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KIAEddZ
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Posted - 2004.09.28 13:08:00 -
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I personally would like to know what is being done?
Can CCP introduce a client side check to find the people cheating with this hack?
But more importantly, WHAT will be the punishment for those caught with it?
This should be clearly stated, and followed through 100% without exceptions when the cheats are caught.
Those of us that are too honest to sink to such exploits, should know we are honest with a good cause.
If there is an aswer someonwhere OTHER than the EULA, please someone link it here :) thx
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=176347
www.kia-corp.co.uk/killboard
CEO of KIA Corp - Been doing it for the Laydeez since 1993, now we i |
KIAEddZ
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Posted - 2004.09.28 13:08:00 -
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I personally would like to know what is being done?
Can CCP introduce a client side check to find the people cheating with this hack?
But more importantly, WHAT will be the punishment for those caught with it?
This should be clearly stated, and followed through 100% without exceptions when the cheats are caught.
Those of us that are too honest to sink to such exploits, should know we are honest with a good cause.
If there is an aswer someonwhere OTHER than the EULA, please someone link it here :) thx
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=176347
www.kia-corp.co.uk/killboard
CEO of KIA Corp - Been doing it for the Laydeez since 1993, now we i |
Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.09.28 13:18:00 -
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Do you suspect someone is using this tactic?
Perhaps CCP would use a similar method as that which is used to verify the quality of a compressed file? CRC, or something.
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.09.28 13:18:00 -
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Do you suspect someone is using this tactic?
Perhaps CCP would use a similar method as that which is used to verify the quality of a compressed file? CRC, or something.
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
chillz
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Posted - 2004.09.28 13:28:00 -
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Perhaps CCP can't detect it. A Dev's response is required.
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A gun and a packet of sandwiches.
"When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - Hunter S Thompson
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chillz
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Posted - 2004.09.28 13:28:00 -
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Perhaps CCP can't detect it. A Dev's response is required.
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A gun and a packet of sandwiches.
"When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - Hunter S Thompson
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Admiral IceBlock
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Posted - 2004.09.28 13:34:00 -
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i dont see this as a exploit, i see it as a workaround! ccp hasnt done **** about the lag, all the lag fixes make the lag worse. since ccp cant do **** about it, this is just another workaround so they can yet again enjoy eve without massive lag.
there is not many mmo-rpg's, infact there is none that i have heard of that the players is so ****** up about the lag that they simply remove the models. maybe its time that ccp really take the lag issue more serious?!
i mean, after all these lag fixes, i still think that eve was a lot more lag free before then it is now.
"We brake for nobody"
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Admiral IceBlock
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Posted - 2004.09.28 13:34:00 -
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i dont see this as a exploit, i see it as a workaround! ccp hasnt done **** about the lag, all the lag fixes make the lag worse. since ccp cant do **** about it, this is just another workaround so they can yet again enjoy eve without massive lag.
there is not many mmo-rpg's, infact there is none that i have heard of that the players is so ****** up about the lag that they simply remove the models. maybe its time that ccp really take the lag issue more serious?!
i mean, after all these lag fixes, i still think that eve was a lot more lag free before then it is now.
"We brake for nobody"
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Marcus Aurelius
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Posted - 2004.09.28 13:52:00 -
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First, it is a cheat indeed.
Second, CCP does need to work hard at reducing lag cause there is little use to introducing teambased pvp and pve content if the server cant handle all these teams doing it.
Lastly, I expect the punishment for those found out to be about the same as for those found to be using macros, shortly said: non-existent.
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Marcus Aurelius
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Posted - 2004.09.28 13:52:00 -
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First, it is a cheat indeed.
Second, CCP does need to work hard at reducing lag cause there is little use to introducing teambased pvp and pve content if the server cant handle all these teams doing it.
Lastly, I expect the punishment for those found out to be about the same as for those found to be using macros, shortly said: non-existent.
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GoGo Yubari
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Posted - 2004.09.28 14:00:00 -
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If they just introduced a box that you could tick which would remove the models (and maybe more), it wouldn't be cheating and there would be much rejoicing.
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GoGo Yubari
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Posted - 2004.09.28 14:00:00 -
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If they just introduced a box that you could tick which would remove the models (and maybe more), it wouldn't be cheating and there would be much rejoicing.
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Drexciyian
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Posted - 2004.09.28 14:03:00 -
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I hax k, ctrl+f9 i get 85 fps when im alone 
WTS:
FULL BRIGHTSKINS
A3D DLL
SPIKED MODELS
LOUD FOOTSETPS
WALL HACK
AUTO AIM
AUTO FIRE
MOTION TRAILS
AND MUCH MUCH MORE, EVEMAIL ME!!!!
tbh i doubt many do that, stop being para
My Evil Half |
Drexciyian
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Posted - 2004.09.28 14:03:00 -
[14]
I hax k, ctrl+f9 i get 85 fps when im alone
WTS:
FULL BRIGHTSKINS
A3D DLL
SPIKED MODELS
LOUD FOOTSETPS
WALL HACK
AUTO AIM
AUTO FIRE
MOTION TRAILS
AND MUCH MUCH MORE, EVEMAIL ME!!!!
tbh i doubt many do that, stop being para
My Evil Half |
KIAEddZ
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Posted - 2004.09.28 14:16:00 -
[15]
It is a cheat as long as it isn't part of the make up of Eve itself.
Admiral Ice Block, your opinion is ridiculous.
CCP should either make it an option in the graphics options, or take away the ability to use it, and SEVERELY punish those that do.
In a fleet of 30 vs 30 battle, non vheaters would lose 5 ships, to a force that has already done its killing and warped away to safe spots.
Whilst the lag is bad, it is an absdolute MUST that it is the same lag for all parties as far as CCP can effect it.
(PC specs and connection have a bearing on this I know)
I am 100% sure that some people are using it right now, when these people are caught, they should face a punishment PUBLICALLY announced by CCP, and very PUBLICALLY adhered to with 0 exceptions.
If its an R-K member so be it, but my guys are clear that if they use it, and I find out, they are corpless immediately.
Its cheating.
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=176347
www.kia-corp.co.uk/killboard
CEO of KIA Corp - Been doing it for the Laydeez since 1993, now we i |
KIAEddZ
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Posted - 2004.09.28 14:16:00 -
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It is a cheat as long as it isn't part of the make up of Eve itself.
Admiral Ice Block, your opinion is ridiculous.
CCP should either make it an option in the graphics options, or take away the ability to use it, and SEVERELY punish those that do.
In a fleet of 30 vs 30 battle, non vheaters would lose 5 ships, to a force that has already done its killing and warped away to safe spots.
Whilst the lag is bad, it is an absdolute MUST that it is the same lag for all parties as far as CCP can effect it.
(PC specs and connection have a bearing on this I know)
I am 100% sure that some people are using it right now, when these people are caught, they should face a punishment PUBLICALLY announced by CCP, and very PUBLICALLY adhered to with 0 exceptions.
If its an R-K member so be it, but my guys are clear that if they use it, and I find out, they are corpless immediately.
Its cheating.
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=176347
www.kia-corp.co.uk/killboard
CEO of KIA Corp - Been doing it for the Laydeez since 1993, now we i |
Galton Grimm
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Posted - 2004.09.28 14:31:00 -
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The problem is the lag, that's a bug. It's the only part of the game that CCP has dropped the ball on, and they need to address it. You're focusing your indignation on the wrong people, instead of the players, it should be the devs.
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Galton Grimm
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Posted - 2004.09.28 14:31:00 -
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The problem is the lag, that's a bug. It's the only part of the game that CCP has dropped the ball on, and they need to address it. You're focusing your indignation on the wrong people, instead of the players, it should be the devs.
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Nafri
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Posted - 2004.09.28 14:44:00 -
[19]
 Originally by: KIAEddZ
It is a cheat as long as it isn't part of the make up of Eve itself.
Admiral Ice Block, your opinion is ridiculous.
CCP should either make it an option in the graphics options, or take away the ability to use it, and SEVERELY punish those that do.
In a fleet of 30 vs 30 battle, non vheaters would lose 5 ships, to a force that has already done its killing and warped away to safe spots.
Whilst the lag is bad, it is an absdolute MUST that it is the same lag for all parties as far as CCP can effect it.
(PC specs and connection have a bearing on this I know)
I am 100% sure that some people are using it right now, when these people are caught, they should face a punishment PUBLICALLY announced by CCP, and very PUBLICALLY adhered to with 0 exceptions.
If its an R-K member so be it, but my guys are clear that if they use it, and I find out, they are corpless immediately.
Its cheating.
well problem with exploits like marco mining and this model thing is that CCP has really big problems catching the cheaters
i know some macro miners, petitioned them, nothing happened cause thy cant see anny suspicios in their logs
when this is the same log used to anwswer my other petitions, no wonder
only result i ever seen is when you petition someone for harrasment and make Screenshots of it
Wanna fly with me?
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Nafri
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Posted - 2004.09.28 14:44:00 -
[20]
Originally by: KIAEddZ
It is a cheat as long as it isn't part of the make up of Eve itself.
Admiral Ice Block, your opinion is ridiculous.
CCP should either make it an option in the graphics options, or take away the ability to use it, and SEVERELY punish those that do.
In a fleet of 30 vs 30 battle, non vheaters would lose 5 ships, to a force that has already done its killing and warped away to safe spots.
Whilst the lag is bad, it is an absdolute MUST that it is the same lag for all parties as far as CCP can effect it.
(PC specs and connection have a bearing on this I know)
I am 100% sure that some people are using it right now, when these people are caught, they should face a punishment PUBLICALLY announced by CCP, and very PUBLICALLY adhered to with 0 exceptions.
If its an R-K member so be it, but my guys are clear that if they use it, and I find out, they are corpless immediately.
Its cheating.
well problem with exploits like marco mining and this model thing is that CCP has really big problems catching the cheaters
i know some macro miners, petitioned them, nothing happened cause thy cant see anny suspicios in their logs
when this is the same log used to anwswer my other petitions, no wonder
only result i ever seen is when you petition someone for harrasment and make Screenshots of it
Wanna fly with me?
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Lazareth
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Posted - 2004.09.28 15:28:00 -
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i agree. a response should be given immediately. this exploit has gone on long enough.
or let everyone do it and regress back 10 yrs in graphics technology. 
fix this Now!(tm pending) not soon(tm)! 
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Lazareth
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Posted - 2004.09.28 15:28:00 -
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i agree. a response should be given immediately. this exploit has gone on long enough.
or let everyone do it and regress back 10 yrs in graphics technology.
fix this Now!(tm pending) not soon(tm)!
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Der Ewige
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Posted - 2004.09.28 15:32:00 -
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Quote:
Do not post about bugs and exploits.
Bugs and exploits should be reported through the proper method by filing a report for our Quality Assurance department. You can find the form here. Issues discovered while playing on the Chaos test server should be noted in the Patch Review forum. Discussions about unverified problems in the game can cause unnecessary panic in the community. When there is an issue the community needs to be aware of, we will make an official statement about it.
So I am in bevore this thread is closed, but don't panik several petitions regarding this problem has bin sent and answered.
But I cant tell you cause:
Quote:
Private communication between the Game Masters, Eve Team members, moderators and administrators of the forum and the forum users is not to be made public on these forums or by any other venue.
You are not permitted to publicize any private correspondence (including petitions) received from any of the aforementioned. quote]
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Der Ewige
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Posted - 2004.09.28 15:32:00 -
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Quote:
Do not post about bugs and exploits.
Bugs and exploits should be reported through the proper method by filing a report for our Quality Assurance department. You can find the form here. Issues discovered while playing on the Chaos test server should be noted in the Patch Review forum. Discussions about unverified problems in the game can cause unnecessary panic in the community. When there is an issue the community needs to be aware of, we will make an official statement about it.
So I am in bevore this thread is closed, but don't panik several petitions regarding this problem has bin sent and answered.
But I cant tell you cause:
Quote:
Private communication between the Game Masters, Eve Team members, moderators and administrators of the forum and the forum users is not to be made public on these forums or by any other venue.
