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kessah
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Posted - 2004.09.18 12:29:00 -
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I know its completly Random on when u get a bpo from ur agent, but i was just wondering how long it took some of you guys to get your first BPO?
ive been researching for about 2 1\2 months now. know i gota long way to go, since im getting about 3.72 rp a day lol ive about 300 reasearch points.
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kessah
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Posted - 2004.09.18 12:29:00 -
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I know its completly Random on when u get a bpo from ur agent, but i was just wondering how long it took some of you guys to get your first BPO?
ive been researching for about 2 1\2 months now. know i gota long way to go, since im getting about 3.72 rp a day lol ive about 300 reasearch points.
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Barbicane
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Posted - 2004.09.18 16:44:00 -
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I actually got my first BPO at 300rp of laser physics. That was after only a few weeks of research. The next one took 10 months and 10,000rp of quantum physics. I'm still waiting for my 3rd one.
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Barbicane
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Posted - 2004.09.18 16:44:00 -
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I actually got my first BPO at 300rp of laser physics. That was after only a few weeks of research. The next one took 10 months and 10,000rp of quantum physics. I'm still waiting for my 3rd one.
If you're only getting 3.72rp/day, you must be doing something wrong |
Kel Shek
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Posted - 2004.09.18 17:18:00 -
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like he said... if your only getting 3.72 rp/day, you gotta be doing something wrong... lol
what field is it in? what level is the agent? what Effective Quality... definitely aughta be able to get better than that
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To see a World in a Grain of Sand
And Heaven in a Wild Flower
Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand
And Eternity in an hour
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Kel Shek
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Posted - 2004.09.18 17:18:00 -
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like he said... if your only getting 3.72 rp/day, you gotta be doing something wrong... lol
what field is it in? what level is the agent? what Effective Quality... definitely aughta be able to get better than that
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To see a World in a Grain of Sand
And Heaven in a Wild Flower
Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand
And Eternity in an hour
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Nebus
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Posted - 2004.09.19 00:07:00 -
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Well, i get 68.79 points pr/day. And i got nearly 15000 RP, and i haven't seen anything that could renmotly look like a BPO yet
But the hope is still there
"The future is not set, there is no fate but what we make for ourselves. Let us shape your fate - Northern Intelligence" |
Nebus
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Posted - 2004.09.19 00:07:00 -
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Well, i get 68.79 points pr/day. And i got nearly 15000 RP, and i haven't seen anything that could renmotly look like a BPO yet
But the hope is still there
"The future is not set, there is no fate but what we make for ourselves. Let us shape your fate - Northern Intelligence" |
kessah
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Posted - 2004.09.19 10:37:00 -
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yeah when i started researching i didnt really know what i was doing so i used the closest agent to me,
agent is pretty crap a lvl 1 agent, i was told not to change agents cus id lose all the research points ive got so far :/
im researching Electromagnetic Physics with an agent in Inaro
-8 i think its crap lol 
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kessah
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Posted - 2004.09.19 10:37:00 -
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yeah when i started researching i didnt really know what i was doing so i used the closest agent to me,
agent is pretty crap a lvl 1 agent, i was told not to change agents cus id lose all the research points ive got so far :/
im researching Electromagnetic Physics with an agent in Inaro
-8 i think its crap lol
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Mari Y'Tuk
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Posted - 2004.09.19 13:29:00 -
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change, that one is so low that it would only take a week or 2 to surpass.
Get connections upto level 4, this will inable you to use level 2 agents without agent running (you just need to do 1 mission for the corp for the bonsus to kick in, so you find a crappy level 1, do one mission and your set)
other things include the level of skill your agent has, your level of skill, and Neogation raises RP by about 5% per level
I have 30,000 RP in starship engineering, and several thousand in others, I had 1 bpo, given to me after just 19 days of research, less than 300 points as i hadn;t raised the skill beyond level 2 at the time
My Production Spreadsheet, Most T1 Bp data, Located here. |
Mari Y'Tuk
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Posted - 2004.09.19 13:29:00 -
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change, that one is so low that it would only take a week or 2 to surpass.
