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Psilocybe Semilanceata	Posted - 2009.06.24 20:50:00 - [1] Edited by: Psilocybe Semilanceata on 24/06/2009 20:53:12 I've been flying gallante ships since late 06, and it seems to me that in alot of cases, other races of ships are better. With the exception of the domi and the ishtar, gallante pvp ships are always one-upped by same-category-different-race ships. I'm anticipating the learn to fly flames, unfortunately I don't care : )
Traderboz	Posted - 2009.06.24 20:52:00 - [2] Originally by: Psilocybe Semilanceata Amarr ships :D
Tongxuemen	Posted - 2009.06.24 20:54:00 - [3] Originally by: Traderboz Originally by: Psilocybe Semilanceata Amarr ships :D Oh lawd i lol'd
Regat Kozovv Caldari Alcothology	Posted - 2009.06.24 20:56:00 - [4] Originally by: Psilocybe Semilanceata Caldari pvp ships are always one-upped by same-category-different-race ships. I'm anticipating the learn to fly flames, unfortunately I don't care : ) Fixed? =)
Dirk Magnum Royal Hiigaran Navy SCUM.	Posted - 2009.06.24 21:09:00 - [5] Posting in bizarro world thread.
Ignatious Mei	Posted - 2009.06.24 21:10:00 - [6] Originally by: Regat Kozovv Originally by: Psilocybe Semilanceata Caldari pvp ships are always one-upped by same-category-different-race ships. I'm anticipating the learn to fly flames, unfortunately I don't care : ) Fixed? =) caldari and gallente are both a bit boned atm. Gal have the domi and the ishtar and caldari have the raven and the falcon/rook. Don't try to make it out like caldari are any worse off then gallente though.
Eithen Kihne	Posted - 2009.06.24 21:12:00 - [7] Originally by: Ignatious Mei Originally by: Regat Kozovv Originally by: Psilocybe Semilanceata Caldari pvp ships are always one-upped by same-category-different-race ships. I'm anticipating the learn to fly flames, unfortunately I don't care : ) Fixed? =) caldari and gallente are both a bit boned atm. Gal have the domi and the ishtar and caldari have the raven and the falcon/rook. Don't try to make it out like caldari are any worse off then gallente though. This.
Dirk Magnum Royal Hiigaran Navy SCUM.	Posted - 2009.06.24 21:15:00 - [8] Originally by: Eithen Kihne Originally by: Ignatious Mei Originally by: Regat Kozovv Originally by: Psilocybe Semilanceata Caldari pvp ships are always one-upped by same-category-different-race ships. I'm anticipating the learn to fly flames, unfortunately I don't care : ) Fixed? =) caldari and gallente are both a bit boned atm. Gal have the domi and the ishtar and caldari have the raven and the falcon/rook. Don't try to make it out like caldari are any worse off then gallente though. This. What is bad about Gallente apart from the MWD/short scram thing?
Ignatious Mei	Posted - 2009.06.24 21:23:00 - [9] Gal arent the best in any class. They are outshined in hacs, hics, BS's, BC's, recons. They dont really have a "best ship" in any gategory. The domi and ishtar are both nice but not the "best"
Andrest Disch Amarr Debitum Naturae	Posted - 2009.06.24 21:30:00 - [10] Originally by: Ignatious Mei Gal arent the best in any class. They are outshined in hacs, hics, BS's, BC's, recons. They dont really have a "best ship" in any gategory. The domi and ishtar are both nice but not the "best" .. there's a best ship? In my eve? Common sense tells us that we're always going to be regretting something, or wishing we could do something else when in any PvP scenario. troll posts engage
Ignatious Mei	Posted - 2009.06.24 21:37:00 - [11] Originally by: Andrest Disch Originally by: Ignatious Mei Gal arent the best in any class. They are outshined in hacs, hics, BS's, BC's, recons. They dont really have a "best ship" in any gategory. The domi and ishtar are both nice but not the "best" .. there's a best ship? In my eve? Common sense tells us that we're always going to be regretting something, or wishing we could do something else when in any PvP scenario. troll posts engage Seriously, give it a rest. When you think great recon you think rapier or curse or falcon, NOT arazu. When you think great hac you think Zealot, vaga, and maybe the ishtar isnt bad. When you think great hic you think "Man, the tank on that onyx is KILLER!. When you think creat CS you think broadsword or abso, NOT astarte. When you think great BC you think cane or drake, NOT gimped myrm. Take your "troll post engage" and blow it out you @ss.
