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Sarah McCoy	Posted - 2004.09.24 07:12:00 - [1] Stats for those are available on Entropy, don¦t have time to post screenies of their stats, just wanted lo let you know so that someone else can do it. Basically beefed up versions of ordinary cruisers, with four bonuses and same resitances as assault frigs. More powergrid, more slots, more armour etc. Skill reqs seems a bit inconsistent across the different races iirc. They make me wonder though what role battlecruisers will fit...
Sarah McCoy	Posted - 2004.09.24 07:12:00 - [2] Stats for those are available on Entropy, don¦t have time to post screenies of their stats, just wanted lo let you know so that someone else can do it. Basically beefed up versions of ordinary cruisers, with four bonuses and same resitances as assault frigs. More powergrid, more slots, more armour etc. Skill reqs seems a bit inconsistent across the different races iirc. They make me wonder though what role battlecruisers will fit...
Artegg	Posted - 2004.09.24 08:26:00 - [3] they sound awsome can some post screenies and stats please
Artegg	Posted - 2004.09.24 08:26:00 - [4] they sound awsome can some post screenies and stats please
Arleonenis	Posted - 2004.09.24 08:31:00 - [5] i second that, screenies please
Arleonenis	Posted - 2004.09.24 08:31:00 - [6] i second that, screenies please
Shadowsword	Posted - 2004.09.24 08:50:00 - [7] I'd also like some infos on skills requirments, if possible. (/me can't wait to see an assault cruiser vs battlecruiser fight)
Shadowsword	Posted - 2004.09.24 08:50:00 - [8] I'd also like some infos on skills requirments, if possible. (/me can't wait to see an assault cruiser vs battlecruiser fight)
DarkMatters	Posted - 2004.09.24 09:37:00 - [9] just been on entropy but couldnt see them on the market :-( i saw the skill, but couldnt c any ships. other people assure me they are (where?) there. someone get the screenies up plz!
DarkMatters	Posted - 2004.09.24 09:37:00 - [10] just been on entropy but couldnt see them on the market :-( i saw the skill, but couldnt c any ships. other people assure me they are (where?) there. someone get the screenies up plz!
Sewell	Posted - 2004.09.24 09:40:00 - [11] Quote: just been on entropy but couldnt see them on the market :-( You have to disable "show only active items", then they will show up.
Sewell	Posted - 2004.09.24 09:40:00 - [12] Quote: just been on entropy but couldnt see them on the market :-( You have to disable "show only active items", then they will show up.
Nadia Troy	Posted - 2004.09.24 10:41:00 - [13] the skill book is there, but I can't see any actual ships.
Nadia Troy	Posted - 2004.09.24 10:41:00 - [14] the skill book is there, but I can't see any actual ships.
fairimear	Posted - 2004.09.24 11:00:00 - [15] Hull: Thorax Class Role: Heavy Assault Ship Sharing more tactical elements with smaller vessels than with its size-class counterparts, the Deimos represents the final word in up-close-and-personal cruiser combat. Venture too close to this one, and swift death is your only guarantee. Developer: Roden Shipyards Rumor has it Roden was contracted by parties unknown to create the ultimate close-range blaster cruiser. In this their engineers and designers havenÆt failed; but the identity of the companyÆs client remains to be discovered. Gallente Cruiser Skill Bonus: 5% bonus to Medium Hybrid Turret damage and 5% less penalty to max capacitor capacity for Microwarpdrive usage per level Heavy Assault Ship Skill Bonus: 10% bonus to Medium Hybrid Turret falloff and 5% bonus to Medium Hybrid Turret damage per level mine all mine (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world Domination.
fairimear	Posted - 2004.09.24 11:00:00 - [16] Hull: Thorax Class Role: Heavy Assault Ship Sharing more tactical elements with smaller vessels than with its size-class counterparts, the Deimos represents the final word in up-close-and-personal cruiser combat. Venture too close to this one, and swift death is your only guarantee. Developer: Roden Shipyards Rumor has it Roden was contracted by parties unknown to create the ultimate close-range blaster cruiser. In this their engineers and designers havenÆt failed; but the identity of the companyÆs client remains to be discovered. Gallente Cruiser Skill Bonus: 5% bonus to Medium Hybrid Turret damage and 5% less penalty to max capacitor capacity for Microwarpdrive usage per level Heavy Assault Ship Skill Bonus: 10% bonus to Medium Hybrid Turret falloff and 5% bonus to Medium Hybrid Turret damage per level mine all mine (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world Domination.
Shadowsword	Posted - 2004.09.24 12:32:00 - [17] With a little EM and thermal hardening (not not much thermal needed, but it's natural bonus, that thing would eat a gankageddon for breakfast! We can assume that the Maller's version has it's 25% bonus to each resists in addition to the assualt bonuses to explsive and kinetic, making it easily the best non-bs tank of the game. Rupture's variant will get insane damage over time with all it's bonuses.
Shadowsword	Posted - 2004.09.24 12:32:00 - [18] With a little EM and thermal hardening (not not much thermal needed, but it's natural bonus, that thing would eat a gankageddon for breakfast! We can assume that the Maller's version has it's 25% bonus to each resists in addition to the assualt bonuses to explsive and kinetic, making it easily the best non-bs tank of the game. Rupture's variant will get insane damage over time with all it's bonuses.
Shevar	Posted - 2004.09.24 12:39:00 - [19] Edited by: Shevar on 24/09/2004 12:41:49 Skill training times are enormous though.... -cruiser2 -spaceship command5 -weapon upgrades5 -Assault ship4 -heavy assault ship5 (which is rank6) Im not sure if i would want to fly an assault cruiser which needs 2.5m skillpoints to be yet trained which doesn't do anything else then allow you to fly that ship. But I do gotta say the zealot looks nice with it's 7 low slots, 1600 armor, and assault ship resistances. -------- -The only real drug problem is scoring real good drugs
Shevar	Posted - 2004.09.24 12:39:00 - [20] Edited by: Shevar on 24/09/2004 12:41:49 Skill training times are enormous though.... -cruiser2 -spaceship command5 -weapon upgrades5 -Assault ship4 -heavy assault ship5 (which is rank6) Im not sure if i would want to fly an assault cruiser which needs 2.5m skillpoints to be yet trained which doesn't do anything else then allow you to fly that ship. But I do gotta say the zealot looks nice with it's 7 low slots, 1600 armor, and assault ship resistances. -------- -The only real drug problem is scoring real good drugs
Arud	Posted - 2004.09.24 12:44:00 - [21] screenies of them all?
Arud	Posted - 2004.09.24 12:44:00 - [22] screenies of them all?
Grimpak	Posted - 2004.09.24 12:51:00 - [23] Originally by: fairimear Hull: Thorax Class Role: Heavy Assault Ship Sharing more tactical elements with smaller vessels than with its size-class counterparts, the Deimos represents the final word in up-close-and-personal cruiser combat. Venture too close to this one, and swift death is your only guarantee. Developer: Roden Shipyards Rumor has it Roden was contracted by parties unknown to create the ultimate close-range blaster cruiser. In this their engineers and designers havenÆt failed; but the identity of the companyÆs client remains to be discovered. Gallente Cruiser Skill Bonus: 5% bonus to Medium Hybrid Turret damage and 5% less penalty to max capacitor capacity for Microwarpdrive usage per level Heavy Assault Ship Skill Bonus: 10% bonus to Medium Hybrid Turret falloff and 5% bonus to Medium Hybrid Turret damage per level mine all mine I want that too btw: checked all the other ones, and DAMN! the one with the maller hull and the one with the carcal hull = death with a cool look. btw2: for the ones that didn't saw them yet, the maller hull one is Khanid. ------------------- Quote: Fragm's Oversized Ego Cannon barely scratches the forums, inflicting omgnoonecares damage
Grimpak	Posted - 2004.09.24 12:51:00 - [24] Originally by: fairimear Hull: Thorax Class Role: Heavy Assault Ship Sharing more tactical elements with smaller vessels than with its size-class counterparts, the Deimos represents the final word in up-close-and-personal cruiser combat. Venture too close to this one, and swift death is your only guarantee. Developer: Roden Shipyards Rumor has it Roden was contracted by parties unknown to create the ultimate close-range blaster cruiser. In this their engineers and designers havenÆt failed; but the identity of the companyÆs client remains to be discovered. Gallente Cruiser Skill Bonus: 5% bonus to Medium Hybrid Turret damage and 5% less penalty to max capacitor capacity for Microwarpdrive usage per level Heavy Assault Ship Skill Bonus: 10% bonus to Medium Hybrid Turret falloff and 5% bonus to Medium Hybrid Turret damage per level mine all mine I want that too btw: checked all the other ones, and DAMN! the one with the maller hull and the one with the carcal hull = death with a cool look. btw2: for the ones that didn't saw them yet, the maller hull one is Khanid. ------------------- Quote: Fragm's Oversized Ego Cannon barely scratches the forums, inflicting omgnoonecares damage
Van Halen	Posted - 2004.09.24 12:56:00 - [25] right here are skill reqs cruise lvl 2 frigate lvl 4 spaceship command 3 engineering 5 mechanic 5 weapons upgrades 5 assault ships 4 heavy assault ships 5 gunnery lvl 2 2004.09.10 01:59:13 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your Heavy Neutron Blaster I perfectly strikes Ater Draconis [MYT], wrecking for 361.2 damage.
