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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1958
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Posted - 2012.05.22 18:17:00 -
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Tippia made an excellent video that show cased two things (Thank you again Tip):
1: Some legitimate issues. Seperate windows need to update automatially when items are added or subtracted. Windows you have placed need to stay in place and not close on session changes. CCP was made aware that these tweaks need to be made.
2: He, like many others, is addicted to having a half dozen windows open on their desktop. So much so that he instictively closed the tree that was 1/2 inch away from the items he was working with in favor of dragging items all the way across the screen to a different (vision obscuring) window.
He (and many apparently) is so used to working by dragging back and forth from window to window they completely overlook the far simpler option right in front of them... dragging to the tree.
So yes, if you wish to have a separate window open to monitor levels (and truthfully to confirm you haven't screwed up and dropped items where they don't belong) the update quickly issue needs to be resolved, and windows closing on session change needs to be quickly addressed.
Claiming that dragging 1/2 inch to a tree is unusable compared to dragging items all the way across your desktop to one of a multitude of vision obscuring windows is a more than a bit silly. There are likely a few more tweaks that I have not listed that will need to happen in the very near future (such as customizing the filtering of what is shown in the tree view more precisely), but these are minor issues.
Stop trying to automatically do things in the same cumbersome way you have in the past. Engage your brain, think about what you are doing, and you will find that once you get used to the tree being there it is far more user friendly than before... whether you like to leave a plethora of windows open to "monitor" things or not. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |

Evil Belsebub
Imperial Pharmacy
0
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Posted - 2012.05.22 18:18:00 -
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I dont like new inventory system, old was much better. ...developers must realise that game looks like M$ product now.
Cold truth is in words... IF YOU LIKE IT, U BUY IT.
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Lustralis
Tiny Holdings
2
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Posted - 2012.05.22 18:20:00 -
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Am getting used to it already (like it). Some bugs in it - for example empty a can in space and the window stays open, and items are visible inside it. Also sometimes if you've got your ship and a can in space and click on the ship node from the can, it doesn't show anything. Closing the window and opening it again sorts the problem. There's also an issue with it sometimes not remembering the window position for shift-click windows. All bugs that can be worked out.
All in all, it's a win :).
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1958
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Posted - 2012.05.22 18:21:00 -
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Evil Belsebub wrote:I dont like new inventory system, old was much better. ...developers must realise that game looks like M$ product now.
Cold truth is in words... IF YOU LIKE IT, U BUY IT.
I'm just pleased to actually be able to SEE the game for a change, instead of juggling a ton of different windows every time I wanted to do something different or... you know... actually play the game. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |

Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1958
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Posted - 2012.05.22 18:22:00 -
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Lustralis wrote:Am getting used to it already (like it). Some bugs in it - for example empty a can in space and the window stays open, and items are visible inside it. Also sometimes if you've got your ship and a can in space and click on the ship node from the can, it doesn't show anything. Closing the window and opening it again sorts the problem. There's also an issue with it sometimes not remembering the window position for shift-click windows. All bugs that can be worked out.
All in all, it's a win :).
Yeah, I think the refresh function currently is tied to clicking on the tree view as I mentioned above. That needs to be sorted.
And yes, the windows need to stay put after shift change. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |

DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
194
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Posted - 2012.05.22 18:26:00 -
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JEZEB wrote:It always amazes me when something takes two steps back from functionality. This game already is counter intuitive to begin with, now we have to deal with EXTRA clicks to move around the menus to find crap in our inventories? Really? How many times must this have come up during development as a bad idea?
I can't believe huge mistakes to little things like this even happen. Who tested this and said, "Oh yeah, making the UI even clunkier is a grand idea, let us make the game less playable than it already is."
Good job, you get your paycheck you idiot that thought this idea up.
Now put it back the way it friggin' was or at least let me drag what I want to the bar.
How is making me click MORE going to HELP? It's what patches do, is make the game BETTER... oh wait, forgot what industry we're dealing with here.
My inital reaction is much like yours... this is a pain in the arse I hope I get used to it fast But it does remind me of the Chat windows minimalization "FIX" which was a step backwards in usability by minimalizing into the sidebar instead of the bottom of the screen... this obviously was not tested by DEV's whom know that NULL sec peeps & Incursioners need multiple windows easily accessable for INTEL I'll give myself time though to try this out but I do feel like I'm a alpha or beta tester with it EVE residents: 5% WH; 8% Lowsec; 15% Nullsec; 72% Highsec.CSM 7: 1 highsec resident out of 14.CSM demographics vs EVE demographics, nothing to worry about... |

