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Kane Starkiller	Posted - 2009.06.25 20:35:00 - [91] Originally by: UMEE Edited by: UMEE on 25/06/2009 20:12:33 Originally by: Davinel Lulinvega Please don't say "irregardless". I'll let you off with a warning but other grammar police aren't as forgiving. it's a colloquial (albeit not "incorrect") way of saying regardless, as it has become accepted over the decades. but good catch. Accepted? Maybe. Then again so is the term white-out when it should be "correction fluid". Regardless, neither is in the dictionary, or any to be honest. Just because we accept something as a word does not instantly make it proper grammar. Now look, I'm ranting again.
UMEE Gunship Diplomacy	Posted - 2009.06.25 20:40:00 - [92] i havent had trouble hitting anything cruiser+ at mid-range with my sentries, even with just one omni. if i need to hit a frigate, i bust out the warriors. that being said, i dont think HACs are ideal ship types for mid-range engagements, as you hinted yourself. the ishtar is not inferior than other HACs at this range though, because it can fit a better tank (than most) and be on the higher end in terms of dps. in the end though, a pulse zealot with heat would do about the same dps as the garde ishtar, but with a much weaker tank. i suppose the zealot could hit frigates much better without the nuisance of switching drones...but id take the better tank instead any day.
UMEE Gunship Diplomacy	Posted - 2009.06.25 20:41:00 - [93] Originally by: Kane Starkiller Originally by: UMEE Edited by: UMEE on 25/06/2009 20:12:33 Originally by: Davinel Lulinvega Please don't say "irregardless". I'll let you off with a warning but other grammar police aren't as forgiving. it's a colloquial (albeit not "incorrect") way of saying regardless, as it has become accepted over the decades. but good catch. Accepted? Maybe. Then again so is the term white-out when it should be "correction fluid". Regardless, neither is in the dictionary, or any to be honest. Just because we accept something as a word does not instantly make it proper grammar. Now look, I'm ranting again. lol and im packing while trolling the forums, so tons of time here. anyway: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/irregardless
The Djego Minmatar Hellequin Inc.	Posted - 2009.06.25 21:21:00 - [94] Originally by: Dav Varan 1) Take any shield tanked ship 2) Fit a point so you can kill stuff 3) Fit a propulsion mod so you can get in range to use point 4) Fit a Cap Injector so you dont get neuted to F and blown to pieces 5) Fit a Shield Tank in the 1 or 2 slots you have left over 6) STFU The funny thing is, people actualy doing this(1-2 meds for tank) with gallente ships that have a armor repair bonus and I could not say it sucks(the oposite actualy and it is quite common this days). ---- Nerf Tank - Boost Gank! Originally by: Amantus Real men don't need to get into blaster range.
Furb Killer Gallente	Posted - 2009.06.25 21:22:00 - [95] Quote: Stil seem to me 0 drones is huge disadvantage. 1. Learn to quote, it isnt that hard. 2. Seriosu you make yourself just look like an idiot. FYI, the phobos als has no drone bay, none of the hictors have a drone bay
MEESOHONY	Posted - 2009.06.25 21:27:00 - [96] 2. Seriosu you make yourself just look like an idiot. FYI, the phobos als has no drone bay, none of the hictors have a drone bay You look like idiot also ...LOL seriousu, phobos als
Furb Killer Gallente	Posted - 2009.06.25 21:32:00 - [97] 1. your quoting still fails. 2. I dont even understand what you are trying to say in your first sentence. 3. Why not compare the ishtar with a charon, and notice charon is far better at hauling. Or compare a blackbird with a hyperion. It just doesnt make any sense, they got completely different roles.
MEESOHONY	Posted - 2009.06.25 21:35:00 - [98] Originally by: Davinel Lulinvega Edited by: Davinel Lulinvega on 25/06/2009 18:21:49 Merin can be abrasive but is usually right. Also most of your points are laughable. Warp disruptor useless? Wow. Also: Ok since you usually right ill defer to your judgment can you please tell me whats laughable? Also please explain how the disruptor fits in solo PVP Vs a Gal MWD ship? Also Isnt that Raven fit need all t2 skills to get 1200 dps? And since you have 0 target painters you cant hit anything small or fast right? So wont you do terribly vs a Gal MWD BS with a warp scram. You cant stop his MWD but he can yours then he will fly circles and kill you. This is my whole problem with disruptors, he can either leave with his MWD out of your range and since you have no ecm drones/ webs to slow him down he can also come in super close and gank you. Please explain..>Not trying to be a smart ass.
