallente Justified Hedonism And Dualism	Posted - 2009.06.16 05:40:00 - [24] Edited by: Allahs Warrior on 16/06/2009 05:44:24 Hyperion is basically the battleship you want to solo other battleships with. That's it. You may pretend it's a blaster boat, but with large blasters the way they are and NO tracking bonus...active tank bonuses in fleet are tarded. But I also don't want to see it turn into an Abaddon. It should be the domi with grid instead of drones. How gallente battleships seem to want to be: Domi - drone focus mega - mix hyperion - hybrid focus Why do we need an active tank bonus other than to differentiate it from the tracking/damage bonus of the mega? We don't. If you want a good solo gallente BS use a domi. Nothing a hyperion does is worth choosing it over a domi for small gang. Nothing a hyperion does is worth choosing it over a mega in fleet. Bonus to fix? Instead of repair bonus, give it a huge damage bonus, and that's it. Something like 10% or 12.5% should make it the super-DPS boat that Gallente blaster boats should be. edit: Or just give it a falloff bonus, as 90% of the time ur shooting blasters in falloff.
Ender Flagrante Gallente Legio V Fidelus Fidelas Constans	Posted - 2009.06.16 06:26:00 - [25] Originally by: Allahs Warrior Edited by: Allahs Warrior on 16/06/2009 05:44:24 Hyperion is basically the battleship you want to solo other battleships with. That's it. You may pretend it's a blaster boat, but with large blasters the way they are and NO tracking bonus...active tank bonuses in fleet are tarded. But I also don't want to see it turn into an Abaddon. It should be the domi with grid instead of drones. How gallente battleships seem to want to be: Domi - drone focus mega - mix hyperion - hybrid focus Why do we need an active tank bonus other than to differentiate it from the tracking/damage bonus of the mega? We don't. If you want a good solo gallente BS use a domi. Nothing a hyperion does is worth choosing it over a domi for small gang. Nothing a hyperion does is worth choosing it over a mega in fleet. Bonus to fix? Instead of repair bonus, give it a huge damage bonus, and that's it. Something like 10% or 12.5% should make it the super-DPS boat that Gallente blaster boats should be. edit: Or just give it a falloff bonus, as 90% of the time ur shooting blasters in falloff. I wasn't saying that I wanted the Hyperion to turn into an Abaddon. Definitely not. My point was that even if you don't think that Blasters suck (they do), and even if you think that active tanking bonuses are worthwhile (they aren't), the Hyperion's power grid is a joke. It needs at least a 16% grid boost just to make good use of the crap bonuses that it already has. Also, NO F*&#ING FALLOFF bonuses. A falloff bonus on a hybrid weapon ship is half a bonus. First of all, the bonus is only really useful at all for blasters. It's pretty much useless with rails. Second, it isn't even a great bonus for blasters. Base ranges for Mega Pulse II, Neutrons Blasters II, and 800mm AC II are 30/10, 9/12.5, and 6/20 respectively. Pulses have 3x more optimal than falloff. ACs have 3.33x more falloff than optimal. Blasters only have ~1.39x more falloff than optimal which means that any range bonuses are proportionally far worse than an optimal bonus for pulses or a falloff bonus for ACs.
Dyner Minmatar The Three Swords of Light	Posted - 2009.06.16 08:23:00 - [26] I would say keep the hyp a true-blue Blaster Boat; by changing the +5% to hybrid to strictly +5% large blaster. this limits it and prevents an in balance where rails are used instead of the blasters. I would also increase the powergrid to allow for full T2 Neutron blasters (atm it seems you need a ACR-II minimum) using an ACR-I. May even want to add an additional bonus that extends the range of webbers to no more than say 20km for a T2 webber. -or- A bonus to MWD speed (something small just enough to make it 90% as fast as say a cruiser with MWD) -or- A bonus reducing the Hyp's sig. radius Plan and simple I see a problem in that the Hyp has the stopping power (blasters) but has no real way of getting into range AND staying in range. most snipers and blaster-ships carry an AB or MWD to keep range. A BS is already slower than the stock speed of said ships. So one would have to be lucky to get within range (10km) to use a webber to maintain optimal Blaster Range. Before the prey engages their own MWD/AB; effectively kiting the Hyp to death. ---------------------------------------------------
Maxsim Goratiev Gallente Imperial Tau Syndicate	Posted - 2009.06.16 09:27:00 - [27] Hyperion is not broken. It is working in fleet fights and in gangs and solo, but another 2 gallente ships can do it just a touch better. I needs a small boost to it's usefullness anbd it will be fine. Any one of the above ideas would work. I used Hyp. and came back to mega. Powergreed and Cpu could be increased to make it better. This ship has 8 blasters, that's alot of powergreed, give it something to power them. Or make the bonus work for remote repp. To be honest I think all the repper and shield boost should work both localy and remote.. Reason being? Because shils with resist bonus can use it for active tank, buffer tank or spider tank. The boost is 7.5% instead of 5, so make it work personally and remotely, you can't use it for buffer tank in that case, so higher bonus value will make more sence. Hm...
Izo Alabaster Friendly Neighbourhood Extortion Company	Posted - 2009.06.16 11:28:00 - [28] Hyp could use a 7th lowslot, and a slight CPU/PG increase to allow us to actually FIT 8 turrets on it. Compared to the Rokh and Abaddon, the Hyperion really is pretty lackluster. If it weren't for the other 2 Gallente BS being pretty good, you'd see a lot more threads complaining about Gallente battleships.
oMAKo Gallente Kiroshi Group Exiliar Syndicate	Posted - 2009.06.16 13:35:00 - [29] I like the the grid idea. Also an extra low slot is really needed! ------------- Kiroshi Group -------------
McEivalley Fallen Angel's Blade.	Posted - 2009.06.16 15:16:00 - [30] Another one got ganked though he thought he's uber. This whine of a thread is oh so funny. Every time someone mentions here the rokh as being in par forgets the little fact about the tackling/tanking problem every shield tanker has, neglects the fact that the rokh is the only tier 3 that doesn't have a damage/dps bonus to its primary weapons - it has a range bonus which shoves it to a sniper role if you wish to scratch the top - and for that it needs to fit a more PG hungry weapon than a blaster, yet the hype has more grid... Anyways, the bottom line is this... however you fit the rokh, it will not have the same tackling, firepower AND tanking abilities a hype has. Basically this whine-thread is all about wanting the tier 3 gallente BS to be more uber than the already pretty devastating Mega. I'm all for that if CCP boosts significantly the maelstorm and rokh as well and will allow them to tackle with similar tanking and firepower.



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