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Istvaan Shogaatsu Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2009.07.18 21:17:00 - [1] Back in the day, a day you young whipper-snappers likely won't recall, there was a certain sense of awe about Eve. You see your first Apocalypse or your first Megathron, and you damn near crap. There was a feeling of being an absolute badass. That feeling is gone. Now, battleships are just lolinsurance; now, loss doesn't really matter as much as it did back in the before-time. I miss the days of killing someone's ship and giving them a nervous breakdown. I think what we need is some truly badass ships - not balanced, because balance is goddamn boring, but totally and obscenely overpowered. I'm talking about battleships with capital weapons and tracking/resolution bonuses. I'm talking about cruisers with 500% range bonuses to smartbombs. Fun stuff. As it stands today, you can trick out your ship with the sweetest gear the game has to offer, and still get taken down by a small group of vanilla ships. There are no heroes anymore, no ships that gain fame by virtue of their absolute badassery. I want a return to that pants-crapping fear you felt when a Blasterthron jumped your Apoc.
Black Sunder	Posted - 2009.07.18 21:20:00 - [2] I agree, a little less balance would be nice. The only balance then would be imbalance which has proven effective in RTS.
Admiral Crow	Posted - 2009.07.18 22:00:00 - [3] Edited by: Admiral Crow on 18/07/2009 22:03:13 capital battleship class would be nice : ) with open highslots u can fit either lancher or turrets and let them fly in high sec as well : ) so everyone can see u fly proudly above your races home world or make your war targets cower in fear at the super power that is your capital class battleship (maybe add 4 higher slots so u can fit 4 capital bays over top of your 6-8 large so u can combat the best your enemy can throw at u.
Istvaan Shogaatsu Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2009.07.18 22:24:00 - [4] Seriously. Do any of you remember when interceptors or HACs first came out? They were goddamn terrifying. An interceptor could pretty much drop a battleship solo, if the BS was stupid. A HAC would make killing a battleship seem like a walk in the park. Nowadays, new ships are released, and they're crippled. Completely not worth their cost - look at t3, they're just bubble-immune hacs with a bit more hp that you pay a billion for. Sure, once prices settle, you'll be paying 400m for the ship... but why are you paying 400m for a ship that doesn't do anything a HAC can't? Or even a plated t1 battlecruiser? Please, CCP, heed these words if you ever heed any - balance is boring.
Seishi Maru Ministry of War	Posted - 2009.07.18 22:39:00 - [5] I have to agree. But ccp seems very focused on homogenization of battlefield. They do nto want any ship to have any SIGNIFICANT advantage over ANY other ship. The simple examples are the 2 t2 battleship types. So many years peopel waited for awesome T2 battleships and ccp gicve us 2 completely useles to pvp combat ship... really sad.
hired goon	Posted - 2009.07.18 22:44:00 - [6] I know, there should be a pos structure where you put a load of ship BPOs and every week you have to put 10 billion isk into it and it cooks away a ship that chooses a random template then increases in power exponentially as long as it's in there. That way you would have these super ships but not many, because if people take them out they'd be powerful but not as powerful as they could have been if they were left in. And you'd have people leaving them in for like years, and there would be competitions between who can keep theirs in the longest, and if you destroy the pos all progress is lost. So you get alliances undocking this super leet monster as their last pos is enroached upon OH MAN THIS HAS TO HAPPEN -omg-
Whitehound	Posted - 2009.07.18 22:48:00 - [7] Edited by: Whitehound on 18/07/2009 22:53:09 What about a button that lets you shut down the game servers? This would give you the ultimate feeling of being a badass and a moron. -- "Smoke me a kipper. I'll be back for breakfast." - Ace Rimmer
Jazric	Posted - 2009.07.19 02:38:00 - [8] LOL That awe is still there, its just you have grown out of it. When I started playing and saw my CEO's golem I experienced the awe you speak of. When my corp undocked a rhea we had just spent months building that awe was there. When a curse took down my brand new tempest I had to log and not play for a couple days. When someone dropped a mom and a couple carriers on my corps gate camp, we lost big time, and laughed every minute, HOLY CRAP I JUST SAW A MOM! Just because you don't feel the awe in the game doesn't mean it isn't there. You and your ilk are the ones that ruined it. Instead of taking your ubber ships and fighting each other you pop the noob in his first cane. Why? Because you need to feel "absolute badassery." Of course you need to feel it in ships that you never had to face when you where the noob. You do have your outlets. Your corp is an end game meta gaming master. You steal massive amounts from huge alliances. If you don't feel in "awe" in that maybe you have gotten bored. Maybe you could start a new corp for noobs, pass on your experience. I think you would be surprised how infectious there awe is. Of course you really aren't looking for the awe, you're looking for the absolute badassery. Good luck with that.