Van Halen	Posted - 2004.09.24 12:56:00 - [26] right here are skill reqs cruise lvl 2 frigate lvl 4 spaceship command 3 engineering 5 mechanic 5 weapons upgrades 5 assault ships 4 heavy assault ships 5 gunnery lvl 2 2004.09.10 01:59:13 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your Heavy Neutron Blaster I perfectly strikes Ater Draconis [MYT], wrecking for 361.2 damage.
DarkMatters	Posted - 2004.09.24 12:57:00 - [27] Edited by: DarkMatters on 24/09/2004 13:05:40 Originally by: Sewell Quote: just been on entropy but couldnt see them on the market :-( You have to disable "show only active items", then they will show up. noooo you dont say? been playing eve over a year now, so yes i did know that and they STILL didnt show. just got back from the gym and they are now there :-) the skill requiremnts have got to be wroung, i would quess that it should be cruser 5 and hvy assault ship 2 (not the other way around)
DarkMatters	Posted - 2004.09.24 12:57:00 - [28] Edited by: DarkMatters on 24/09/2004 13:05:40 Originally by: Sewell Quote: just been on entropy but couldnt see them on the market :-( You have to disable "show only active items", then they will show up. noooo you dont say? been playing eve over a year now, so yes i did know that and they STILL didnt show. just got back from the gym and they are now there :-) the skill requiremnts have got to be wroung, i would quess that it should be cruser 5 and hvy assault ship 2 (not the other way around)
Gun Kata	Posted - 2004.09.24 12:57:00 - [29] Are these ships old models with updated paint jobs? "I have seen everything now." "Yeah? Have you seen a man eat his own head?"
Gun Kata	Posted - 2004.09.24 12:57:00 - [30] Are these ships old models with updated paint jobs? "I have seen everything now." "Yeah? Have you seen a man eat his own head?"
throbbinnoggin	Posted - 2004.09.24 12:58:00 - [31] Edited by: throbbinnoggin on 24/09/2004 14:26:49 Edited by: throbbinnoggin on 24/09/2004 14:10:45 Edited by: throbbinnoggin on 24/09/2004 14:07:09 Edited by: throbbinnoggin on 24/09/2004 13:08:33 Screenies http://hstrial-eve.homestead.com/index.html Requirements Oh well shows ya what a free sight will get ya already exceeded bandwith gonna try to put on another sight asap. Ok started another free trial, heh....more bandwith dunno how much, but should be better set up kinda quick Just in case if someone could take these and post to an unlimited page that would be best. BTW this is/was my 1st attempt at setting up a webpage in any manner so forgive the ignorant noob. Tis better to be silent and be thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt. 'Abraham Lincoln'
throbbinnoggin	Posted - 2004.09.24 12:58:00 - [32] Edited by: throbbinnoggin on 24/09/2004 14:26:49 Edited by: throbbinnoggin on 24/09/2004 14:10:45 Edited by: throbbinnoggin on 24/09/2004 14:07:09 Edited by: throbbinnoggin on 24/09/2004 13:08:33 Screenies http://hstrial-eve.homestead.com/index.html Requirements Oh well shows ya what a free sight will get ya already exceeded bandwith gonna try to put on another sight asap. Ok started another free trial, heh....more bandwith dunno how much, but should be better set up kinda quick Just in case if someone could take these and post to an unlimited page that would be best. BTW this is/was my 1st attempt at setting up a webpage in any manner so forgive the ignorant noob. Tis better to be silent and be thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt. 'Abraham Lincoln'
Arud	Posted - 2004.09.24 13:00:00 - [33] odd.. I would have thought these would reqire crusier lvl5... bot it seems that they only need lvl2 and needing heavy assault ship lvl5 is just insane.. a rank 6 skill, the new learning skills and boosters realy need to work amazingly well for this to be worth it Getting crusier to lvl5 takes me I think it was 30 days, that is a rank 5 skill.
Arud	Posted - 2004.09.24 13:00:00 - [34] odd.. I would have thought these would reqire crusier lvl5... bot it seems that they only need lvl2 and needing heavy assault ship lvl5 is just insane.. a rank 6 skill, the new learning skills and boosters realy need to work amazingly well for this to be worth it Getting crusier to lvl5 takes me I think it was 30 days, that is a rank 5 skill.
Artegg	Posted - 2004.09.24 13:01:00 - [35] All i can say is Damn i want a Mininn and Deimos Lucky i have all the skills trained and ready to go except heavy assult CPP what is with needing to train that to LVL 5 are you nuts
Artegg	Posted - 2004.09.24 13:01:00 - [36] All i can say is Damn i want a Mininn and Deimos Lucky i have all the skills trained and ready to go except heavy assult CPP what is with needing to train that to LVL 5 are you nuts
Arud	Posted - 2004.09.24 13:03:00 - [37] also odd that the new maller ship has 3 launcher and gets a missile bonus
Arud	Posted - 2004.09.24 13:03:00 - [38] also odd that the new maller ship has 3 launcher and gets a missile bonus
Shadowsword	Posted - 2004.09.24 13:09:00 - [39] IMHO the assault cruiser 5 thing is a typo, it just doesn't make sense.
Shadowsword	Posted - 2004.09.24 13:09:00 - [40] IMHO the assault cruiser 5 thing is a typo, it just doesn't make sense.
Shevar	Posted - 2004.09.24 13:09:00 - [41] Originally by: Artegg All i can say is Damn i want a Mininn and Deimos Lucky i have all the skills trained and ready to go except heavy assult CPP what is with needing to train that to LVL 5 are you nuts Same here, just not sure i want to get a skill that will only allow me to fly these ships to lvl5 (while its a rank6 skill and thus 2.5m sp)... But the zealot looks almost to sweet... 7 low slots, good pg, and base resistances the same as amarr assault frigates. -------- -The only real drug problem is scoring real good drugs
Shevar	Posted - 2004.09.24 13:09:00 - [42] Originally by: Artegg All i can say is Damn i want a Mininn and Deimos Lucky i have all the skills trained and ready to go except heavy assult CPP what is with needing to train that to LVL 5 are you nuts Same here, just not sure i want to get a skill that will only allow me to fly these ships to lvl5 (while its a rank6 skill and thus 2.5m sp)... But the zealot looks almost to sweet... 7 low slots, good pg, and base resistances the same as amarr assault frigates. -------- -The only real drug problem is scoring real good drugs
Bad'Boy	Posted - 2004.09.24 13:16:00 - [43] some1 plz post screenies on server that have ulimitted bandw. or atleas more then 10mb B.A.D.B.O.Y.: Biomechanical Android Designed for Battle and Online Yelling "Bad Boys,Bad Boys, what you gonna do, what you gonna do when WE come for yoU"
Bad'Boy	Posted - 2004.09.24 13:16:00 - [44] some1 plz post screenies on server that have ulimitted bandw. or atleas more then 10mb B.A.D.B.O.Y.: Biomechanical Android Designed for Battle and Online Yelling "Bad Boys,Bad Boys, what you gonna do, what you gonna do when WE come for yoU"
Teeth	Posted - 2004.09.24 13:30:00 - [45] The rupture hull one's a bit ****ty. 4 low slots? Tracking bonus? It does have 5 turret slots but then again it's an assault ship. Some feedback for CCP, if it's gonna be a long range ship (with the optimal bonus it seems like it will be) change the tracking bonus on it to a damage bonus. I almost think the stabber's gonna be the prize pick of the minnie ships as a fast cruiser that can actually fit stuff. The maller's pretty sweet best minitank this side of battleships. The vexor's pretty good too with the ability to field what, like 14 drones at 65km with a 5000 drone bay? The caracal's good too. Now about the rank 6 skill at level 5... I hope they're gonna change that to 4. :-/
Teeth	Posted - 2004.09.24 13:30:00 - [46] The rupture hull one's a bit ****ty. 4 low slots? Tracking bonus? It does have 5 turret slots but then again it's an assault ship. Some feedback for CCP, if it's gonna be a long range ship (with the optimal bonus it seems like it will be) change the tracking bonus on it to a damage bonus. I almost think the stabber's gonna be the prize pick of the minnie ships as a fast cruiser that can actually fit stuff. The maller's pretty sweet best minitank this side of battleships. The vexor's pretty good too with the ability to field what, like 14 drones at 65km with a 5000 drone bay? The caracal's good too. Now about the rank 6 skill at level 5... I hope they're gonna change that to 4. :-/
Tarm	Posted - 2004.09.24 13:31:00 - [47] I'm sure it's a typo. I have a feeling it will be the following: Cruiser lvl 5 Assault Ships lvl 4 (and associated skills) Starship command lvl 5 /just a guess -------------------
Tarm	Posted - 2004.09.24 13:31:00 - [48] I'm sure it's a typo. I have a feeling it will be the following: Cruiser lvl 5 Assault Ships lvl 4 (and associated skills) Starship command lvl 5 /just a guess -------------------
Nieda	Posted - 2004.09.24 13:32:00 - [49] It should be like cruiser lvl5 and assault lvl4 or something. Screens please. --------------------------------------------- 2004.08.12 14:50:32combatYour 720mm Carbine Howitzer I perfectly strikes Guristas Destructor, wrecking for 543.9 damage.
