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Reptar Dragon the united Negative Ten.	Posted - 2009.06.22 19:46:00 - [1] Edited by: Reptar Dragon on 22/06/2009 19:48:57 The Final Stand is proud to bring you a public COD4 server where EVE players can shoot each other and not lose isk! In the future we will be holding COD4 tournaments for in-Eve prizes and ISK. Game Server: The Final Stand Pub - 16 /connect 209.246.143.112:28960 Public Ventrilo Server: vent3.gameservers.com port 4807 www.thefinalstand.com - Where (cool adjective) happens. See you in-game :D

CCP Tuxford	Posted - 2009.06.22 19:58:00 - [2] hardcore? _______________

Xen Gin Solar Excavations Ultd. Black Sun Alliance	Posted - 2009.06.22 20:03:00 - [3] Edited by: Xen Gin on 22/06/2009 20:03:34 Originally by: CCP Tuxford hardcore? Yeah none of that softcore crap. Also what makes this an EVE COD4 server? - Rereading FTW, NVM.
Gallente Citizen20090206 Holographic Universe	Posted - 2009.06.22 20:33:00 - [4] It was softcore about 15 minutes ago, empty, and 150+ ping for me in the UK.
ctttttttt Caldari the united Negative Ten.	Posted - 2009.06.22 20:37:00 - [5] hardcore's for noobs! Server is regular game play - most of us play evening us time zone
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2009.06.22 20:43:00 - [6] Sweet. I just picked up COD4 a month ago and am loving the online action. Will drop by later tonite if there are some people to shoot at.
Gallente Citizen20090206 Holographic Universe	Posted - 2009.06.22 20:45:00 - [7] Geif EU server ;(

CCP Tuxford	Posted - 2009.06.22 21:26:00 - [8] I like hardcore but it might be because when I started playing I played hardcore and had problems switching to softcore. I used to shoot at people and incorrectly assume they would die from it. hardcore with friendly fire off is completely stupid though.

KingsGambit Caldari Knights	Posted - 2009.06.22 21:44:00 - [9] What game types does the server run? I got up to lvl 29 a short time back but haven't played for a while since, really enjoyed HQ. Found I spent most of my time furiously chasing after enemy bullets to attack with my chest. If there were mods to turn off airstrikes I don't think I would be quite so frustrated with the game. I just found that setting foot anywhere outdoors meant death by airstrike, if not by claymore or grenade or some guy across the map who kills me with a single shot from a pistol to my shoelace.
Irida Mershkov Gallente War is Bliss	Posted - 2009.06.22 21:49:00 - [10] Originally by: CCP Tuxford I like hardcore but it might be because when I started playing I played hardcore and had problems switching to softcore. I used to shoot at people and incorrectly assume they would die from it. hardcore with friendly fire off is completely stupid though. I played softcore once, on Domination, switched to hardcore to give it a try, been in love with it since. **** yes, I love my G36c, Supressed, Bomb Squad, UAV Jammer and Dead Silence. Sometimes RDS on it if I'm feeling more aggressive. Same with AKS-74u aswell. Oh, and my most awesome setup? THE LAZ0R SKORP. Skorpion \| ACOG RPG-7/Claymore Sleight of Hand Ex Con/Steady Aim/Dead Silence. This thing absolutely slaughters people, it's great.