You are not permitted to publicize any private correspondence (including petitions) received from any of the aforementioned. quote]
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Keikan
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Posted - 2004.09.28 15:43:00 -
[25]
Originally by: KIAEddZ
I personally would like to know what is being done?
Can CCP introduce a client side check to find the people cheating with this hack?
But more importantly, WHAT will be the punishment for those caught with it?
This should be clearly stated, and followed through 100% without exceptions when the cheats are caught.
Those of us that are too honest to sink to such exploits, should know we are honest with a good cause.
If there is an aswer someonwhere OTHER than the EULA, please someone link it here :) thx
Now ive heard you guys talk about this before in teh past...And also some others too.
What out of interest what does give you the impression that your opposing party or anyone could be using this If it is even possible?
I mean whenever im in a big fleet battle I either get a hell of a lot of lag, or its quite playable indeed.
I just basically want to know what gives you the impression that a 3rd party is using/has the ability to remove the render of ship models in space so only the brackets are visible?
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Keikan
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Posted - 2004.09.28 15:43:00 -
[26]
Originally by: KIAEddZ
I personally would like to know what is being done?
Can CCP introduce a client side check to find the people cheating with this hack?
But more importantly, WHAT will be the punishment for those caught with it?
This should be clearly stated, and followed through 100% without exceptions when the cheats are caught.
Those of us that are too honest to sink to such exploits, should know we are honest with a good cause.
If there is an aswer someonwhere OTHER than the EULA, please someone link it here :) thx
Now ive heard you guys talk about this before in teh past...And also some others too.
What out of interest what does give you the impression that your opposing party or anyone could be using this If it is even possible?
I mean whenever im in a big fleet battle I either get a hell of a lot of lag, or its quite playable indeed.
I just basically want to know what gives you the impression that a 3rd party is using/has the ability to remove the render of ship models in space so only the brackets are visible?
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darth solo
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Posted - 2004.09.28 15:46:00 -
[27]
ok sry as usual, am in the dark... whats been goin on?, what exploit?....
Eddz good to see ya again btw, hehe. hope the war against those infidels if goin well .
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darth solo
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Posted - 2004.09.28 15:46:00 -
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ok sry as usual, am in the dark... whats been goin on?, what exploit?....
Eddz good to see ya again btw, hehe. hope the war against those infidels if goin well.
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KIAEddZ
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Posted - 2004.09.28 15:52:00 -
[29]
Edited by: KIAEddZ on 28/09/2004 15:59:05
It goes very well Darth, good to see you also.
I am not here to pointy ANY fingers, but only to get support for a public condemnation of these hacks, and a public announcement of the consequence for being caught with such hacks.
Once this has been made public, at least CCP will be bound to honour that statement when the cheaters are caught.
They must do this OR make it publically available to all, not just people willing to hack thier Eve files.
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=176347
www.kia-corp.co.uk/killboard
CEO of KIA Corp - Been doing it for the Laydeez since 1993, now we i |
KIAEddZ
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Posted - 2004.09.28 15:52:00 -
[30]
Edited by: KIAEddZ on 28/09/2004 15:59:05
It goes very well Darth, good to see you also.
I am not here to pointy ANY fingers, but only to get support for a public condemnation of these hacks, and a public announcement of the consequence for being caught with such hacks.
Once this has been made public, at least CCP will be bound to honour that statement when the cheaters are caught.
They must do this OR make it publically available to all, not just people willing to hack thier Eve files.
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=176347
www.kia-corp.co.uk/killboard
CEO of KIA Corp - Been doing it for the Laydeez since 1993, now we i |
Faeris Deschamps
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Posted - 2004.09.28 16:04:00 -
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You guys should read your EULA. Cheat or no cheat, it's simply not allowed.
Quote:
7. CONDUCT
A. Specifically Restricted Conduct
(2) You may not use your own or third-party software to modify any content appearing within the Game environment or change how the Game is played.
'Nuff said.
Originally by: "Mahrai Ziller"
Oh, they never lie. They dissemble, evade, prevaricate, confound, confuse, distract, obscure, subtly misrepresent and wilfully misunderstand with what often appears to be a positively gleeful relish and are perfectly capable of contriving to give one an utterly unambiguous impression of their future course of action while in fact intending to do exactly the opposite, but they never lie. Perish the thought.
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Faeris Deschamps
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Posted - 2004.09.28 16:04:00 -
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You guys should read your EULA. Cheat or no cheat, it's simply not allowed.
Quote:
7. CONDUCT
A. Specifically Restricted Conduct
(2) You may not use your own or third-party software to modify any content appearing within the Game environment or change how the Game is played.
'Nuff said.
Originally by: "Mahrai Ziller"
Oh, they never lie. They dissemble, evade, prevaricate, confound, confuse, distract, obscure, subtly misrepresent and wilfully misunderstand with what often appears to be a positively gleeful relish and are perfectly capable of contriving to give one an utterly unambiguous impression of their future course of action while in fact intending to do exactly the opposite, but they never lie. Perish the thought.
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2004.09.28 16:08:00 -
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Originally by: darth solo
ok sry as usual, am in the dark... whats been goin on?, what exploit?....
Eddz good to see ya again btw, hehe. hope the war against those infidels if goin well.
It's going so well for them solo that they are stricken with fear that we are using l33t hax to beat them.
As confirmed by Reptar of course:
[ 2004.09.25 22:40:10 ] Reptar > oh nos but u use l33t h4x so dont lag
Basically, the PA have been ****scared for weeks that we are cheating to gain an advantage because we ain't scared to jump into their bigger blobs.
Anyone who was in the NVA will remember the same accusations being thrown at Biomass...
Fear does funny things to people.
If peeps are using some sort of mod' on the game then they should be banned 100%.
Just remember that cheaters never prosper in the long run.
Not even skillz ;)
dbp
Current RKK Ranking: (CAL4) Soldier
Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2004.09.28 16:08:00 -
[34]
Originally by: darth solo
ok sry as usual, am in the dark... whats been goin on?, what exploit?....
Eddz good to see ya again btw, hehe. hope the war against those infidels if goin well.
It's going so well for them solo that they are stricken with fear that we are using l33t hax to beat them.
As confirmed by Reptar of course:
[ 2004.09.25 22:40:10 ] Reptar > oh nos but u use l33t h4x so dont lag
Basically, the PA have been ****scared for weeks that we are cheating to gain an advantage because we ain't scared to jump into their bigger blobs.
Anyone who was in the NVA will remember the same accusations being thrown at Biomass...
Fear does funny things to people.
If peeps are using some sort of mod' on the game then they should be banned 100%.
Just remember that cheaters never prosper in the long run.
Not even skillz ;)
dbp
Current RKK Ranking: (CAL4) Soldier
Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
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Grut
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Posted - 2004.09.28 16:13:00 -
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I dont think you'll get massive community support on this partiicular hack 'cause ccp should have put it in the game ages ago.
But your right its about as lame as they come. If someones using this they have a clear an undisputed advantage over you, its no different to using an wallhack in an fps, and should be treated accordingly.
Its just a shame when a hack works by letting players use tactics and skill rather then the randomness of a lagfest
Mostly harmless |
Grut
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Posted - 2004.09.28 16:13:00 -
[36]
I dont think you'll get massive community support on this partiicular hack 'cause ccp should have put it in the game ages ago.
But your right its about as lame as they come. If someones using this they have a clear an undisputed advantage over you, its no different to using an wallhack in an fps, and should be treated accordingly.
Its just a shame when a hack works by letting players use tactics and skill rather then the randomness of a lagfest
Mostly harmless |
kieron
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Posted - 2004.09.28 16:18:00 -
[37]
CCP is aware that there are players changing the code to give themselves an advantage in the game and are *always* looking for ways to catch and deal with these players. The Devs are also searching for ways to lessen lag (yesterday's Dev Blog and server upgrades, to name a recent few). Just because these are not mentioned on the forums on a regular basis doesn't mean that steps are not being taken.
As for those that cheat and are caught, player privacy will be respected. As satisfying as it may be to know that "X player was caught cheating and perma banned", that information will not be made public.
kieron
Community Manager,
EVE Online
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kieron
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Posted - 2004.09.28 16:18:00 -
[38]
CCP is aware that there are players changing the code to give themselves an advantage in the game and are *always* looking for ways to catch and deal with these players. The Devs are also searching for ways to lessen lag (yesterday's Dev Blog and server upgrades, to name a recent few). Just because these are not mentioned on the forums on a regular basis doesn't mean that steps are not being taken.
As for those that cheat and are caught, player privacy will be respected. As satisfying as it may be to know that "X player was caught cheating and perma banned", that information will not be made public.
kieron
Community Manager,
EVE Online
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Tindel
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Posted - 2004.09.28 16:45:00 -
[39]
Why bother?
They got more important things to do, like patching in this no-model feature for all users, or magic away the horrible lag this ****ty looking game should not have in the first place.
Y helo thar
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Tindel
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Posted - 2004.09.28 16:45:00 -
[40]
Why bother?
They got more important things to do, like patching in this no-model feature for all users, or magic away the horrible lag this ****ty looking game should not have in the first place.
Y helo thar
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SirMolle
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Posted - 2004.09.28 16:56:00 -
[41]
So, in short, you're not pointing any fingers at anyone, and you still know for certain that this is being done.
And the common consensus as stated by Reptar, is that PA thinks we are doing this, and you're still not pointing any fingers?
I'll invite any developer/GM to check ANY and ALL of our members clients at ANY time.
I'm so sick of all these cheat accusations, be it implied, or hidden, or "not pointing fingers at anyone".
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SirMolle
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Posted - 2004.09.28 16:56:00 -
[42]
So, in short, you're not pointing any fingers at anyone, and you still know for certain that this is being done.
And the common consensus as stated by Reptar, is that PA thinks we are doing this, and you're still not pointing any fingers?
I'll invite any developer/GM to check ANY and ALL of our members clients at ANY time.
I'm so sick of all these cheat accusations, be it implied, or hidden, or "not pointing fingers at anyone".
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DigitalCommunist
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Posted - 2004.09.28 18:02:00 -
[43]
Bull**** Eddz.
You're not pointing any fingers, but this question of "killing the rendering of ships cheat" comes at a time when PA are throwing around accusations at the "C.C.P. Alliance" of exactly the same damn thing. You pathetic whining losers can't take losses without looking for excuses as to why you just plain suck.
Its so blatantly obvious you suspect us, that I don't see how this could possibly be any more offensive.
As for the cheat itself, I have never ever heard of anyone actually doing it - disabling model rendering. The whole exploit thing was made up when members complained about fleet lag and that CCP should add the option of icon-only interface. Since then its been used as an excuse by the losing side, over and over and over. If not an excuse, then at least a justification.
There is probably one person that I know in the EVE community that could probably pull this off without totally wrecking their client, and thats Ganja. And he doesn't play anymore.. much less care for an icon-only interface.
So for your information, we lag out just as much as you in fleet battle, if not worse - considering your side never wants to jump in on us.
I will give 10mil isk to the first Phoenix Alliance member that clearly states and admits the fact that one of the reasons PA never wants to jump in and/or justifies their loss due to C.C.P.'s aleged use of this exploit.
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Perpetually driven, your end is our beginning.
"Can I be a consultant for EVE II?" - WhiteDwarf |
DigitalCommunist
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Posted - 2004.09.28 18:02:00 -
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Bull**** Eddz.
You're not pointing any fingers, but this question of "killing the rendering of ships cheat" comes at a time when PA are throwing around accusations at the "C.C.P. Alliance" of exactly the same damn thing. You pathetic whining losers can't take losses without looking for excuses as to why you just plain suck.
Its so blatantly obvious you suspect us, that I don't see how this could possibly be any more offensive.
As for the cheat itself, I have never ever heard of anyone actually doing it - disabling model rendering. The whole exploit thing was made up when members complained about fleet lag and that CCP should add the option of icon-only interface. Since then its been used as an excuse by the losing side, over and over and over. If not an excuse, then at least a justification.
