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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.06.27 22:27:00 -
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Originally by: Razzor Death Why do people think the napfest will continue ? i'm really looking forward to watching the blues fall out with each other and see what fights will kick off there, not out of spite for the current nap but coz thats just what happens. Everyone knew the bob and goons story and well frankly its time for new drama, wars and conflicts.
Viva 2009 - the unknown age
Pro-TipÖ: Drone regions.
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Razzor Death
Valor Inc. Vanguard.
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Posted - 2009.06.27 22:30:00 -
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if your talking about the current russian drama and state of play on that side of the map it has hardly been centre stage or nearly as big as the goon vs bob conflict. If your not then care to expand a little further ?
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Heloise ChateauBriande
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Posted - 2009.06.27 22:58:00 -
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There was a fight to the finish and the goons finished it. There may be some questions to ask about this. Perhaps: "How did the Goons win" or "Why did Bob lose" but certainly not "goons didnt really Kill Bob did they?"
Yes, they did.
- Helo
Originally by: Bodrul goons didnt really Kill Bob though did they? they only way they were able to beat them was by taking them out from the inside. whos to say there isnt a plan to do the same to Goons? use the same trick offer a Goon a dougnut or Big Mac
thought i would put that out there.
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Batolemaeus
Caldari Free-Space-Ranger Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.06.27 23:13:00 -
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Originally by: Zaerlorth Maelkor
Artificial barriers like these are a horrible idea. Completely against the spirit of the game. Players make the content, players control the universe, having an overlord (CCP) more or less dictating how well players are allowed to do would be silly.
I only partially agree. I'd love to see an Eve where alliances can only hold space they actively live in. Seeing alliances being concentrated in a few constellations instead of spanning multiple regions because defending space is much harder would be awesome.
That shouldn't be achieved by some arbitrary cap of course, that's not Eve. Concentrating more people into less space would be a good goal, though..first all that crap space has to be made into something worth holding, of course.. |
Armoured C
Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Aggression.
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Posted - 2009.06.28 00:35:00 -
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for 0.0 concentrating people into a smaller space is bad as it bring the potential earning for people trying to make isk WAY down.
the only thing need changing is how SOv operates at it current level. As said before if you have the man power to take the area then you have the man power to defend the area. to make isk through ratting everyone need to spread out because the more people int he system the less belts you have to rat or *insert alliance ratting methods here* - less belts .
and to those saying that eve will be boring now. It will never be boring in terms of 0.0 combat and wars. All you need is someone to accidently shoot someone or a senior member to accidnely say something and BOOM war brakes out. A angry member to thrash out or a sad member not getting all the PVP he wants. I have seen wars fought over much less to start them off.
drone regions area is starting to heat up now in terms of publicity since the great war has ended since all focus has been on it since BOB were disbanded which gave the opening for full scale attack and the eyes have been on it since then . Now it all over the smaller conflicts might get a better light on the table.
the day wars ends in eve is the day i un sub. I wont have to worry it wont happen for another melenia :) |
c0rn1
Seraphin Technologies KrautbreaK
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Posted - 2009.06.28 01:33:00 -
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Originally by: Euriti Anyone believing this napfest propaganda is delusional. We were not the ones piling 1400 people in to a system. Do people still see EVE as BoB vs Goons? Do people just miss the tens of thousands of players in the east who are opposed to goons? Atlas, aggression, Sc0rched earth, Against all authorities, Stain empire, c0ven, systematic chaos, IRC, ED, COW, Krautbreak and minor threat?
