You sound mad.

UPDATE: **** SOTF, TAKE EVERYTHING!

umadbro?

There's no point in having blue standings if you're going to shoot the Minmatar militia . That's just horrible that you would defend the enemy militia by shooting your own friendlies.

[21:19:36] Bahamut420 > Lock out if your going to interfere in our war zone i'm going to have to reset you


As of 21:20 -FU- reciprocate standings reset and effective immediately set all minmatar militia as neutral. If any entity would like to keep their blue status, please contact someone in -FU- leadership. Minmatar militia leadership had the following to add :

"[21:37:58] Wex Manchester > "Die a sad death you treacherous bastard."

Ninja edit : Our old brosefs from SP-DR are still blue.

No great surprise to learn that SF considers SOTF to be treacherous imperialist dogs quite deservedly -10. Gallente Nationalists propping up Amarrian Slavers ... what a complete surprise!

If Bahamut did a reset, then that means there were standings between his alliance, LNA, and yours, SOTF. At least that is how I read that snippet. Am I incorrect? So he is not controlling anything but simply asking that you adhere to your existing relationship based on standings.

Who are you?

Hahahaha I sincerely hope you're banking on this being how missions work.

Minmatar and Gallente. Apparently, Amarr was just a subsidiary of the Gallente all along, who knew?



(For those not in the loop, Amarr Militia [specifically Wolfsbrigade] called in Shadows of the Federation [Gallente] to make the big bad Minmatar go away from their home in Kamela. So, Amarr Militia will be left with Kamela and we'll just take all your other systems.)

OPSUCCESS.WINMATARWICTOR.

Hahahaha I sincerely hope you're banking on this being how missions work.

Somebody happy to shoot at you. Any other stupid questions?

This is simply delicious.

*WORKING AS INTENDED*

Was a serious question, no idea who you are.

and who are you? some random face i never seen before as well.

Somebody once stated the way Wolfsbrigade and SOTF got together is analogous to two dudes forced to wrestle covered in chicken salad until they just started to make love.

No idea if true. All I know is I torture my body nightly to get that image out of my head.

For the record, SOTF mandate for today was as follows ...

assist WBR in holding their home system Kamela, the reason we got involved is simple. It's no secret that WBR and SOTF run joint ops regularly, providing both subcap support and heavy cap support for each other on a regular basis, it would severely diminish our capabilites to support each other in such a way if either of us were to lose our home systems, we could not allow this to happen.

Our engagement protocol for the op was clear, we were flying mostly guardians and supporting only by way of logistics, we also had one or two combat ships who were only given the green light to shoot neutrals and minmatar that WERE NOT BLUE

No blue pilots were fired upon in Kamela by SOTF pilots today

That is all

That was me and FG and it was spaghetti bolognaise not chicken salad.

Was a close fight too.

For the record, SOTF mandate for today was as follows ...

assist WBR in holding their home system Kamela, the reason we got involved is simple. It's no secret that WBR and SOTF run joint ops regularly, providing both subcap support and heavy cap support for each other on a regular basis, it would severely diminish our capabilites to support each other in such a way if either of us were to lose our home systems, we could not allow this to happen.

Our engagement protocol for the op was clear, we were flying mostly guardians and supporting only by way of logistics, we also had one or two combat ships who were only given the green light to shoot neutrals and minmatar that WERE NOT BLUE

No blue pilots were fired upon in Kamela by SOTF pilots today

That is all

For the record, SOTF mandate for today was as follows ...

assist WBR in holding their home system Kamela, the reason we got involved is simple. It's no secret that WBR and SOTF run joint ops regularly, providing both subcap support and heavy cap support for each other on a regular basis, it would severely diminish our capabilites to support each other in such a way if either of us were to lose our home systems, we could not allow this to happen.