ddr800	Posted - 2009.06.24 21:48:00 - [12] Quote: Gal arent the best in any class. They are outshined in hacs, hics, BS's, BC's, recons. They dont really have a "best ship" in any gategory. The domi and ishtar are both nice but not the "best" Your obviously not doing it right or have low SP. Ishtar+Elite drone Operator + nearly maxed shield skills is the win. Yes the gallente donÆt get any quick and easy pvp Gank ships. But at the top level nobody stands strong against an Ishtar dpsing 585, with 54,925 effective hps. Put 185+ days into Ishtar training and related skills and you will change your tune pretty quick. The reason for this misconception I would say is due to the rarity of a nearly maxed ishtar pilot, Most people go for the quick low skill gank ships.
Ignatious Mei	Posted - 2009.06.24 21:58:00 - [13] Originally by: ddr800 Quote: Gal arent the best in any class. They are outshined in hacs, hics, BS's, BC's, recons. They dont really have a "best ship" in any gategory. The domi and ishtar are both nice but not the "best" Your obviously not doing it right or have low SP. Ishtar+Elite drone Operator + nearly maxed shield skills is the win. Yes the gallente donÆt get any quick and easy pvp Gank ships. But at the top level nobody stands strong against an Ishtar dpsing 585, with 54,925 effective hps. Put 185+ days into Ishtar training and related skills and you will change your tune pretty quick. The reason for this misconception I would say is due to the rarity of a nearly maxed ishtar pilot, Most people go for the quick low skill gank ships. The ishtar is a good ship. But it is not any better then a zealot or a vaga. Like I said before, we are not the best in any class. Not all of our ships suck however we dont have any that really scream FLY MEH!!! Command ships? Nope, recons? Nope. Hic? Nope. Hac? Ishtar is pretty good but not the best in it's class.
Dirk Magnum Royal Hiigaran Navy SCUM.	Posted - 2009.06.24 22:08:00 - [14] Blaster boats have an obvious disadvantage now with the slower overall speeds and susceptibility to scrambling but in the DPS department Gallente usually exceed the other races. You just have to get close enough to employ it. The way I see it blaster boats have been turned into gang ships, just like Caldari sniper boats. If you have a fast tackler than can scram/web someone then Gallente are what you'd look to in order to finish it off as fast as possible.
The Djego Minmatar Hellequin Inc.	Posted - 2009.06.24 22:43:00 - [15] @OP you are way late to realise this. @the alt bragging about 6 month maxing a Ishtar, I have spend years to max out the Mega and all required gunnerys, fitting, rigging, support, drone skills. A Blastership requires way more SP to be effective than a drone ship unfortunaly atm it isn¦t realy worth it. Originally by: Dirk Magnum Blaster boats have an obvious disadvantage now with the slower overall speeds and susceptibility to scrambling but in the DPS department Gallente usually exceed the other races. You just have to get close enough to employ it. The way I see it blaster boats have been turned into gang ships, just like Caldari sniper boats. If you have a fast tackler than can scram/web someone then Gallente are what you'd look to in order to finish it off as fast as possible. The only Problem here you preaty mutch try to fill a role that is better filled by a Amarr ships in most of the cases/current gang settings(exept static RR BS vs RR BS gang). QR didn¦t make them more effective gang ships, only made them less effective solo ships.