This war is far from over and it's heating up to be an even bigger war in the drone regions/insmother with NC, PL and GS joining the fray on the side of Legion of xDeathx and Red alliance while SOLAR are currently very neutral in this. Interesting times ahead, not boring
For Clarification:
We do give a rats' rectum about Goons and their allies. We are here to secure space for some friends. Unfortunately the Eve universe looks pretty homogen with 2 Powerblocks kickin the crap out of each other. So here's how it went so far:
We engaged RA (a 2k ppl alliance) on terms with 2 Friends (MT & COW) (we 3 alliances counting 2k pilots as well). -t was fun at the start. Gangs were pretty even 120/130 RA Gangs vs our 100ish Gangs, when we went for the RYC constellation. 1v- XIX tried to save the system together with RA, so ATLAS lend us a hand to even numbers again. Had lotsa fun and pew pew and a titan got downed. Suddenly the pew pew of RA stopped and Intel about PL and GOONs moving here got in. PL located in G-G/Curse. Yesterday we had a 170 man fleet of MM/RZR/PL in Detorid roaming ATLAS space. News about the "coalition" helping out XIX in the Drone Regions (the other side of the galaxy). Fact is that whereever you go in Eve to establish yourself as a probable independent entity, you HAVE to face the naptrain. Prolly not at the start but when things get scary for them or the **** hits the fan the blobs get bigger and bigger. Everything and everyone gets dragged into this huge pile. Eve is presumably polarised. Whatever you do, the 2 naptrains will try to use the opportunity to kick each other in their nuts. You said this huge pile of naps is for defeating evil BoB and went on a holy crusade. But even though you conquered Jericho, BoB has no space anymore and Corps are leaving, you STILL don't lift any NAPS as long as it serves your purpose. The pure purpose of protecting your acquired possessions.
We try to keep our bluelist as short as possible. If you watch our killboard you'll see that even the entities you bound us with are shooting us. So get your intel straight. You didn't make Eve a better place when you removed BoB. You made it a boring place as colorful as Black and White movies and drove the metagaming to a point where this has more room in Eve than the simple pew pew a MMOG should provide.
cheers
c0rn1
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Queen Ba'Ku
Comply Or Die Retribution.
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Posted - 2009.06.28 11:02:00 -
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Originally by: Euriti Anyone believing this napfest propaganda is delusional. We were not the ones piling 1400 people in to a system. Do people still see EVE as BoB vs Goons? Do people just miss the tens of thousands of players in the east who are opposed to goons? Atlas, aggression, Sc0rched earth, Against all authorities, Stain empire, c0ven, systematic chaos, IRC, ED, COW, Krautbreak and minor threat?
This war is far from over and it's heating up to be an even bigger war in the drone regions/insmother with NC, PL and GS joining the fray on the side of Legion of xDeathx and Red alliance while SOLAR are currently very neutral in this. Interesting times ahead, not boring
Youve said it all in that paragraph m8.. NC (MM, Razor, TCF, MH) ,PL, GS, RA, XXDeath, (same napfest).. Now bob are gone, its only a matter of time, that the rest of GBC will be gone...SE,COW,KB and MT are hardly a threat (sorry guys no disrespect)..Only -A-, Atlas and maybe Aggression are your real problems, the rest well...
So is it going to be much of a war? or just a slaughter, or even feck this run for your lives scenario? Seriously tho? Is this the Coalition that replaces bob? looks that way... |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.06.28 11:04:00 -
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Originally by: Razzor Death if your talking about the current russian drama and state of play on that side of the map it has hardly been centre stage or nearly as big as the goon vs bob conflict. If your not then care to expand a little further ?
Well given that Atlas, RA, goons and PL are already involved and that it's right on the NC's dorrstep, and that there have been a lot of long held grudges held back "until BoB are dead"...
...yeah, you're right. What could possibly happen? |
Doomed Predator
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.06.28 11:05:00 -
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Well after months of fighting down south with several other entities you can't possibly expect us to reset them 1 day after kenny decided to go do FW. Mainly because people would like to get their stuff out in 1 piece. I have no idea what the RAWR leadership has planned since I'm just a grunt but, I still think that we will not keep goons and co. blue much longer since there is no threat to their new homeland anymore. |
Aurora Nyx
Caldari Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2009.06.28 11:21:00 -
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0.0 is sad, tbh. Way too much politics, whining, and e-peen stimulation.