Fabulousli Obvious
State War Academy Caldari State
119
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Posted - 2012.05.22 18:31:00 -
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My main posted from Day One about every single one of these issues and others, led mostly and amazingly by Tippia, filled that up to over 20 pages.
I will never ever again bother to help CCP avert a disaster. I'm beyond caring anymore for what they do. Last words:-á Either that wallpaper goes, or I do. ~~ Oscar Wilde, writer, d. November 30, 1900 |

Andy DelGardo
Hedion University Amarr Empire
8
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Posted - 2012.05.22 18:45:00 -
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My main problem with the new system is information overload. With the old system my ship-cargo hold, corp-hangar and deliveries had all different sizes and view setups. This helped my to keep things organized, so i just needed a very small window for my ship cargo-hold, but a large window for my Corp-hangar. Now since i cant save different settings, if i open my cargo-hold this freaking big window opens...
What about if we can save different setups, like window size and position per hot key? So that a predefined setup opens per different hot-key? |

Zenst
Tsunami Cartel SQUEE.
32
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Posted - 2012.05.22 18:47:00 -
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Fabulousli Obvious wrote:My main posted from Day One about every single one of these issues and others, led mostly and amazingly by Tippia, filled that up to over 20 pages.
I will never ever again bother to help CCP avert a disaster. I'm beyond caring anymore for what they do.
It is exactly your experience of test server feedback for why I dont offer feedback on the test server anymore; Sad isn't it but like most people I already have a entire room in my house dedicated to rendering urine up a wall without doing the electronic version of it by offering common-sence and utterly valid feedback to test-server. Reason I suspect is that they assume somebody else is fixing it or that somebody else is responsible in dealing with it and ignore everything.
If they spent as much time reading feedback and logging it and taking it onboard as they do closing threads about people offering feedback then this would not of happened.
When you have a simple drag A to B facility and then change it into a 15 stack towers-of-hanoi with disc 13 missing and force people to play that every single time they wish to move a single item like A to B leading them to play A to Q to W to E to R to T to Y to to U to U to I to O to........to B then how hard is it to ignore everybodies feedback.
All I can say is that whoever handles the test server feedback is in need of a reality check as they have clearly embraced the Dunning Kruger Effect to a level that will only lead to this whole event being listed as an example for on that very wiki for generations to lament. |

Darth Kilth
Clan Exiled Legends
4
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Posted - 2012.05.22 18:48:00 -
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Yes, lets put every single inventory, many with their own functions and needs in the same standard inventory screen. This inventory feels to me like Windows 8 Metro feels to Windows 7.
It's clunky, awkward and hard to manage but hey, at least it looks good right? |
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Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
1506
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Posted - 2012.05.22 18:48:00 -
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Fabulousli Obvious wrote:It's actually great (only because it doens't matter) for those who ONLY PvP EXCLUSIVELY.
We see how much STRONGER and with what direction the wind is blowing for sure............
So you never swap ships or keep items sorted at your main hangar?
...Hows that working out for ya? TEST Alliance BEST Alliance |

Ymmi Stenson
Aquila Crysaetos Aquila Societatem
1
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Posted - 2012.05.22 18:52:00 -
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Just absolutely love this new inventory window.
Single window, where I can do all that I need to do. Great CCP!
Whiners are most likely bot users who are whining about CCP screwing their bots again. |

Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
771
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Posted - 2012.05.22 19:00:00 -
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Installing now... I will expect the worst so I can at least be somewhat pleased... I hope.
But if it is as bad as some folks have said (really no way to keep cargo holds and the hanger separate sizes?) then CCP needs to do some work. |