Nieda	Posted - 2004.09.24 13:32:00 - [50] It should be like cruiser lvl5 and assault lvl4 or something. Screens please. --------------------------------------------- 2004.08.12 14:50:32combatYour 720mm Carbine Howitzer I perfectly strikes Guristas Destructor, wrecking for 543.9 damage.
D'Artagnan	Posted - 2004.09.24 13:42:00 - [51] Hmmmm i think something is wrong here. To be able to use these you need assult frigate lvl 4 this sucks because personally i feel that this removes some of the specilization because everyone who wants to fly the crusiers has to fly the frigates it is the same with the tech 2 gun you need to train small med large I feel this is the wrong way to go about this.
D'Artagnan	Posted - 2004.09.24 13:42:00 - [52] Hmmmm i think something is wrong here. To be able to use these you need assult frigate lvl 4 this sucks because personally i feel that this removes some of the specilization because everyone who wants to fly the crusiers has to fly the frigates it is the same with the tech 2 gun you need to train small med large I feel this is the wrong way to go about this.
Teeth	Posted - 2004.09.24 13:45:00 - [53] it does suck. specialization should mean just that. if everyone who's good at big stuff is going to have to be good at small stuff then no one will be specialized in small stuff as everyone will have it.
Teeth	Posted - 2004.09.24 13:45:00 - [54] it does suck. specialization should mean just that. if everyone who's good at big stuff is going to have to be good at small stuff then no one will be specialized in small stuff as everyone will have it.
Bad'Boy	Posted - 2004.09.24 13:49:00 - [55] some1, plz post pictures....PLZ! B.A.D.B.O.Y.: Biomechanical Android Designed for Battle and Online Yelling "Bad Boys,Bad Boys, what you gonna do, what you gonna do when WE come for yoU"
Bad'Boy	Posted - 2004.09.24 13:49:00 - [56] some1, plz post pictures....PLZ! B.A.D.B.O.Y.: Biomechanical Android Designed for Battle and Online Yelling "Bad Boys,Bad Boys, what you gonna do, what you gonna do when WE come for yoU"
Tarm	Posted - 2004.09.24 13:52:00 - [57] Originally by: D'Artagnan Hmmmm i think something is wrong here. To be able to use these you need assult frigate lvl 4 this sucks because personally i feel that this removes some of the specilization because everyone who wants to fly the crusiers has to fly the frigates it is the same with the tech 2 gun you need to train small med large I feel this is the wrong way to go about this. The skill Assault ships does not require frigate lvl 5, just Mechanic lvl 5 and Engineering lvl 5. -------------------
Tarm	Posted - 2004.09.24 13:52:00 - [58] Originally by: D'Artagnan Hmmmm i think something is wrong here. To be able to use these you need assult frigate lvl 4 this sucks because personally i feel that this removes some of the specilization because everyone who wants to fly the crusiers has to fly the frigates it is the same with the tech 2 gun you need to train small med large I feel this is the wrong way to go about this. The skill Assault ships does not require frigate lvl 5, just Mechanic lvl 5 and Engineering lvl 5. -------------------
Arud	Posted - 2004.09.24 13:54:00 - [59] Originally by: D'Artagnan Hmmmm i think something is wrong here. To be able to use these you need assult frigate lvl 4 this sucks because personally i feel that this removes some of the specilization because everyone who wants to fly the crusiers has to fly the frigates it is the same with the tech 2 gun you need to train small med large I feel this is the wrong way to go about this. more importantly for me to fly a for example a minmatar heavy assault ship I need these skills Amarr frig 5 Assault Frig 4 and when I have that hell I can fly all the other heavy assault ships since race specific skills only require me to train them to lvl2
Arud	Posted - 2004.09.24 13:54:00 - [60] Originally by: D'Artagnan Hmmmm i think something is wrong here. To be able to use these you need assult frigate lvl 4 this sucks because personally i feel that this removes some of the specilization because everyone who wants to fly the crusiers has to fly the frigates it is the same with the tech 2 gun you need to train small med large I feel this is the wrong way to go about this. more importantly for me to fly a for example a minmatar heavy assault ship I need these skills Amarr frig 5 Assault Frig 4 and when I have that hell I can fly all the other heavy assault ships since race specific skills only require me to train them to lvl2
Shevar	Posted - 2004.09.24 13:57:00 - [61] Originally by: Arud more importantly for me to fly a for example a minmatar heavy assault ship I need these skills Amarr frig 5 Assault Frig 4 and when I have that hell I can fly all the other heavy assault ships since race specific skills only require me to train them to lvl2 Why would you need amarr frig5? You do need assault frig4 yes, but I don't see why you would say you would need amarr frig5 to fly minmatar battlecruisers... -------- -The only real drug problem is scoring real good drugs
Shevar	Posted - 2004.09.24 13:57:00 - [62] Originally by: Arud more importantly for me to fly a for example a minmatar heavy assault ship I need these skills Amarr frig 5 Assault Frig 4 and when I have that hell I can fly all the other heavy assault ships since race specific skills only require me to train them to lvl2 Why would you need amarr frig5? You do need assault frig4 yes, but I don't see why you would say you would need amarr frig5 to fly minmatar battlecruisers... -------- -The only real drug problem is scoring real good drugs
Erucyll Turon	Posted - 2004.09.24 13:59:00 - [63] Edited by: Erucyll Turon on 24/09/2004 14:02:53 im guessing he means mimnatar..... who cares were not talkin bout certain races were talking bout the skills being so god damn high.. but need he races frig skill at lvl 5 to train assault frigs..
Erucyll Turon	Posted - 2004.09.24 13:59:00 - [64] Edited by: Erucyll Turon on 24/09/2004 14:02:53 im guessing he means mimnatar..... who cares were not talkin bout certain races were talking bout the skills being so god damn high.. but need he races frig skill at lvl 5 to train assault frigs..
Tarm	Posted - 2004.09.24 14:01:00 - [65] Edited by: Tarm on 24/09/2004 14:04:23 Originally by: Erucyll Turon because u need amarr frig 5 to train amarr assault frig's You do not need to train a frigate skill to train the Assault Ship skill. The Assault Ship skill only requires Mechanic and Engineering lvl 5. The ship itself requires the ship requirement. I.E. frigates require frigate lvl 5, cruisers require cruisers lvl 5. -------------------
Tarm	Posted - 2004.09.24 14:01:00 - [66] Edited by: Tarm on 24/09/2004 14:04:23 Originally by: Erucyll Turon because u need amarr frig 5 to train amarr assault frig's You do not need to train a frigate skill to train the Assault Ship skill. The Assault Ship skill only requires Mechanic and Engineering lvl 5. The ship itself requires the ship requirement. I.E. frigates require frigate lvl 5, cruisers require cruisers lvl 5. -------------------
Erucyll Turon	Posted - 2004.09.24 14:02:00 - [67] sorry im thinking of interceptors god damn it im never right
Erucyll Turon	Posted - 2004.09.24 14:02:00 - [68] sorry im thinking of interceptors god damn it im never right
Shevar	Posted - 2004.09.24 14:03:00 - [69] Originally by: Bad'Boy some1, plz post pictures....PLZ! Some1, plz delete those dotz.... PLZ!! -------- -The only real drug problem is scoring real good drugs
Shevar	Posted - 2004.09.24 14:03:00 - [70] Originally by: Bad'Boy some1, plz post pictures....PLZ! Some1, plz delete those dotz.... PLZ!! -------- -The only real drug problem is scoring real good drugs
Arud	Posted - 2004.09.24 14:09:00 - [71] Originally by: Tarm Edited by: Tarm on 24/09/2004 14:04:23 Originally by: Erucyll Turon because u need amarr frig 5 to train amarr assault frig's You do not need to train a frigate skill to train the Assault Ship skill. The Assault Ship skill only requires Mechanic and Engineering lvl 5. The ship itself requires the ship requirement. I.E. frigates require frigate lvl 5, cruisers require cruisers lvl 5. ah forgot about that since I havent bothered training the skill myself :P but a bit odd though that as long as you got all the other reuqirement you only need a crusier lvl2 to fly each race ship. Something is wrong here. Tomb.... Tomb.... where are you?