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Scatim Helicon
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.06.28 12:41:00 -
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Originally by: Razzor Death if your talking about the current russian drama and state of play on that side of the map it has hardly been centre stage or nearly as big as the goon vs bob conflict.
The war over in the east is a big one, its just that you hear less about it because many of the main players are the Russians and they post on Russian CAOD rather than the CAOD we have here. |
Sc0rpion
Faster Pussycat Kill Kill
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Posted - 2009.06.29 20:03:00 -
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Originally by: Batolemaeus first all that crap space has to be made into something worth holding, of course..
QFT. Far too much worthless (read: no better than empire)space, and far too few "good" systems. How many systems are there with a truesec -9.0 or lower? 125. -10? 38. That might have been OK when there were only 10,000 players online consistently, but we're almost quadrouple that number now.
And don't even get me started about how mining with missiles (i.e. drone regions) killed the zydrine, nocxium and isogen markets. |
Moonlight Express
Amarr Moonlight Express Inc.
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Posted - 2009.06.29 20:08:00 -
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Originally by: Zaerlorth Maelkor
If an alliance is good enough to control all of 0.0, so be it. Up to YOU to pull them down.
It's not 1 alliance that will controlls all of 0.0. It will be the biggest napfest of carebears that controlls 0.0 if things continue the way they have been the past 3 years.
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Faife
Federation of Freedom Fighters Aggression.
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Posted - 2009.06.29 20:18:00 -
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Originally by: TimMc Now bob is gone, the alliances are disappearing. NC will likely reset goons eventually, PL will likely reset everyone.
bolded the true parts. --
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Drunk Driver
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.06.29 20:19:00 -
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CAOD
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Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.06.29 20:19:00 -
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Sad day? Why?
BOB or any big alliance never did anyhting good for anyone else other then themself.
Imo, I like to see the fall of big arrognat empires
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Batolemaeus
Caldari Free-Space-Ranger Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.06.29 20:31:00 -
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Originally by: Sc0rpion How many systems are there with a truesec -9.0 or lower? 125. -10?
That's just the other extreme. I'm mostly talking about space like the entirety of western tribute (realsec around -0.1), the extremely screwed up mining in 0.0 ( you'll make a much better profit mining veldspar in tenal and selling the trit there than mining arkonor)
It's not the rarity of super-awesome systems that make the majority of 0.0 crappy. It's the real security status of 0.0 to -0.3/-0.4 that makes up the majority of eve 0.0 but is only used to farm cosmic sigs and drop factory outposts en masse. ----------------------------------------------
Originally by: CCP Prism X In New Eden, EVE wins you.
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Sc0rpion
Faster Pussycat Kill Kill
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Posted - 2009.06.29 21:30:00 -
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Originally by: Batolemaeus
Originally by: Sc0rpion How many systems are there with a truesec -9.0 or lower? 125. -10?
That's just the other extreme. I'm mostly talking about space like the entirety of western tribute (realsec around -0.1), the extremely screwed up mining in 0.0 ( you'll make a much better profit mining veldspar in tenal and selling the trit there than mining arkonor)
It's not the rarity of super-awesome systems that make the majority of 0.0 crappy. It's the real security status of 0.0 to -0.3/-0.4 that makes up the majority of eve 0.0 but is only used to farm cosmic sigs and drop factory outposts en masse.
You're absolutely right, I was only using the really low truesec systems to illustrate my point. The entire distribution is...there's no other word for it...it's wrong. It's always been that way, too. Entire constellations regions with nothing better than gneiss and equally lousy spawns. Like you said, most of those systems are -0.3/-0.4, and serve no real purpose other than to put jumps between the various "good" constellations. You specifically mentioned tribute, and it's a great example. I don't mean any offense to you guys who actually live there when I ask this, but does that region serve any purpose other than connecting Vale and Deklein?