Forcerix Dragoon Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2009.06.25 21:40:00 - [99] Furb why are you numbering your posts
Furb Killer Gallente	Posted - 2009.06.25 21:40:00 - [100] Edited by: Furb Killer on 25/06/2009 21:41:42 Edited by: Furb Killer on 25/06/2009 21:40:38 MWD'ing blows up your sig radius, so torp damage wont go down (well not that much at least). And while this is a forum where no one gives that much about correct english, I got to read your text three times before i understand what you mean. A bit cleared would be handy. And if you make a quote you use: [ quote]The text to be quoted here[ /quote] Obviously without the spaces. Edit: Numbering posts because sometimes it is clearer, and it gets people to react on all points and not pick out some points to react on (which kinda failed this time).
Traderboz SlaveMart	Posted - 2009.06.25 21:41:00 - [101] Not that I really care, but I need a break from writing and I'm bored. From your own dictionary link: Quote: it has met with a blizzard of condemnation for being an improper yoking of irrespective and regardless and for the logical absurdity of combining the negative ir- prefix and -less suffix in a single term. Apparently the blizzard of condemnation is widespread enough to cover internet forums. Quote: an erroneous word So accepted or not, it's still improper. Quote: Those who use it, including on occasion educated speakers And apparently only accepted by uneducated people. Not looking good. Quote: it has been considered a blunder for decades and will probably continue to be so. Woops.
Lan Balhaan	Posted - 2009.06.25 22:02:00 - [102] whether you think gallente need to be buffed depends upon the type of pvp you take part in, and also your budget: solo: vexor or thorax both work solo, full t2 fit should not cost you more than 25mil at the most. ishkur is a sweet little ship, personally only ever got beat by a harpy AF vs AF. ishtar is obviously better than all the above, probably not as good as vaga/curse at solo in a cruiser hull but not far behind. if you dont like it, cross train and stop whining :) myrmidon solo is a common sight in lowsec, but has few other applications imo. dominix solo is touted as one of the best around, due to its flexibility., several different fits concerning this ship in that repective field of pvp. taranis. sick little ship if flown correctly, i personally cant decide whether rails are better than blasters on this ship in general. small gang: vexor and thorax gank fits. insane dps for t1 cruisers. just be in a kamikaze mood!! arazu. has a nishe role if employed in counterpart with approprtiate ships, for example, with a few stealth bombers in a sneaky cloaky gang, or in a hac/recon gang. tho i know most people would still prefer the falcon... ishtar. good ship, though as it is primarily a drone boat, the drone travel time would impact upon its effectiveness. iv never used sentries myself with the ishtar, so if they are viable in small gang work tell me. brutix. for its huuuuge dps, up to 1000dps for a max skilled pilot, and its relatively cheap too if insured. shield tank it too if you have dedicated tacklers, think i got 700 dps 50k sheild tanker setup knocking about somewhere... i dont have any personal experience with gallente command ships, so ill be leaving them out of this. BS! megathron: decent sniper. the tracking bonus can be a great boon for fleet on fleet engagements when trying to shoot smaller targets. also can field 5 sentries, i dont personally but its helpful for POS bashing. in most other fields, due to web and speed nerf, mega is outclassed by other ships, especially amarr. dominix: is great in BS rr gang due to lots of utlitity highs and the ability to use 5 heavy repair drones also. the gangs most felxible ship.
Niko Takahashi	Posted - 2009.06.25 22:40:00 - [103] Originally by: Griff Skyshock Lots of words itt The best ship in Eve is friendship This Put that LOL arazu together with a LOL HAM Cerberus and whoever is on the other side is not LOLing no more If you don't like flying Gallente ships don't.