ctttttttt Caldari the united Negative Ten.	Posted - 2009.06.22 23:02:00 - [11] The server is set up for normal gameplay and team death match format - how ever I believe you can vote to change the map and format. If the pub gets some attention im sure we will have no objections to change the format or map rotation to more of a community based popularity thing i dunno. Hardcore is just dumb every weapon kills in 1 hit making other guns useless like the sniper. Hardcore is for hardcore amateurs :) who cant cut it on regular mode :P
Intense Thinker Minmatar	Posted - 2009.06.22 23:09:00 - [12] I like the MP5 with double tap perk
Bodrul Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2009.06.22 23:22:00 - [13] i might have to reinstall this on my PC since my 360 has passed away R.I.P last time i played cod4 on PC the lag killed it. ... CCP sponsored Tournament win Conquests Board Game
Irida Mershkov Gallente War is Bliss	Posted - 2009.06.22 23:29:00 - [14] Edited by: Irida Mershkov on 22/06/2009 23:29:49 Originally by: ctttttttt Hardcore is just dumb every weapon kills in 1 hit making other guns useless like the sniper. Hardcore is for hardcore amateurs :) who cant cut it on regular mode :P Softcore is for easy mode players who can't take being one hit killed without a UAV. Hardcore balances the guns better, it isn't just "durr m16 rds stopping power martyrdom, p-90 steady aim durr" mode. Snipers are also bloody amazing on Hardcore, no Killcam to keep screwing you up.
ctttttttt Caldari the united Negative Ten.	Posted - 2009.06.22 23:56:00 - [15] Originally by: Irida Mershkov Edited by: Irida Mershkov on 22/06/2009 23:29:49 Originally by: ctttttttt Hardcore is just dumb every weapon kills in 1 hit making other guns useless like the sniper. Hardcore is for hardcore amateurs :) who cant cut it on regular mode :P Softcore is for easy mode players who can't take being one hit killed without a UAV. Hardcore balances the guns better, it isn't just "durr m16 rds stopping power martyrdom, p-90 steady aim durr" mode. Snipers are also bloody amazing on Hardcore, no Killcam to keep screwing you up. regardless of format ill still roll you
Lance Fighter Amarr	Posted - 2009.06.23 00:12:00 - [16] used to play it a bunch on the 360, but i stopped a while back.. I used to have fun with a m16 and double tap, oddly enough.. never seen another person who liked that.
Trustworthy Joe	Posted - 2009.06.23 00:32:00 - [17] back when i played hardcore i went all stealth, mp5 with silencer, pistol with silencer, UAV jammer, the works. was great fun, used to love running around without ever being seen by a UAV _______________________ with a name as trustworthy as mine, i cant POSSIBLY be an alt Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails <-- this is your brain on boosters
Reptar Dragon the united Negative Ten.	Posted - 2009.06.23 00:35:00 - [18] TFS peeps will be on the server tonight US time, see you guys there!
Krystal Vernet Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2009.06.23 01:05:00 - [19] I love the Martyrdom perk. It's amusing to see how many people don't pay enough attention to avoid it, including myself. It's particularly useful as I typically use a MP5, so I'm already pretty much in their face. Rush into a camp, die, and if I die close enough, watch them die. :)
ctttttttt Caldari the united Negative Ten.	Posted - 2009.06.23 01:11:00 - [20] i personally think marty is awsome although i dont use it. but i wish more fps games had that to prevent people from camping all map and shooting you point blank in the back. Deffinatly a good perk.