Cambarus The Baros Syndicate Onslaught.	Posted - 2009.06.24 23:22:00 - [16] Edited by: Cambarus on 24/06/2009 23:23:37 Blasters need to be fixed, but that's about it. We'll go by class to see what the gallente have that's good for pvp: Cruisers: Thorax, vexor. BCs: Brutix, Myrm. BSs: Dominix (one of the best overall pvp ships in the game) AFs: Ishkur is awesome, period. Ceptors: 300+ DPS ranis anyone? Dictors are pretty similar so meh HACs: Ishtar is win, arguably the best at solo work (mayyyybe the vaga beats it out, but if you're hunting ratters and whatnot IMO the ishtar is still better) Command ships: Eos is severely underrated, it does suck as a fleet command ship, but it can do scary things when fit like a thorax with a massive tank and some neuts ^_^. I'd still take the abso over it mind you, but hey we can't have the best of everything can we? :P Our hictor sucks, everyone knows it, but when you've only got one type of a ship class for each race there's obviously going to be one that's better and one that's worse. Oh and let's not forget the navy vexor. A cruiser that costs less than a HAC and puts out the DPS of a CS/BS? Yes please That being said, with the recent changes to scrams and MWDs, many gallente blasterboats got shafted. Give blasters more raw DPS to compensate for their crazy short range (they don't even do a full 20% than MPs which have 10X the optimal >_> ) EDIT: Forgot recons. Arazu is an awesome ship if you use it properly. Arazu + Stealth bombers are win, arazu warps in cloaked, tackles the target from 45km away, keeps him damped so that he can't lock anything up and brings in his SB buddies to om nom the target.
Morgan La'Chance Caldari Dynamic Reallocation and Logistics	Posted - 2009.06.24 23:36:00 - [17] Beyond the Deimos and the situational complaints about BS blasterboats, Gallente ships are all around very good. Nothing gimp about them.
Draulin Gallente	Posted - 2009.06.24 23:42:00 - [18] Originally by: Ignatious Mei Gal arent the best in any class. They are outshined in hacs, hics, BS's, BC's, recons. They dont really have a "best ship" in any gategory. The domi and ishtar are both nice but not the "best" Exception: Ishkur.
Psiri	Posted - 2009.06.24 23:47:00 - [19] Edited by: Psiri on 24/06/2009 23:47:18 Originally by: Draulin Originally by: Ignatious Mei Gal arent the best in any class. They are outshined in hacs, hics, BS's, BC's, recons. They dont really have a "best ship" in any gategory. The domi and ishtar are both nice but not the "best" Exception: Ishkur. - and Taranis. EDIT: Imo, Vexor aswell.
Ignatious Mei	Posted - 2009.06.24 23:48:00 - [20] Originally by: Cambarus Edited by: Cambarus on 24/06/2009 23:23:37 Blasters need to be fixed, but that's about it. We'll go by class to see what the gallente have that's good for pvp: Cruisers: Thorax, vexor. BCs: Brutix, Myrm. BSs: Dominix (one of the best overall pvp ships in the game) AFs: Ishkur is awesome, period. Ceptors: 300+ DPS ranis anyone? Dictors are pretty similar so meh HACs: Ishtar is win, arguably the best at solo work (mayyyybe the vaga beats it out, but if you're hunting ratters and whatnot IMO the ishtar is still better) Command ships: Eos is severely underrated, it does suck as a fleet command ship, but it can do scary things when fit like a thorax with a massive tank and some neuts ^_^. I'd still take the abso over it mind you, but hey we can't have the best of everything can we? :P Our hictor sucks, everyone knows it, but when you've only got one type of a ship class for each race there's obviously going to be one that's better and one that's worse. Oh and let's not forget the navy vexor. A cruiser that costs less than a HAC and puts out the DPS of a CS/BS? Yes please That being said, with the recent changes to scrams and MWDs, many gallente blasterboats got shafted. Give blasters more raw DPS to compensate for their crazy short range (they don't even do a full 20% than MPs which have 10X the optimal >_> ) EDIT: Forgot recons. Arazu is an awesome ship if you use it properly. Arazu + Stealth bombers are win, arazu warps in cloaked, tackles the target from 45km away, keeps him damped so that he can't lock anything up and brings in his SB buddies to om nom the target. Cruisers - Quality t1 cruisers are great for people getting their feet wet in PvP but overall your not going to see a lot of 5 mil+ SP pilots flying them for real PvP work. BC's - Brutix is a glass cannon gank boat that suffers from the aforementioned blaster issue. Myrm is a joke. Its a