Arud	Posted - 2004.09.24 14:09:00 - [72] Originally by: Tarm Edited by: Tarm on 24/09/2004 14:04:23 Originally by: Erucyll Turon because u need amarr frig 5 to train amarr assault frig's You do not need to train a frigate skill to train the Assault Ship skill. The Assault Ship skill only requires Mechanic and Engineering lvl 5. The ship itself requires the ship requirement. I.E. frigates require frigate lvl 5, cruisers require cruisers lvl 5. ah forgot about that since I havent bothered training the skill myself :P but a bit odd though that as long as you got all the other reuqirement you only need a crusier lvl2 to fly each race ship. Something is wrong here. Tomb.... Tomb.... where are you?
Tarm	Posted - 2004.09.24 14:11:00 - [73] Originally by: Arud ah forgot about that since I havent bothered training the skill myself :P but a bit odd though that as long as you got all the other reuqirement you only need a crusier lvl2 to fly each race ship. Something is wrong here. Tomb.... Tomb.... where are you? Like I said in my above post, I think it isn't correct. I have a feeling the requirements will be the following: Cruiser lvl 5 Assault Ships lvl 4 (and associated skill requirements) Starship Command lvl 5 -------------------
Tarm	Posted - 2004.09.24 14:11:00 - [74] Originally by: Arud ah forgot about that since I havent bothered training the skill myself :P but a bit odd though that as long as you got all the other reuqirement you only need a crusier lvl2 to fly each race ship. Something is wrong here. Tomb.... Tomb.... where are you? Like I said in my above post, I think it isn't correct. I have a feeling the requirements will be the following: Cruiser lvl 5 Assault Ships lvl 4 (and associated skill requirements) Starship Command lvl 5 -------------------
Arud	Posted - 2004.09.24 14:14:00 - [75] Originally by: Tarm Originally by: Arud ah forgot about that since I havent bothered training the skill myself :P but a bit odd though that as long as you got all the other reuqirement you only need a crusier lvl2 to fly each race ship. Something is wrong here. Tomb.... Tomb.... where are you? Like I said in my above post, I think it isn't correct. I have a feeling the requirements will be the following: Cruiser lvl 5 Assault Ships lvl 4 (and associated skill requirements) Starship Command lvl 5 and heavy assault ship lvl 1 thats my guess
Arud	Posted - 2004.09.24 14:14:00 - [76] Originally by: Tarm Originally by: Arud ah forgot about that since I havent bothered training the skill myself :P but a bit odd though that as long as you got all the other reuqirement you only need a crusier lvl2 to fly each race ship. Something is wrong here. Tomb.... Tomb.... where are you? Like I said in my above post, I think it isn't correct. I have a feeling the requirements will be the following: Cruiser lvl 5 Assault Ships lvl 4 (and associated skill requirements) Starship Command lvl 5 and heavy assault ship lvl 1 thats my guess
DarkMatters	Posted - 2004.09.24 14:15:00 - [77] Originally by: Teeth The rupture hull one's a bit ****ty. 4 low slots? Tracking bonus? It does have 5 turret slots but then again it's an assault ship. Some feedback for CCP, if it's gonna be a long range ship (with the optimal bonus it seems like it will be) change the tracking bonus on it to a damage bonus. I almost think the stabber's gonna be the prize pick of the minnie ships as a fast cruiser that can actually fit stuff. The maller's pretty sweet best minitank this side of battleships. The vexor's pretty good too with the ability to field what, like 14 drones at 65km with a 5000 drone bay? The caracal's good too. Now about the rank 6 skill at level 5... I hope they're gonna change that to 4. :-/ your joking i take it? heres the ruptor hulls bonuses Minmatar Cruiser Skill Bonus: 5% bonus to Medium Projectile Turret rate of fire and 5% bonus to Medium Projectile Turret damage per level Heavy Assault Ship Skill Bonus: 10% bonus to Medium Projectile Turret optimal range and 5% bonus to Medium Projectile Turret tracking speed per level so you have 4 (every single bonus) to your ships guns, do you realise how much damage thats going to be able to put out?
DarkMatters	Posted - 2004.09.24 14:15:00 - [78] Originally by: Teeth The rupture hull one's a bit ****ty. 4 low slots? Tracking bonus? It does have 5 turret slots but then again it's an assault ship. Some feedback for CCP, if it's gonna be a long range ship (with the optimal bonus it seems like it will be) change the tracking bonus on it to a damage bonus. I almost think the stabber's gonna be the prize pick of the minnie ships as a fast cruiser that can actually fit stuff. The maller's pretty sweet best minitank this side of battleships. The vexor's pretty good too with the ability to field what, like 14 drones at 65km with a 5000 drone bay? The caracal's good too. Now about the rank 6 skill at level 5... I hope they're gonna change that to 4. :-/ your joking i take it? heres the ruptor hulls bonuses Minmatar Cruiser Skill Bonus: 5% bonus to Medium Projectile Turret rate of fire and 5% bonus to Medium Projectile Turret damage per level Heavy Assault Ship Skill Bonus: 10% bonus to Medium Projectile Turret optimal range and 5% bonus to Medium Projectile Turret tracking speed per level so you have 4 (every single bonus) to your ships guns, do you realise how much damage thats going to be able to put out?
temp1	Posted - 2004.09.24 14:43:00 - [79] if i've got this right, taking the amarr ship bonus for 5% damage resist per level (25% if you need cruiser level 5), the sacrilege will get armour resists of 70% EM 85% Explosive 71.875% kinetic 51.25% thermal So no need for additional hardners if you don't want them. Throw a thermal hardner and a tech 2 energised nano membrane and if I'm right you get 76% EM 88% Explosive 77.5% Kinetic 84.5% thermal If this is right then it will be as the write up says "a monster". Add the khanid paint job and this is the ship I want
temp1	Posted - 2004.09.24 14:43:00 - [80] if i've got this right, taking the amarr ship bonus for 5% damage resist per level (25% if you need cruiser level 5), the sacrilege will get armour resists of 70% EM 85% Explosive 71.875% kinetic 51.25% thermal So no need for additional hardners if you don't want them. Throw a thermal hardner and a tech 2 energised nano membrane and if I'm right you get 76% EM 88% Explosive 77.5% Kinetic 84.5% thermal If this is right then it will be as the write up says "a monster". Add the khanid paint job and this is the ship I want
throbbinnoggin	Posted - 2004.09.24 14:54:00 - [81] B4 anyone gets too excited anyone wanna take a guess as to the price tag of one of these babies. How about insurance coverage or as I predict the relative lack thereof. While I admit the Sacrilege has got my mouth watering the initial cost as well as the pain of loosing 1 is a primary consideration for me. Screenies: http://hstrial-eve.homestead.com/index.html Just in case if someone could take these and post to an unlimited page (this one has 1 Gig I learned) that would be best. BTW this is/was my 1st attempt at setting up a webpage in any manner so forgive the ignorant noob. Tis better to be silent and be thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt. 'Abraham Lincoln'
throbbinnoggin	Posted - 2004.09.24 14:54:00 - [82] B4 anyone gets too excited anyone wanna take a guess as to the price tag of one of these babies. How about insurance coverage or as I predict the relative lack thereof. While I admit the Sacrilege has got my mouth watering the initial cost as well as the pain of loosing 1 is a primary consideration for me. Screenies: http://hstrial-eve.homestead.com/index.html Just in case if someone could take these and post to an unlimited page (this one has 1 Gig I learned) that would be best. BTW this is/was my 1st attempt at setting up a webpage in any manner so forgive the ignorant noob. Tis better to be silent and be thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt. 'Abraham Lincoln'
Damocles Ician	Posted - 2004.09.24 15:09:00 - [83] The Ishtar drone bonuse doesn't feel enough. Maybe 5% extra to drone damage instead of the drone size bonus, or even another +1 drone control per level (yeah - think of the lag!) I notice the vagabond is classed as a patrol cruiser, but I imagine most things will get looked at strongly before being released to us! I reckon the Amarr ships are definitely coming out tops with this range of ships. Both of theirs look nails. -------------