There is probably one person that I know in the EVE community that could probably pull this off without totally wrecking their client, and thats Ganja. And he doesn't play anymore.. much less care for an icon-only interface.
So for your information, we lag out just as much as you in fleet battle, if not worse - considering your side never wants to jump in on us.
I will give 10mil isk to the first Phoenix Alliance member that clearly states and admits the fact that one of the reasons PA never wants to jump in and/or justifies their loss due to C.C.P.'s aleged use of this exploit.
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Perpetually driven, your end is our beginning.
"Can I be a consultant for EVE II?" - WhiteDwarf |
Dianabolic
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Posted - 2004.09.28 18:44:00 -
[45]
To be perfectly honest this should be an option on the game itself anyway. In order of priority I want:
Gameplay
Stability
Graphics
Having a slide-show in combat completely GIMPS Gameplay. I've asked for it before, I'll ask for it again, CCP: Give us an option to REMOVE ship / drone / missile models in this game, they are completely uneccesary for combat when we are zoomed out to the max.
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Dianabolic
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Posted - 2004.09.28 18:44:00 -
[46]
To be perfectly honest this should be an option on the game itself anyway. In order of priority I want:
Gameplay
Stability
Graphics
Having a slide-show in combat completely GIMPS Gameplay. I've asked for it before, I'll ask for it again, CCP: Give us an option to REMOVE ship / drone / missile models in this game, they are completely uneccesary for combat when we are zoomed out to the max.
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bUBbLeS
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Posted - 2004.09.28 19:10:00 -
[47]
i'm missing the point?
are you talking about some kinda client side hack?
or is this an extension of the "lame-node" exploit?
Julius ceaser : "operor vos volo MCCCXXXVII laganum bUBbLeS?"
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bUBbLeS
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Posted - 2004.09.28 19:10:00 -
[48]
i'm missing the point?
are you talking about some kinda client side hack?
or is this an extension of the "lame-node" exploit?
Julius ceaser : "operor vos volo MCCCXXXVII laganum bUBbLeS?"
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Terra Rizing
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Posted - 2004.09.28 19:23:00 -
[49]
I can't consider myself a coder or anything and sure as hell not an expert per se, but I actually DO see some difficulties to even pull this kind of cheat without completely fubarring the client.
But then ... its always funny to talk to a buddy in one of the accused parties and have a laugh about how some ppl try to look for excuses which are getting more and more pathetic. What comes next? Will the darn sploiters go to CCP HQ and demand a godmode at gunpoint?
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M34t p0p s1ckle Manufacturing - All ur biomass r belong to us |
Terra Rizing
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Posted - 2004.09.28 19:23:00 -
[50]
I can't consider myself a coder or anything and sure as hell not an expert per se, but I actually DO see some difficulties to even pull this kind of cheat without completely fubarring the client.
But then ... its always funny to talk to a buddy in one of the accused parties and have a laugh about how some ppl try to look for excuses which are getting more and more pathetic. What comes next? Will the darn sploiters go to CCP HQ and demand a godmode at gunpoint?
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M34t p0p s1ckle Manufacturing - All ur biomass r belong to us |
MaiLina KaTar
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Posted - 2004.09.28 19:44:00 -
[51]
Wow... all this sounds pretty scary 
Seriously you gotta have some huge balls to start cheating in this game. I mean... if they catch you doing it you're looking at loosing more than a year of playtime. Can you imagine the feeling when you realise that you just wasted >300$ because you tried to cheat?
I swear I'd shoot myself in the head. Not that I'd ever consider cheating though... takes away the challenge. Only loosers play without challenge 
Mai's Idealog |
MaiLina KaTar
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Posted - 2004.09.28 19:44:00 -
[52]
Wow... all this sounds pretty scary
Seriously you gotta have some huge balls to start cheating in this game. I mean... if they catch you doing it you're looking at loosing more than a year of playtime. Can you imagine the feeling when you realise that you just wasted >300$ because you tried to cheat?
I swear I'd shoot myself in the head. Not that I'd ever consider cheating though... takes away the challenge. Only loosers play without challenge
Mai's Idealog |
Elrathias
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Posted - 2004.09.28 20:02:00 -
[53]
Originally by: kieron
CCP is aware that there are players changing the code to give themselves an advantage in the game and are *always* looking for ways to catch and deal with these players. The Devs are also searching for ways to lessen lag (yesterday's Dev Blog and server upgrades, to name a recent few). Just because these are not mentioned on the forums on a regular basis doesn't mean that steps are not being taken.
As for those that cheat and are caught, player privacy will be respected. As satisfying as it may be to know that "X player was caught cheating and perma banned", that information will not be made public.
on a sidenote, fire the ******** that build the graphics engine. it needs an overhaul NOW. i mean, drawing perfect models cept for boosters and guns at 450km is COMPLETELY INSANE. make em 4x4 pixels of same color or something. it aint larger than that anyway
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Elrathias
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Posted - 2004.09.28 20:02:00 -
[54]
Originally by: kieron
CCP is aware that there are players changing the code to give themselves an advantage in the game and are *always* looking for ways to catch and deal with these players. The Devs are also searching for ways to lessen lag (yesterday's Dev Blog and server upgrades, to name a recent few). Just because these are not mentioned on the forums on a regular basis doesn't mean that steps are not being taken.
As for those that cheat and are caught, player privacy will be respected. As satisfying as it may be to know that "X player was caught cheating and perma banned", that information will not be made public.
on a sidenote, fire the ******** that build the graphics engine. it needs an overhaul NOW. i mean, drawing perfect models cept for boosters and guns at 450km is COMPLETELY INSANE. make em 4x4 pixels of same color or something. it aint larger than that anyway
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Sun Ra
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Posted - 2004.09.28 20:05:00 -
[55]
Theres no way u gonna get everyone witht he same amount of lag, in the battle we had over the weekend i had very little others moaned of lots, theres been times when i've frozen and cant see other ships while others are fine, theres so many factors, inet connection, gfx card, cpu, sound on/off, logging on/off, auto scanner on/off, ui on/off.
There have been times when i've lagged and others when i have not in the same size battle i have no idea why and im pretty sure ccp dont either
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Sun Ra
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Posted - 2004.09.28 20:05:00 -
[56]
Theres no way u gonna get everyone witht he same amount of lag, in the battle we had over the weekend i had very little others moaned of lots, theres been times when i've frozen and cant see other ships while others are fine, theres so many factors, inet connection, gfx card, cpu, sound on/off, logging on/off, auto scanner on/off, ui on/off.
There have been times when i've lagged and others when i have not in the same size battle i have no idea why and im pretty sure ccp dont either
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Terra Rizing
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Posted - 2004.09.28 20:13:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Elrathias
on a sidenote, fire the ******** that build the graphics engine. it needs an overhaul NOW. i mean, drawing perfect models cept for boosters and guns at 450km is COMPLETELY INSANE. make em 4x4 pixels of same color or something. it aint larger than that anyway
LOL umm yes the lod system (level of detail) in Eve could do with a tweak or two. Any game I can think of has it (Operation Flashpoint has about 10-12, pretty much shines in that aspect) to reduce lag. If a game wouldn't use lods, it would lag with lots of stuff going on even if you played offline.
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Terra Rizing
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Posted - 2004.09.28 20:13:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Elrathias
on a sidenote, fire the ******** that build the graphics engine. it needs an overhaul NOW. i mean, drawing perfect models cept for boosters and guns at 450km is COMPLETELY INSANE. make em 4x4 pixels of same color or something. it aint larger than that anyway
LOL umm yes the lod system (level of detail) in Eve could do with a tweak or two. Any game I can think of has it (Operation Flashpoint has about 10-12, pretty much shines in that aspect) to reduce lag. If a game wouldn't use lods, it would lag with lots of stuff going on even if you played offline.
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Sun Ra
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Posted - 2004.09.28 20:39:00 -
[59]
I do hax tho
q2 hacky
q2 hacky 2
but this is perfectly legal in q2 
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Sun Ra
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Posted - 2004.09.28 20:39:00 -
[60]
I do hax tho
q2 hacky
q2 hacky 2
but this is perfectly legal in q2
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Dianabolic
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Posted - 2004.09.28 20:46:00 -
[61]
Originally by: bUBbLeS
are you talking about some kinda client side hack?
So the story goes it is exactly that - CCP have admitted it IS possible to delete the models within eve so that, when you play, all the graphics engine will render is pretty squares / crosses / whatever. It is, hopefully, how the tactical display (come shiva) will work.
And they are unable to detect if people are doing it.
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Dianabolic
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Posted - 2004.09.28 20:46:00 -
[62]
Originally by: bUBbLeS
are you talking about some kinda client side hack?
So the story goes it is exactly that - CCP have admitted it IS possible to delete the models within eve so that, when you play, all the graphics engine will render is pretty squares / crosses / whatever. It is, hopefully, how the tactical display (come shiva) will work.
And they are unable to detect if people are doing it.
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stinky fecker
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Posted - 2004.09.28 20:51:00 -
[63]
Originally by: DigitalCommunist
I will give 10mil isk to the first Phoenix Alliance member that clearly states and admits the fact that one of the reasons PA never wants to jump in and/or justifies their loss due to C.C.P.'s aleged use of this exploit.
i hereby clearly state and admit that thing what you said
10m please |
stinky fecker
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Posted - 2004.09.28 20:51:00 -
[64]
Originally by: DigitalCommunist
I will give 10mil isk to the first Phoenix Alliance member that clearly states and admits the fact that one of the reasons PA never wants to jump in and/or justifies their loss due to C.C.P.'s aleged use of this exploit.
i hereby clearly state and admit that thing what you said
10m please |
Kaladryn
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Posted - 2004.09.28 22:57:00 -
[65]
Other MMOGs are now doing client side computer scans, not just of the game folder, but of every process running. This is the ONLY solution to some types of cheating, and I'm not even sure it is a full solution. This would irk a lot of people but I think it would be worth it.
Kaladryn |
Kaladryn
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Posted - 2004.09.28 22:57:00 -
[66]
Other MMOGs are now doing client side computer scans, not just of the game folder, but of every process running. This is the ONLY solution to some types of cheating, and I'm not even sure it is a full solution. This would irk a lot of people but I think it would be worth it.
Kaladryn |
Jaabaa Prime
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Posted - 2004.09.28 23:13:00 -
[67]
My personal obseravtions and thoughts:
I never knew about this until yesterday, but as a programmer it makes sense. Remove the model and then you remove the lag.
I tried starting EVE from my file server via a 100MBit LAN, it took for ever, I think the code is CRC checked but not too sure about the .stuff files considering this thread.
Anyone one that needs the "no load lag" edge is just pathetic. Play and win or lose on an even field. Otherwise you are an exploiter.
/me goes to kill stuff and play the game instead of discussing it to death.
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Intergalactic Teeth Pullers
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."
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Jaabaa Prime
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Posted - 2004.09.28 23:13:00 -
[68]
My personal obseravtions and thoughts:
I never knew about this until yesterday, but as a programmer it makes sense. Remove the model and then you remove the lag.
I tried starting EVE from my file server via a 100MBit LAN, it took for ever, I think the code is CRC checked but not too sure about the .stuff files considering this thread.
Anyone one that needs the "no load lag" edge is just pathetic. Play and win or lose on an even field. Otherwise you are an exploiter.
/me goes to kill stuff and play the game instead of discussing it to death.
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Intergalactic Teeth Pullers
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."
Albert Einstein |
Hakera
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Posted - 2004.09.29 00:19:00 -
[69]
Edited by: Hakera on 29/09/2004 00:25:09
Use Punkbuster, there are certain key files in the eve client that can be scanned as you connect to the server relatively quickly, if a difference in file size is detected just deny a connection.
Dumbledore - Eve-I.com |
Hakera
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Posted - 2004.09.29 00:19:00 -
[70]
Edited by: Hakera on 29/09/2004 00:25:09
Use Punkbuster, there are certain key files in the eve client that can be scanned as you connect to the server relatively quickly, if a difference in file size is detected just deny a connection.