Our engagement protocol for the op was clear, we were flying mostly guardians and supporting only by way of logistics, we also had one or two combat ships who were only given the green light to shoot neutrals and minmatar that WERE NOT BLUE

No blue pilots were fired upon in Kamela by SOTF pilots today

That is all

we are coming back for the chukums silly mimitar skum

Just need god damn standings

basically to all 3rd parties this is what SOTF did which was so nice to us their blues, they brought 15 guardians and multiple triage carriers into kamela, we obviously cant shoot blues meaning they removed our ability to ever contest majors, the bunker and anywhere outside mediums and minors.
an agreement was hashed that we wouldnt attack kamela if wbr didnt offensively plex until dt, we then proceeded to contest sahtogas which they forgot to mention on the agreement we also cant shoot, we told them to **** off tears were had, Drunk n disordely was reset, more tears were had.
when caldari need help taking your home system is it cool if we bring along a load of logi's and caps yeah?
ok cool cheers bro

oh and btw wbr has had to batphone cva aaa test goons, drunk n disorderly just to hold onto kamela, pro guys real pro

we are coming back for the chukums silly mimitar skum

Just need god damn standings

Additionally. I have no issue with the standings reset, not like minmatar are any use anyway ... More targets can only mean more fun.

As i stated in my previous post, the objective was to prevent WBR from losing Kamela, in various channels with minmatar leadership we stated that the minmatar were free to take any system they want without interference, except Kamela. If this for some reason was extended to Sahtogas then I am unsure why (I had logged off by that point). The reason I made the post was specifically to counter accusations that we "shot blues" which was simply untrue.

Additionally. I have no issue with the standings reset, not like minmatar are any use anyway ... More targets can only mean more fun.

Seems to me they are kicking Amarr butt all over the place, even with -leet- corps like WBR on the ammar side, so they might be of some use after all. I also seem to remember minnies and galls participating in lots of ops together over the years.

Stop shooting amarr guys then, Add Militia Column to your overviews. Had to kill your guys a bunch of times now because you don't even know basic overview settings.

This is simply delicious.

*WORKING AS INTENDED*

+1 good sir.

+1 good sir.

So the TL;DR of the thread is:-
"Minmatar upset that they couldn't enjoy the usual 4:1 numbers advantage. Butt hurt and forum whine ensued."

Although, I don't see SOTF helping amarr do anything but hold Kamela.

So the TL;DR of the thread is:-
"Minmatar upset that they couldn't enjoy the usual 4:1 numbers advantage. Butt hurt and forum whine ensued."

Sucks to be the rest of Gallente right now, as I imagine they'll have to pick a side of the fence and land on it. Or SOTF could make it easy on everyone and just join Amarr already.

So not only did you +1 him you felt the need to post it here Thanks the empress you did truly a valued post also i can do smilieys with your finesse

"Minmatar attempt to win the game before it begins, ***** about enemy's bad sportsmanship."

"Minmatar engaged in **** move -- loudly complain about underhanded behavior."

LNA are such buffoons that I've twice been tempted to praise Iron Oxide in this thread, which is unsettling.

So not only did you +1 him you felt the need to post it here Thanks the empress you did truly a valued post also i can do smilieys with your finesse

Nah, all sides have tried to secure and grab territory before the patch, it's just that some have been in a better position to do so.

The fact that the Minnies hit the forums bitching and moaning because a known ally came to someone's aid makes me laugh. Maybe should have considered that option and put out the diplomatic feelers?

The fun thing to do is for the Late Night to briefly join Gallente , then proceed to take Kamela, and see if SOTF is willing to shoot them

Now that would be providing nice content :)

What are the ramifications for those Gallente who don't choose?

Double Secret Probation?

Yeah, they are in a dark place.

Hi Silence


If only there was a area of space when individual alliances could take up ownership of systems independent of factions

If only one Alliance could fight the owner for that space with out concord interfering

I dream of a day when that is implemented

TLDR:

Waaah waaah we're metagaming by trying to take evrysystem before DT and station lockout and someone else got involved..... waaah waaaah.