DamienV Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2009.06.23 01:30:00 - [21] The server is currently setup for softcore/TDM. However with enough interest we could change it to other settings. I am willing to go ahead and change the settings around to keep things interesting. Another option (if there is enough interest, and maybe some donations as this server and any future ones will be coming out of TFS members pockets) is to get another server (or 2) with various game modes. Anyway hope to see some of you on the server
Xen Gin Solar Excavations Ultd. Black Sun Alliance	Posted - 2009.06.23 02:03:00 - [22] I used to do the stealth thing too, silenced P90, silenced 9mm, UAV jammer and the quiet perk or whatever it was.
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2009.06.23 02:38:00 - [23] Edited by: Merin Ryskin on 23/06/2009 02:42:52 Originally by: ctttttttt Hardcore is just dumb every weapon kills in 1 hit making other guns useless like the sniper. Hardcore is for hardcore amateurs :) who cant cut it on regular mode :P Lol. Hardcore is what makes snipers work properly. In softcore, it's hard to kill in one shot with a sniper rifle, so you need an automatic weapon to get the second (lethal) shot in. In hardcore, on the other hand, sniper rifles are one-hit-kill, and perfectly accurate. Sure, assault rifles also kill in one hit (I <3 G3), but the scope is still very useful to have on some maps. Softcore is just stupid. The only gun worth using is the M4, since it's the only gun that can actually hit the target enough times to kill them in a reasonable amount of time. Anything else either does too little damage, has too low a ROF, or too much recoil to beat the M4. But really, it's all about the grenade launchers. G3 + grenade launcher, overkill, M4 + grenade launcher, martyrdom. BOOM! Even setting it to softcore won't save you from a properly aimed grenade. -----------
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2009.06.23 02:46:00 - [24] Originally by: Krystal Vernet I love the Martyrdom perk. It's amusing to see how many people don't pay enough attention to avoid it, including myself. It's particularly useful as I typically use a MP5, so I'm already pretty much in their face. Rush into a camp, die, and if I die close enough, watch them die. :) What's hilarious is how many idiots will whine and cry endlessly about martyrdom, when really you hardly ever get any kills with it compared to other perks. I absolutely *dominate* with a silenced G3 + dead silence + claymores, but it's the class with grenade launchers and martyrdom that gets all the crying, despite the fact that they have a much better chance of beating me. Even last stand is a far better choice, since the extra kills you might get still count towards your kill streak. -----------
DamienV Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2009.06.23 02:48:00 - [25] Originally by: Merin Ryskin Edited by: Merin Ryskin on 23/06/2009 02:42:52 Originally by: ctttttttt Hardcore is just dumb every weapon kills in 1 hit making other guns useless like the sniper. Hardcore is for hardcore amateurs :) who cant cut it on regular mode :P Lol. Hardcore is what makes snipers work properly. In softcore, it's hard to kill in one shot with a sniper rifle, so you need an automatic weapon to get the second (lethal) shot in. In hardcore, on the other hand, sniper rifles are one-hit-kill, and perfectly accurate. Sure, assault rifles also kill in one hit (I <3 G3), but the scope is still very useful to have on some maps. Softcore is just stupid. The only gun worth using is the M4, since it's the only gun that can actually hit the target enough times to kill them in a reasonable amount of time. Anything else either does too little damage, has too low a ROF, or too much recoil to beat the M4. But really, it's all about the grenade launchers. G3 + grenade launcher, overkill, M4 + grenade launcher, martyrdom. BOOM! Even setting it to softcore won't save you from a properly aimed grenade. I don't know why you think snipers suck in softcore since we just got done playing with snipers in the server and they certainly do kill in one hit (you just need to aim above the knees FYI)
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2009.06.23 03:05:00 - [26] Originally by: DamienV I don't know why you think snipers suck in softcore since we just got done playing with snipers in the server and they certainly do kill in one hit (you just need to aim above the knees FYI) Hint: non-idiots tend to use cover occasionally, and on softcore, tend to use that annoying extra-HP perk. On softcore, sniper rifles kill in one hit if you're lucky. On hardcore, sniper rifles kill in one hit through two cars and a brick wall, no matter what perks the target has. And since you don't need the stopping power perk to get a one-hit-kill, you can take overkill and bring a secondary weapon so you aren't helpless at close range.
Reptar Dragon the united Negative Ten.	Posted - 2009.06.23 03:18:00 - [27] I run an AK74 with stopping power and steady aim, serves me real well.
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2009.06.23 03:48:00 - [28] Edited by: Zeba on 23/06/2009 03:49:04 Originally by: Merin Ryskin Originally by: DamienV I don't know why you think snipers suck in softcore since we just got done playing with snipers in the server and they certainly do kill in one hit (you just need to aim above the knees FYI) Hint: non-idiots tend to use cover occasionally, and on softcore, tend to use that annoying extra-HP perk. On softcore, sniper rifles kill in one hit if you're lucky. On hardcore, sniper rifles kill in one hit through two cars and a brick wall, no matter what perks the target has. And since you don't need the stopping power perk to get a one-hit-kill, you can take overkill and bring a secondary weapon so you aren't helpless at close range. Pfffft.. Softcore, hardcore, medium well core it doesn't matter when a SAW with grip/penetration/damage perks along with a player who knows all the corridor routes is on the map. Endless airstrikes.
Krystal Vernet Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2009.06.23 05:47:00 - [29] Originally by: Merin Ryskin What's hilarious is how many idiots will whine and cry endlessly about martyrdom, when really you hardly ever get any kills with it compared to other perks. I absolutely *dominate* with a silenced G3 + dead silence + claymores, but it's the class with grenade launchers and martyrdom that gets all the crying, despite the fact that they have a much better chance of beating me. Even last stand is a far better choice, since the extra kills you might get still count towards your kill streak. Grenade launchers mostly annoy me because I keep dying to them. :P I usually run with a MP5, silenced pistol, claymores, martyrdom, and stopping power. I've actually gotten decent with the MP5 at one time, but it's been a bit since I played a lot, so my reactions have dwindled a bit. I'm not a very good sharpshooter, so my plan is mostly either to run in and shoot them before they can react or run in, shoot, fail and die. A lot of times, I'll camp temporarily when I can shortly expect someone to be around. Place claymores in the pathways and wait for them to come. I don't typically stick around in one place for long, though, unless the enemy's crawling everywhere outside. It's a rarity that I live long enough to accumulate enough kills to get a heli. Sometimes, I'll get airstrikes. More commonly, I barely live long enough for a UAV. It's incredibly fun.
Irulan S'Dijana Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2009.06.23 07:59:00 - [30] Will check it out. Personally I'm a fan of silenced MP5, silenced pistol, flash + dead silence, UAV jammer and something else I can't remember. Been a while, and I have to get my levels up again due to reformat. Loooved wetwork. I tended to be quite aggressive on it and when combined with good use of flashbangs, the silenced mp5 with stealth perks was lethal.