Dumbledore - Eve-I.com |
SirMolle
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Posted - 2004.09.29 00:37:00 -
[71]
So, tell me again HOW you know for certain this is being used?
Oh, and please this link for reference and then answer.
I have nothing else to say.
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SirMolle
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Posted - 2004.09.29 00:37:00 -
[72]
So, tell me again HOW you know for certain this is being used?
Oh, and please this link for reference and then answer.
I have nothing else to say.
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Deathwing
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Posted - 2004.09.29 00:40:00 -
[73]
Dont forget to cough when u bend over pls 
<Stavros> A MAN DRESSED AS SPIDERMAN KICKED MY ASS |
Deathwing
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Posted - 2004.09.29 00:40:00 -
[74]
Dont forget to cough when u bend over pls
<Stavros> A MAN DRESSED AS SPIDERMAN KICKED MY ASS |
Nafri
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Posted - 2004.09.29 00:42:00 -
[75]
Originally by: SirMolle
So, tell me again HOW you know for certain this is being used?
Oh, and please this link for reference and then answer.
I have nothing else to say.
ouch, well, thats gonna hurt
Wanna fly with me?
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Nafri
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Posted - 2004.09.29 00:42:00 -
[76]
Originally by: SirMolle
So, tell me again HOW you know for certain this is being used?
Oh, and please this link for reference and then answer.
I have nothing else to say.
ouch, well, thats gonna hurt
Wanna fly with me?
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Rodney Munch
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Posted - 2004.09.29 00:42:00 -
[77]
Originally by: SirMolle
So, tell me again HOW you know for certain this is being used?
Oh, and please this link for reference and then answer.
I have nothing else to say.
and erm ..
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Rodney Munch
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Posted - 2004.09.29 00:42:00 -
[78]
Originally by: SirMolle
So, tell me again HOW you know for certain this is being used?
Oh, and please this link for reference and then answer.
I have nothing else to say.
and erm ..
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olyyy
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Posted - 2004.09.29 00:44:00 -
[79]
Originally by: SirMolle
So, tell me again HOW you know for certain this is being used?
Oh, and please this link for reference and then answer.
I have nothing else to say.
pwned.
Galaga (Galaxian - XIF corp) And yes, Olyyy is on our KOS list so she enjoys stirring the "flames" ( 2004.05.25 ) |
olyyy
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Posted - 2004.09.29 00:44:00 -
[80]
Originally by: SirMolle
So, tell me again HOW you know for certain this is being used?
Oh, and please this link for reference and then answer.
I have nothing else to say.
pwned.
Galaga (Galaxian - XIF corp) And yes, Olyyy is on our KOS list so she enjoys stirring the "flames" ( 2004.05.25 ) |
Luc Boye
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Posted - 2004.09.29 00:51:00 -
[81]
*cough*
ahem.
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2004.12.29 23:33:40combatMining Pollution Cloud hits you, doing 140.0 damage. |
Luc Boye
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Posted - 2004.09.29 00:51:00 -
[82]
*cough*
ahem.
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Galavet
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Posted - 2004.09.29 01:08:00 -
[83]
Edited by: Galavet on 29/09/2004 01:10:42
Those of us that are too honest to sink to such exploits, should know we are honest with a good cause.
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Galavet
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Posted - 2004.09.29 01:08:00 -
[84]
Edited by: Galavet on 29/09/2004 01:10:42
Those of us that are too honest to sink to such exploits, should know we are honest with a good cause.
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Blacklight
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Posted - 2004.09.29 01:10:00 -
[85]
pffft, that's comical, talk about caught with your hand in the cookie jar!
Eve Blacklight Style
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Blacklight
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Posted - 2004.09.29 01:10:00 -
[86]
pffft, that's comical, talk about caught with your hand in the cookie jar!
Eve Blacklight Style
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KoeShadowhawk
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Posted - 2004.09.29 01:12:00 -
[87]
Edited by: KoeShadowhawk on 29/09/2004 01:14:24
BAD PA , no more cAKe for y00
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KoeShadowhawk
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Posted - 2004.09.29 01:12:00 -
[88]
Edited by: KoeShadowhawk on 29/09/2004 01:14:24
BAD PA , no more cAKe for y00
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Etoile Chercheur
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Posted - 2004.09.29 01:19:00 -
[89]
ouch. didn't think anyone else read your forums? jeebus, what a burn!
would you like some ketchup with that foot? mayo, mustard, anything?
i agree that models you're zoomed so far out you can't even see shouldn't be rendered. in fact, if i were CCP, i would include a completely user-configurable setting that allows the player to punch in the zoom level at which ships become rendered. 0% zoom would be right up on your ship. 100% would be as far out as you can get. i think i'd set mine at about 15% or so. would be a VERY nice feature. hopefully, something is being done about this and being incorporated into the new tactical view.
Midshipman Etoile Chercheur - Logistics Division (M&T) | Hadean Drive Yards
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Etoile Chercheur
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Posted - 2004.09.29 01:19:00 -
[90]
ouch. didn't think anyone else read your forums? jeebus, what a burn!
would you like some ketchup with that foot? mayo, mustard, anything?
i agree that models you're zoomed so far out you can't even see shouldn't be rendered. in fact, if i were CCP, i would include a completely user-configurable setting that allows the player to punch in the zoom level at which ships become rendered. 0% zoom would be right up on your ship. 100% would be as far out as you can get. i think i'd set mine at about 15% or so. would be a VERY nice feature. hopefully, something is being done about this and being incorporated into the new tactical view.
Midshipman Etoile Chercheur - Logistics Division (M&T) | Hadean Drive Yards
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Dianabolic
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Posted - 2004.09.29 01:22:00 -
[91]
Originally by: SirMolle
So, tell me again HOW you know for certain this is being used?
Oh, and please this link for reference and then answer.
I have nothing else to say.
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Dianabolic
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Posted - 2004.09.29 01:22:00 -
[92]
Originally by: SirMolle
So, tell me again HOW you know for certain this is being used?
Oh, and please this link for reference and then answer.
I have nothing else to say.
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Luc Boye
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Posted - 2004.09.29 01:29:00 -
[93]
Tick Tock?
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Luc Boye
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Posted - 2004.09.29 01:29:00 -
[94]
Tick Tock?
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2004.12.29 23:33:40combatMining Pollution Cloud hits you, doing 140.0 damage. |
Rath Amon
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Posted - 2004.09.29 01:31:00 -
[95]
i bet that post got deleted/closed pretty fast.
no alliance is gimp free
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Rath Amon
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Posted - 2004.09.29 01:31:00 -
[96]
i bet that post got deleted/closed pretty fast.
no alliance is gimp free
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cashman
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Posted - 2004.09.29 01:41:00 -
[97]
Wow, that is awsome. Whining about exploits you're using yourself (your alliance). GG
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cashman
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Posted - 2004.09.29 01:41:00 -
[98]
Wow, that is awsome. Whining about exploits you're using yourself (your alliance). GG
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Alter Mann
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Posted - 2004.09.29 02:27:00 -
[99]
Comedy Golden.
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Alter Mann
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Posted - 2004.09.29 02:27:00 -
[100]
Comedy Golden.
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LLeBRing
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Posted - 2004.09.29 02:28:00 -
[101]
Originally by: SirMolle
So, tell me again HOW you know for certain this is being used?
Oh, and please this link for reference and then answer.
I have nothing else to say.
LOL, I remember that post! Couldn't believe it either, just after I brought it up at a CSM.... oh man..
On another note...
How come you have access to the PA forums and I don't? 
Nuttin but corn bread en chicken for this fella |
LLeBRing
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Posted - 2004.09.29 02:28:00 -
[102]
Originally by: SirMolle
So, tell me again HOW you know for certain this is being used?
Oh, and please this link for reference and then answer.
I have nothing else to say.
LOL, I remember that post! Couldn't believe it either, just after I brought it up at a CSM.... oh man..
On another note...
How come you have access to the PA forums and I don't?
Nuttin but corn bread en chicken for this fella |
Jonny Damordred
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Posted - 2004.09.29 02:55:00 -
[103]
Originally by: LLeBRing
Originally by: SirMolle
So, tell me again HOW you know for certain this is being used?
Oh, and please this link for reference and then answer.
I have nothing else to say.
LOL, I remember that post! Couldn't believe it either, just after I brought it up at a CSM.... oh man..
On another note...
How come you have access to the PA forums and I don't?
We have Ninjas.
Jonny D.
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Jonny Damordred: Political attachÚ of the Drunken Horde.
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Jonny Damordred
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Posted - 2004.09.29 02:55:00 -
[104]
Originally by: LLeBRing
Originally by: SirMolle
So, tell me again HOW you know for certain this is being used?
Oh, and please this link for reference and then answer.
I have nothing else to say.
LOL, I remember that post! Couldn't believe it either, just after I brought it up at a CSM.... oh man..
On another note...
How come you have access to the PA forums and I don't?
We have Ninjas.
Jonny D.
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Jonny Damordred: Political attachÚ of the Drunken Horde.
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Javi
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Posted - 2004.09.29 03:20:00 -
[105]
got his foot and a couple more stuff in his mouth atm, give him time to recollect himself.
ps: 
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"well..."
-Estarriol, Evolution AZN Calculat |
Javi
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Posted - 2004.09.29 03:20:00 -
[106]
got his foot and a couple more stuff in his mouth atm, give him time to recollect himself.
ps:
--
"well..."
-Estarriol, Evolution AZN Calculat |
Dirge
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Posted - 2004.09.29 03:29:00 -
[107]
Edited by: Dirge on 29/09/2004 04:21:42
What a bunch of hypocrites these PA members are for even discussing such an exploit on their forums. Makes me wonder why we even bother playing with these retards. To think that they actually accuse others of using this hack while busy discussing how to implement it on their forums is sickening. I can vouch for every single member of Evol. We have never used exploits, discussed how to use them, or even considered such sleazy tactics in the history of the corp. Shame on you PA, I hope you get whats coming to you.
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Dirge
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Posted - 2004.09.29 03:29:00 -
[108]
Edited by: Dirge on 29/09/2004 04:21:42
What a bunch of hypocrites these PA members are for even discussing such an exploit on their forums. Makes me wonder why we even bother playing with these retards. To think that they actually accuse others of using this hack while busy discussing how to implement it on their forums is sickening. I can vouch for every single member of Evol. We have never used exploits, discussed how to use them, or even considered such sleazy tactics in the history of the corp. Shame on you PA, I hope you get whats coming to you.
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Dopefish
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Posted - 2004.09.29 03:30:00 -
[109]
Punkbuster...
or just a crc check on the archives.
And phulease, you all know about this and you also know noone can ever prove anything so stop the blaming and put some preassure on ccp for a fix.
Swedish chef does not like cake |
Dopefish
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Posted - 2004.09.29 03:30:00 -
[110]
Punkbuster...
or just a crc check on the archives.
And phulease, you all know about this and you also know noone can ever prove anything so stop the blaming and put some preassure on ccp for a fix.
Swedish chef does not like cake |
DigitalCommunist
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Posted - 2004.09.29 03:32:00 -
[111]
Originally by: SirMolle
So, tell me again HOW you know for certain this is being used?
Oh, and please this link for reference and then answer.
I have nothing else to say.
OWNED. 
I think I'll be retracting that 10mil isk offer now.
PS: Rath Amon, maybe you should check what KIAPieman's first line is in that screenshot.
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Perpetually driven, your end is our beginning.
"Can I be a consultant for EVE II?" - WhiteDwarf |
DigitalCommunist
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Posted - 2004.09.29 03:32:00 -
[112]
Originally by: SirMolle
So, tell me again HOW you know for certain this is being used?
Oh, and please this link for reference and then answer.
I have nothing else to say.
OWNED.
I think I'll be retracting that 10mil isk offer now.
PS: Rath Amon, maybe you should check what KIAPieman's first line is in that screenshot.
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Perpetually driven, your end is our beginning.