Way to play the game to enjoy fights n stuff guys... never mind though it's the usual people in minnie militia whining and the others just enjoying the GF's and having fun on both sides and to those people who didnt whine, turned up and shot at me I salute you o7

Spoony

Well, regardless, they haven't been very effective lol.

So you've taken Kamela then? I'm relying on Dotlan to see what's happening at the moment.

If you haven't, then they are acheiving their stated goal.

Hahahaha I sincerely hope you're banking on this being how missions work.

Obviously you are a good CSM that is interested in helping out FW on all sides and not just passing on relevant info to guys on your side and using it to your own advantage.

Glad I kinda saw this coming and don't vote for CSM anyway..

Hahahaha I sincerely hope you're banking on this being how missions work.

[quote=Gullibility Fool][quote=Vordak Kallager]

Many of the other Amarr held systems will be vulnerable tonight as well, so we'll see.

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13433579

Not only have SotF alligned themselves with the Amarr, but the Amarr are now shooting Caldari as well. There is no honor in the Amarr and Gal forces anymore.

The first combined operation between Damar Rocarion and the newly non-aligned QCATS Corporation!

The best ship, friendship!

You aggroed a fleet member, then you were taken out. Until downtime no one who shoots the Amarr fleet is left alone, no matter what faction you are in. We'll sort out the friendly fire from the legit targets after downtime.

You were never trying to take Kamela?

Don't give up your day job, Vordak. You're not very good as the Minmatar Militia Minister for (dis)Information.

http://latenightalliance.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=13433746

Not a very accurate KB. The most accurate one I've seen is about 140 kills to 90 losses, just over 5b in kills to 2.5b (ish) in losses. So, op success on getting good fights. GFs to Amarr, Gallente, CVA and AAA. Also, Fweddit, you adorable tards.

Somebody once stated the way Wolfsbrigade and SOTF got together is analogous to two dudes forced to wrestle covered in chicken salad until they just started to make love.

No idea if true. All I know is I torture my body nightly to get that image out of my head.

The first combined operation between Damar Rocarion and the newly non-aligned QCATS Corporation!

The best ship, friendship!

Another has us doing 4.2b, so those ships are lost one way or another, but no doubt you're ahead on isk after that freighter... no one knew what he was doing. Maybe the smartbomber will make us break even:P

Not really, I can't even remember the last time we had a minmatar / gallente joint op.

Times are changing. Didn't expect to see that.

Titan bridging 100 guys to plex in Intaki is not a joint-op? Check.

Drama Lama? Suddenly a Mystical Might appears.

I think we are all missing the point here guys, our time is now effectively worth 19.2 X that of the Amarr. (16X cheaper LP store + 20% LP bonus)

So sure camp kamela all you want I'm sure stealth bombers will make easy kills in your glorious stronghold, but we only have to complete a 1/19 as many as you for the same buying power.

You sound mad.

yes we are mad.
So mad that we got all these fights and kills nomnomnom

Not really, I can't even remember the last time we had a minmatar / gallente joint op.

Titan bridging 100 guys to plex in Intaki is not a joint-op? Check.



And this was not at all a case of me evading a gank attempt by a hostile blob which was inbound after I engaged the pirate...

Edit: Well, I assume Qcats are just doing one particular thing which relates to a bug which is going to be implemented with the Inferno and makes it possible... well, I am fairly soon those threads will soon sprout up in forums.

And to cap it all off, we just now fully decontested Kamela, which along with Sahtogas, Saikamon, Tannakan and Anka were all held against the rusty horde!

See you after the patch:)

*various rubbish*

good job mate.
Your reward is everything costing u 4x the LP enjoy that.

If u put as much effort into pvp as u did posting on fourms u might of kicked our butts

Also now we get to farm them systems for kills/plex's knowing that u will run the plex's back down for us for no rewards.

I agressed no Amarr pilot, but if you are harboring enemies in your fleet then you are not a friend. Simple as that. Any Cal mil pilot helping the amarr is an enemy of the state.

Agreement was made, then amarrtards noticed we'd switched our attention to Sahtogas area and the tears started.