BC drone boat with the same bandwidth as it's cruiser cousin. Has a crap ton of high slots but no turret bonus. AF's - Once again, fun ships to fly but any races get eaten by warrior II's. Ceptors - 300 DPS taranis is nice, I'll give you that but it's still a frig in a age rulled by hacs/recons and RR BS's. Dictors - I agree Hacs - Ishtar is win but it's no more win then a zealot or a vaga. Not to mention name another Hac where it's DPS can be targeted and destroyed. Command Ships - Exactly my point, we don't have the best of ANYTHING. I have 28 mil SP's. 8 mil of that is in drones. The only gal ship in my hangar is the ishtar and thats only because I dont have amarr cruiser 5 (yet). Now I will admit that it depends on where and how you PvP. In 0.0 it's either remote rep BS (And at that point it doesnt really matter, one works just as well as another) but mostly it is hacs, recons and BC's. Our hac is good but so is everyone elses. The arazu is useful in a very limited amount of circumstances. Next time you are in a gang ask on vent before you leave if they would prefer you fly a falcon or a arazu. let me know what they say... The myrm has been gimped ever since bandwidth was introduced. Up it to 100 and I'll be happy. Before the nano nerf the ishtar was a GREAT ship. Probably the best HAC in game and that made me feel a bit better. I didn't care that our recon and command ships sucked as I had something t2 which was really good. The problem is that the ishtar is the ONLY t2 gal ship worth flying. In a game with a crap tons of ships, and a billion mods, gal have 1 good t2 ship. If CCP fixed the arazu I would be happy. Remove the damp bonus, give it a bonus to EW drone effectiveness and give it 50m3 bandwidth and 150m3 drone bay. Making the Deimos something other then a floating coffin would be nice bonus as well. Oh, and also, why does Amarr get the droneboat recon ship? Ok, I'm done. Just realized how whiney I sound.
Bestofworst Gallente	Posted - 2009.06.24 23:50:00 - [21] Megathron: ..watches pvp videos I'm glad I'm gall
Koloch Amarr	Posted - 2009.06.25 00:48:00 - [22] Originally by: Ignatious Mei Cruisers - Quality t1 cruisers are great for people getting their feet wet in PvP but overall your not going to see a lot of 5 mil+ SP pilots flying them for real PvP work. BC's - Brutix is a glass cannon gank boat that suffers from the aforementioned blaster issue. Myrm is a joke. Its a BC drone boat with the same bandwidth as it's cruiser cousin. Has a crap ton of high slots but no turret bonus. AF's - Once again, fun ships to fly but any races get eaten by warrior II's. Ceptors - 300 DPS taranis is nice, I'll give you that but it's still a frig in a age rulled by hacs/recons and RR BS's. Dictors - I agree Hacs - Ishtar is win but it's no more win then a zealot or a vaga. Not to mention name another Hac where it's DPS can be targeted and destroyed. Command Ships - Exactly my point, we don't have the best of ANYTHING. I have 28 mil SP's. 8 mil of that is in drones. The only gal ship in my hangar is the ishtar and thats only because I dont have amarr cruiser 5 (yet). Now I will admit that it depends on where and how you PvP. In 0.0 it's either remote rep BS (And at that point it doesnt really matter, one works just as well as another) but mostly it is hacs, recons and BC's. Our hac is good but so is everyone elses. The arazu is useful in a very limited amount of circumstances. Next time you are in a gang ask on vent before you leave if they would prefer you fly a falcon or a arazu. let me know what they say... The myrm has been gimped ever since bandwidth was introduced. Up it to 100 and I'll be happy. Before the nano nerf the ishtar was a GREAT ship. Probably the best HAC in game and that made me feel a bit better. I didn't care that our recon and command ships sucked as I had something t2 which was really good. The problem is that the ishtar is the ONLY t2 gal ship worth flying. In a game with a crap tons of ships, and a billion mods, gal have 1 good t2 ship. If CCP fixed the arazu I would be happy. Remove the damp bonus, give it a bonus to EW drone effectiveness and give it 50m3 bandwidth and 150m3 drone bay. Making the Deimos something other then a floating coffin would be nice bonus as well. Oh, and also, why does Amarr get the droneboat recon ship? Ok, I'm done. Just realized how whiney I sound. you have 28 mil sp and 8 in drones. Man I'd love to see your skill breakdown. Either it's extremely focused in cruiser skills or you're lacking in skills.