"Can I be a consultant for EVE II?" - WhiteDwarf |
Anasari
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Posted - 2004.09.29 03:57:00 -
[113]
Quote:
I personally would like to know what is being done?
Can CCP introduce a client side check to find the people cheating with this hack?
But more importantly, WHAT will be the punishment for those caught with it?
When I first saw this thread I thought it was just PA coming up with another excuse why they wonÆt fight unless the odds are at least 3:1 in their favor.
Then to see you guys are hacking your clients bring a whole new light to why you are asking if CCP can actually detect it.
Hopefully a GM will be having a chat with you soon to show you the errors of your way. If the outcome of that chat is what most of us think it will be then good luck with your next game.
Quote:
Tell me what the rules are and I will tell you how we are going to win. - John Malone
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Anasari
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Posted - 2004.09.29 03:57:00 -
[114]
Quote:
I personally would like to know what is being done?
Can CCP introduce a client side check to find the people cheating with this hack?
But more importantly, WHAT will be the punishment for those caught with it?
When I first saw this thread I thought it was just PA coming up with another excuse why they wonÆt fight unless the odds are at least 3:1 in their favor.
Then to see you guys are hacking your clients bring a whole new light to why you are asking if CCP can actually detect it.
Hopefully a GM will be having a chat with you soon to show you the errors of your way. If the outcome of that chat is what most of us think it will be then good luck with your next game.
Quote:
Tell me what the rules are and I will tell you how we are going to win. - John Malone
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Deathwing
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Posted - 2004.09.29 04:01:00 -
[115]
Didnt anyone tell u
Evolution are GM's?
<Stavros> A MAN DRESSED AS SPIDERMAN KICKED MY ASS |
Deathwing
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Posted - 2004.09.29 04:01:00 -
[116]
Didnt anyone tell u
Evolution are GM's?
<Stavros> A MAN DRESSED AS SPIDERMAN KICKED MY ASS |
Phenrir
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Posted - 2004.09.29 04:05:00 -
[117]
Originally by: SirMolle
So, tell me again HOW you know for certain this is being used?
Oh, and please this link for reference and then answer.
I have nothing else to say.
I love it how PA has totally shut up now. Thanks Molle
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Phenrir
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Posted - 2004.09.29 04:05:00 -
[118]
Originally by: SirMolle
So, tell me again HOW you know for certain this is being used?
Oh, and please this link for reference and then answer.
I have nothing else to say.
I love it how PA has totally shut up now. Thanks Molle
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Negotiator
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Posted - 2004.09.29 04:12:00 -
[119]
i'd rather CCP publicly stated how its done, so everyone who wanted this could use it. ofcourse, it would void your technical support priveleges until you reverted to the default client version.
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Negotiator
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Posted - 2004.09.29 04:12:00 -
[120]
i'd rather CCP publicly stated how its done, so everyone who wanted this could use it. ofcourse, it would void your technical support priveleges until you reverted to the default client version.
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Archain
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Posted - 2004.09.29 04:46:00 -
[121]
lolz PA, opps?
Space Invaders Movie Library - [SPVD]
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Archain
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Posted - 2004.09.29 04:46:00 -
[122]
lolz PA, opps?
Space Invaders Movie Library - [SPVD]
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Meridius
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Posted - 2004.09.29 05:00:00 -
[123]
Originally by: SirMolle
So, tell me again HOW you know for certain this is being used?
Oh, and please this link for reference and then answer.
I have nothing else to say.
Originally by: KIAEddZ
Those of us that are too honest to sink to such exploits, should know we are honest with a good cause.
Pathetic
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Meridius
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Posted - 2004.09.29 05:00:00 -
[124]
Originally by: SirMolle
So, tell me again HOW you know for certain this is being used?
Oh, and please this link for reference and then answer.
I have nothing else to say.
Originally by: KIAEddZ
Those of us that are too honest to sink to such exploits, should know we are honest with a good cause.
Pathetic
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Gunstar Zero
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Posted - 2004.09.29 05:50:00 -
[125]
funny stuff
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Gunstar Zero
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Posted - 2004.09.29 05:50:00 -
[126]
funny stuff
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UndergrounD
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Posted - 2004.09.29 06:16:00 -
[127]
tick tock
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UndergrounD
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Posted - 2004.09.29 06:16:00 -
[128]
tick tock
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Omniwar
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Posted - 2004.09.29 06:24:00 -
[129]
Utterly lame and I hope you (involved PA members) get a temp ban for your actions 
Did I mention you (involved PA members) were lame ?
Spawn of the Devil
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Omniwar
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Posted - 2004.09.29 06:24:00 -
[130]
Utterly lame and I hope you (involved PA members) get a temp ban for your actions
Did I mention you (involved PA members) were lame ?
Spawn of the Devil
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Kretin Arnon
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Posted - 2004.09.29 06:27:00 -
[131]
Wow, look somebody else but a C.C.P. member is posting.
Though I too think the PA is lame excuse for an "alliance".
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Kretin Arnon
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Posted - 2004.09.29 06:27:00 -
[132]
Wow, look somebody else but a C.C.P. member is posting.
Though I too think the PA is lame excuse for an "alliance".
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Leitari
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Posted - 2004.09.29 06:42:00 -
[133]
Originally by: Kretin Arnon
Wow, look somebody else but a C.C.P. member is posting.
Though I too think the PA is lame excuse for an "alliance".
but dont you think its funny that no PA member is posting??? Hmmmm.
Here, Only the silent survive.
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Leitari
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Posted - 2004.09.29 06:42:00 -
[134]
Originally by: Kretin Arnon
Wow, look somebody else but a C.C.P. member is posting.
Though I too think the PA is lame excuse for an "alliance".
but dont you think its funny that no PA member is posting??? Hmmmm.
Here, Only the silent survive.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.09.29 06:46:00 -
[135]
This is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO ******* funny. PA have left the building!!!
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.09.29 06:46:00 -
[136]
This is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO ******* funny. PA have left the building!!!
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Sun Ra
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Posted - 2004.09.29 06:47:00 -
[137]
HAHAHA whos the exploiters now????
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Sun Ra
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Posted - 2004.09.29 06:47:00 -
[138]
HAHAHA whos the exploiters now????
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Deathwing
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Posted - 2004.09.29 06:50:00 -
[139]
Originally by: Kretin Arnon
Wow, look somebody else but a C.C.P. member is posting.
Though I too think the PA is lame excuse for an "alliance".
Maybe its cause we are all laughin our nutz off at the situation and the PA are off shakin their headz like they just woke up and realized they slept with some buck-tooth hillbilly 
<Stavros> A MAN DRESSED AS SPIDERMAN KICKED MY ASS |
Deathwing
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Posted - 2004.09.29 06:50:00 -
[140]
Originally by: Kretin Arnon
Wow, look somebody else but a C.C.P. member is posting.
Though I too think the PA is lame excuse for an "alliance".
Maybe its cause we are all laughin our nutz off at the situation and the PA are off shakin their headz like they just woke up and realized they slept with some buck-tooth hillbilly
<Stavros> A MAN DRESSED AS SPIDERMAN KICKED MY ASS |
Leitari
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Posted - 2004.09.29 06:51:00 -
[141]
Ok I have to quote something off that screenshot and ask the PA a question.
[GODS]diee.
"and individually decide wether we will commit the crime."
So, actually wondering "wether" you should "commit the crime"? do you guys generally have to wonder if you "should" commit a crime (cheat)??? And you accuse us of cheating?
Here, Only the silent survive.
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Leitari
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Posted - 2004.09.29 06:51:00 -
[142]
Ok I have to quote something off that screenshot and ask the PA a question.
[GODS]diee.
"and individually decide wether we will commit the crime."
So, actually wondering "wether" you should "commit the crime"? do you guys generally have to wonder if you "should" commit a crime (cheat)??? And you accuse us of cheating?
Here, Only the silent survive.
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Deathwing
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Posted - 2004.09.29 06:53:00 -
[143]
I think its more on the like that he has already tried to do it and now hes askin the rest of the hack monkeys how its dun
<Stavros> A MAN DRESSED AS SPIDERMAN KICKED MY ASS |
Deathwing
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Posted - 2004.09.29 06:53:00 -
[144]
I think its more on the like that he has already tried to do it and now hes askin the rest of the hack monkeys how its dun
<Stavros> A MAN DRESSED AS SPIDERMAN KICKED MY ASS |
Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.09.29 07:00:00 -
[145]
Diee [GODS] says, in the screenshot Sirmolle, posted: "Can someone who has successfully done the rendering trick, explain how it works?".
This implies she/he knows people who have used that forum who are currently using the rendering trick and that she/he has tried it him/herself.
If it were upto me that would be enough to take serious action against Diee.
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.09.29 07:00:00 -
[146]
Diee [GODS] says, in the screenshot Sirmolle, posted: "Can someone who has successfully done the rendering trick, explain how it works?".
This implies she/he knows people who have used that forum who are currently using the rendering trick and that she/he has tried it him/herself.
If it were upto me that would be enough to take serious action against Diee.
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Deathwing
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Posted - 2004.09.29 07:05:00 -
[147]
josh u nub he already said in the ss that he has tried to do it
try to keep up
<Stavros> A MAN DRESSED AS SPIDERMAN KICKED MY ASS |
Deathwing
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Posted - 2004.09.29 07:05:00 -
[148]
josh u nub he already said in the ss that he has tried to do it
try to keep up
<Stavros> A MAN DRESSED AS SPIDERMAN KICKED MY ASS |
Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.09.29 07:06:00 -
[149]
Originally by: Deathwing
josh u nub he already said in the ss that he has tried to do it
try to keep up
Oh.
Well.
I was just reiterating that very valid point.
Yes.
Ummm.
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.09.29 07:06:00 -
[150]
Originally by: Deathwing
josh u nub he already said in the ss that he has tried to do it
try to keep up
Oh.
Well.
I was just reiterating that very valid point.
Yes.
Ummm.
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Deathwing
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Posted - 2004.09.29 07:08:00 -
[151]
n00b
Anyways
I DEMAND WE SACRAFICE THIS SPLOITING MOFO TO TOMB AND TEH NERF BAT OF D00M
<Stavros> A MAN DRESSED AS SPIDERMAN KICKED MY ASS |
Deathwing
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Posted - 2004.09.29 07:08:00 -
[152]
n00b
Anyways
I DEMAND WE SACRAFICE THIS SPLOITING MOFO TO TOMB AND TEH NERF BAT OF D00M
<Stavros> A MAN DRESSED AS SPIDERMAN KICKED MY ASS |
Icomeinpeace
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Posted - 2004.09.29 07:10:00 -
[153]
Edited by: Icomeinpeace on 29/09/2004 07:13:54
Rofl, can't say I'm surprized though.
If I was gona take a wild guess at this whole situation I would say thatit almost looks like PA has been working on their own exploitz and covering it up by accusing other people.
Like if this diee guy is asking about it so openly, he must be expecting an answer from who?I would think the higher up GODS people who prolly know how to sploit(and *cough* might actually be using teh sploitz)
Of course I'm not gona accuse anyone, I'm just gona sit and watch k thx.
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Icomeinpeace
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Posted - 2004.09.29 07:10:00 -
[154]
Edited by: Icomeinpeace on 29/09/2004 07:13:54
Rofl, can't say I'm surprized though.
If I was gona take a wild guess at this whole situation I would say thatit almost looks like PA has been working on their own exploitz and covering it up by accusing other people.
Like if this diee guy is asking about it so openly, he must be expecting an answer from who?I would think the higher up GODS people who prolly know how to sploit(and *cough* might actually be using teh sploitz)
Of course I'm not gona accuse anyone, I'm just gona sit and watch k thx.
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Leitari
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Posted - 2004.09.29 07:11:00 -
[155]
DOOM DOOM DOOM THE JUDGE APPROACHES. DOOM DOOM DOOM.
(3) You may not use macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play. You may not rewrite or modify the user interface or otherwise manipulate data in any way to acquire items, currency, objects, character attributes or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved in the Game.
Here, Only the silent survive.