Damocles Ician	Posted - 2004.09.24 15:09:00 - [84] The Ishtar drone bonuse doesn't feel enough. Maybe 5% extra to drone damage instead of the drone size bonus, or even another +1 drone control per level (yeah - think of the lag!) I notice the vagabond is classed as a patrol cruiser, but I imagine most things will get looked at strongly before being released to us! I reckon the Amarr ships are definitely coming out tops with this range of ships. Both of theirs look nails. -------------
Shevar	Posted - 2004.09.24 15:10:00 - [85] Originally by: throbbinnoggin B4 anyone gets too excited anyone wanna take a guess as to the price tag of one of these babies. How about insurance coverage or as I predict the relative lack thereof. While I admit the Sacrilege has got my mouth watering the initial cost as well as the pain of loosing 1 is a primary consideration for me. Screenies: http://hstrial-eve.homestead.com/index.html Just in case if someone could take these and post to an unlimited page (this one has 1 Gig I learned) that would be best. BTW this is/was my 1st attempt at setting up a webpage in any manner so forgive the ignorant noob. I would't mind paying 100 to 150m for such a ship if i could fly it (atleast right after release). And 75m after there are more bpos etc. is alright as well... As for the website, works perferctly fine for me. -------- -The only real drug problem is scoring real good drugs
Shevar	Posted - 2004.09.24 15:10:00 - [86] Originally by: throbbinnoggin B4 anyone gets too excited anyone wanna take a guess as to the price tag of one of these babies. How about insurance coverage or as I predict the relative lack thereof. While I admit the Sacrilege has got my mouth watering the initial cost as well as the pain of loosing 1 is a primary consideration for me. Screenies: http://hstrial-eve.homestead.com/index.html Just in case if someone could take these and post to an unlimited page (this one has 1 Gig I learned) that would be best. BTW this is/was my 1st attempt at setting up a webpage in any manner so forgive the ignorant noob. I would't mind paying 100 to 150m for such a ship if i could fly it (atleast right after release). And 75m after there are more bpos etc. is alright as well... As for the website, works perferctly fine for me. -------- -The only real drug problem is scoring real good drugs
Idara	Posted - 2004.09.24 15:23:00 - [87] I want that Caracal one....really. Idara Section Leader - Security & Warfare Member of Metatron Incorporated
Idara	Posted - 2004.09.24 15:23:00 - [88] I want that Caracal one....really. Idara Section Leader - Security & Warfare Member of Metatron Incorporated
Amitious Turkey	Posted - 2004.09.24 15:35:00 - [89] man i would luv a Deimos for mining u could fit What? a med smartbomb then take out the pirates that way......tho im more a drone guy so i mite go for the Ishtar.... gotta luv those drones muahahahah
Amitious Turkey	Posted - 2004.09.24 15:35:00 - [90] man i would luv a Deimos for mining u could fit What? a med smartbomb then take out the pirates that way......tho im more a drone guy so i mite go for the Ishtar.... gotta luv those drones muahahahah
Meridius	Posted - 2004.09.24 15:58:00 - [91] Originally by: Idara I want that Caracal one....really. Me to. It's funny that the amarr heavy assaults have a max of 4 turrets while the thorax one has 5. I guess we can offically throw the 'amarr are turret humping lovebirds' crap out the door. ________________________________________________________
Meridius	Posted - 2004.09.24 15:58:00 - [92] Originally by: Idara I want that Caracal one....really. Me to. It's funny that the amarr heavy assaults have a max of 4 turrets while the thorax one has 5. I guess we can offically throw the 'amarr are turret humping lovebirds' crap out the door. ________________________________________________________
Shlub	Posted - 2004.09.24 16:16:00 - [93] The maller class one has got me confused. It still gets that nice armor resist bonus right? but they made it a shield based ship? that sucks if you ask me. I would rather of had the omen as the shield tanker and the maller as the armor tanker maybe i'm wrong tho? ---------- "When You have to kill a man it costs nothing to be polite"
Shlub	Posted - 2004.09.24 16:16:00 - [94] The maller class one has got me confused. It still gets that nice armor resist bonus right? but they made it a shield based ship? that sucks if you ask me. I would rather of had the omen as the shield tanker and the maller as the armor tanker maybe i'm wrong tho? ---------- "When You have to kill a man it costs nothing to be polite"
fairimear	Posted - 2004.09.24 16:18:00 - [95] mwd bonus on blaster deimos means im gona make all ya bs pillots pheer the uber ganka cruiser. (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world Domination.
fairimear	Posted - 2004.09.24 16:18:00 - [96] mwd bonus on blaster deimos means im gona make all ya bs pillots pheer the uber ganka cruiser. (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world Domination.
Bad'Boy	Posted - 2004.09.24 16:31:00 - [97] I'm the only one who think that that missile fligh time bonus on that tecH II caracal is useless? 5%vel to missiles would be more usefull.... B.A.D.B.O.Y.: Biomechanical Android Designed for Battle and Online Yelling "Bad Boys,Bad Boys, what you gonna do, what you gonna do when WE come for yoU"
Bad'Boy	Posted - 2004.09.24 16:31:00 - [98] I'm the only one who think that that missile fligh time bonus on that tecH II caracal is useless? 5%vel to missiles would be more usefull.... B.A.D.B.O.Y.: Biomechanical Android Designed for Battle and Online Yelling "Bad Boys,Bad Boys, what you gonna do, what you gonna do when WE come for yoU"
Necrologic	Posted - 2004.09.24 16:42:00 - [99] can somone please post a working screen shot? _______________________________________________________ Et nunc, reges, intelligite, erudimini, qui judicati terram.
Necrologic	Posted - 2004.09.24 16:42:00 - [100] can somone please post a working screen shot? _______________________________________________________ Et nunc, reges, intelligite, erudimini, qui judicati terram.
fairimear	Posted - 2004.09.24 17:58:00 - [101] ul have to goto ent most screens of ships that are not in TQ r moderated for some reason. (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world Domination.
fairimear	Posted - 2004.09.24 17:58:00 - [102] ul have to goto ent most screens of ships that are not in TQ r moderated for some reason. (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world Domination.
Shadowsword	Posted - 2004.09.24 18:09:00 - [103] Skills requirments have been updated: each ship now need: Cruiser V Spaceship command V Weapon upgrade V Assault ships IV Heavy assault ship I Note that the skill heavy assault ships cost 32 millions ! For those who can't log on entropy, here a preview of the stats: Muninn: 1000 structure,1425 armor,1125 shield, 1000 cap 185m/s, 500 drone space, 55km targ range, 130 sig rad. 355 CPU/950Grid, 5 turrets and 3 launchers slot layout: 7/4/4 Assault Bonus: 5% to tracking and optimal per lvl. Vagabond: 700 structure, 950 armor, 1175 shield, 850 cap 220m/s, 500 drone space, 50km targ range, 115 sig rad. 325 CPU/725 grid, 4 turrets and 2 launchers slot layout: 6/4/5 Assault bonus: 10% falloff and 5% turret damage per lvl. Deimos: 1800 structure, 1450 armor, 825 shield, 1100 cap 155m/s, 1000 drone cap, 65km targ range, 160 sig rad. 330 CPU/860 Grid, 5 turrets slot layout 6/3/6 Assault bonus: 10% falloff and 5% turret damage per lvl. Ishtar: 1500 structure, 1150 armor, 1000 shield, 900 cap 175m/s, 2500 drone cap, 60km targ range, 145 sig rad. 285 CPU/700Grid, 3 turrets slot layout 5/5/5 Assault bonus: +5km drone range and +500 drone space per lvl. Sacrilege: 1200 structure, 1150 armor, 1325 shield, 1300 cap 160m/s, 250 drone space, 60km targ range, 140 sig rad 320 CPU/1000Grid, 4 turrets and 3 launchers slot layout 6/4/5 Assault bonus: +10% optimal turret range and 5% bonus to missile launcher RoF per lvl. This one look half Amarr, half Caldari. Sacrilege is an apt name for it Zealot: 1200 structure, 1600 armor, 700 shield, 1000 cap 195m/s, 500 drone space, 55km range, 125 sig rad. 315CPU/1090Grid, 4 turrets slot layout 5/3/7 Assault bonus: +10% optimal and 5% damage per lvl. To be continued...
