I get the opposite impression from these posts here: The only people excited about Dust are Eve fanatics. Where's the "loyal new segment?"

I get the opposite impression from these posts here: The only people excited about Dust are Eve fanatics. Where's the "loyal new segment?"

Because Call of Duty sucks and has the depth of a sheet of paper. Battlefield 3 is infintely better than CoD MW 1.3 but is still fail. They dumbed it way down to appeal to the casual and CoD player. All todays FPS are themepark FPS, CCP is making a sandbox FPS. CCP won't ruin their game like Dice did by appealing to the average player with an IQ of 45 (See Hulkaggeddon tears). Not to mention no FPS to date (well maybe Planetside never played it) has had a persistant world. I suspect Dust will be a niche market, but a much larger niche market than that of Eve. These Dust players will stay loyal to the game as long as CCP doesn't mess up with nerfs/buffs to the game to appease dumb people who cant adapt.

When you have call of duty.... Xbox cod for no plainer pew pew, eveo for that lil bit extra, I can't see dust being a success.

Everyone I know has never heard of eve pretty much. So asking them to play a game that dictates what happens on a pc format space game.... Or go on Xbox live and play with their already existing console cod clans.

What happens later this year when Microsoft release a new console? And Sony think hey maybe time for a ps4. New consoles are due now,

As for all the COD hate, its pathetic. The same crap can be said of eve, except its playing with a calculator.
fools talking like they are somehow superior is the #1 export of eve.

fools talking like they are somehow superior is the #1 export of eve.

When you have call of duty.... Xbox cod for no plainer pew pew, eveo for that lil bit extra, I can't see dust being a success.

Everyone I know has never heard of eve pretty much. So asking them to play a game that dictates what happens on a pc format space game.... Or go on Xbox live and play with their already existing console cod clans.

When you have call of duty.... Xbox cod for no plainer pew pew, eveo for that lil bit extra, I can't see dust being a success.

Everyone I know has never heard of eve pretty much. So asking them to play a game that dictates what happens on a pc format space game.... Or go on Xbox live and play with their already existing console cod clans.

I have some friends that didnt liked EVE but totally are digging the Dust concept, and will be trying the game once it launches.

But yeah, shooters in console platform suchs, hope i can use keyboard/mouse :/

If you're asking, "Why should I buy a PlayStation 3 just to play DUST 514?" well honestly I can't answer that.
Realistically I do think CCP choosing not to come to an agreement with Microsoft, instead becoming an exclusive partner with Sony is actually going to hurt the games popularity initially.

The PlayStation 3 doesn't have the same scale of audience that the Xbox 360 comfortably enjoys, particularly in the FPS-Genre where sure the console has a few good exclusive Shooters; but their ability to retain players has been limited next to the big titles like Call of Duty Modern Warfare 3 or Battlefield 3... especially when you consider right now the Xbox 360 has the largest market share of these players across ALL platforms.

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Still something to keep in mind here is DUST 514 is not your typical FPS game.
It isn't like Battlefield or Call of Duty, where each year you will be expected to pay $60/-ú45 for a new copy then another $15/10 per Map Pack... this game will be released for Free, with all of the expansion also Free.

Honestly right there if you just play the game for 2 years, you've already saved the money it costs to buy a PS3 second-hand.
Secondly it isn't going anywhere... EVE Online is now 9 years old, if you look back to what it was like when it was released to what the game is like today - you would barely recognise it. So much has changed and evolved, where other titles like World of Warcraft (which was released within 6months of EVE) are basically the same game they were when released ... just bigger.

Combine that with how in an FPS you don't care about stealing a Tank, running it into the middle of the enemy and getting it destroyed. It doesn't matter, it will just respawn. In DUST, you spent YOUR ISK on that Tank... if it blows up the only way to get a new one is to have bought more prior to the fight. You're not going to simply throw it in the middle of a fight hoping that it will survive, you are going to only take it where you WANT to risk loosing it.