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Leitari
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Posted - 2004.09.29 07:11:00 -
[156]
DOOM DOOM DOOM THE JUDGE APPROACHES. DOOM DOOM DOOM.
(3) You may not use macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play. You may not rewrite or modify the user interface or otherwise manipulate data in any way to acquire items, currency, objects, character attributes or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved in the Game.
Here, Only the silent survive.
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sutty
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Posted - 2004.09.29 07:15:00 -
[157]
wonder what KIA- Pie man said below.
"ok let me begin"
Could of been a rant or a explination of how to do it.
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sutty
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Posted - 2004.09.29 07:15:00 -
[158]
wonder what KIA- Pie man said below.
"ok let me begin"
Could of been a rant or a explination of how to do it.
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Directive
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Posted - 2004.09.29 07:22:00 -
[159]
Edited by: Directive on 29/09/2004 07:24:34
Originally by: Negotiator
i'd rather CCP publicly stated how its done, so everyone who wanted this could use it. ofcourse, it would void your technical support priveleges until you reverted to the default client version.
Now that would only be bad business. Not to mention what that could imply.
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Directive
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Posted - 2004.09.29 07:22:00 -
[160]
Edited by: Directive on 29/09/2004 07:24:34
Originally by: Negotiator
i'd rather CCP publicly stated how its done, so everyone who wanted this could use it. ofcourse, it would void your technical support priveleges until you reverted to the default client version.
Now that would only be bad business. Not to mention what that could imply.
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sutty
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Posted - 2004.09.29 07:29:00 -
[161]
Well, I used to play RTCW and it was widely accepted that you could modify the client -
You could Turn down the detail really low
Brighten up the map
Stop your screen from bobing side to side as you run
Turn down the detail to low also got rid of some things like leafs on trees etc.
But this was widely accepted by the community. In eve it isn't.
Wonder how many members of the PA are using this ? ? ?
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sutty
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Posted - 2004.09.29 07:29:00 -
[162]
Well, I used to play RTCW and it was widely accepted that you could modify the client -
You could Turn down the detail really low
Brighten up the map
Stop your screen from bobing side to side as you run
Turn down the detail to low also got rid of some things like leafs on trees etc.
But this was widely accepted by the community. In eve it isn't.
Wonder how many members of the PA are using this ? ? ?
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Dr Jekill
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Posted - 2004.09.29 07:42:00 -
[163]
Originally by: Admiral IceBlock
i dont see this as a exploit.
Vera Lynn
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Born in London in 1917 became one of the most famous voices of World War II Vera's most popular song was "We'll Meet Again" |
Dr Jekill
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Posted - 2004.09.29 07:42:00 -
[164]
Originally by: Admiral IceBlock
i dont see this as a exploit.
Vera Lynn
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Born in London in 1917 became one of the most famous voices of World War II Vera's most popular song was "We'll Meet Again" |
UndergrounD
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Posted - 2004.09.29 08:08:00 -
[165]
Edited by: UndergrounD on 29/09/2004 08:12:19
* Removed, was just a flame anyway
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UndergrounD
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Posted - 2004.09.29 08:08:00 -
[166]
Edited by: UndergrounD on 29/09/2004 08:12:19
* Removed, was just a flame anyway
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Sun Ra
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Posted - 2004.09.29 08:14:00 -
[167]
Originally by: sutty
Well, I used to play RTCW and it was widely accepted that you could modify the client -
You could Turn down the detail really low
Brighten up the map
Stop your screen from bobing side to side as you run
Turn down the detail to low also got rid of some things like leafs on trees etc.
But this was widely accepted by the community. In eve it isn't.
Wonder how many members of the PA are using this ? ? ?
Hahah thats nothing tho sutty, pretty much minimum most fps let u do, q3 let u do far more stuff than that, qw u could only change player skins, and if you look at the q2 shots i posted you can see how far your allowed to modify the client and still be acceptable, bright player/weapon skins, .wav timers (weapons back in 10 seconds, quad back in 3 second etc, loud footsteps, smaller explotion model, wav's that tell you the players health when you shot them all sorts. 90% of q2 stuff are cheats in qw(1) and q3. Half life DM allowed a far few changes too(its based on the quake engine) Im sure the KIA boys know all about that, but none of these changes are allowed in HL mods like cs or dod
What it comes down to is whats seen as acceptable for that games community, sometimes devs of these games dont cater for 'hardcore players' so the community makes the rules.
MMORPG are different tho.
In fps the devs releases the game then throws out a few patches and thats it, most games you have to play on private servers. With eve we pay ccp to play on their servers and so what ccp says goes, you can't bring a FPS mentality to eve, ccp says what goes not the community all we can do is ask what features can be changed by them for our benefit.
Im kinda surprised to see PA post on their forums on how to do it, you may say 'its to show others it can be done' but you are also showing people who will use this everyday ingame now. stupid real stupid. The wording of the post seems to imply this is something for general use by PA members, now when we fight PA will be wondering are they using hacks
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Sun Ra
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Posted - 2004.09.29 08:14:00 -
[168]
Originally by: sutty
Well, I used to play RTCW and it was widely accepted that you could modify the client -
You could Turn down the detail really low
Brighten up the map
Stop your screen from bobing side to side as you run
Turn down the detail to low also got rid of some things like leafs on trees etc.
But this was widely accepted by the community. In eve it isn't.
Wonder how many members of the PA are using this ? ? ?
Hahah thats nothing tho sutty, pretty much minimum most fps let u do, q3 let u do far more stuff than that, qw u could only change player skins, and if you look at the q2 shots i posted you can see how far your allowed to modify the client and still be acceptable, bright player/weapon skins, .wav timers (weapons back in 10 seconds, quad back in 3 second etc, loud footsteps, smaller explotion model, wav's that tell you the players health when you shot them all sorts. 90% of q2 stuff are cheats in qw(1) and q3. Half life DM allowed a far few changes too(its based on the quake engine) Im sure the KIA boys know all about that, but none of these changes are allowed in HL mods like cs or dod
What it comes down to is whats seen as acceptable for that games community, sometimes devs of these games dont cater for 'hardcore players' so the community makes the rules.
MMORPG are different tho.
In fps the devs releases the game then throws out a few patches and thats it, most games you have to play on private servers. With eve we pay ccp to play on their servers and so what ccp says goes, you can't bring a FPS mentality to eve, ccp says what goes not the community all we can do is ask what features can be changed by them for our benefit.
Im kinda surprised to see PA post on their forums on how to do it, you may say 'its to show others it can be done' but you are also showing people who will use this everyday ingame now. stupid real stupid. The wording of the post seems to imply this is something for general use by PA members, now when we fight PA will be wondering are they using hacks
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KIAEddZ
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Posted - 2004.09.29 08:20:00 -
[169]
/sigh
Guys I posted this on the main forum, because it REALLY wasn't aimed at Evol/Moo etc, although the rumours that some of you guys were using it, did play a part in my decision to try and lobby for this hack to be put to bed.
That said, it is the post in the PA chat that triggered me to post here, I am disgusted that anyone should use this, if you read down that thread you have linked, virtually all people are in condemnation of his actions.
I dont care if people in the PA are caught doing it, I dont care if people in ANY allinace are caught doing it. I just want those that are doing it to get banned, full stop.
R-K are clean, my guys know my feelings on cheating, and this isn't the first community I have been involved in where cheating has become a large issue, and I have fought to stamp it out.
THIS isn't a PA vs BoB thread, this is a honest player vs cheater thread.
CCP need to ammounce the punishment for using these hacks NOW, and need to find a way of catching those that are asap, and ban anyone that is.
As for the PA vs BoB smack, I'll leave that for another thread.
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=176347
www.kia-corp.co.uk/killboard
CEO of KIA Corp - Been doing it for the Laydeez since 1993, now we i |
KIAEddZ
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Posted - 2004.09.29 08:20:00 -
[170]
/sigh
Guys I posted this on the main forum, because it REALLY wasn't aimed at Evol/Moo etc, although the rumours that some of you guys were using it, did play a part in my decision to try and lobby for this hack to be put to bed.
That said, it is the post in the PA chat that triggered me to post here, I am disgusted that anyone should use this, if you read down that thread you have linked, virtually all people are in condemnation of his actions.
I dont care if people in the PA are caught doing it, I dont care if people in ANY allinace are caught doing it. I just want those that are doing it to get banned, full stop.
R-K are clean, my guys know my feelings on cheating, and this isn't the first community I have been involved in where cheating has become a large issue, and I have fought to stamp it out.
THIS isn't a PA vs BoB thread, this is a honest player vs cheater thread.
CCP need to ammounce the punishment for using these hacks NOW, and need to find a way of catching those that are asap, and ban anyone that is.
As for the PA vs BoB smack, I'll leave that for another thread.
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=176347
www.kia-corp.co.uk/killboard
CEO of KIA Corp - Been doing it for the Laydeez since 1993, now we i |
Sun Ra
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Posted - 2004.09.29 08:25:00 -
[171]
OK but the fact is you have a thread on the PA forums detailing how to hack the game and that is wrong my friend, not everyone is honest, someone will use what they learnt there and use it, a PA admin should have deleted that thread....
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Sun Ra
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Posted - 2004.09.29 08:25:00 -
[172]
OK but the fact is you have a thread on the PA forums detailing how to hack the game and that is wrong my friend, not everyone is honest, someone will use what they learnt there and use it, a PA admin should have deleted that thread....
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Selim
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Posted - 2004.09.29 08:33:00 -
[173]
I seriously think it needs to be made into an option. I'd love to turn off the models, except when activate 'look at'. But I dont do things that go against the EULA, nor do I know jack **** about programming and computers and stuff.
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Selim
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Posted - 2004.09.29 08:33:00 -
[174]
I seriously think it needs to be made into an option. I'd love to turn off the models, except when activate 'look at'. But I dont do things that go against the EULA, nor do I know jack **** about programming and computers and stuff.
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Sun Ra
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Posted - 2004.09.29 08:34:00 -
[175]
Originally by: Selim
I seriously think it needs to be made into an option. I'd love to turn off the models, except when activate 'look at'. But I dont do things that go against the EULA, nor do I know jack **** about programming and computers and stuff.
Well if they lod'd player ships like the do npc then their would be no need to remove them totally
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Sun Ra
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Posted - 2004.09.29 08:34:00 -
[176]
Originally by: Selim
I seriously think it needs to be made into an option. I'd love to turn off the models, except when activate 'look at'. But I dont do things that go against the EULA, nor do I know jack **** about programming and computers and stuff.
Well if they lod'd player ships like the do npc then their would be no need to remove them totally
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Grimster
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Posted - 2004.09.29 08:55:00 -
[177]
Just seen this...
pwned
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Grimster
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Posted - 2004.09.29 08:55:00 -
[178]
Just seen this...
pwned
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Luc Boye
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Posted - 2004.09.29 09:20:00 -
[179]
You know, what sucks is that it makes you wonder now... like in that battle yesterday, I totally lagged out, I used to think "oh well, sometimes you lag out in fleet battle, **** happens" or "well, it WAS server update day" and just carry on, but now Im thinking as well if there was some bastard using it.
Seriously, before I read this post, I used think that PA are bunch of paranoid nubs accusing people of hacking, I didn't really thought that ANYBODY is cheating in eve. But after that post, man, that stinks.
Perhaps it is so that your guys don't use it, Eddz, but how do we know now, you get my point? What about the rest of PA, like GODS? We all know what are feelings towards some more prominent people in GODS are, we are free to add attribute "cheater" to them as well?
--
2004.12.29 23:33:40combatMining Pollution Cloud hits you, doing 140.0 damage. |
Luc Boye
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Posted - 2004.09.29 09:20:00 -
[180]
You know, what sucks is that it makes you wonder now... like in that battle yesterday, I totally lagged out, I used to think "oh well, sometimes you lag out in fleet battle, **** happens" or "well, it WAS server update day" and just carry on, but now Im thinking as well if there was some bastard using it.