Moral of story: read the contract before you sign.

The general concensus is that WBR were willing to sell the rest of their militia down the river to save Kamela until First General started weeping like a pantomime princess.

Well it is exciting and we got to see some peoples true face's. Like Ammon for example :):)

[19:20:52] *** > try and and convince ppl to leave kamela alone
[19:20:56] *** > and in hands of amar

Friends are important in FW. I remember when ARETR was attacked by Core Impulse and CVA... They were supposed (we still KoS to CVA!!!).
The main thing you guys are missing here is that Amarr militia worked together and the blob finally failed...

Delicious FW dramas all up in this. Fweddit is coming for you minnies and now we don't even have to have our newbros grind standing.

Hei WBR gratz to saving your precious home system (barely) by calling in all the help you could get, from the rest of fu+++ing Amarr to some clueless null sec carebears, from FW wannabe chicken ruuloors goons to your close friends in Gallente Militia. I really wondered why CCP did not show up to save your ass in Kamela with some dirty old lag trick.

And congratz to SOTF (and special gratz to former Slaver leader Mystical Might, now part of that friendship alliance) to showing this little warrior over here the high value of your own declared friendship over the fu+++ing chains of your useless factional allies. I hope WBR will pay you back with true man love next time you fight the dirty ol squids.

Ironicly, if we would've played "the orthodox way" we would've stayed in Gal/Cal space and given that after Sunday caldari have given up, with another major push we would've more or less locked them outta low. Then (prolly exagerating here,we didn't have that much impact) in the same time, minnies would've kicked amarr outta the fw area. And only then the title of the OP would've been correct, only 2 militias would've been left.

This way, a lot of crappy ships died, resets were had, content was created, people were outraged, amused, intrigued, but in any case the strong reaction proves that it was quality content. Plus Hans got to smugface post "Working as intended" again.

Op success.

Wouldnt you have to stop being **** first?

The WAAAAH is strong with this one..........

No. We plan on still being ****.

Good good. I hate it when competency gets in the way of my wabbit hunting.

No. We plan on still being ****.

Are you sure you're ready for rifters? Maybe you should stick with executioners and bursts until you know what you're doing

Well, we've got at least 1000 free rifters to shove down your gullet. We'll at least get like 5 kills from that and then declare total victory.

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!

I bet the Amarr KB efficacy ***** must love you guys.. I used to enjoy reading the emo rages over losses on their KB back when I was a Minimatard.

They better slip into some Depends and get the Kleenex boxes ready cause our target efficiency is 0-10% and meeting that is about the only thing we plan on being good at.

They better slip into some Depends and get the Kleenex boxes ready cause our target efficiency is 0-10% and meeting that is about the only thing we plan on being good at.

Use Thrashers.. You guys can actually kill stuff with them and they are still very cheap and mix ok into gangs with Ruptures. Even noob alts can easily fit out a T1 Arti Thrasher and guys with very low skill points can actually kill stuff with them in groups. Take advantage of the Destroyer buff it's worth using them over Rifters.

We mostly recruit new guys & we also push them into Thrashers from the start.

Go Thrasher > Ruptures > Hurricanes.

Use Thrashers.. You guys can actually kill stuff with them and they are still very cheap and mix ok into gangs with Ruptures. Even noob alts can easily fit out a T1 Arti Thrasher and guys with very low skill points can actually kill stuff with them in groups. Take advantage of the Destroyer buff it's worth using them over Rifters.

We mostly recruit new guys & we also push them into Thrashers from the start.

Go Thrasher > Ruptures > Hurricanes.

Hey fweddit 0/
If we get you wet will you multiply
See u at the houla sun at 0 soon.

and who are you? some random face i never seen before as well.

and who are you? some random face i never seen before as well.

I believed we told you to stay of Kamela, Everywhere else was fine

I believed we told you to stay of Kamela, Everywhere else was fine

Obviously you are a good CSM that is interested in helping out FW on all sides and not just passing on relevant info to guys on your side and using it to your own advantage.