Get connections upto level 4, this will inable you to use level 2 agents without agent running (you just need to do 1 mission for the corp for the bonsus to kick in, so you find a crappy level 1, do one mission and your set)
other things include the level of skill your agent has, your level of skill, and Neogation raises RP by about 5% per level
I have 30,000 RP in starship engineering, and several thousand in others, I had 1 bpo, given to me after just 19 days of research, less than 300 points as i hadn;t raised the skill beyond level 2 at the time
My Production Spreadsheet, Most T1 Bp data, Located here. |
Mimo
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Posted - 2004.09.21 09:23:00 -
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Started last december, got my first BPo in may, with 35k RP¦s.
Have fun :)
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Mimo
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Posted - 2004.09.21 09:23:00 -
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Started last december, got my first BPo in may, with 35k RP¦s.
Have fun :)
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Janeinsane
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Posted - 2004.09.22 06:08:00 -
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I have over 330,000 research points between 5 agents in caldari starship engineering, and thats on just one of my research chars, i have 4 chars doing research in all, i've never had a bpo.
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Janeinsane
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Posted - 2004.09.22 06:08:00 -
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I have over 330,000 research points between 5 agents in caldari starship engineering, and thats on just one of my research chars, i have 4 chars doing research in all, i've never had a bpo.
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Malmus
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Posted - 2004.09.22 18:12:00 -
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Ouch thats alot effort for no BPO,s
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Malmus
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Posted - 2004.09.22 18:12:00 -
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Ouch thats alot effort for no BPO,s
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Kulath
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Posted - 2004.09.23 22:16:00 -
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WOW, 330k research points and no bp yet. And they say the lottery work so well too (ready to choke on those words). Sorry but there's something wrong even if they won't admit it and I've petitioned about it. Because regardless of the so called LUCK factor in it being a lottery. There is something wrong when someone with 330k research points hasn't gotten anything and there's others running around having gotten 4 or more already.
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Kulath
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Posted - 2004.09.23 22:16:00 -
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WOW, 330k research points and no bp yet. And they say the lottery work so well too (ready to choke on those words). Sorry but there's something wrong even if they won't admit it and I've petitioned about it. Because regardless of the so called LUCK factor in it being a lottery. There is something wrong when someone with 330k research points hasn't gotten anything and there's others running around having gotten 4 or more already.
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Stevieboy
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Posted - 2004.09.23 22:54:00 -
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yep thats not good
there is something wrong
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Stevieboy
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Posted - 2004.09.23 22:54:00 -
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yep thats not good
there is something wrong
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Panthovigar
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Posted - 2004.09.24 05:49:00 -
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The lottery system in EVE is not very balanced. Like in RL some characters are lucky, others are not. I count to the second group of people, sadly. I have 3 research projects running, paid about 50M ISK for skills and so on, the output is equal to zero. Even my 120k SkillPoint hauler-alt has more use for the corp than the researcher. Maybe I will learn AMARR INDUSTRIAL skill so that I can feel more useful ...
Greetings from Ordat
Panthovigar
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Panthovigar
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Posted - 2004.09.24 05:49:00 -
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The lottery system in EVE is not very balanced. Like in RL some characters are lucky, others are not. I count to the second group of people, sadly. I have 3 research projects running, paid about 50M ISK for skills and so on, the output is equal to zero. Even my 120k SkillPoint hauler-alt has more use for the corp than the researcher. Maybe I will learn AMARR INDUSTRIAL skill so that I can feel more useful ...
Greetings from Ordat
Panthovigar
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Dejesus
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Posted - 2004.10.22 20:42:00 -
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Reading this just convinced me to never, ever do a research character. For every one guy I've heard say "I just got my second Tech II BPO!!!" I've heard 100 more say "I've been research for 2 months and never gotten anything..."
The research system obviously sucks and they need to fix it. I say: Each RP should count as 1 chance to win the lottery. Once a person wins the lottery, his/her RPs should go to zero. Either that, or after so many RP people should get something, good, bad or otherwise.