Seriously, before I read this post, I used think that PA are bunch of paranoid nubs accusing people of hacking, I didn't really thought that ANYBODY is cheating in eve. But after that post, man, that stinks.
Perhaps it is so that your guys don't use it, Eddz, but how do we know now, you get my point? What about the rest of PA, like GODS? We all know what are feelings towards some more prominent people in GODS are, we are free to add attribute "cheater" to them as well?
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2004.12.29 23:33:40combatMining Pollution Cloud hits you, doing 140.0 damage. |
Ribbo
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Posted - 2004.09.29 09:25:00 -
[181]
Originally by: SirMolle
So, tell me again HOW you know for certain this is being used?
Oh, and please this link for reference and then answer.
I have nothing else to say.
what a nice flamebait thread and a clever turn, however how about posting the rest of piemans quote? I for one will be intrested to see what he says?
whether it be
"ok, let me begin :
this is everybit of information needed to perform this cheat ever" (followed by the rest of PA jumping in with oh yes i use this hax all the time)
or
"ok, let me begin :
cheaters are bad m'kay, i condone cheaters"
if you've got a mole in the forums, please can you let us see more of this thread? and not just the bit that supports your arguement. for all we know it could just be eddz and the rest of PA condoning this hack.
infact go one step further, BobbyWilson, put this thread in the www.newvenal.org Public section.
Regards
Ribbo
www.balec.cc
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Ribbo
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Posted - 2004.09.29 09:25:00 -
[182]
Originally by: SirMolle
So, tell me again HOW you know for certain this is being used?
Oh, and please this link for reference and then answer.
I have nothing else to say.
what a nice flamebait thread and a clever turn, however how about posting the rest of piemans quote? I for one will be intrested to see what he says?
whether it be
"ok, let me begin :
this is everybit of information needed to perform this cheat ever" (followed by the rest of PA jumping in with oh yes i use this hax all the time)
or
"ok, let me begin :
cheaters are bad m'kay, i condone cheaters"
if you've got a mole in the forums, please can you let us see more of this thread? and not just the bit that supports your arguement. for all we know it could just be eddz and the rest of PA condoning this hack.
infact go one step further, BobbyWilson, put this thread in the www.newvenal.org Public section.
Regards
Ribbo
www.balec.cc
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Raem Civrie
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Posted - 2004.09.29 09:28:00 -
[183]
Far from it that I would defend Phoenix... but...
Molle, you knew most of PA was agains the hack. You had access to their forums. And yet you take it out of relative context and portray it such that it paints a really black picture of the PA. This is political warfare at it's worst. Smart, maybe. But incredibly dishonest. Incredibly... you.
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Raem Civrie
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Posted - 2004.09.29 09:28:00 -
[184]
Far from it that I would defend Phoenix... but...
Molle, you knew most of PA was agains the hack. You had access to their forums. And yet you take it out of relative context and portray it such that it paints a really black picture of the PA. This is political warfare at it's worst. Smart, maybe. But incredibly dishonest. Incredibly... you.
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KIAEddZ
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Posted - 2004.09.29 09:34:00 -
[185]
Originally by: Luc Boye
Perhaps it is so that your guys don't use it, Eddz, but how do we know now, you get my point? What about the rest of PA, like GODS? We all know what are feelings towards some more prominent people in GODS are, we are free to add attribute "cheater" to them as well?
Luc.
forgetting our in game "war".
The PA as a whole, condemned the use of the hack. There is a lot of paranoia in the PA, fuelled by some very specific events. I honestly think this has lead some people to think they must cheat to get back on an even keel.
This is the problem with cheating, just as how you now will consider every jump into battle, where you personally get killed before load up, wether or not your foes were cheating, I am guessing this is how some members of the PA have felt for a while. So what do you do about it? Do you cheat to make it even, or do you lobby hard for this hack to be taken out of the game.
KIA, were a very succesful Half Life Dm clan, no.2 in the world for a very long time. I ran the HLDM community for a good couple of years, and during that time, fought an increasingly tough battle agianst cheaters.
I kicked members of my own team on 2 occasions because i suspected them of cheating, but I can honestly say, that the core group of friends, that made up the basis of KIA, were steadfast anti cheat players.
I WILL KICK ANYONE from R-K that uses this cheat, I dont care if every Moo and Evol guy turns up to a battle with it hacked, 2 wrongs make nothing but ill feeling and mistrsut.
CCP MUST deal with this problem NOW.
Those that have chosen not to cheat, must know they are doing it for a reason.
All the above said, I hope CCP consider adding this as a key press option, so going into fleet battles, would be virtually lagless for all involved. Although without the beauty of the ships etc, normal skirmishes and everyday fun fun, would be very boring indeed.
KIAPiemans post, quotes the Uela and how it is illegal to use this hack, he does also say that currently CCP cant stop people, but thinks that soon they will release a way of catching people.
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=176347
www.kia-corp.co.uk/killboard
CEO of KIA Corp - Been doing it for the Laydeez since 1993, now we i |
KIAEddZ
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Posted - 2004.09.29 09:34:00 -
[186]
Originally by: Luc Boye
Perhaps it is so that your guys don't use it, Eddz, but how do we know now, you get my point? What about the rest of PA, like GODS? We all know what are feelings towards some more prominent people in GODS are, we are free to add attribute "cheater" to them as well?
Luc.
forgetting our in game "war".
The PA as a whole, condemned the use of the hack. There is a lot of paranoia in the PA, fuelled by some very specific events. I honestly think this has lead some people to think they must cheat to get back on an even keel.
This is the problem with cheating, just as how you now will consider every jump into battle, where you personally get killed before load up, wether or not your foes were cheating, I am guessing this is how some members of the PA have felt for a while. So what do you do about it? Do you cheat to make it even, or do you lobby hard for this hack to be taken out of the game.
KIA, were a very succesful Half Life Dm clan, no.2 in the world for a very long time. I ran the HLDM community for a good couple of years, and during that time, fought an increasingly tough battle agianst cheaters.
I kicked members of my own team on 2 occasions because i suspected them of cheating, but I can honestly say, that the core group of friends, that made up the basis of KIA, were steadfast anti cheat players.
I WILL KICK ANYONE from R-K that uses this cheat, I dont care if every Moo and Evol guy turns up to a battle with it hacked, 2 wrongs make nothing but ill feeling and mistrsut.
CCP MUST deal with this problem NOW.
Those that have chosen not to cheat, must know they are doing it for a reason.
All the above said, I hope CCP consider adding this as a key press option, so going into fleet battles, would be virtually lagless for all involved. Although without the beauty of the ships etc, normal skirmishes and everyday fun fun, would be very boring indeed.
KIAPiemans post, quotes the Uela and how it is illegal to use this hack, he does also say that currently CCP cant stop people, but thinks that soon they will release a way of catching people.
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=176347
www.kia-corp.co.uk/killboard
CEO of KIA Corp - Been doing it for the Laydeez since 1993, now we i |
Rodney Munch
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Posted - 2004.09.29 09:38:00 -
[187]
Stop trying to dig yourselves outa a hole PA.
Your members are discussing how to perform such a cheat, wanna take action?
Petition their sorry arse.
That or kick them from the alliance.
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Rodney Munch
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Posted - 2004.09.29 09:38:00 -
[188]
Stop trying to dig yourselves outa a hole PA.
Your members are discussing how to perform such a cheat, wanna take action?
Petition their sorry arse.
That or kick them from the alliance.
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Luc Boye
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Posted - 2004.09.29 09:40:00 -
[189]
Originally by: Raem Civrie
Far from it that I would defend Phoenix... but...
Molle, you knew most of PA was agains the hack. You had access to their forums. And yet you take it out of relative context and portray it such that it paints a really black picture of the PA. This is political warfare at it's worst. Smart, maybe. But incredibly dishonest. Incredibly... you.
Yeah, perhaps, but PA did accuse us of hacking on numerous occasions, and posted here, while keeping the details hidden within alliance, for what purpose? Maybe to keep knowledge about it within PA so that people can use it or not on their own concience? So are we saying that not ALL of PA is cheating but the rotten few? You said it yourself " most of the PA". What about the rest?
All that while happily accusing others at any opportunity concievable. Like yesterday, gank squad moves down from BKG to 6NJ. When it leaves PA has people in local in BKG who can see them leaving and know about the numbers. on the way KIAEddz gets ganked. The first thing he says in local when back in 6NJ was that it was a log on exploit. It is our fault he can't read the map well? Noooo but we would use something like exploits right, we must be, we can't possibly be killing PA without some artificial aid, PA are so cool & uber, right.
All that while having a frigging discussion thread on their own forums that goes in detail what files to edit and how to do it. Doesn't that make PA at least a damn bunch of hypocrits?
And you are saying that Molle is bad person, why?
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2004.12.29 23:33:40combatMining Pollution Cloud hits you, doing 140.0 damage. |
Luc Boye
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Posted - 2004.09.29 09:40:00 -
[190]
Originally by: Raem Civrie
Far from it that I would defend Phoenix... but...
Molle, you knew most of PA was agains the hack. You had access to their forums. And yet you take it out of relative context and portray it such that it paints a really black picture of the PA. This is political warfare at it's worst. Smart, maybe. But incredibly dishonest. Incredibly... you.
Yeah, perhaps, but PA did accuse us of hacking on numerous occasions, and posted here, while keeping the details hidden within alliance, for what purpose? Maybe to keep knowledge about it within PA so that people can use it or not on their own concience? So are we saying that not ALL of PA is cheating but the rotten few? You said it yourself " most of the PA". What about the rest?
All that while happily accusing others at any opportunity concievable. Like yesterday, gank squad moves down from BKG to 6NJ. When it leaves PA has people in local in BKG who can see them leaving and know about the numbers. on the way KIAEddz gets ganked. The first thing he says in local when back in 6NJ was that it was a log on exploit. It is our fault he can't read the map well? Noooo but we would use something like exploits right, we must be, we can't possibly be killing PA without some artificial aid, PA are so cool & uber, right.
All that while having a frigging discussion thread on their own forums that goes in detail what files to edit and how to do it. Doesn't that make PA at least a damn bunch of hypocrits?
And you are saying that Molle is bad person, why?
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2004.12.29 23:33:40combatMining Pollution Cloud hits you, doing 140.0 damage. |
Luc Boye
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Posted - 2004.09.29 09:48:00 -
[191]
Originally by: KIAEddZ
This is the problem with cheating, just as how you now will consider every jump into battle, where you personally get killed before load up, wether or not your foes were cheating, I am guessing this is how some members of the PA have felt for a while. So what do you do about it? Do you cheat to make it even, or do you lobby hard for this hack to be taken out of the game.
Well Eddz, I know personally how I deal with it. Wheather cheating is possible or not, I don't use it, and I don't surround myself with those that do, knowingly.
This is my first MMORPG, I did play FPS on top level, Rogue Spear and Americas Army specifically. in RS I was in clans that held top 10, took #3 on world cup, etc etc. In americas army, we held euro #1 for months in TdC, so yes, I know about cheating, why it is done, and I had my moral qualms about it long ago, so I am disgusted.
What I would like to see is perm-ban of all people using it. And at the same time, I want whatever benefit was gained from using it, implemented into game in controlled manner. It is not something that gives you target lock in 1 second, or wrecking shots all the time, or whatever, if it reduces lag, perhaps devs should take notice and implement similar option.
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2004.12.29 23:33:40combatMining Pollution Cloud hits you, doing 140.0 damage. |
Luc Boye
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Posted - 2004.09.29 09:48:00 -
[192]
Originally by: KIAEddZ
This is the problem with cheating, just as how you now will consider every jump into battle, where you personally get killed before load up, wether or not your foes were cheating, I am guessing this is how some members of the PA have felt for a while. So what do you do about it? Do you cheat to make it even, or do you lobby hard for this hack to be taken out of the game.
Well Eddz, I know personally how I deal with it. Wheather cheating is possible or not, I don't use it, and I don't surround myself with those that do, knowingly.