KiloAlpha Southern Cross Trilogy	Posted - 2009.06.25 01:00:00 - [23] Originally by: Ignatious Mei Originally by: ddr800 Quote: Gal arent the best in any class. They are outshined in hacs, hics, BS's, BC's, recons. They dont really have a "best ship" in any gategory. The domi and ishtar are both nice but not the "best" Your obviously not doing it right or have low SP. Ishtar+Elite drone Operator + nearly maxed shield skills is the win. Yes the gallente donÆt get any quick and easy pvp Gank ships. But at the top level nobody stands strong against an Ishtar dpsing 585, with 54,925 effective hps. Put 185+ days into Ishtar training and related skills and you will change your tune pretty quick. The reason for this misconception I would say is due to the rarity of a nearly maxed ishtar pilot, Most people go for the quick low skill gank ships. The ishtar is a good ship. But it is not any better then a zealot or a vaga. Like I said before, we are not the best in any class. Not all of our ships suck however we dont have any that really scream FLY MEH!!! Command ships? Nope, recons? Nope. Hic? Nope. Hac? Ishtar is pretty good but not the best in it's class. well your almost right but at least 1v1 the vaga is going to have a hard time killing a ishtar. 2 vaga's now thats a different story
The Djego Minmatar Hellequin Inc.	Posted - 2009.06.25 01:03:00 - [24] Originally by: Bestofworst Megathron: ..watches pvp videos I'm glad I'm gall Cool story bro, how about actualy flying one solo instead of watching vids? Some people might realising that the ship has lots of issues vs smaller ships, other well fitted gank BS(Raven, Gedon, Phoon) or heavy tanked/buffered BS(Abaddon, Hype, Meal, Rohk, Domi) because of the higher movement under Web, Scrams and the speed nerf that reduced your peek DPS at blasterrange and made it take longer till you are actualy in range since QR. --------- I can¦t remember any thread where people sayed the drone ships are bad(exept the Eos, what is still a preaty pointless CS for gang links and not even a real Drone ship anymore). The thing people *****ing about is the Blaster lineup(mostly by her shortcommings when it comes to solo/very small gangs since QR). The ability to control range within web range effective and precise plus reducing trasversial to a minimum once you are there is the biggest issue here. This are simply things that don¦t work this good with a single 60% web at point blank, leave alone all the fights I had no MWD(thx to the scrams) to actualy adjust range within web range with medium blaster platforms. Also the Damp ships are mostly niche ships since a very long time now since they didn¦t get anything to compensate for the general damp nerf.