This is something that EVE has done over every other MMO, and frankly is the major aspect that makes it just so damn incredible. Everything you own, you can loose... if you don't want to loose it, don't use it. It isn't just small things like tanks though or weapons, etc... This scales up, because when you win a fight; that is now YOUR territory. It isn't a simple "Trash Talk in a Lobby afterwards with insults towards peoples mothers and questioning their sexuality" ... that doesn't matter because now, you, your friends, those guys you're in a Corporation (Clan) with, now actually OWN something.

Something that you can construct facilities on, change the face on the landscape but most importantly something you must defend or be prepared to LOSE to someone else.

It is that ownership and risk that makes EVE just a truely awesome game, but also it is something that FPS players have never had to deal with... battles on CoD or BF are meaningless past your online Stats that they only just started doing in the past couple of years, even then it is literally just e-peen waggling at each other.

Beating another team and trash talking, sure it can be fun... but beating them and taking ALL of their territory just to hand it over to someone they hate. It just incredible to see play out.

Add to that the friendships, alliances and backstabbing that can be done. Being able to pool resources together to get the most mammoth equippment to win engagements, friends who specialise in each class to help the group as a whole.

EVE has always been more than the sum of it's parts simply because it is the community that drives the game, with a real sense of accomplishment and ownership ... DUST brings that to the FPS Genre, something that has never happened before on it's own let alone tied to another game.

There is an underlying epic nature, that honestly will still be alive a decade from now.
The same game, the same universe... but ever evolving.

Personally I wouldn't miss this for anything.

When you have call of duty.... Xbox cod for no plainer pew pew, eveo for that lil bit extra, I can't see dust being a success.

Everyone I know has never heard of eve pretty much. So asking them to play a game that dictates what happens on a pc format space game.... Or go on Xbox live and play with their already existing console cod clans.

You should see how the MAG community is eating up every bit of news about Dust 514. MAG, for those of you who might have missed it, is the shooter that did OK a few years back who's major achievement was conflicts involving 256 players at once. It just so happens it was conveniently also a PS3 exclusive. I am told that a lot of the major Battlefield clans are also viewing New Eden with envious eye so from a first person shooter perspective you are playing Dust 514 because of:

1. Variety: Given the seeding the universe presentation, it seems pretty apparent that players are not going to be confronted with the same 18 maps over and over and over and over again. There may be quite a bit of commonality, but to borrow another science fiction's terminology: infinite diversity in infinite combinations. I know Spock wasn't talking about how to put together a map for a FPS, but it is going to be refreshing not to be playing the same thing over and over again for years to come.
2. More Variety: While one rather shutters to think that maybe CCP is trying to be all things to all FPS players, talking of the basic game, the arena, future expansion of vehicles and environment types, rogue drones, and ideas not yet relayed to the public... it sounds like there's going to be a lot of stuff to do here.
3. Genre: When was the last time a really good science fiction multiplayer first person shooter came out. It wasn't the last couple of Killzones and it wasn't the last couple of Halos. There's not a lot of quality sci-fi shooters out there.
4. Customization: I saw a brief thing in one of CCP's videos showing lots of slots, trees with branches, and I know how EVE's skill system works. There's a lot of stuff here for people to enjoy and really make their own, and even if its not real, pride in ownership goes a long way.
5. Vehicles: People like vehicles, and they especially seem to like video games that feature vehicles.
6. Size: For a lot of people, playing 4 on 4 or 8 on 8 feels like a remarkably unimpressive engagement of truly frivolous scope. The current advertised size was something like 24 on 24, which is starting to feel like a fight. Word is they have tested much larger. That starts to feel like a war.
7. Cool: It looks cool. That matters.

Probably missed some stuff... but thats what is going to draw a lot of people in this direction. I don't think FPS players care about persistence. Given the level of discourse over the voice chat I have observed, I rather doubt a lot of them know what the word means. Persistence is really for EVE players. Dusters will take some pride in knowing they rained on someone's parade, but FPS players are really very much here-and-now, in the moment types. I don't imagine many will care about your planets, and I don't think that hurts the game at all, as long as the core FPS mechanics are solid and keep people playing.