Glad I kinda saw this coming and don't vote for CSM anyway..

I think you are under- estimating what Caldari did over the last few days. We were very close to capturing Rak and IMO would have captured it had the rest of us known what was planned there. The biggest reason Rak wasn't captured is because the plexing started far too late and the amount of time need to go to vulnerable, drug us into time zone when you Gals could field better numbers.

There was a group of us on the night before, that could have very easily had that system close to vulnerable prior to that attack. We were actually looking for a target system but got bored and PVP'd instead, figuring there wouldn't be anyone to shoot a bunker anyway.

A little shared information among Caldari corps that knew, would have gone a very long way and I'm pretty sure had that happened with the numbers we had, Rak would of been ours.

After Rak, Caldari pushed Aiv into vulnerable status I believe 2 times. I wasn't around for this as I was a bit tired from fighting all night & day in Rak, so I dunno what all happened there other than I know the bunker was shot at at least two times.

However prior to this we had already seen some of the Gals bringing Caps into Eha.. While maybe we did not manage to force a system flip, we did manage to stop you Gals from capturing Eha or any other target systems you may of had prior to the attacks on Rak/Nis & then Aiv.

You guys really didn't have the ability to capture any new systems because we forced you to defend systems instead. I think Caldari didn't have any big pushes today prior to DT simply because most were likely burnt out on it and you Gals were not making any pushes at that point other than small attack on Akadgi and that was held off as well.

This thread just gets better and better. It is *almost* as entertaining as the actual combat last night :)

I'm glad to see you all give enough of a **** about fighting this war again that its got you worked up. Personally, i could care less about whether DnD came to assist the Amarr, it gave us even MORE targets to destroy. Go ahead and say the minnies are butt hurt all you want, I'm enjoying this tremendously :)

Vordak is just.....special.

I also feel I must point out that CCP's stated goal of this station lockout patch was to make FW have consequences and make it more like nullsec.

This thread proves they succeeded.

There were lots of good fights, I am content. May it continue !!! Probably not, but we can hope.

LNA are such buffoons that I've twice been tempted to praise Iron Oxide in this thread, which is unsettling.

Another reason we didnt cap any offensive systems is that due to a bug, our entire corp was not in GalMil during the most important plexing day of the year. We simply could not run buttons. Hopefully that will be fixed today. ;)

BATTLE REPORT (from a neutral point of view)

one day i was care-bearing peacefully in my little corner in null, i heard a lot of people talking about FW and that it is on fire these days, as an entrepreneur, i created this alt and went to have a good time watching and of course ninja loot all the wrecks out there.

1st Day :
at first Amarr kept trying to conquer Kourmounen, they kept pushing it almost all day, but when the minmatar started to log on, they managed to stop the amarr and they kep skirmishing in kourm, at this point it looked like the amarr wont be able to get kourm this day and that would be it, but suddenly Lamaa turned to minmatar, when did that happen and how, i really dont know, minmatar just kept the amarr busy in kourm and somehow managed to snatch lamaa, MINMATAR VICKTOR.

2nd Day:
Almost exactly the same as the previous day, huge fights in kourm but without any real danger to flip it to the amarr side, i went ninja looting around for acouple of hours then logged off, when i came back the next day, the minmatar did flip Lapapi, Oyonata, and kurnainen, and kourm was decontested whoa!! MINMATAR VICTOR.

3rd Day:
now it looked like the minmatar had enough and started pushing kamela, although from my observations, it was somewhat evenly matched numbers, 100 Minmatar - 80 Amarr, amarr started to call their friends, first we see a punch of AAA who got bored really fast and went home shortly after without doing anything, and there was that unknown entitiy called psychotic tendencies which was useless most of the time.. after that came the gallente with their 10 gaurdians, and to be honest they only managed to hold the major plexes, the minmatar kept conquering the minors and the mediums, and finally Some useless CVA went to the amarr aid as well. Amarr tried to Smart-bomb the minnies destroyers by placing a typhoon near a gate or near the station, and they successfully smarbombed their to be allies FWeddit so many times.
the minmatar couldn't take kamela that day so we can say AMRR VICTOR? slightly .