Tara Moss	Posted - 2009.06.23 08:53:00 - [31] CoD 4 is good fun and the singeplayer is not half bad. I still remember that sniper mission -that was one of the best singeplayer experiences I've had in a fps. I much prefer hardcore mode...and the Russian maps are great. I think I wet myself the first time I saw a ghillie suite -damn those things are cool! I just wish tubes were removed from the game Although I mostly play Team Fortress 2 these days I still come back to CoD4 now and then for some fun. Good times and definitely worth playing if you're one of the few who hasn't.
Irida Mershkov Gallente War is Bliss	Posted - 2009.06.23 09:26:00 - [32] Originally by: Merin Ryskin Edited by: Merin Ryskin on 23/06/2009 02:42:52 Originally by: ctttttttt Hardcore is just dumb every weapon kills in 1 hit making other guns useless like the sniper. Hardcore is for hardcore amateurs :) who cant cut it on regular mode :P Lol. Hardcore is what makes snipers work properly. In softcore, it's hard to kill in one shot with a sniper rifle, so you need an automatic weapon to get the second (lethal) shot in. In hardcore, on the other hand, sniper rifles are one-hit-kill, and perfectly accurate. Sure, assault rifles also kill in one hit (I <3 G3), but the scope is still very useful to have on some maps. Softcore is just stupid. The only gun worth using is the M4, since it's the only gun that can actually hit the target enough times to kill them in a reasonable amount of time. Anything else either does too little damage, has too low a ROF, or too much recoil to beat the M4. But really, it's all about the grenade launchers. G3 + grenade launcher, overkill, M4 + grenade launcher, martyrdom. BOOM! Even setting it to softcore won't save you from a properly aimed grenade. Juggy Sniping? My only real gripe with COD is the M16, it just seems to outperform every assault rifle statistically, still prefer the G3 and G36c myself but the M16 is definitely overpowered compared to the rest. That being said, Suppressed G3 on Hardcore is bloody awesome.

CCP Tuxford	Posted - 2009.06.23 11:08:00 - [33] Relax with the hardcore vs. softcore debate. Tbh this is just catering to different play styles. Part of the reason I like hardcore is because snipers aren't that awesome. If I know a rough location of a sniper and have a heavy weapon I can rip that building apart and chances are that I'll get him. That forces them to be on the move. I hate martyrdom. You are a lot more likely to kill your teammates than you are at killing your enemy with that perk. _______________