Laechyd Eldgorn Caldari Endemic Aggression Exalted.	Posted - 2009.07.19 06:00:00 - [9] Originally by: Seishi Maru The simple examples are the 2 t2 battleship types. So many years peopel waited for awesome T2 battleships and ccp gicve us 2 completely useles to pvp combat ship... really sad. It is sad this part is so true. :( I wish my blackops could've done a bit better solo/small gang than being a mere logistics *****.
Xero Shifter	Posted - 2009.07.19 06:40:00 - [10] I miss the fear as well, i remember when i first started, i couldn't wait to get my hands on a battle ship, in the mean time i looked up at them and cowered. Now everyone and their grandmother has one, or can get one on a whim. It makes them less special. Maybe if things where less balanced, and it was all about who specialized their equipment for that particular battle better, things wouldn't be so...
Whitehound	Posted - 2009.07.19 07:23:00 - [11] So you are all fearless? I do not believe you. Get a T3 and go into a fight with it. If you think that this is stupid, because you fear losing money or skills then no one can help you, really. -- "Smoke me a kipper. I'll be back for breakfast." - Ace Rimmer
Lindsay Logan	Posted - 2009.07.19 09:11:00 - [12] That would not bring back the days of old. THe thing is, EVE is getting populated byt a lot of capsuleers, and no matter how you put it, even overpowers ships will be blobed to death as soon as anyone sees it. It would only add an expencive kill mail for you. And making 1 ship take out enitre blobs is a very silly idea. If you really want the "good old days", make ships have a bit less hp, promotig active tanks, then the big damage deals will be feard a lot more.
Whitehound	Posted - 2009.07.19 09:50:00 - [13] Originally by: Lindsay Logan And making 1 ship take out enitre blobs is a very silly idea. That is what the Doomsday Device is for. Are you the real Lindsay Logan? -- "Smoke me a kipper. I'll be back for breakfast." - Ace Rimmer
Istvaan Shogaatsu Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2009.07.19 11:33:00 - [14] T3? I've lost one already, didn't really phase me. What I want to see, is ships that require 100m SP to fly. A true reward for the veterans, and the veterans only, to the exclusion of all others. Not like T3, where any clownshoe can train for it in 15 days - something exclusive, something unattainable by most, but attainable by me because I am better than them. Don't have 100m SP? Oops, too bad, you'll have to play a few more years...
Tarron Sarek Gallente Biotronics Inc. Majesta Empire	Posted - 2009.07.19 12:02:00 - [15] Fail thread is fail. Talking about 'the good old days' and continuing with 'fear' and 'awe' as if those were desirable emotions, whilst all it comes down to is a shriveled e-peen and the feeling of insignificance that wants to be compensated by making oneself uber like 'in the good old days' while all others should be in 'awe' and 'fear' of oneself.. Pitiful much? Perhaps a hug would help. Or just quit EVE. ___________________________________ Balance is power, ~~guard~~ hide it well "Ceterum censeo Polycarbonem esse delendam"
Lindsay Logan	Posted - 2009.07.19 12:04:00 - [16] Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu T3? I've lost one already, didn't really phase me. What I want to see, is ships that require 100m SP to fly. A true reward for the veterans, and the veterans only, to the exclusion of all others. Not like T3, where any clownshoe can train for it in 15 days - something exclusive, something unattainable by most, but attainable by me because I am better than them. Don't have 100m SP? Oops, too bad, you'll have to play a few more years...