Shadowsword	Posted - 2004.09.24 18:09:00 - [104] Skills requirments have been updated: each ship now need: Cruiser V Spaceship command V Weapon upgrade V Assault ships IV Heavy assault ship I Note that the skill heavy assault ships cost 32 millions ! For those who can't log on entropy, here a preview of the stats: Muninn: 1000 structure,1425 armor,1125 shield, 1000 cap 185m/s, 500 drone space, 55km targ range, 130 sig rad. 355 CPU/950Grid, 5 turrets and 3 launchers slot layout: 7/4/4 Assault Bonus: 5% to tracking and optimal per lvl. Vagabond: 700 structure, 950 armor, 1175 shield, 850 cap 220m/s, 500 drone space, 50km targ range, 115 sig rad. 325 CPU/725 grid, 4 turrets and 2 launchers slot layout: 6/4/5 Assault bonus: 10% falloff and 5% turret damage per lvl. Deimos: 1800 structure, 1450 armor, 825 shield, 1100 cap 155m/s, 1000 drone cap, 65km targ range, 160 sig rad. 330 CPU/860 Grid, 5 turrets slot layout 6/3/6 Assault bonus: 10% falloff and 5% turret damage per lvl. Ishtar: 1500 structure, 1150 armor, 1000 shield, 900 cap 175m/s, 2500 drone cap, 60km targ range, 145 sig rad. 285 CPU/700Grid, 3 turrets slot layout 5/5/5 Assault bonus: +5km drone range and +500 drone space per lvl. Sacrilege: 1200 structure, 1150 armor, 1325 shield, 1300 cap 160m/s, 250 drone space, 60km targ range, 140 sig rad 320 CPU/1000Grid, 4 turrets and 3 launchers slot layout 6/4/5 Assault bonus: +10% optimal turret range and 5% bonus to missile launcher RoF per lvl. This one look half Amarr, half Caldari. Sacrilege is an apt name for it Zealot: 1200 structure, 1600 armor, 700 shield, 1000 cap 195m/s, 500 drone space, 55km range, 125 sig rad. 315CPU/1090Grid, 4 turrets slot layout 5/3/7 Assault bonus: +10% optimal and 5% damage per lvl. To be continued...
fairimear	Posted - 2004.09.24 18:17:00 - [105] 50 ish days training if u have lvl4 in them first and assault frig to. (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world Domination.
fairimear	Posted - 2004.09.24 18:17:00 - [106] 50 ish days training if u have lvl4 in them first and assault frig to. (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world Domination.
Bad'Boy	Posted - 2004.09.24 18:25:00 - [107] Originally by: fairimear 50 ish days training if u have lvl4 in them first and assault frig to. dont forget that there will be advance learning skills 2 B.A.D.B.O.Y.: Biomechanical Android Designed for Battle and Online Yelling "Bad Boys,Bad Boys, what you gonna do, what you gonna do when WE come for yoU"
Bad'Boy	Posted - 2004.09.24 18:25:00 - [108] Originally by: fairimear 50 ish days training if u have lvl4 in them first and assault frig to. dont forget that there will be advance learning skills 2 B.A.D.B.O.Y.: Biomechanical Android Designed for Battle and Online Yelling "Bad Boys,Bad Boys, what you gonna do, what you gonna do when WE come for yoU"
Shadowsword	Posted - 2004.09.24 18:34:00 - [109] Cerberus: 1000 structure, 850 armor, 1425 shield, 850 cap 170m/s, 0 drone space, 80km targ range, 135 sig rad. 440 CPU/635Grid, 5 launchers slot layout: 6/5/4 Assault Bonus: 10% bonus to light and heavy missile flight time and 5% launcher RoF per lvl. Eagle: 1100 structure, 900 armor, 1500 shield, 1100 cap 160m/s, 0 drone space, 70km targ range, 150 sig rad. 438 CPU/875 Grid, 4 turrets and 2 launchers slot layout 6/5/4 Assault bonus: 10% optimal bonus and 5% hydrid turret damage per lvl.
Shadowsword	Posted - 2004.09.24 18:34:00 - [110] Cerberus: 1000 structure, 850 armor, 1425 shield, 850 cap 170m/s, 0 drone space, 80km targ range, 135 sig rad. 440 CPU/635Grid, 5 launchers slot layout: 6/5/4 Assault Bonus: 10% bonus to light and heavy missile flight time and 5% launcher RoF per lvl. Eagle: 1100 structure, 900 armor, 1500 shield, 1100 cap 160m/s, 0 drone space, 70km targ range, 150 sig rad. 438 CPU/875 Grid, 4 turrets and 2 launchers slot layout 6/5/4 Assault bonus: 10% optimal bonus and 5% hydrid turret damage per lvl.
Caine	Posted - 2004.09.24 19:36:00 - [111] Oh man, the minmatar one is like a wet dream... I'd sell my little black soul for it. but to be honest I'm guessing it's going to cost uber amounts of money, so I doubt I'll get one :-( if it cost anything near a BS (after afew weeks of being released) then it's silly.
Caine	Posted - 2004.09.24 19:36:00 - [112] Oh man, the minmatar one is like a wet dream... I'd sell my little black soul for it. but to be honest I'm guessing it's going to cost uber amounts of money, so I doubt I'll get one :-( if it cost anything near a BS (after afew weeks of being released) then it's silly.
Lurk	Posted - 2004.09.24 19:39:00 - [113] Originally by: Caine Oh man, the minmatar one is like a wet dream... I'd sell my little black soul for it. but to be honest I'm guessing it's going to cost uber amounts of money, so I doubt I'll get one :-( if it cost anything near a BS (after afew weeks of being released) then it's silly. Well the biggest problem for most people won't be the money but the skill reqs. I hope they will cost 50-100 mil, maybe more. They are as dangerous as a BS and far more versatile if you ask me, so they deserve a drawback.
Lurk	Posted - 2004.09.24 19:39:00 - [114] Originally by: Caine Oh man, the minmatar one is like a wet dream... I'd sell my little black soul for it. but to be honest I'm guessing it's going to cost uber amounts of money, so I doubt I'll get one :-( if it cost anything near a BS (after afew weeks of being released) then it's silly. Well the biggest problem for most people won't be the money but the skill reqs. I hope they will cost 50-100 mil, maybe more. They are as dangerous as a BS and far more versatile if you ask me, so they deserve a drawback.
Celt Eireson	Posted - 2004.09.24 20:03:00 - [115] Edited by: Celt Eireson on 26/09/2004 12:42:58 Skill time isn't too bad for me, already have ship command at 5, will have cruiser 5 in about a week, about 10 days to get weapons upgrade 5, and about 5 days I think for assault frigate 4. So about 20 days all told. Quite like the vagabond, may not have quite as many high slots as the Munin but the speed bonus I like, slightly faster than the stabber with close to 350 base speed with navigation 5, would make a great agent runner Also given the bonuses to thermal and EM hardening they both look like they'd be decent at shield boosting given that they'd only really need one hardener and would have a min resist of two at 60%, one at 70, and one at 75. Armor tanking would be a lot harder, need two hardeners + repairer to work so 3 out of 4 of your low slots gone in the Muninn. Be interesting to try them both, but chance would be a fine thing! Slight amendment, looks like either the slot layout was misquoted or has been changed for the Muninn, now showing as 7/3/5 which means it'll have to armour tank, pity given that the resists would probably make shield tanking easier.
Celt Eireson	Posted - 2004.09.24 20:03:00 - [116] Edited by: Celt Eireson on 26/09/2004 12:42:58 Skill time isn't too bad for me, already have ship command at 5, will have cruiser 5 in about a week, about 10 days to get weapons upgrade 5, and about 5 days I think for assault frigate 4. So about 20 days all told. Quite like the vagabond, may not have quite as many high slots as the Munin but the speed bonus I like, slightly faster than the stabber with close to 350 base speed with navigation 5, would make a great agent runner Also given the bonuses to thermal and EM hardening they both look like they'd be decent at shield boosting given that they'd only really need one hardener and would have a min resist of two at 60%, one at 70, and one at 75. Armor tanking would be a lot harder, need two hardeners + repairer to work so 3 out of 4 of your low slots gone in the Muninn. Be interesting to try them both, but chance would be a fine thing! Slight amendment, looks like either the slot layout was misquoted or has been changed for the Muninn, now showing as 7/3/5 which means it'll have to armour tank, pity given that the resists would probably make shield tanking easier.
Gaius Kador	Posted - 2004.09.24 20:07:00 - [117] The Khanid designs are so sick :) Zealot for me, all the way... ----------------------------------------------
Gaius Kador	Posted - 2004.09.24 20:07:00 - [118] The Khanid designs are so sick :) Zealot for me, all the way... ----------------------------------------------
Selim	Posted - 2004.09.25 00:09:00 - [119] You dont need heavy assault ships 5, you need level 1 or 2. By the way, the Ishtar's drone range bonus is lame.
Selim	Posted - 2004.09.25 00:09:00 - [120] You dont need heavy assault ships 5, you need level 1 or 2. By the way, the Ishtar's drone range bonus is lame.
Zak Kingsman	Posted - 2004.09.25 02:27:00 - [121] Edited by: Zak Kingsman on 25/09/2004 02:39:13 shadowsword could you post the races for each ship as well so I know for sure instead of making educated guesses? And hulls too.
Zak Kingsman	Posted - 2004.09.25 02:27:00 - [122] Edited by: Zak Kingsman on 25/09/2004 02:39:13 shadowsword could you post the races for each ship as well so I know for sure instead of making educated guesses? And hulls too.
SLIM	Posted - 2004.09.25 02:45:00 - [123] It's in this order, with two per category (obviously): minmatar gallente amarr caldari The bonuses make them pretty self evident though. ---------------------------
SLIM	Posted - 2004.09.25 02:45:00 - [124] It's in this order, with two per category (obviously): minmatar gallente amarr caldari The bonuses make them pretty self evident though. ---------------------------
Jalvon Ryder	Posted - 2004.09.25 02:49:00 - [125] The homestead webbie with screenshots is down due to high traffic....