But this system is whacked. Only people who got a Tech II BPO and became billionaires overnight like this system.
DJ
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Dejesus
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Posted - 2004.10.22 20:42:00 -
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Reading this just convinced me to never, ever do a research character. For every one guy I've heard say "I just got my second Tech II BPO!!!" I've heard 100 more say "I've been research for 2 months and never gotten anything..."
The research system obviously sucks and they need to fix it. I say: Each RP should count as 1 chance to win the lottery. Once a person wins the lottery, his/her RPs should go to zero. Either that, or after so many RP people should get something, good, bad or otherwise.
But this system is whacked. Only people who got a Tech II BPO and became billionaires overnight like this system.
DJ
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Ertai Vodalion
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Posted - 2004.10.23 07:13:00 -
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I do research since december last year - Rocket science on a level 2 agent (eff qual. 43) - got 18000 RP collected and nothing yet
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Ertai Vodalion
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Posted - 2004.10.23 07:13:00 -
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I do research since december last year - Rocket science on a level 2 agent (eff qual. 43) - got 18000 RP collected and nothing yet
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Drone1
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Posted - 2004.10.23 11:24:00 -
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 Originally by: Kulath
WOW, 330k research points and no bp yet. And they say the lottery work so well too (ready to choke on those words). Sorry but there's something wrong even if they won't admit it and I've petitioned about it. Because regardless of the so called LUCK factor in it being a lottery. There is something wrong when someone with 330k research points hasn't gotten anything and there's others running around having gotten 4 or more already.
They never seemed to have been able to admit that something was not quite right with the lottery even when a select few were getting two or even 3 interceptor bpo's in a short space of time (therefore with low rp's). Whilst statistically possible it is so improbable that it is laughable.
Still, noone has admitted to multiple tech II bpo's in a while so maybe they have quietly rectified it.
Must admit that the concept of a lottery in this way must be the fairest method of distributing new tech items.
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Drone1
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Posted - 2004.10.23 11:24:00 -
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Originally by: Kulath
WOW, 330k research points and no bp yet. And they say the lottery work so well too (ready to choke on those words). Sorry but there's something wrong even if they won't admit it and I've petitioned about it. Because regardless of the so called LUCK factor in it being a lottery. There is something wrong when someone with 330k research points hasn't gotten anything and there's others running around having gotten 4 or more already.
They never seemed to have been able to admit that something was not quite right with the lottery even when a select few were getting two or even 3 interceptor bpo's in a short space of time (therefore with low rp's). Whilst statistically possible it is so improbable that it is laughable.
Still, noone has admitted to multiple tech II bpo's in a while so maybe they have quietly rectified it.
Must admit that the concept of a lottery in this way must be the fairest method of distributing new tech items.
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Spruance
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Posted - 2004.10.24 04:57:00 -
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I am highly wary of the entire lottery deal. Basically because I've seen people get 2-3 bpo while others with 10x the points get none.
I'd like to see the lottery completely changed so it gives bp COPIES not originals. They would be limited run copies, would be given more often, and would be more equally distributed.
Right now giving someone a BPO for an assault cruiser (example) is like giving someone a money machine. I'm aware of one that recently sold for 6b isk (thats BILLION). Thats outrageous imo. Now imagine instead of one person getting this 10 people each got a five run BPC? Spread the wealth a bit, everyone gets something, yet its not flooding the market.
I have five R&D agents, two in Amarrian Starship, one in Laser, one in Quantum and one in something else (forget what). My standings are all +5.0 or better, im making decent points, I've got about 30k points on my first (laser), between 10k-30k on the other four. I've spent the 40m isk on the R&D Mgmt skill to run more then one agent. I've spent weeks just doing stupid missions for standing.
I've gotten nothing in return. 
Redo the lottery. Spread the wealth and let us feel there is some benefit to actually doing research. My corp has a total of 12 R&D agents between three members. We have NO blueprints in that time (over six months for some). Thats a real problem.