Observations:
1- so as you can see in the minmatar days they won the defense and took a couple of systems, while amarr only managed to defend one system without taking anything and with the help of 4 other entities. So overall MINMATAR VICTOR !!!!

2- you might see me a little biased toward the minmatar, it is true for a couple reasons, Amarr was really hostile against me, all of their pilots kept killing my poor velator for no reason just because they could, on the other hand the minmatar pilots never even targeted me when i tagged along their fleets, that shows discipline , GCCing on alone velator is of a huge importance to the amarr in the midst of all this chaos.
also Minmatar was most of the time polite in local while the amarr and gallente kept posting stupid photos and low level smack.


tl:dr Version:
MINMATAR VICTOR - AMARR FAILURE .

ok time to delete this alt, was fun FW dudes.

I think the only thing people are really complaining about is the blue-on-blue PVP performed by SoTF.

Everything else is just same old, same old.

SOTF never fired a shot at a blue target ... Honestly, how ******* ******** are you?

basically to all 3rd parties this is what SOTF did which was so nice to us their blues, they brought 15 guardians and multiple triage carriers into kamela, we obviously cant shoot blues meaning they removed our ability to ever contest majors, the bunker and anywhere outside mediums and minors.
an agreement was hashed that we wouldnt attack kamela if wbr didnt offensively plex until dt, we then proceeded to contest sahtogas which they forgot to mention on the agreement we also cant shoot, we told them to **** off tears were had, Drunk n disordely was reset, more tears were had.
when caldari need help taking your home system is it cool if we bring along a load of logi's and caps yeah?
ok cool cheers bro

oh and btw wbr has had to batphone cva aaa test goons, drunk n disorderly just to hold onto kamela, pro guys real pro

I think the only thing people are really complaining about is the blue-on-blue PVP performed by SoTF.

Everything else is just same old, same old.

So you were ****-blocked by an ally (and known affiliate of an enemy) and sent out solo frigates to plex everything in sight in retaliation .. imagine if you had the same NPC issues, that we have lived with for four damn years, then the block might have had meaning.

Wake me up when CCP gets around to doing the hard part: Balancing rather than the easy bit of throwing ISK/LP at people.

How else would they work with occupancy out and only sovereignty left to distinguish system ownership .. they either allow missions to 'friendly' space thus creating the biggest FarmVilleGäó rip-off in history, make a 'hidden' flag to send to previously hostile systems thus creating the second biggest FarmVilleGäó rip-off in history or they send mission whores to hostile systems.
PS: Any of the three are possible with CCP Flip-Flop in charge though, so at this point your guess is as good mine I reckon

I disagree with this. The blue-on-blue PVP that SOTF performed is their own business, and if that was it I wouldn't care all that much. What infuriates me is what I view as SOTF's traitorous acts against the Federation. We're allied with the Minmatar, we can capture Amarr plexes and defend Minmatar plexes, and the Federation even gives us LP for performing those actions.

Instead, SOTF actively defended amarrian plexes. And while doing so must have consciously stayed off the plex capture button so that their Federation Militia status would not interfere with the defending of the Amarrian plex.

At the same time, SOTF do good work in the Gallente/Caldari theatre, and they've got a lot of great guys in corp. I'd also like to state that I have great respect for WBR, and have participated in blue ops with them in the past and would not hesitate to do so again should a mututally beneficial situation arise. I have no issue with friendship across militia lines against non-militia targets.

But the fact that they directly defended an Amarrian plex in contravention of the alliances between the Gallente and Minmatar (and I mean by game mechanics where we actually capture amarrian plexes, not by blues between corporations) is what incenses me.

I agressed no Amarr pilot, but if you are harboring enemies in your fleet then you are not a friend. Simple as that. Any Cal mil pilot helping the amarr is an enemy of the state.