Jalvon Ryder	Posted - 2004.09.25 02:49:00 - [126] The homestead webbie with screenshots is down due to high traffic....
GeorgeZ	Posted - 2004.09.25 04:36:00 - [127] Edited by: GeorgeZ on 25/09/2004 04:43:23 I think the Sacrilige is kind of wierd, it too spread out with the bonuses. I mean it got great aromr resistence but it got lower armor then shields. And for the turrets its got only a range bonus no dmg bonus. From how I see it this ship aint gonna be able to compete with other heavy assualt ships.. not against a zealot or a demois even with its high armor resistences (before some guy askes this question.. the answer is: no I have not flown the ship and yes I could be wrong ) Anyways... the Zealot rocks!!!! BTW when are this ships comming out? BTW
GeorgeZ	Posted - 2004.09.25 04:36:00 - [128] Edited by: GeorgeZ on 25/09/2004 04:43:23 I think the Sacrilige is kind of wierd, it too spread out with the bonuses. I mean it got great aromr resistence but it got lower armor then shields. And for the turrets its got only a range bonus no dmg bonus. From how I see it this ship aint gonna be able to compete with other heavy assualt ships.. not against a zealot or a demois even with its high armor resistences (before some guy askes this question.. the answer is: no I have not flown the ship and yes I could be wrong ) Anyways... the Zealot rocks!!!! BTW when are this ships comming out? BTW
SLIM	Posted - 2004.09.25 05:13:00 - [129] Originally by: GeorgeZ Edited by: GeorgeZ on 25/09/2004 04:43:23 I think the Sacrilige is kind of wierd, it too spread out with the bonuses. I mean it got great aromr resistence but it got lower armor then shields. And for the turrets its got only a range bonus no dmg bonus. From how I see it this ship aint gonna be able to compete with other heavy assualt ships.. not against a zealot or a demois even with its high armor resistences (before some guy askes this question.. the answer is: no I have not flown the ship and yes I could be wrong ) Anyways... the Zealot rocks!!!! BTW when are this ships comming out? BTW I agree, the zealot rocks, but the sacrilege is equally nasty I think. All its base resists will be above 50%. Then there's the fact that it gets 2 extra missile slots above the zealot, there's a damage bonus for you. ---------------------------
SLIM	Posted - 2004.09.25 05:13:00 - [130] Originally by: GeorgeZ Edited by: GeorgeZ on 25/09/2004 04:43:23 I think the Sacrilige is kind of wierd, it too spread out with the bonuses. I mean it got great aromr resistence but it got lower armor then shields. And for the turrets its got only a range bonus no dmg bonus. From how I see it this ship aint gonna be able to compete with other heavy assualt ships.. not against a zealot or a demois even with its high armor resistences (before some guy askes this question.. the answer is: no I have not flown the ship and yes I could be wrong ) Anyways... the Zealot rocks!!!! BTW when are this ships comming out? BTW I agree, the zealot rocks, but the sacrilege is equally nasty I think. All its base resists will be above 50%. Then there's the fact that it gets 2 extra missile slots above the zealot, there's a damage bonus for you. ---------------------------
Selim	Posted - 2004.09.25 06:47:00 - [131] Zealots only got 4 guns, though. Sacrilege looks pretty nice. I'd say they all seem to have their uses. The Eagle (moa)looks like its a super long range sniper... The Caracal one's obviously the missile king. The Vagabond (stabber) is a good skirmish ship - quick, versatile and powerful. The Rupture one is obviously an artillery deathship. Hell, even though artillery and projectiles suck, the bonuses might actually make them decent. The Thorax... well its going to be a nightmare. Heavy Ions or Neutrons on that thing are going to be the worst nightmare of everyone. A heavy ion with a damage bonus and rate of fire bonus will actually outdamage even a neutron blaster on a megathron. The Ishtar (vexor) looks very specialized as a long range drone ship. It potentially can hold 5000 m3 of drones while using 15 at once. 15 heavy drones takes up 3750, leaving 1250 space left for replacements or light drones. Heavy Drones on an ishtar would have a max range of over 50km. I'd say this would be a fearsome opponent. Zealot is obviously the laser and armor king. Only having 4 turrets, however, will limit its damage potential, but its certainly going to be an excellent tank, with 7 lowslots. And the Sacrilege, probably the oddest Amarr ship I have ever seen. Its going to be extremely hard to kill, shields or armor.
Selim	Posted - 2004.09.25 06:47:00 - [132] Zealots only got 4 guns, though. Sacrilege looks pretty nice. I'd say they all seem to have their uses. The Eagle (moa)looks like its a super long range sniper... The Caracal one's obviously the missile king. The Vagabond (stabber) is a good skirmish ship - quick, versatile and powerful. The Rupture one is obviously an artillery deathship. Hell, even though artillery and projectiles suck, the bonuses might actually make them decent. The Thorax... well its going to be a nightmare. Heavy Ions or Neutrons on that thing are going to be the worst nightmare of everyone. A heavy ion with a damage bonus and rate of fire bonus will actually outdamage even a neutron blaster on a megathron. The Ishtar (vexor) looks very specialized as a long range drone ship. It potentially can hold 5000 m3 of drones while using 15 at once. 15 heavy drones takes up 3750, leaving 1250 space left for replacements or light drones. Heavy Drones on an ishtar would have a max range of over 50km. I'd say this would be a fearsome opponent. Zealot is obviously the laser and armor king. Only having 4 turrets, however, will limit its damage potential, but its certainly going to be an excellent tank, with 7 lowslots. And the Sacrilege, probably the oddest Amarr ship I have ever seen. Its going to be extremely hard to kill, shields or armor.
Shadowsword	Posted - 2004.09.25 08:02:00 - [133] Originally by: Selim The Thorax... well its going to be a nightmare. Heavy Ions or Neutrons on that thing are going to be the worst nightmare of everyone. A heavy ion with a damage bonus and rate of fire bonus will actually outdamage even a neutron blaster on a megathron. Actually the Deimos got 2 damage bonuses, not a damage and a RoF one, and I don't think it will do more damage than a mega neutron blaster on a Mega. I think they'll do approximatively the same DoT. For the rest.
Shadowsword	Posted - 2004.09.25 08:02:00 - [134] Originally by: Selim The Thorax... well its going to be a nightmare. Heavy Ions or Neutrons on that thing are going to be the worst nightmare of everyone. A heavy ion with a damage bonus and rate of fire bonus will actually outdamage even a neutron blaster on a megathron. Actually the Deimos got 2 damage bonuses, not a damage and a RoF one, and I don't think it will do more damage than a mega neutron blaster on a Mega. I think they'll do approximatively the same DoT. For the rest.
Celt Eireson	Posted - 2004.09.25 10:07:00 - [135] May not see them for quite a while even if they are released on the 28th. The assault frigates needed level 5 frigate construction, these might need level 5 cruiser construction, and I doubt many, if any, have got that skill trained to level 5 yet even if it its out yet?
Celt Eireson	Posted - 2004.09.25 10:07:00 - [136] May not see them for quite a while even if they are released on the 28th. The assault frigates needed level 5 frigate construction, these might need level 5 cruiser construction, and I doubt many, if any, have got that skill trained to level 5 yet even if it its out yet?
fairimear	Posted - 2004.09.25 10:09:00 - [137] i kinda hope we dont see them for a month even if they r ingame. atleast i can get a large ammount of the skills done then. (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world Domination.
fairimear	Posted - 2004.09.25 10:09:00 - [138] i kinda hope we dont see them for a month even if they r ingame. atleast i can get a large ammount of the skills done then. (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world Domination.
Lagar	Posted - 2004.09.25 11:39:00 - [139] dont worry you will have advanced learning before that :)
Lagar	Posted - 2004.09.25 11:39:00 - [140] dont worry you will have advanced learning before that :)
fairimear	Posted - 2004.09.25 12:54:00 - [141] my learning timetable is engi 5 and mech 5. assault ship 2-3. adv perception. gallente cruiser v. adv intel h assault 3-4. (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world Domination.
fairimear	Posted - 2004.09.25 12:54:00 - [142] my learning timetable is engi 5 and mech 5. assault ship 2-3. adv perception. gallente cruiser v. adv intel h assault 3-4. (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world Domination.