Davinel Lulinvega	Posted - 2009.06.25 23:35:00 - [104] Edited by: Davinel Lulinvega on 25/06/2009 23:36:00 Originally by: MEESOHONY Originally by: Davinel Lulinvega Edited by: Davinel Lulinvega on 25/06/2009 18:21:49 Merin can be abrasive but is usually right. Also most of your points are laughable. Warp disruptor useless? Wow. Also: Ok since you usually right ill defer to your judgment can you please tell me whats laughable? Also please explain how the disruptor fits in solo PVP Vs a Gal MWD ship? Also Isnt that Raven fit need all t2 skills to get 1200 dps? And since you have 0 target painters you cant hit anything small or fast right? So wont you do terribly vs a Gal MWD BS with a warp scram. You cant stop his MWD but he can yours then he will fly circles and kill you. This is my whole problem with disruptors, he can either leave with his MWD out of your range and since you have no ecm drones/ webs to slow him down he can also come in super close and gank you. Please explain..>Not trying to be a smart ass. Yes it's a t2 fit. Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generator Extron (hereafter referred to as PWNAGE) is a painter. He's not going to be mwding because battleship 1v1s don't happen in the wild and he will be fully tackled by an actual tackler. The point is only there because in a gang it's a good idea for every ship in point range to have one. An mwding blaster mega isn't going to be running circles around anything anyway. It's not maneuverable enough. It's going to mwd into range and then turn it off. I also fixed your quoting issue for you.
Grarr Dexx Amarr Corp 1 Allstars	Posted - 2009.06.26 00:10:00 - [105] As an Amarr, I sometimes wished I was a Gallente pilot. I seriously can't see the whines here? Taranis, Ishkur, Vexor, Thorax, Ishtar, Arazu, Astarte, Dominix, Megathron, Hyperion (insane 1v1 boat), Thanatos, Nyx. I seriously wished I could fly these mother****ers.
Deaudlus	Posted - 2009.06.26 00:39:00 - [106] Originally by: Grarr Dexx As an Amarr, I sometimes wished I was a Gallente pilot. I seriously can't see the whines here? Taranis, Ishkur, Vexor, Thorax, Ishtar, Arazu, Astarte, Dominix, Megathron, Hyperion (insane 1v1 boat), Thanatos, Nyx. I seriously wished I could fly these mother****ers. You would honestly rather fly an arazu or astarte instead of a curse or abso?
The Djego Minmatar Hellequin Inc.	Posted - 2009.06.26 00:58:00 - [107] Originally by: Grarr Dexx As an Amarr, I sometimes wished I was a Gallente pilot. I seriously can't see the whines here? Taranis, Ishkur, Vexor, Thorax, Ishtar, Arazu, Astarte, Dominix, Megathron, Hyperion (insane 1v1 boat), Thanatos, Nyx. I seriously wished I could fly these mother****ers. You won¦t miss anything out in the BC/BS class(not inluding Cruiser since the Omen is still to short on Grid and the Maller sucks), it¦s basicly the same with a lot less range, more MWDing around and and a Domi. I personaly miss the insane 1v1 boats since QR(not realy the Hype but Blasterships in general) since many of her advantages are gone in this quite limited role. It is not that I dislike my Amarr char or the ships but I actualy miss the old feeling and abilitys of Blasterships that let me put 2.5 years and about 50 M Sp into them.
Essence Praetor Retribution. Inc.	Posted - 2009.06.26 01:59:00 - [108] Have you ever noticed that some pilots seem to rock no matter what they are flying. And others seem to suck no matter what decide to cross train for? There is a right tool for a right job. It is also highly situational. Get.... over.... It....
Marquis Jeladriel	Posted - 2009.06.26 05:39:00 - [109] Originally by: Essence Praetor Have you ever noticed that some pilots seem to rock no matter what they are flying. And others seem to suck no matter what decide to cross train for? There is a right tool for a right job. It is also highly situational. Get.... over.... It.... ^^ This Good ships/Bad ships - 99% of the time, ship lose is due to critical failure of the nut behind the wheel.
Gods Coldblood Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2009.06.26 07:44:00 - [110] they have the best sensor dampening ship iwin iwin iwin iwin iwin iwin iwin iwin iwin iwin iwin iwin iwin iwin iwin iwin iwin iwin iwin iwin iwin? ___________________________ My video Way of the Warrior - Modern day Warrior
Tranquil Vengence	Posted - 2009.06.26 08:16:00 - [111] If you're not ready to take your ship, smash it into another ship as hard and as fast as you can, spam it with blasters and drones while making threats in local like a hyperactive badger, than you need a different race. Galente absolutely excel at laying on thick damage before the target even knows they're being attacked. It fits perfectly with the race, all flash, and hope they take that extra second to fight back. Go ahead, ask anyone I've jumped with my Hyperion, that ship is the last thing you want closing from 30km to 5 in 15 seconds before you can get the hell out of dodge. (But yeah, sensor damps? Can we swap that please?)