But the fact that they directly defended an Amarrian plex in contravention of the alliances between the Gallente and Minmatar (and I mean by game mechanics where we actually capture amarrian plexes, not by blues between corporations) is what incenses me.

We helped a friend defend there home system, nothing more nothing less.

At no point were blues engaged.

So you screwed up with your alt corp who has high enough standings to never pull npc aggro from plexes?

That "friend" was on the opposite side of FW. I have no objection to helping out a friend, but when they're on the opposite side of a war you agreed to fight - and remember, FW is entirely voluntary - that's what is, in a few rare high-society circles, known as "kind of a **** move". Having blues on the opposite side of FW is a very clear conflict of interest.

At no point were blues engaged.

So tell me why half of the minmatar corps / alliances have had us at -10 for a long time just because of our roe?

That isn't allies / friends.

That "friend" was on the opposite side of FW. I have no objection to helping out a friend, but when they're on the opposite side of a war you agreed to fight - and remember, FW is entirely voluntary - that's what is, in a few rare high-society circles, known as "kind of a **** move". Having blues on the opposite side of FW is a very clear conflict of interest.

Gal, you have to understand that to a lot of folks, repping people shooting blues is the same as shooting blues. I know your smart enough to understand that and why people would feel that way. Right or wrong it's how many see this. So no matter how many times you say this and how many people Tek calls a ******* ****, it is what it is.



Personally I don't give a damn, less blues = more **** to shoot. I use to love flying with the minnies, but after going -10 they usually just try to shoot me anyways. Was down there the other day helping them out and got engaged by more minnies then I did Amarr. **** happens...move on.

EDIT: And if you were not blue with anyone the Amarr were shooting, then why is this even an issue? Are people under the impression that all minnies and gals are blue to one another? Because they are most certainly NOT, and if you have a problem with that talk to CCP, its no one here fault that the game mechanics are the way they are.

At no point were blues engaged.

Have to disagree with this, if that what was intended then minnie and gals would be "purple" via game mechanics, Which they are not.

EDIT: And if you were not blue with anyone the Amarr were shooting, then why is this even an issue? Are people under the impression that all minnies and gals are blue to one another? Because they most certainly are NOT, and if you have a problem with that talk to CCP, they came up with the game mechanics.

"Because Minmatar corporations aren't nice to me, it's OK to ally our organisation with an enemy!" That's a complete non-sequitur. At no point did I even mention the Minmatar corporations because they quite patently have nothing to do with this. Regardless of your out-of-game friendships with them (which I do not object to in the slightest - out-of-game, I have friends in the Amarr and Caldari militias and in various null-sec alliances that I otherwise despise), Wolfsbrigade are an enemy of the Gallente militia and are clearly marked as such. They were originally in the Caldari militia and engaged in active warfare against the forces and territory of the FDU - they're now in Amarr space, and in the Amarr militia, fighting for Amarr space, but that doesn't make them any less of an enemy. Allied militia may not appear as a blue, but off-enemy militia still appears as flashy-red.

The Amarr militia opposes the Gallente militia. Wolfsbrigade are a member of the Amarr militia. You are a member of the Gallente militia. You are blue with Wolfsbrigade. Ergo, you are allied with an enemy of the Gallente militia. This is a conflict of interest. The actions of corporations within the Minmatar militia are irrelevant.

Spin this any way you want, by defending Kamela from Minmatar occupation you were aiding and abetting an enemy of the militia you're a part of. Whether or not you were firing on blues is a matter of personal opinion, but the fact that your actions constitute a direct and glaring conflict of interest is not.

Not being nice and setting us -10 is 2 different things,

They have us at -10 therefore are they not classing us as enemies even tho we were happy to be blue?

Can't hav it both ways.

Allow me to stress: at no point did I mention the Minmatar.

At the end of the day, SOTF made a concious decision that being allied with WBR is more important than anything or anyone else. Those reading this should take careful not of that regardless of which faction you are in and behave accordingly to them.