Sarita Jackson
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2012.05.22 19:02:00 -
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Ymmi Stenson wrote:Just absolutely love this new inventory window.
Single window, where I can do all that I need to do. Great CCP!
Whiners are most likely bot users who are whining about CCP screwing their bots again.
You must not need to do much. Everytime i come into the hanger, mine with secure containers, loot wrecks, salvage, or anything else that has to do with items, I have to take 30-60 seconds to open all the windows i need to do the job. I mean come on... everytime I right click a wreck and select open cargo, it open MY cargo, not the wrecks... and if i do not want to loot all, I have to click the arrows to open the index, shift click a second window open so I can transfer the items I do want to take.
Everything else in the expansion seems to be top knotch, but lose the new inventory system or at the very least give us options (save current open windows to location/action, revert to the old system, etc.). |

Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1959
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Posted - 2012.05.22 19:06:00 -
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Zenst wrote:Fabulousli Obvious wrote:My main posted from Day One about every single one of these issues and others, led mostly and amazingly by Tippia, filled that up to over 20 pages.
I will never ever again bother to help CCP avert a disaster. I'm beyond caring anymore for what they do. It is exactly your experience of test server feedback for why I dont offer feedback on the test server anymore; Sad isn't it but like most people I already have a entire room in my house dedicated to rendering urine up a wall without doing the electronic version of it by offering common-sence and utterly valid feedback to test-server. Reason I suspect is that they assume somebody else is fixing it or that somebody else is responsible in dealing with it and ignore everything. If they spent as much time reading feedback and logging it and taking it onboard as they do closing threads about people offering feedback then this would not of happened. When you have a simple drag A to B facility and then change it into a 15 stack towers-of-hanoi with disc 13 missing and force people to play that every single time they wish to move a single item like A to B leading them to play A to Q to W to E to R to T to Y to to U to U to I to O to........to B then how hard is it to ignore everybodies feedback. All I can say is that whoever handles the test server feedback is in need of a reality check as they have clearly embraced the Dunning Kruger Effect to a level that will only lead to this whole event being listed as an example for on that very wiki for generations to lament.
Or you could simply drag from A to B in the tree that is 1/2 inch away. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |

Zenst
Tsunami Cartel SQUEE.
36
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Posted - 2012.05.22 19:07:00 -
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Ymmi Stenson wrote:Just absolutely love this new inventory window.
Single window, where I can do all that I need to do. Great CCP!
Whiners are most likely bot users who are whining about CCP screwing their bots again.
The only bots being screwed are due to the anal-raping of intellegence being laiden upon common-sence and feedback given prior to this lamentation of a inventory system being rolled out. I say rolled out as it is a complete downhill experience that appitamises a level of understanding that even a goverment would fail to transpire towards.
I personly belief that anybody who is happy with a single window should try eating an dpooping out of a single oriface to highlight the metaphore of there posts. |

nate555
GODHC INTERSTELLAR FLEET Primal Force
42
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Posted - 2012.05.22 19:09:00 -
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Mabe instead of complaining you should have set up the test server before this came out. Looked at the new stuff and sent feedback. Why do you think the test server is for? |

Fabulousli Obvious
State War Academy Caldari State
125
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Posted - 2012.05.22 19:09:00 -
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Akirei Scytale wrote:Fabulousli Obvious wrote:It's actually great (only because it doens't matter) for those who ONLY PvP EXCLUSIVELY.
We see how much STRONGER and with what direction the wind is blowing for sure............ So you never swap ships or keep items sorted at your main hangar? ...Hows that working out for ya?
U makee no sensee Last words:-á Either that wallpaper goes, or I do. ~~ Oscar Wilde, writer, d. November 30, 1900 |

Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1959
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Posted - 2012.05.22 19:11:00 -
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Sarita Jackson wrote:Ymmi Stenson wrote:Just absolutely love this new inventory window.
Single window, where I can do all that I need to do. Great CCP!
Whiners are most likely bot users who are whining about CCP screwing their bots again. You must not need to do much. Everytime i come into the hanger, mine with secure containers, loot wrecks, salvage, or anything else that has to do with items, I have to take 30-60 seconds to open all the windows i need to do the job. I mean come on... everytime I right click a wreck and select open cargo, it open MY cargo, not the wrecks... and if i do not want to loot all, I have to click the arrows to open the index, shift click a second window open so I can transfer the items I do want to take. Everything else in the expansion seems to be top knotch, but lose the new inventory system or at the very least give us options (save current open windows to location/action, revert to the old system, etc.).
Highlight the wreck in your overview, select the option to go open it from the one click menu at the top of the overview.
Watch in amazement as your ship flies over to it an magically opens it up for you in your inventory window.
Hit loot all and you are done (or repeat for the next wreck).
If you only want grab some of the items, highlight them in the magic window and drag them 1/2 inch to the tree entry for your cargo hold.
This involves far LESS clicks than the old way.
Stop doing things out of habit. Work smarter, not harder.
When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |

Kolvin Trask
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.05.22 19:13:00 -
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nate555 wrote:Mabe instead of complaining you should have set up the test server before this came out. Looked at the new stuff and sent feedback. Why do you think the test server is for?
Maybe CCP should do a bit more testing before inflicting crap on players?
As for "Why do you think the test server is for?", it is a tool CCP should actually use, instead of ignore.
I am a customer. I am not CCP's testing b*tch.
It looks like a bunch of customer's are unpleased. If they leave, a bunch of folks at SONY will be unpleased.
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MotherMoon
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
696
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Posted - 2012.05.22 19:13:00 -
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Gallinari wrote:Yea I understand what they were trying to do but in all honestly for someone like me who goes system to system with his Orca and 5 ships inside of it with all different types of cargo, its a nightmare.
shift click, then close new item window, and it will be just like old eve UI. Why dust 514 is on Console and not PCBattle field 3 salesXbox 360: 2.2 millionPlayStation 3: 1.5 millionPC: 500,000 |

Marcus Caspius
Vitriol Ventures Tribal Dragons
21
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Posted - 2012.05.22 19:13:00 -
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S U P E R - ********!
Merging stuff in a POS useful maybe? Merging your cans in space with cargo?
S U P E R - ********... [ |

Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1961
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Posted - 2012.05.22 19:15:00 -
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I think that the above posts highlight one of the main issues that people are confused by.
Yes, you can use the tree to open different storage/cargo area's... BUT THAT IS NOT ITS MAIN PURPOSE.
The primary use of the tree is to drag things to so that you dont' need to open other cargo area's. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |

MotherMoon
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
697
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Posted - 2012.05.22 19:18:00 -
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Darth Kilth wrote:Yes, lets put every single inventory, many with their own functions and needs in the same standard inventory screen. This inventory feels to me like Windows 8 Metro feels to Windows 7.
It's clunky, awkward and hard to manage but hey, at least it looks good right?
Then open MORE WINDOWS, you're not being forced to use the big one, you can keep it closed if you want and just shift click everything.
The only issue it has is it won't save where my windows were open!
Ranger 1 wrote:I think that the above posts highlight one of the main issues that people are confused by.
Yes, you can use the tree to open different storage/cargo area's... BUT THAT IS NOT ITS MAIN PURPOSE.
The primary use of the tree is to drag things to so that you dont' need to open other cargo area's.
ding ding ding , you win Why dust 514 is on Console and not PCBattle field 3 salesXbox 360: 2.2 millionPlayStation 3: 1.5 millionPC: 500,000 |

JEZEB
Stainless Steel Federation
23
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Posted - 2012.05.22 19:24:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:I think that the above posts highlight one of the main issues that people are confused by.
Yes, you can use the tree to open different storage/cargo area's... BUT THAT IS NOT ITS MAIN PURPOSE.
The primary use of the tree is to drag things to so that you dont' need to open other cargo area's.
Get it in your head, most of us have a certain way of doing things that now we cannot do without tripling how many clicks it takes to do something. CCP has successfully funneled the way we need to move stuff around in our cargoholds and stations to one way of doing things. Sure, dragging stuff to the tree works, but why can't I open all nine of my containers in my Mast or Mammoth to do a quick load on an ore pickup?
I mean, really, it's not hard to figure out that this is a bullsh1t addition to a system that worked BETTER before the patch.
Go troll someplace else, I'm sure there is somewhere else you'd be more useful. Not here. |