Reginald Spruance III
CEO
Libertas Enterprises
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Spruance
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Posted - 2004.10.24 04:57:00 -
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I am highly wary of the entire lottery deal. Basically because I've seen people get 2-3 bpo while others with 10x the points get none.
I'd like to see the lottery completely changed so it gives bp COPIES not originals. They would be limited run copies, would be given more often, and would be more equally distributed.
Right now giving someone a BPO for an assault cruiser (example) is like giving someone a money machine. I'm aware of one that recently sold for 6b isk (thats BILLION). Thats outrageous imo. Now imagine instead of one person getting this 10 people each got a five run BPC? Spread the wealth a bit, everyone gets something, yet its not flooding the market.
I have five R&D agents, two in Amarrian Starship, one in Laser, one in Quantum and one in something else (forget what). My standings are all +5.0 or better, im making decent points, I've got about 30k points on my first (laser), between 10k-30k on the other four. I've spent the 40m isk on the R&D Mgmt skill to run more then one agent. I've spent weeks just doing stupid missions for standing.
I've gotten nothing in return.
Redo the lottery. Spread the wealth and let us feel there is some benefit to actually doing research. My corp has a total of 12 R&D agents between three members. We have NO blueprints in that time (over six months for some). Thats a real problem.
Reginald Spruance III
CEO
Libertas Enterprises
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Shakul
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Posted - 2004.10.24 06:21:00 -
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Originally by: Spruance
I am highly wary of the entire lottery deal. Basically because I've seen people get 2-3 bpo while others with 10x the points get none.
Well, yeah, thats why its called a lottery. Who said your amount of RPs would be directly proportional to the amount of BPOs you get?
Originally by: Spruance
I'd like to see the lottery completely changed so it gives bp COPIES not originals. They would be limited run copies, would be given more often, and would be more equally distributed.
I would rather see a mix of copies and originals. This makes the T2 market stable by allowing some people to manufacture T2 items regularly, and allows people who don't get BPOs to still get something.
Auction your items for isk, works sort of like ebay. |
Shakul
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Posted - 2004.10.24 06:21:00 -
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Originally by: Spruance
I am highly wary of the entire lottery deal. Basically because I've seen people get 2-3 bpo while others with 10x the points get none.
Well, yeah, thats why its called a lottery. Who said your amount of RPs would be directly proportional to the amount of BPOs you get?
Originally by: Spruance
I'd like to see the lottery completely changed so it gives bp COPIES not originals. They would be limited run copies, would be given more often, and would be more equally distributed.
I would rather see a mix of copies and originals. This makes the T2 market stable by allowing some people to manufacture T2 items regularly, and allows people who don't get BPOs to still get something.
Auction your items for isk, works sort of like ebay. |
Shakul
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Posted - 2004.10.24 06:22:00 -
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Originally by: Malmus
Ouch thats alot effort for no BPO,s
it only requires "effort" if you do the missions. otherwise, its just a matter of logging on every week to check eve-mail.
Auction your items for isk, works sort of like ebay. |
Shakul
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Posted - 2004.10.24 06:22:00 -
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Originally by: Malmus
Ouch thats alot effort for no BPO,s
it only requires "effort" if you do the missions. otherwise, its just a matter of logging on every week to check eve-mail.
Auction your items for isk, works sort of like ebay. |
Spruance
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Posted - 2004.10.24 13:47:00 -
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Quote:
"Well, yeah, thats why its called a lottery. Who said your amount of RPs would be directly proportional to the amount of BPOs you get?"
Is that what it is? When you see one person get three BPO's in a short time with minimal points, then someone else get nothing with over 100,000 RP you wonder especially when the ones to get them seem to be "popular".
The amount of RP you have are supposed to increase your chances of getting a BPO. More chances in the pool.
My big issue with all this is they have NEVER said how the lottery works. I want to see CCP lay it out in black and white HOW the lottery works and HOW the winners are picked. Do they have a program for it? Do they throw names into a hat, pick a winner then load the bp into game? How does it work?