You aren't even listening to what I'm saying. This isn't about the Minmatar. This is about you being blue with a known enemy of the Federation. The actions of the Minmatar are irrelevant.

Not being nice and setting us -10 is 2 different things,

They have us at -10 therefore are they not classing us as enemies even tho we were happy to be blue?

Can't hav it both ways.

Establishing standings with each other is alot like establishing a relationship especially in the early stages. While you may not be promising the world to each other, you are promising the most basics of a relationship that you should adhere to; respecting each other. What SOTF did was respectful of WBR but disrespectful to the said Minnie alliances and quite frankly, some of the Gallente corps as well.

Yes it should of been well known for damn near the last year this would be the case, hence why I am taken a bit back by all the Gallente who are up in arms. We already knew this, why is it only now an issue? It was an issue then and I was upset about it at the time...but I since realize they have a very close relationship and we(other gals) have to deal with that as best we can.

The actions of the Minmatar are irrelevant.

You are not listening.

Half the minmatars have us set -10 and such kos?

Why the hell would we want to assist them?

Yes it should of been well known for damn near the last year this would be the case, hence why I am taken a bit back by all the Gallente who are up in arms. We already knew this, why is it only now an issue? It was an issue then and I was upset about it at the time...but I since realize they have a very close relationship and we(other gals) have to deal with that as best we can.

I would never have expected SOTF to actively fight a militia sov war that was contrary to the Gallente Federation's mandate (which includes attacking Amarr plexes, we go in there the button runs against the Minmatar and we get rewarded for it). That is what surprises me.

Nexx is right. It shouldn't have been unexpected by any of us. They did the same sort of friendly RR'ing of WBR allies while they were engaged with Gallente FW pilots in Gallente space when both were in theater there as well. My guess is that the Caldari FW corps have similar stories. We all should have seen it coming.

I would never have expected SOTF to actively fight a militia sov war that was contrary to the Gallente Federation's mandate (which includes attacking Amarr plexes, we go in there the button runs against the Minmatar and we get rewarded for it). That is what surprises me.

Yes, but they were not actively engaged in an operation against the sovereign space of the Gallente Federation or its allies. I consider this action on a separate level. Obviously, I was wrong, but it doesn't change the fact that I didn't think they would do it.

Gallente Federation's mandate ? Intergalactic summit, that way. -------->

If you wanna talk about prioritising blues, getting involved in blue vs blue fights, etc. I'll be more than happy to discuss, but we couldn't care less about **** rp'ing.

This isn't even Intergalactic summit. This is the core mechanics of factional warfare: these plexes you capture, these plexes you can defend. What you did prevents Gallente Militia from docking in that system too. I consider abiding by the mechanics of the faction I join basic e-honour in a video game. (I know that e-honour isn't required in this game, and is often time advertised as a weakness even by CCP, but it doesn't change my feelings about it).

Anyways, I better stop posting and get back to work.

I consider helping a long standing ally holding their home system as e-honor in a video game ...

Who's to say your definition is any more relevant than mine?

You are not listening.

Half the minmatars have us set -10 and such kos?

Why the hell would we want to assist them?

Obviously all gallente and minmattar are blues, espescially the ones who RP the hell out of this game...oh wait

"My name is Treyvn. I'm a diplomat with the Electus Matari alliance. We're an alliance supporting the Minmatar Republic. As an NRDS alliance (not red, don't shoot), we try to reduce piracy and other crimes in Republic space, and build relationships through communication and mutual respect.

We have Percussive Diplomacy set red (-5). We have observed the formation of Percussive Pizza Time Diplomacy. Based on your executor corp's Description, I see little reason to hesitate in recommending that PZZA be set red (-5). I will make that recommendation within a few days. However, if you'd like to comment, I welcome your reply."

Nitwits

Yes, but if you know Lockout and Tekitha, they couldn't care less about occupancy warfare. So it's not a stretch to think they would help WBR in Kamela. (see Lock Out's post above, lol)

Can we see the reply?

The threat to change red(-5) to red(-5) is one not to be taken lightly.