Discorporation	Posted - 2004.09.25 12:57:00 - [143] I want them all. 4 hi slots is a bit of a shame, but I'm sure we can cram heavy beam lasers in there. 7 lo-slots is a godsend on a cruiser. A medium armor repairer, three Energised Nano II's and some heat sinks = win. [Heterocephalus glaber]
Discorporation	Posted - 2004.09.25 12:57:00 - [144] I want them all. 4 hi slots is a bit of a shame, but I'm sure we can cram heavy beam lasers in there. 7 lo-slots is a godsend on a cruiser. A medium armor repairer, three Energised Nano II's and some heat sinks = win. [Heterocephalus glaber]
Directive	Posted - 2004.09.25 13:28:00 - [145] Bet they'll cost 200m at start... Or more. If assault frigates go for nearly the price of a Tier1 BS at worst, what will these go for? Still, got my preliminary Deimos fitting done
Directive	Posted - 2004.09.25 13:28:00 - [146] Bet they'll cost 200m at start... Or more. If assault frigates go for nearly the price of a Tier1 BS at worst, what will these go for? Still, got my preliminary Deimos fitting done
Devineflid	Posted - 2004.09.25 17:56:00 - [147] the rupture hull ship will be a beast after shiva, as projectile weapons are supposedly getting some love. i am also confused about the bonuses of the sacrilege, but i suppose something with that high armor resistances needs a little less armor to not be invulnerable....or something, i nanoswonder if you could cram it full of adaptive nanos and turn it's armor resistances into a polaris. you do the maths, i'm too lazy ============================================== Have you ever wondered who was responsible for the "do not attempt to stop chain with hand or genitals" type notes on things? well it was me, or at le
Devineflid	Posted - 2004.09.25 17:56:00 - [148] the rupture hull ship will be a beast after shiva, as projectile weapons are supposedly getting some love. i am also confused about the bonuses of the sacrilege, but i suppose something with that high armor resistances needs a little less armor to not be invulnerable....or something, i nanoswonder if you could cram it full of adaptive nanos and turn it's armor resistances into a polaris. you do the maths, i'm too lazy ============================================== Have you ever wondered who was responsible for the "do not attempt to stop chain with hand or genitals" type notes on things? well it was me, or at le
KingsGambit	Posted - 2004.09.25 18:22:00 - [149] Edited by: KingsGambit on 25/09/2004 18:39:18 I've posted screenshots of all 8 assault cruisers, which can be found by clicking here. And from stats, I think the Munin is an awesome ship, though the Sacrilege, Eagle and Deimos are pretty hot too. Might even be worth training for one...but then cruiser & weapon upgrades 5....maybe not. ------------- BYOC Crow Interceptor Deals
KingsGambit	Posted - 2004.09.25 18:22:00 - [150] Edited by: KingsGambit on 25/09/2004 18:39:18 I've posted screenshots of all 8 assault cruisers, which can be found by clicking here. And from stats, I think the Munin is an awesome ship, though the Sacrilege, Eagle and Deimos are pretty hot too. Might even be worth training for one...but then cruiser & weapon upgrades 5....maybe not. ------------- BYOC Crow Interceptor Deals
Selim	Posted - 2004.09.25 19:44:00 - [151] Weapon Upgrades 5 is a skill you should have anyway. Especially that tech 2 weapons use more CPU.
Selim	Posted - 2004.09.25 19:44:00 - [152] Weapon Upgrades 5 is a skill you should have anyway. Especially that tech 2 weapons use more CPU.
Grimpak	Posted - 2004.09.25 20:57:00 - [153] Originally by: KingsGambit Edited by: KingsGambit on 25/09/2004 18:39:18 I've posted screenshots of all 8 assault cruisers, which can be found by clicking here. And from stats, I think the Munin is an awesome ship, though the Sacrilege, Eagle and Deimos are pretty hot too. Might even be worth training for one...but then cruiser & weapon upgrades 5....maybe not. don't forget the vagabond. still fast as ever ------------------- Quote: Fragm's Oversized Ego Cannon barely scratches the forums, inflicting omgnoonecares damage
Grimpak	Posted - 2004.09.25 20:57:00 - [154] Originally by: KingsGambit Edited by: KingsGambit on 25/09/2004 18:39:18 I've posted screenshots of all 8 assault cruisers, which can be found by clicking here. And from stats, I think the Munin is an awesome ship, though the Sacrilege, Eagle and Deimos are pretty hot too. Might even be worth training for one...but then cruiser & weapon upgrades 5....maybe not. don't forget the vagabond. still fast as ever ------------------- Quote: Fragm's Oversized Ego Cannon barely scratches the forums, inflicting omgnoonecares damage
Shevar	Posted - 2004.09.25 21:41:00 - [155] Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: KingsGambit Edited by: KingsGambit on 25/09/2004 18:39:18 I've posted screenshots of all 8 assault cruisers, which can be found by clicking here. And from stats, I think the Munin is an awesome ship, though the Sacrilege, Eagle and Deimos are pretty hot too. Might even be worth training for one...but then cruiser & weapon upgrades 5....maybe not. don't forget the vagabond. still fast as ever Notice the word heavy ;) -------- -The only real drug problem is scoring real good drugs
Shevar	Posted - 2004.09.25 21:41:00 - [156] Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: KingsGambit Edited by: KingsGambit on 25/09/2004 18:39:18 I've posted screenshots of all 8 assault cruisers, which can be found by clicking here. And from stats, I think the Munin is an awesome ship, though the Sacrilege, Eagle and Deimos are pretty hot too. Might even be worth training for one...but then cruiser & weapon upgrades 5....maybe not. don't forget the vagabond. still fast as ever Notice the word heavy ;) -------- -The only real drug problem is scoring real good drugs
Van Halen	Posted - 2004.09.25 21:48:00 - [157] cruiser five is guna take me forever, i should have the skills by next christmas. 2004.09.10 01:59:13 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your Heavy Neutron Blaster I perfectly strikes Ater Draconis [MYT], wrecking for 361.2 damage.
Van Halen	Posted - 2004.09.25 21:48:00 - [158] cruiser five is guna take me forever, i should have the skills by next christmas. 2004.09.10 01:59:13 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your Heavy Neutron Blaster I perfectly strikes Ater Draconis [MYT], wrecking for 361.2 damage.
Celt Eireson	Posted - 2004.09.25 22:51:00 - [159] Edited by: Celt Eireson on 25/09/2004 23:01:02 One thing that's maybe been overlooked a little - for the Min ships anwways (haven't checked the other races) is that the cap recharge time has been improved significantly. Take the Munin v Rupture: Munin: Cap 1000, Recharge time 268, Average per sec 3.73 Rupture: Cap 1000, Recharge time 357, Average per sec 2.80 With level 5 in Energy management and operations that becomes Munin: Cap 1250, Recharge time 201, Average per sec 6.22 Rupture: Cap 1250, Recharge time 267, Average per sec 4.68 Thats a fair improvement overall, a lil better than you would get for fitting a cap power relay. Specially for the Min ships given that their weapons don't actually use any cap. Certainly benefits their defence side. Having just checked, some of the other ships come off even better, take the Maller v Sacrilege Sacrilege: Cap 1300, Recharge time 268, Average per sec 4.85 Maller: Cap 1200, Recharge time 430, Average per sec 2.79 With level 5s again Sacrilege: Cap 1625, Recharge time 201, Average per sec 8.09 Maller: Cap 1500, Recharge time 323, Average per sec 4.65 Average rate has almost doubled, that's equivalent to two cap power relays! Not bad at all.
Celt Eireson	Posted - 2004.09.25 22:51:00 - [160] Edited by: Celt Eireson on 25/09/2004 23:01:02 One thing that's maybe been overlooked a little - for the Min ships anwways (haven't checked the other races) is that the cap recharge time has been improved significantly. Take the Munin v Rupture: Munin: Cap 1000, Recharge time 268, Average per sec 3.73 Rupture: Cap 1000, Recharge time 357, Average per sec 2.80 With level 5 in Energy management and operations that becomes Munin: Cap 1250, Recharge time 201, Average per sec 6.22 Rupture: Cap 1250, Recharge time 267, Average per sec 4.68 Thats a fair improvement overall, a lil better than you would get for fitting a cap power relay. Specially for the Min ships given that their weapons don't actually use any cap. Certainly benefits their defence side. Having just checked, some of the other ships come off even better, take the Maller v Sacrilege Sacrilege: Cap 1300, Recharge time 268, Average per sec 4.85 Maller: Cap 1200, Recharge time 430, Average per sec 2.79 With level 5s again Sacrilege: Cap 1625, Recharge time 201, Average per sec 8.09 Maller: Cap 1500, Recharge time 323, Average per sec 4.65 Average rate has almost doubled, that's equivalent to two cap power relays! Not bad at all.
JoCool	Posted - 2004.09.25 23:37:00 - [161] Dual mwd Vagabond mmmhh yum yum
JoCool	Posted - 2004.09.25 23:37:00 - [162] Dual mwd Vagabond mmmhh yum yum
Nafri	Posted - 2004.09.26 00:27:00 - [163] finally some very decent ships ^^ gotta love them, although i will never be rich enough to fly one Wanna fly with me?
Nafri	Posted - 2004.09.26 00:27:00 - [164] finally some very decent ships ^^ gotta love them, although i will never be rich enough to fly one Wanna fly with me?

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