Mashie Saldana BFG Tech	Posted - 2009.07.19 12:14:00 - [17] So in essence you want to introduce a lvl 70 flying mount? Why don't you just get an Estamel fit State Raven? Doing PvP in a 130-150b setup should get your heart pumping and by looking at the history of GH-SC it shouldn't be out of your budget.
Istvaan Shogaatsu Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2009.07.19 13:07:00 - [18] Sigh... you don't get it.
Lindsay Logan	Posted - 2009.07.19 13:19:00 - [19] Edited by: Lindsay Logan on 19/07/2009 13:21:11 Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu Sigh... you don't get it. I get it, I just think its silly. You want a huge epeen to **** all others with, so that they can be in awe of you. One of the things I like about EVE is that 100Mill+ SP guys don't have this ability. It would just mess up the game. EVE promotes strenght in numbers (perhaps a little bit too much at some times, granted), and one single ship is not a super duper thing that can kill of all others. Titans is the closest you can get I guess, but they are not really what you desire if I get you right
Whitehound	Posted - 2009.07.19 14:14:00 - [20] Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu Sigh... you don't get it. I believe I do get it. You want a bigger ship. Which is it you are flying and do you have all the ships? Do you fly a Kronos, a Moros, a Nyx and an Erebus? -- "Smoke me a kipper. I'll be back for breakfast." - Ace Rimmer
Istvaan Shogaatsu Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2009.07.19 16:00:00 - [21] Originally by: Whitehound Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu Sigh... you don't get it. I believe I do get it. You want a bigger ship. Which is it you are flying and do you have all the ships? Do you fly a Kronos, a Moros, a Nyx and an Erebus? I can fly every ship in Eve - some, not well, but well enough to fly away in. Part of the job. That said, anything capital class and above is boring - capitals are alliance tools and I am not an alliance. I am a guy who wants a badass whiz-bang ship to putz around in. Remember how badass and whiz-bang HACs were when they came out? That's what I want to recapture. T3 has failed utterly in this regard. In fact, every new ship released since HACs has pretty much failed in this regard. HACs were awesome because they were king shit - every ship released since has lacked simple, honest fun factor.
Whitehound	Posted - 2009.07.19 16:16:00 - [22] Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu T3 has failed utterly in this regard. What about the T3s? I have heard they can produce awesome amounts of damage. -- "Smoke me a kipper. I'll be back for breakfast." - Ace Rimmer
Honest Smedley	Posted - 2009.07.19 18:02:00 - [23] Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu Originally by: Whitehound Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu Sigh... you don't get it. I believe I do get it. You want a bigger ship. Which is it you are flying and do you have all the ships? Do you fly a Kronos, a Moros, a Nyx and an Erebus? I can fly every ship in Eve - some, not well, but well enough to fly away in. Part of the job. That said, anything capital class and above is boring - capitals are alliance tools and I am not an alliance. I am a guy who wants a badass whiz-bang ship to putz around in. Remember how badass and whiz-bang HACs were when they came out? That's what I want to recapture. T3 has failed utterly in this regard. In fact, every new ship released since HACs has pretty much failed in this regard. HACs were awesome because they were king shit - every ship released since has lacked simple, honest fun factor. I fail to see how T3 have failed utterly in that regard. The example above of a HAC destroying a BS on release would certainly be the case with a T3 cruiser vs a BS today. The only difference is accessibility. T3 have a lower SP barrier to entry (to fly poorly) in comparison to HACs on release, but they do have a significantly higher ISK barrier. If your issue is entirely about the E-peen "I can fly this ship because I have 100m SP and you don't" thing, I'd suggest looking for a new game... because I really would rather not have your desires ****ting up this one.