They did a better job with complex distribution, however. There are 10/10's all the way up to -0.3672 (The Serpentis Fleet Shipyard in UTKS-5), and there are 7/10 and 8/10 all over the place. Although again, there just aren't enough of them.
I have no data on moon distribution, so I won't comment.
And I really can't stress enough the damage drone alloys have done to the economy. When the lowest value alloy is worth nearly twice as much ISK/m3 as Vitreous Mercoxit, there's a problem. |
CaptainAttitude
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.06.29 21:40:00 -
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Originally by: Bodrul goons didnt really Kill Bob though did they? they only way they were able to beat them was by taking them out from the inside. whos to say there isnt a plan to do the same to Goons? use the same trick offer a Goon a dougnut or Big Mac
thought i would put that out there.
It's cute that you think you are insulting us. LEARN HOW TO TYPE, JACKASS! Also, I hate Big Macs. Whopper all the way, man.
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Batolemaeus
Caldari Free-Space-Ranger Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.06.29 22:01:00 -
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Originally by: Sc0rpion You specifically mentioned tribute, and it's a great example. I don't mean any offense to you guys who actually live there when I ask this, but does that region serve any purpose other than connecting Vale and Deklein?
Tribute, like Providence, has one huge benefit: It's so close to empire, that one can build capitals in there with great ease. Tributes wealth can be measured in amarr factory outposts. And there are a lot of those. It's also the reason why the western constellations are more or less uninhabited..there's no point. Morsus Mihi is living in three constellations, the rest of it is only used for cosmic signatures.
Other regions, sadly, do not have the luxury of having their core systems within jump range of jita. ----------------------------------------------
Originally by: CCP Prism X In New Eden, EVE wins you.
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marxist revolutionary
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Posted - 2009.06.29 22:33:00 -
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Edited by: marxist revolutionary on 29/06/2009 22:36:49
Originally by: c0rn1
Fact is that whereever you go in Eve to establish yourself as a probable independent entity, you HAVE to face the naptrain. Prolly not at the start but when things get scary for them or the **** hits the fan the blobs get bigger and bigger. Everything and everyone gets dragged into this huge pile.
if it was just you against RA you might have a smidgen of a point, but they had to deal with i) you in the west ii) Atlas/Aggression/the whole southern blob in the south iii) ED/IRC in the north iv) some dude trying to hijack the alliance and losing them sov in several key station systems
if there's one alliance in the game that had actual justification to complain about being blobbed, it was RA who were facing this very much alone this past year while their allies were busy in Querious, and the drone russians staying neutral and not getting involved
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Ironnight
Caldari x13 KrautbreaK
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Posted - 2009.06.29 22:50:00 -
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Originally by: TimMc Eh? It used to be Everyone vs GBC. Now bob is gone, the alliances are disappearing. NC will likely reset goons eventually, PL will likely reset everyone.
I doubt that PL will be resetting goons, there is no bufferzone between them, so I am guessing that they are going to stay blue.
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Gorefacer
Caldari Resurrection Aggression.
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Posted - 2009.06.29 23:05:00 -
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Originally by: marxist revolutionary Edited by: marxist revolutionary on 29/06/2009 22:36:49
Originally by: c0rn1
Fact is that whereever you go in Eve to establish yourself as a probable independent entity, you HAVE to face the naptrain. Prolly not at the start but when things get scary for them or the **** hits the fan the blobs get bigger and bigger. Everything and everyone gets dragged into this huge pile.
if it was just you against RA you might have a smidgen of a point, but they had to deal with i) you in the west ii) Atlas/Aggression/the whole southern blob in the south iii) ED/IRC in the north iv) some dude trying to hijack the alliance and losing them sov in several key station systems
if there's one alliance in the game that had actual justification to complain about being blobbed, it was RA who were facing this very much alone this past year while their allies were busy in Querious, and the drone russians staying neutral and not getting involved
Your point being that the "naptrain" only came to help them when they were threatened with being defeated?
How does that refute the guy you quoted at all?