Sandrinne Mirterois Minmatar Alenia Labs	Posted - 2009.06.26 08:28:00 - [112] Edited by: Sandrinne Mirterois on 26/06/2009 08:31:05 Originally by: Ignatious Mei Gal arent the best in any class. crap... I'm sorry: you sir R JUST OWNED Iteron V Is the best in his category i know you are talking about pvp man. but the issue "mummy they just blowed up my shield buffer mega :tears:" is not part of my eve. Adapt or die. <-- minmatar do both better ninja grammar edit -------- ...qui repentius currunt.... don't need to tank =)
Caius Sivaris Dark Nexxus	Posted - 2009.06.26 10:07:00 - [113] Originally by: Merin Ryskin The blaster ships are pure trash indeed
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2009.06.26 10:21:00 - [114] Originally by: MEESOHONY Hams do what 25% more than HM`s and still doesn`t change weak tank, and it basically takes the Cerb deeper in the world of the WEB/ecm drones Not an advantage at all. Please show me cerb setup your talkin about. Hint to the clueless: HAM Cerberus = 45km range with 550 dps, with a tank comparable to the other HACs. Quote: Simple: the Onyx has a far better tank, and tank is what counts for HICs. Stil seem to me 0 drones is huge disadvantage. Hint to the clueless: ALL HICs have zero drone bay. And reading your later posts, I see you're trying to compare the Onyx to the Ishtar. You are a moron, since last time I checked, the Ishtar can not fit a bubble, and therefore can not compete with the Onyx at all. Quote: -Please send me 1200 dps fit, I wanna see if its a EFT warrior fit or a practical one that uses target painters etc. Im all in favor of raven Its only BS i own I love it, but from what Ive seen its outclassed In pVP from domi and still a little by mega, because superior drones. I wanna see your raven badly. Since golems dont get that as average DPS. It's not complicated. 6x T2 torps, 3x BCU, buffer + painters in mids. Quote: Blah blah Ishkur is good. Are you illiterate or something? I already said the Ishkur was a good ship, it's just not the unkillable solo pwnmobile that some people think it is. Quote: Even with med t2 drones its a powerhouse, pluse if 1 drone webs 4 Heavy drones will tear that target apart. With medium drones, it does the least damage of all the HACs, and is completely outclassed by the Curse. With 4x heavies + a web drone, even if the web drone can actually slow down the target with only a 20% web effect and not just insta-pop, congratulations, now you have less damage than all the other HACs. Quote: Disruptors are useless and not a true tackle, I will just MWD all around you until out of dist range or,If you tryed that on 90% of my gal buddys they would be stoked it gives them chance to get you in range since you allow MWD. I just dont see it. Since most GALs use mwds you are committing suicide by giving them best advantage they have. Why exactly are we assuming that the Gallente ship is faster than the ship tackling it? This would not be a good bet. PS: I'm fitting my own MWD. PPS: if you think warp disruptors are not true tackle, you're a moron. I've killed a LOT of people flying solo with only a warp disruptor for tackle. Quote: Not outclassed in isk and most roaming PVP guys wanna get in strike get out fast, most BC`s dont do that well. You wanna kill them before there friends come. And usually BC`s take a while to fight engage and finish it then loot the dead by the nyou could get jumped And even great PVPers lose ships alot. Hint to the clueless: the Hurricane has the speed and agility of a cruiser. Hint to the clueless: once you count proper fittings and insurance for each ship, the cost difference between a T1 cruiser and a BC is tiny compared to the difference in performance. Hint to the clueless: BC dps >>>>>>>>>>>>> T1 cruiser dps. A BC will kill MUCH faster than a T1 cruiser, so if you're concerned about getting jumped before you can score the kill and get out, the BC is the correct choice, not the cruiser.