Krystal Vernet Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2009.06.23 15:22:00 - [34] Originally by: CCP Tuxford I hate martyrdom. You are a lot more likely to kill your teammates than you are at killing your enemy with that perk. Depends on how you play. If you're going to stay at range with most of the rest of your team, yeah, it's kind of silly. However, if you fight in mostly near melee range, it really shines then, particularly if you know the rest of your buddies can keep the enemy pinned there or if it's a camp you're rushing into.
Nicole Graves Caldari ForgeTech Industries	Posted - 2009.06.23 23:04:00 - [35] Originally by: CCP Tuxford I like hardcore but it might be because when I started playing I played hardcore and had problems switching to softcore. I used to shoot at people and incorrectly assume they would die from it. hardcore with friendly fire off is completely stupid though. Quoted for Dev Truth.
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2009.06.24 08:08:00 - [36] Originally by: Irida Mershkov My only real gripe with COD is the M16, it just seems to outperform every assault rifle statistically, still prefer the G3 and G36c myself but the M16 is definitely overpowered compared to the rest. That being said, Suppressed G3 on Hardcore is bloody awesome. The M16 is pretty mediocre, IMO. Sure, it kills things quickly, but so does every other gun on hardcore (yet another reason to play hardcore: better weapon balance). If you want accuracy, the sights and flash are terrible. If you want to spray and pray, you want a true automatic, not just burst fire. Originally by: Krystal Vernet Originally by: CCP Tuxford I hate martyrdom. You are a lot more likely to kill your teammates than you are at killing your enemy with that perk. Depends on how you play. If you're going to stay at range with most of the rest of your team, yeah, it's kind of silly. However, if you fight in mostly near melee range, it really shines then, particularly if you know the rest of your buddies can keep the enemy pinned there or if it's a camp you're rushing into. It's a terrible, terrible perk. Most people know not to stick around when they hear the sound of a grenade drop, so you really don't get very many kills with it. Dead silence is far better (no footsteps = easy ambush), or if you want the extra kills from the grave, last stand will usually get you more kills, as well as count towards your kill streak (nice when you die at six kills). The only thing martyrdom is good for is making idiots cry about it.
baltec1 Antares Shipyards Hoodlums Associates	Posted - 2009.06.24 08:22:00 - [37] Edited by: baltec1 on 24/06/2009 08:22:32 Blah hardcore is for nubs with bullet sprayers.
Zen Mehari	Posted - 2009.06.24 08:26:00 - [38] Damn you all! Now Im'a have to go play some CoD4. It's been a while but I think I still remember how to call in a bomb strike.
Irida Mershkov Gallente War is Bliss	Posted - 2009.06.24 12:21:00 - [39] Originally by: baltec1 Edited by: baltec1 on 24/06/2009 08:22:32 Blah hardcore is for nubs with bullet sprayers. Spraying on hardcore is the quickest way to get killed. Softcore is when people spray the most. P90 anyone? Also, Merin, I agree on that, it's why I prefer the G36c, it's rock-steady, with pin-point accuracy at long range and has sweet iron sights to boot.
Krystal Vernet Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2009.06.24 18:19:00 - [40] Originally by: Merin Ryskin It's a terrible, terrible perk. Most people know not to stick around when they hear the sound of a grenade drop, so you really don't get very many kills with it. Dead silence is far better (no footsteps = easy ambush), or if you want the extra kills from the grave, last stand will usually get you more kills, as well as count towards your kill streak (nice when you die at six kills). The only thing martyrdom is good for is making idiots cry about it. Last Stand is hardly going to get me more kills. It's nothing to point down a bit and put the cur to rest after you've activated that perk. The same idiots that die to that probably die to martyrdom, unless you were killed by a sniper and someone runs into you after that. My hearing is at fault, likely, but I rarely hear people's foosteps at it is. I'm usually crouching for walking as it is, mostly only running if I'm crossing open ground. Near as I'm concerned, Dead Silence is pretty much a waste of a perk slot. It's not going to garner more kills for me. Marytyrdom doesn't work for everyone, but it's not a terrible, terrible perk. Even if I don't get anyone with it, it forces people to move. If any teammates are around, they can exploit that. If not, then I know where to look and be careful when I come right back. Keep in mind, I'm not using an assault rifle like a lot do. I'm not looking to kill you from a distance. And yes, it's amusing to see idiots cry about it. I might replace that perk sometime in the future, but as it is, it's been useful for me to keep it there.

Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2009.06.24 18:41:00 - [41] The only thing in the game that comes near to being annoying for me are airstrikes. Seems like on an open map once someone gets to it then it cycles endlessly so you end up hiding in a building till the map timer runs out as stepping out in the open is pretty much instadeath. Kills from airstrikes really shouldn't count towards even moar airstrikes. Helicopter are ok though as you can quickly duck under something then step back out and shoot it down.
Speshtard Amarr Nuclear Tactical Railroads	Posted - 2009.06.24 19:24:00 - [42] M40A3 \| ACOG Scope RPG-7 Stopping Power Steady Aim M40A3 RPG-7 Stopping Power Dead Silence Scorpion \| ACOG scope Bandoleer Double Tap (Lolz) Steady Aim Only classes I've ever needed (but that's because I run around at point-blank range with my M40
Veliria	Posted - 2009.06.24 22:12:00 - [43] Originally by: CCP Tuxford I hate martyrdom. You are a lot more likely to kill your teammates than you are at killing your enemy with that perk. If only...half the servers got FF off and half the team runs around with it, along with Nade3 and Sonic Boom. It should teamkill regardless of FF setting so the guy can get a proper kick for Martyring on his team all the time. The other half has teamswitchers that throw a grenade into a group of friendlies and then quickly teamswitch and get a load of kills. For some reason teamswitching doesn't count as a death. UAV should never have been added IMO, in BF2 it was annoying enough with the Sat Scan and a UAV on a small area, but a constant map wide UAV just ***s the game, but going for UAV Jammer means you lost out on damage or health. Air Strike and the Chopper (that you'll nearly always get with an Air Strike) are just free kills and ruin gameplay. Sniper rifles should do more damage, even with the Barrett on Stopping Power I get full chest shots on non-Juggernaughts and still see no kill. M4/AK47/MP5/AK74 need to be scaled down and put in line with the other weapons. G3 and G36C need a damage boost. Skorpion needs the reload fixed. CoD4 is fun (I avoid most of the lameness by going as UAV Jammed Shotgunner or Sniper), but too much stuff is there for the lamers. Nade spam, bunnyhopping, noobtubing is way too prevelant for a CoD game.
Irida Mershkov Gallente War is Bliss	Posted - 2009.06.24 23:19:00 - [44] Originally by: Veliria G3 and G36C need a damage boost. Skorpion needs the reload fixed. The G3 with a damage boost would be ******edly good in hardcore, it would be a one shot-kill regardless of where it hits. With UAV Jammer & Dead Silence it's pretty bloody uber and the only places it doesn't instantly kill are the limbs, everywhere else is a one shot, and that's with a suppressor at long range. I agree with the G36c, as I use it! What's wrong with the (superiorly awesome) Skorpions reload? I've never had a problem reloading it, but I use Sleight of Hand with it so that may have something to do with it.
DamienV Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2009.06.27 04:36:00 - [45] I just want to make a point here. We do have some interest in the server, but I do not see people pubbing on it regularly. If we do not see some usage on the server we will be shutting it down. If nobody is on, bring friends! I will be working on populating the server so that there will be people for you to play with, but for that to work, don't be shy and play :) The tournies mentioned in the OP are also in the works. Once we get the server all set, and get everything squared away in eve. Feel free to send me an evemail if you have any questions.
ctttttttt Caldari the united Negative Ten.	Posted - 2009.06.30 08:15:00 - [46] I was trying to think of something clever to say to bump this thread but i cant.
Kappas. Galaxy Punks	Posted - 2009.06.30 13:14:00 - [47] Originally by: Irida Mershkov Originally by: Veliria G3 and G36C need a damage boost. Skorpion needs the reload fixed. The G3 with a damage boost would be ******edly good in hardcore, it would be a one shot-kill regardless of where it hits. With UAV Jammer & Dead Silence it's pretty bloody uber and the only places it doesn't instantly kill are the limbs, everywhere else is a one shot, and that's with a suppressor at long range. I agree with the G36c, as I use it! What's wrong with the (superiorly awesome) Skorpions reload? I've never had a problem reloading it, but I use Sleight of Hand with it so that may have something to do with it. I usually use the G3 with the perk that increases damage, 1 shot kill no matter where you shoot them in hardcore. __________________
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2009.07.01 04:19:00 - [48] Learn to love the SAW and no matter what map or how many players are on you will always get in the top 10. intimate knowledge of the maps is essential to achieve this Originally by: Vaden Khale He's doing the moonwalk in HEE-hee-hell.
Cobalt Sixty Caldari Piezochem	Posted - 2009.07.01 09:45:00 - [49] Originally by: CCP Tuxford I hate martyrdom. You are a lot more likely to kill your teammates than you are at killing your enemy with that perk. Martyrdom + RPG + Sonic Boom = Hilarity.


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