Are you saying that if it was one entity that put them in the same danger they wouldn't have called on help to keep them alive as an entity?
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Caliph Scorpionsting
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.06.29 23:54:00 -
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My blob can beat up your blob.
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Victor Vision
Amarr Central Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2009.06.30 00:09:00 -
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Edited by: Victor Vision on 30/06/2009 00:10:36
Originally by: Drunk Driver
CAOD
Nah, CCP is censoring that for the common empire dweller.
Congrats to Goons, PL and NC on their victory. And GL for the future of GBC alliances and corps.
VV over and out.
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Mikayla Grey
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.06.30 00:31:00 -
[56]
CAOD is that way --->
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CCP Applebabe
Amarr C C P
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Posted - 2009.06.30 03:06:00 -
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Moved to CAOD.
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Machine Delta
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.06.30 03:36:00 -
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Originally by: Bodrul goons didnt really Kill Bob though did they? they only way they were able to beat them was by taking them out from the inside. whos to say there isnt a plan to do the same to Goons? use the same trick offer a Goon a dougnut or Big Mac
thought i would put that out there.
So you're saying we 'didn't really beat bob' and that we are susceptible to bribes of junk food. Most likely because we are fat people with no self control. Right? Quality post bud.
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dastommy79
Caldari Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.06.30 03:38:00 -
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Originally by: c0rn1
For Clarification:
We do give a rats' rectum about Goons and their allies. We are here to secure space for some friends. Unfortunately the Eve universe looks pretty homogen with 2 Powerblocks kickin the crap out of each other. So here's how it went so far:
We engaged RA (a 2k ppl alliance) on terms with 2 Friends (MT & COW) (we 3 alliances counting 2k pilots as well). -t was fun at the start. Gangs were pretty even 120/130 RA Gangs vs our 100ish Gangs, when we went for the RYC constellation. 1v- XIX tried to save the system together with RA, so ATLAS lend us a hand to even numbers again. Had lotsa fun and pew pew and a titan got downed. Suddenly the pew pew of RA stopped and Intel about PL and GOONs moving here got in. PL located in G-G/Curse. Yesterday we had a 170 man fleet of MM/RZR/PL in Detorid roaming ATLAS space. News about the "coalition" helping out XIX in the Drone Regions (the other side of the galaxy). Fact is that whereever you go in Eve to establish yourself as a probable independent entity, you HAVE to face the naptrain. Prolly not at the start but when things get scary for them or the **** hits the fan the blobs get bigger and bigger. Everything and everyone gets dragged into this huge pile. Eve is presumably polarised. Whatever you do, the 2 naptrains will try to use the opportunity to kick each other in their nuts. You said this huge pile of naps is for defeating evil BoB and went on a holy crusade. But even though you conquered Jericho, BoB has no space anymore and Corps are leaving, you STILL don't lift any NAPS as long as it serves your purpose. The pure purpose of protecting your acquired possessions.
We try to keep our bluelist as short as possible. If you watch our killboard you'll see that even the entities you bound us with are shooting us. So get your intel straight. You didn't make Eve a better place when you removed BoB. You made it a boring place as colorful as Black and White movies and drove the metagaming to a point where this has more room in Eve than the simple pew pew a MMOG should provide.
cheers
c0rn1
well written and sums up the situation. The great war is over. Now its coalition wants moon gold war
Former SmashKill Coaliton Leader Stop banning me
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kayentelva
Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.06.30 03:54:00 -
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Originally by: Euriti Anyone believing this napfest propaganda is delusional. We were not the ones piling 1400 people in to a system.
how many times were there 1400 pilots against you ?
i ask because you keep trotting out that ONE DAY where there were 1400 pilots like it means something
many of those pilots were there for hate of goons getting too close, not for love of bob
it happened ONCE but you keep slapping each other on the butt pretending like that was the force you were up against the entire time
when PL reset standings and start hot dropping goons, then the "delusion of a napfest" will be disspelled
so, reset standings in earnest or stfu
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