Bill Bucanon	Posted - 2009.07.19 18:39:00 - [24] Edited by: Bill Bucanon on 19/07/2009 18:41:23 Edited by: Bill Bucanon on 19/07/2009 18:39:14 if uber dps boats that everyone fears are brought about, then fleets would consist of tonnes of these bad boys? i think if such a bad boy exists, then something extra should be put on the line for the pilot... such as its an experimental ship that pods dont yet work with (bye bye implants when u pop, new clone needed). its not capable of transferring your complete skills back to ur clone - say u lose a small percentage :P :P their fire power makes them fearsome to attack the lure of popping makes them fun to attack
Istvaan Shogaatsu Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2009.07.19 20:32:00 - [25] Edited by: Istvaan Shogaatsu on 19/07/2009 20:32:22 Originally by: Bill Bucanon if uber dps boats that everyone fears are brought about, then fleets would consist of tonnes of these bad boys? i think if such a bad boy exists, then something extra should be put on the line for the pilot... such as its an experimental ship that pods dont yet work with (bye bye implants when u pop, new clone needed). its not capable of transferring your complete skills back to ur clone - say u lose a small percentage :P :P their fire power makes them fearsome to attack the lure of popping makes them fun to attack See, this is the kind of fun idea I am looking for. edit: And if they were limited to 100m SP pilots, there would not be that many of them out there to worry about uber killfleets.
Empyre Domestic Reform	Posted - 2009.07.19 21:55:00 - [26] Edited by: Empyre on 19/07/2009 21:57:31 I think the first nano-nerfs started proving what happens when there is one ship/configuration that overpowers the rest.. everyone uses it. The only reason this wasn't an apparent problem in the 'golden days' of Eve is because is was a huge amount to learn and it was difficult learning it. CCP made it easier for people to learn the game. When this happened, more people were actively researching the 'best' configurations. Other people started noticing what won and lost more and the 'flavor-of-the-month' started becoming regular. Titans were the PWNmobiles you're talking about, but they've been nerfed for obvious reasons. Balance is boring only when you're caught on the side of the balance that is weighed against something heavier. (Or in other words in a balanced world, people only cry when they're losing.) what the crap just happened?
LUH 3472	Posted - 2009.07.19 22:45:00 - [27] Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu Back in the day, a day you young whipper-snappers likely won't recall, there was a certain sense of awe about Eve. You see your first Apocalypse or your first Megathron, and you damn near crap. There was a feeling of being an absolute badass. That feeling is gone. Now, battleships are just lolinsurance; now, loss doesn't really matter as much as it did back in the before-time. I miss the days of killing someone's ship and giving them a nervous breakdown. I think what we need is some truly badass ships - not balanced, because balance is goddamn boring, but totally and obscenely overpowered. I'm talking about battleships with capital weapons and tracking/resolution bonuses. I'm talking about cruisers with 500% range bonuses to smartbombs. Fun stuff. As it stands today, you can trick out your ship with the sweetest gear the game has to offer, and still get taken down by a small group of vanilla ships. There are no heroes anymore, no ships that gain fame by virtue of their absolute badassery. I want a return to that pants-crapping fear you felt when a Blasterthron jumped your Apoc. hear hear good man
1600 RT	Posted - 2009.07.19 23:17:00 - [28] i miss the 8 heat sink armageddon i miss the nanophoon i miss the multi mwd raven i miss the artilley able to oneshot a bs i miss the old nos
Dirtee Girl Rage of Inferno Minor Threat.	Posted - 2009.07.20 00:55:00 - [29] i was really hoping black ops bs'e would be something truly nightmarish a scary a taste of the old eve but pre nerfed filler material is what we got . the good thing about the above statement is you can apply it to many new ships being brought out or already here and it's still works . ccp has one of the best collective imaginations running but when it comes to implementation they need some real help . OP ships would bring some life back into this mayonaise sandwich of a game. * *
Pinworm4545	Posted - 2009.07.20 01:00:00 - [30] As a relatively new player, I often wish they'd open a new server where everyone could start fresh, so I could experience EVE from the start. I think that would be fun as hell. I also realize it would be against everything EVE is about in some ways, and would ruin the whole 1 server 1 universe thing. So I get why it won't and in many ways can't be done. I Also get what an insult it'd be for the veterans. But what can I say, I do think it'd be extremely fun to start over, with everyone else starting at the same spot.

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