Sarita Jackson
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2012.05.22 19:29:00 -
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Highlight the wreck in your overview, select the option to go open it from the one click menu at the top of the overview.
Watch in amazement as your ship flies over to it an magically opens it up for you in your inventory window.
Hit loot all and you are done (or repeat for the next wreck).
If you only want grab some of the items, highlight them in the magic window and drag them 1/2 inch to the tree entry for your cargo hold.
This involves far LESS clicks than the old way.
Stop doing things out of habit. Work smarter, not harder.
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Watch in amazement as my ship flies over to it and magically opens MY cargo window. MY window showing me what is in MY cargo hold. MINE not the wrecks...mine. Just in case i fail to mention it before.
And this wonderous tree entry that resides 1/2 inch is the worst part of the deal. It does not alow me to see what is in the container or even if the room exists to add new items.
I believe you have it just the reverse though... the new set-up is harder, not smarter.
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1961
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Posted - 2012.05.22 19:30:00 -
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JEZEB wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:I think that the above posts highlight one of the main issues that people are confused by.
Yes, you can use the tree to open different storage/cargo area's... BUT THAT IS NOT ITS MAIN PURPOSE.
The primary use of the tree is to drag things to so that you dont' need to open other cargo area's. Get it in your head, most of us have a certain way of doing things that now we cannot do without tripling how many clicks it takes to do something. CCP has successfully funneled the way we need to move stuff around in our cargoholds and stations to one way of doing things. Sure, dragging stuff to the tree works, but why can't I open all nine of my containers in my Mast or Mammoth to do a quick load on an ore pickup? I mean, really, it's not hard to figure out that this is a bullsh1t addition to a system that worked BETTER before the patch. Go troll someplace else, I'm sure there is somewhere else you'd be more useful. Not here.
Translation: Sure, I can do it easier now, but it's different and I refuse to change how I do things.
You can still open seperate windows, with the same number of clicks as before.
The only issues are that they need to stay put and stay open after a session change, and they need to update automatically as soon as the items are moved. This is at the top of the CCP priority list.
Comprehesion of the issue is clear at my end, comprehesion of what the real issues are and how to more efficiently use the new system is what is lacking at your end.
When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |

FeralShadow
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
122
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Posted - 2012.05.22 19:30:00 -
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Shift click to open new window. Shift click to open new window. How the Eve Sandbox Works:https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=482176#post482176 "I do believe in karma. That means that whenever I do something sh**y to others, they somehow deserved it." |

baltec1
1183
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Posted - 2012.05.22 19:32:00 -
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I read this topic before trying out the new system thinking OHGOD but now that I have given it a go its not too bad. |

Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1961
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Posted - 2012.05.22 19:34:00 -
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Sarita Jackson wrote:Highlight the wreck in your overview, select the option to go open it from the one click menu at the top of the overview.
Watch in amazement as your ship flies over to it an magically opens it up for you in your inventory window.
Hit loot all and you are done (or repeat for the next wreck).
If you only want grab some of the items, highlight them in the magic window and drag them 1/2 inch to the tree entry for your cargo hold.
This involves far LESS clicks than the old way.
Stop doing things out of habit. Work smarter, not harder.
Watch in amazement as my ship flies over to it and magically opens MY cargo window. MY window showing me what is in MY cargo hold. MINE not the wrecks...mine. Just in case i fail to mention it before.
And this wonderous tree entry that resides 1/2 inch is the worst part of the deal. It does not alow me to see what is in the container or even if the room exists to add new items.
I believe you have it just the reverse though... the new set-up is harder, not smarter. [/quote]
On the test server it opens your cargo and as soon as you are within range it instantly switches to a view of the wreck contents instead. The loot all button is prominently displayed at the bottom of it, and your cargo hold is right there in the tree next to it.
No extra clicks from the old system at all, in fact it is less.
If it is not working that way in the release build that you have it is a bug that needs to be reported. When I get home from work I will test the release build.
When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
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