Kail Storm	Posted - 2009.06.25 01:08:00 - [25] Ok my take on this is... "Cruisers - Quality t1 cruisers are great for people getting their feet wet in PvP but overall your not going to see a lot of 5 mil+ SP pilots flying them for real PvP work." In losec this is by far NOT TRUE I disagree i see tons of 15-30 mil pilots using t1 Vexxor or Thorax because they in general are some of the best solo PVP boats, They dont cost much, they are pretty nimble and can kill somethings up to BC with ease if you have proper skills. Since BS is super expensive to lose and will get eaten alive in losec because they slow and once jammed will have every pirate helping to kill the BS for the K mail in the system. "BC's - Brutix is a glass cannon gank boat that suffers from the aforementioned blaster issue." Blaster issue almost null to me in losec solo pvp. In nowadays solo pvp everyone who knows how to fight fits a scram instead of distruptor. This makes the fights become "knife fight" [tops 10km] range. This means that if the enemy ship has to choose to either stay out of range of the blasters and web drones and give up his chance to scram you so when you have low enough HP`s you just warp out or MWD out of or into range. or take the Huge risk of coming in your killzone and being dead rather quikly. Also since drones are one of the best ways to web a target you can slow them up until you are in range. Myrm is a joke. Its a BC drone boat with the same bandwidth as it's cruiser cousin. Has a crap ton of high slots but no turret bonus. LOL Myrms extra hi slots are its bonus. AF's - Once again, fun ships to fly but any races get eaten by warrior II's. But still they own the solo market on these, you can argue mim AF`s but to me Ishkur is the one stop shop of AF`s, Since light drones are leathal at eating Frigs and you have 5 and 3 blasters wow enough said. Ceptors - 300 DPS taranis is nice, I'll give you that but it's still a frig in a age rulled by hacs/recons and RR BS's. Dude you show me a Gang or fleet that would turn down a tackling Gal Inty. This ship can turn the tide of a group fight since it almost cant me hit and can tackle its victim with its heavy support. Hacs - Ishtar is win but it's no more win then a zealot or a vaga. Not to mention name another Hac where it's DPS can be targeted and destroyed. It doesnt have to be better just differant an equal should be enough. Thats where pilot comes in Command Ships - Exactly my point, we don't have the best of ANYTHING. To me best T1 Cruisers are Vexxor/Thorax. Ammarr is great but to me the versitility of there drones is amazing. To me they are the most versitile weps in the game, Not only are they guns they can be weblifiers jammers etc. To be caldari when you want ewar you have to sacrifice tank. You can have webs and jammers and not use middleslots. And yes they can be targeted but that means the yarent targeting you while you are fighting or escaping. I have 28 mil SP's. 8 mil of that is in drones. The only gal ship in my hangar is the ishtar and thats only because I dont have amarr cruiser 5 (yet). Before the nano nerf the ishtar was a GREAT ship. Probably the best HAC in game and that made me feel a bit better. I didn't care that our recon and command ships sucked as I had something t2 which was really good. The problem is that the ishtar is the ONLY t2 gal ship worth flying. So only fly it.I dont care if its the only good t2 ship if im flying it. Tell me you`d rather be caldari HAC lol. Eagle, Cerb in solo pvp anyone? lol Oh, and also, why does Amarr get the droneboat recon ship? I agree stupid if I get stiffed as Caldari so should they Ok, I'm done. Just realized how whiney I sound. All I can say is if I could do it over I wouldnt mind gal at all, i might go ammarr more because I love the harby and dont like the bulbous looks but besides that they are deadly in solo pvp work, probably the most deadly.
Griff Skyshock Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.06.25 01:09:00 - [26] Lots of words itt The best ship in Eve is friendship
Psiri	Posted - 2009.06.25 01:14:00 - [27] Originally by: Ignatious Mei Cruisers - Quality t1 cruisers are great for people getting their feet wet in PvP but overall your not going to see a lot of 5 mil+ SP pilots flying them for real PvP work. So wrong, cruisers are frequently fielded in PvP and you can't even properly fly a T2 fitted Vexor until you've got at least 8-9m SP. Quote: Exactly my point, we don't have the best of ANYTHING. Wait, you've dismissed several ships due to pretty much just preference and your view of the present status of PvP. Not on the basis that they weren't the best in their class, such as the Taranis. Also, when you state that T1 cruisers aren't commonly fielded by 5m+ SP pilots that leads me to wonder how extensive your grasp of the current PvP situation really is. Taranis Ishkur Vexor If you're going to challenge it then post why you think for instance the Harpy/Jaguar or Arbitrator/Rupture are more deserving of being called best.
Ydra Ko'Zyn	Posted - 2009.06.25 02:43:00 - [28] Originally by: The Djego Originally by: Bestofworst Megathron: ..watches pvp videos I'm glad I'm gall Cool story bro, how about actualy flying one solo instead of watching vids? since when is balance determined by solo pvp? if you get out of the solo mindset Gal are a pretty solid race. Of course you'll disagree, but the fact is this is how a lot of people who fly Gal feel, and tbh in corp chat I am constantly hearing people question why anyone is complaining about Gal at all.
Tessho Kernel of War Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2009.06.25 05:30:00 - [29] Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
Gneeznow Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.06.25 05:39:00 - [30] your chart sucks and is half wrong

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