Reginald Spruance III
CEO
Libertas Enterprises
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Spruance
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Posted - 2004.10.24 13:47:00 -
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Quote:
"Well, yeah, thats why its called a lottery. Who said your amount of RPs would be directly proportional to the amount of BPOs you get?"
Is that what it is? When you see one person get three BPO's in a short time with minimal points, then someone else get nothing with over 100,000 RP you wonder especially when the ones to get them seem to be "popular".
The amount of RP you have are supposed to increase your chances of getting a BPO. More chances in the pool.
My big issue with all this is they have NEVER said how the lottery works. I want to see CCP lay it out in black and white HOW the lottery works and HOW the winners are picked. Do they have a program for it? Do they throw names into a hat, pick a winner then load the bp into game? How does it work?
Reginald Spruance III
CEO
Libertas Enterprises
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NoNamium
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Posted - 2004.10.27 10:34:00 -
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Actually in a post by Pappa Smurf (which went unnoticed to most) he said that they had indeed found a bug in the algorithm for BPO distribution that cause people with very few RP to get a bigger chance than they should have.
This was fixed according to Pappa Smurf.
On another note I'd like to see tech 2 BPCs being given and costing a smaller amount of your research points.
This would cause a drain in RP overall (like solving the inflation of isk) and it would as stated by others distribute wealth across a greater number of people.
- NoNamium
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NoNamium
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Posted - 2004.10.27 10:34:00 -
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Actually in a post by Pappa Smurf (which went unnoticed to most) he said that they had indeed found a bug in the algorithm for BPO distribution that cause people with very few RP to get a bigger chance than they should have.
This was fixed according to Pappa Smurf.
On another note I'd like to see tech 2 BPCs being given and costing a smaller amount of your research points.
This would cause a drain in RP overall (like solving the inflation of isk) and it would as stated by others distribute wealth across a greater number of people.
- NoNamium
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Kaaii
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Posted - 2004.10.27 18:47:00 -
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220k Rps, @ 107 per day..
Started on day one, never recieved a bp
Ive given up, the whole effort isn't worth it.
Also I did Rocket Science.
I was under the impression the rocket science was dealing with...rockets. Like missles, "rockets" torpedos etc..
You can imagine my horror when i found out i was researching MWD's/AB's....
would have been nice to know ahead of time what area I was in,...
Instead of 5 monhs later on some forgotten patch notes
"..Id rather fall beside 10 lions, then stand with One thousand sheep.."
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Kaaii
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Posted - 2004.10.27 18:47:00 -
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220k Rps, @ 107 per day..
Started on day one, never recieved a bp
Ive given up, the whole effort isn't worth it.
Also I did Rocket Science.
I was under the impression the rocket science was dealing with...rockets. Like missles, "rockets" torpedos etc..
You can imagine my horror when i found out i was researching MWD's/AB's....
would have been nice to know ahead of time what area I was in,...
Instead of 5 monhs later on some forgotten patch notes
"..Id rather fall beside 10 lions, then stand with One thousand sheep.."
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Devestator
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Posted - 2004.10.28 18:30:00 -
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I have also been researching since December 2003. Still no BPO. I get 132 RP\D and have 47,000 points in Laser Phyiscs.
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Devestator
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Posted - 2004.10.28 18:30:00 -
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I have also been researching since December 2003. Still no BPO. I get 132 RP\D and have 47,000 points in Laser Phyiscs.
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Jarra
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Posted - 2004.11.13 04:08:00 -
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Hi i Got a sensor booster bpo from my lvl 1 agent after 2150 points @ 33.50 a day from Electromagnetic physics.
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Diplomacy is like saying "nice doggy" until u can find a bigger rock:) |
Jarra
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Posted - 2004.11.13 04:08:00 -
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Hi i Got a sensor booster bpo from my lvl 1 agent after 2150 points @ 33.50 a day from Electromagnetic physics.
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Diplomacy is like saying "nice doggy" until u can find a bigger rock:) |
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