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2009.06.26 10:25:00 - [115] Originally by: MEESOHONY Also Isnt that Raven fit need all t2 skills to get 1200 dps? Yes. But what's your point? A Megathron suffers the same damage loss as a Raven from lack of perfect skills, what matters is the relative performance. Quote: And since you have 0 target painters you cant hit anything small or fast right? Hint to the clueless: torp Ravens fit painters unless they have a support ship with a painter. Quote: So wont you do terribly vs a Gal MWD BS with a warp scram. You cant stop his MWD but he can yours then he will fly circles and kill you. This is my whole problem with disruptors, he can either leave with his MWD out of your range and since you have no ecm drones/ webs to slow him down he can also come in super close and gank you. Please explain..>Not trying to be a smart ass. Hint to the clueless: you're making two poor assumptions: 1) That you magically teleport into scramble range. In the real world, I MWD away from you, forcing you to chase me and slowly (if ever) get into range. By the time you can web/scram me (if you ever do), I've already done so much damage to you that you will not catch up before you die. And unlike your guns, mine have no tracking problems at close range, and can hit for full damage all the way out to 25km. 2) That a MWD on a battleship actually gives you damage reduction. MWD around all you want, all you're doing is wasting your cap.
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2009.06.26 10:26:00 - [116] Originally by: Caius Sivaris Originally by: Merin Ryskin The blaster ships are pure trash indeed Let's see... the larger gang with more blaster ships (and 3x Falcons! WTF!) was destroyed without scoring a single kill. Yes, I'd say that's a good argument for blasters sucking.
Caius Sivaris Dark Nexxus	Posted - 2009.06.26 12:04:00 - [117] Originally by: Merin Ryskin Originally by: Caius Sivaris Originally by: Merin Ryskin The blaster ships are pure trash indeed Let's see... the larger gang with more blaster ships (and 3x Falcons! WTF!) was destroyed without scoring a single kill. Yes, I'd say that's a good argument for blasters sucking. Let's see... the larger gang with more laser ships (and 3x Falcons! WTF!) was destroyed without scoring a single kill. Yes, I'd say that's a good argument for lasers sucking. You too, can argue like Merin in one easy step.
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2009.06.26 12:21:00 - [118] Originally by: Caius Sivaris Let's see... the larger gang with more laser ships (and 3x Falcons! WTF!) was destroyed without scoring a single kill. Yes, I'd say that's a good argument for lasers sucking. You too, can argue like Merin in one easy step. WTS: sense of humor. Obviously that fight doesn't prove anything. With nearly a 1 to 1 ratio of ECM ships to targets and a huge advantage in numbers, the dead gang was clearly either a bunch of incompetent morons, or lagged out too badly to fight effectively. -----------
Caius Sivaris Dark Nexxus	Posted - 2009.06.26 12:32:00 - [119] Originally by: Merin Ryskin Originally by: Caius Sivaris Let's see... the larger gang with more laser ships (and 3x Falcons! WTF!) was destroyed without scoring a single kill. Yes, I'd say that's a good argument for lasers sucking. You too, can argue like Merin in one easy step. WTS: sense of humor. Obviously that fight doesn't prove anything. With nearly a 1 to 1 ratio of ECM ships to targets and a huge advantage in numbers, the dead gang was clearly either a bunch of incompetent morons, or lagged out too badly to fight effectively. http://www.battledb.com/2009/06/17/catchhed-gp-aaa-c-suicide-squad-vs-cry-havoc-june-17-0730/ Did you miss the logistics one one side and not the other? Fact is, a gank Deimos is the perfect ship to fly when you got logistics making its brittleness a non issue.
OKAAAAAAAAAAAAAR	Posted - 2009.06.26 12:40:00 - [120] Originally by: Caius Sivaris Originally by: Merin Ryskin Originally by: Caius Sivaris Let's see... the larger gang with more laser ships (and 3x Falcons! WTF!) was destroyed without scoring a single kill. Yes, I'd say that's a good argument for lasers sucking. You too, can argue like Merin in one easy step. WTS: sense of humor. Obviously that fight doesn't prove anything. With nearly a 1 to 1 ratio of ECM ships to targets and a huge advantage in numbers, the dead gang was clearly either a bunch of incompetent morons, or lagged out too badly to fight effectively. http://www.battledb.com/2009/06/17/catchhed-gp-aaa-c-suicide-squad-vs-cry-havoc-june-17-0730/ Did you miss the logistics one one side and not the other? Fact is, a gank Deimos is the perfect ship to fly when you got logistics making its brittleness a non issue. And yet it still isn't worth bringing over a gank thorax. (If you REALLY want to bring blaster ships at all that is).

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