This is my first MMORPG, I did play FPS on top level, Rogue Spear and Americas Army specifically. in RS I was in clans that held top 10, took #3 on world cup, etc etc. In americas army, we held euro #1 for months in TdC, so yes, I know about cheating, why it is done, and I had my moral qualms about it long ago, so I am disgusted.
What I would like to see is perm-ban of all people using it. And at the same time, I want whatever benefit was gained from using it, implemented into game in controlled manner. It is not something that gives you target lock in 1 second, or wrecking shots all the time, or whatever, if it reduces lag, perhaps devs should take notice and implement similar option.
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2004.12.29 23:33:40combatMining Pollution Cloud hits you, doing 140.0 damage. |
Iratus Caelestis
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Posted - 2004.09.29 09:50:00 -
[193]
Edited by: Iratus Caelestis on 29/09/2004 09:52:26
Forget the politics. Forget the accusations that seemed to have been conjured from free air and ffs agree on something and stop trying to twist everything.
We all think CCP need to do something about the lag as it is stupidly bad on Occasion.
However, for the most part we seem to agree that they they need to get rid of this exploit just as much. Just sign and leave it be.
Is it really fricking worth it.
Christ.
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Iratus Caelestis
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Posted - 2004.09.29 09:50:00 -
[194]
Edited by: Iratus Caelestis on 29/09/2004 09:52:26
Forget the politics. Forget the accusations that seemed to have been conjured from free air and ffs agree on something and stop trying to twist everything.
We all think CCP need to do something about the lag as it is stupidly bad on Occasion.
However, for the most part we seem to agree that they they need to get rid of this exploit just as much. Just sign and leave it be.
Is it really fricking worth it.
Christ.
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Rodney Munch
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Posted - 2004.09.29 09:59:00 -
[195]
Edited by: Rodney Munch on 29/09/2004 10:01:07
If you wanted to forget the politics you wouldnt have posted on here.
Initially it was seen as a stab at the BoB crew(as thats the only folks who your fighting), I mean why post something that your own alliance is doing? Thats just asking for trouble, which is why we thought it was initially posted against us.
You wouldnt believe the amount of cheat accusations we've had, even Eddz himself does it, "they came outa nowhere, we got owned, logon trap" was his exact words when he got killed. No eddz you just cant read a map, you nub.
But if you wanted this sorted, you would have just petitioned those members you know who are doing it within the alliance if your so rightous, as you claim to be.
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Rodney Munch
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Posted - 2004.09.29 09:59:00 -
[196]
Edited by: Rodney Munch on 29/09/2004 10:01:07
If you wanted to forget the politics you wouldnt have posted on here.
Initially it was seen as a stab at the BoB crew(as thats the only folks who your fighting), I mean why post something that your own alliance is doing? Thats just asking for trouble, which is why we thought it was initially posted against us.
You wouldnt believe the amount of cheat accusations we've had, even Eddz himself does it, "they came outa nowhere, we got owned, logon trap" was his exact words when he got killed. No eddz you just cant read a map, you nub.
But if you wanted this sorted, you would have just petitioned those members you know who are doing it within the alliance if your so rightous, as you claim to be.
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KIAHicks
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Posted - 2004.09.29 10:35:00 -
[197]
Originally by: Sun Ra
OK but the fact is you have a thread on the PA forums detailing how to hack the game and that is wrong my friend, not everyone is honest, someone will use what they learnt there and use it, a PA admin should have deleted that thread....
Incorrect, we have a thread asking if it can be done, and a whole **** load of replies saying how it violates the EULA and should be considered as cheating. Then it goes on to a discussion about what checks we hope ccp will include and whether they will be enough to stop the cheating.
Why delete a thread like that? Why not leave it for others to find and be able to see the general consensus of eve players is that hacking the client is a no no, and anyone who does it knowing its a no no should be banned?
If they're is a section that gives instructions on how to do it, then I will delete it myself, but I have yet to see that post in the thread.
Also if we had deleted the thread, you think that would have made any difference to those who want to use as properganda in the pa vs bob war? I personally think it would have made things worse with claims that we're trying to cover up a thread.
The issue of cheaters should not be an alliance vs alliance issue, its a player issue, compleatly seperate from the rp aspect of this game. We should all be on the same side when it comes to that. Can we try not to turn every discussion into a pa vs the world kinda thread?
Keenon: "After sitting in the system for FIVE hours without even a (go away)"...
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KIAHicks
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Posted - 2004.09.29 10:35:00 -
[198]
Originally by: Sun Ra
OK but the fact is you have a thread on the PA forums detailing how to hack the game and that is wrong my friend, not everyone is honest, someone will use what they learnt there and use it, a PA admin should have deleted that thread....
Incorrect, we have a thread asking if it can be done, and a whole **** load of replies saying how it violates the EULA and should be considered as cheating. Then it goes on to a discussion about what checks we hope ccp will include and whether they will be enough to stop the cheating.
Why delete a thread like that? Why not leave it for others to find and be able to see the general consensus of eve players is that hacking the client is a no no, and anyone who does it knowing its a no no should be banned?
If they're is a section that gives instructions on how to do it, then I will delete it myself, but I have yet to see that post in the thread.
Also if we had deleted the thread, you think that would have made any difference to those who want to use as properganda in the pa vs bob war? I personally think it would have made things worse with claims that we're trying to cover up a thread.
The issue of cheaters should not be an alliance vs alliance issue, its a player issue, compleatly seperate from the rp aspect of this game. We should all be on the same side when it comes to that. Can we try not to turn every discussion into a pa vs the world kinda thread?
Keenon: "After sitting in the system for FIVE hours without even a (go away)"...
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2004.09.29 10:38:00 -
[199]
While I read KIAEddz post as a true attempt at having action taken by ccp to remove exploits like this, and I agree with that totally, I find it very strange that a open discussion of this exploit on your internal boards was even for a second expected to be acceptable.
Wether or not more people are trying it does not matter to me, the fact that your alliance seems to have grown a culture in which openly discussing the techniques of how to use exploits can even be thought to be acceptable is worrying me.
To even consider asking such things in public means something is wrong.
I mean, smoke  fire.
One person admitting it on a board, where he should have expected nothing but an immediate termination of his alliance membership, let alone being petitioned.
One person admitting it publicly means how many using it secretly ?
I'm not aiming for PA specifically, because I already know more people use exploits. Even if I don't know specific names or incidents, I do know that in any community of this size there will be those that can't accept not being on top all the time, and some of those will use methods that are not acceptable to try and gain the upper hand everywhere they go.
Personally, and I think this goes for everyone in my corporation, I strongly condemn ANY use of exploits or out of game advantages. Ever since I was confronted with a corp member of a former corp buying his startup isk on ebay I've told myself that a very strict way is the only way.
CCP should indeed be much more active in pursuing the use of macros and exploits. And I wish PA luck in eradicating this behaviour from their alliance culture.
_______________________________________________
Yes yes, blogging is passÚ I know.
Rod's Ramblingz on Eve-Online
Solutions to your issues. |
Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2004.09.29 10:38:00 -
[200]
While I read KIAEddz post as a true attempt at having action taken by ccp to remove exploits like this, and I agree with that totally, I find it very strange that a open discussion of this exploit on your internal boards was even for a second expected to be acceptable.
Wether or not more people are trying it does not matter to me, the fact that your alliance seems to have grown a culture in which openly discussing the techniques of how to use exploits can even be thought to be acceptable is worrying me.
To even consider asking such things in public means something is wrong.
I mean, smoke fire.
One person admitting it on a board, where he should have expected nothing but an immediate termination of his alliance membership, let alone being petitioned.
One person admitting it publicly means how many using it secretly ?
I'm not aiming for PA specifically, because I already know more people use exploits. Even if I don't know specific names or incidents, I do know that in any community of this size there will be those that can't accept not being on top all the time, and some of those will use methods that are not acceptable to try and gain the upper hand everywhere they go.
Personally, and I think this goes for everyone in my corporation, I strongly condemn ANY use of exploits or out of game advantages. Ever since I was confronted with a corp member of a former corp buying his startup isk on ebay I've told myself that a very strict way is the only way.
CCP should indeed be much more active in pursuing the use of macros and exploits. And I wish PA luck in eradicating this behaviour from their alliance culture.
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Yes yes, blogging is passÚ I know.
Rod's Ramblingz on Eve-Online
Solutions to your issues. |
KIAHicks
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Posted - 2004.09.29 10:53:00 -
[201]
Edited by: KIAHicks on 29/09/2004 10:55:09
Originally by: Rodney Munch
If you wanted to forget the politics you wouldnt have posted on here.
If it was posted in the corp forums then maybe it would have been a stab at you, but it was posted in forums where politics have no place, in the hopes of keeping it politic free.
Quote:
Initially it was seen as a stab at the BoB crew(as thats the only folks who your fighting), I mean why post something that your own alliance is doing? Thats just asking for trouble, which is why we thought it was initially posted against us.
Why does one post on a forum enquiring about how to do it, equate to the entire alliance using it? Lets keep things in context.
Quote:
You wouldnt believe the amount of cheat accusations we've had, even Eddz himself does it, "they came outa nowhere, we got owned, logon trap" was his exact words when he got killed. No eddz you just cant read a map, you nub.
Logon trap isn't an exploit as has been stated many times by the devs. So I wouldn't call that a cheat accusation.
Quote:
But if you wanted this sorted, you would have just petitioned those members you know who are doing it within the alliance if your so rightous, as you claim to be.
We don't know people are doing it, that's because there is no way to know at the moment. Petitioning would do no good because ccp have no way to prove it either, and until they do they cannot ban someone for it. Imagine if they did, everyone would petetion everyone else they didn't like in the game.
as for that thread, it shouldn't even be an issue, I have in game screenshots of a "BoB" member talking about using it.. did I post those? No, because I have no proof that they did. They could say anything, but it doesn't make it true.
Keenon: "After sitting in the system for FIVE hours without even a (go away)"...
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KIAHicks
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Posted - 2004.09.29 10:53:00 -
[202]
Edited by: KIAHicks on 29/09/2004 10:55:09
Originally by: Rodney Munch
If you wanted to forget the politics you wouldnt have posted on here.
If it was posted in the corp forums then maybe it would have been a stab at you, but it was posted in forums where politics have no place, in the hopes of keeping it politic free.
Quote:
Initially it was seen as a stab at the BoB crew(as thats the only folks who your fighting), I mean why post something that your own alliance is doing? Thats just asking for trouble, which is why we thought it was initially posted against us.
Why does one post on a forum enquiring about how to do it, equate to the entire alliance using it? Lets keep things in context.
Quote:
You wouldnt believe the amount of cheat accusations we've had, even Eddz himself does it, "they came outa nowhere, we got owned, logon trap" was his exact words when he got killed. No eddz you just cant read a map, you nub.
Logon trap isn't an exploit as has been stated many times by the devs. So I wouldn't call that a cheat accusation.
Quote:
But if you wanted this sorted, you would have just petitioned those members you know who are doing it within the alliance if your so rightous, as you claim to be.
We don't know people are doing it, that's because there is no way to know at the moment. Petitioning would do no good because ccp have no way to prove it either, and until they do they cannot ban someone for it. Imagine if they did, everyone would petetion everyone else they didn't like in the game.
as for that thread, it shouldn't even be an issue, I have in game screenshots of a "BoB" member talking about using it.. did I post those? No, because I have no proof that they did. They could say anything, but it doesn't make it true.
Keenon: "After sitting in the system for FIVE hours without even a (go away)"...
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Kretin Arnon
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Posted - 2004.09.29 10:53:00 -
[203]
Propaganda...
That's a friggin cheater posting there. And here I was starting to fell sorry for the PA being getting all this slag.
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Kretin Arnon
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Posted - 2004.09.29 10:53:00 -
[204]
Propaganda...
That's a friggin cheater posting there. And here I was starting to fell sorry for the PA being getting all this slag.
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2004.09.29 11:02:00 -
[205]
Calm down, people.
People that use haxploits should be banned/warned, and their alliance/corpmates kinda have a moral obligation to turn them in, and tell CCP how he did it. This way, the individual in question will be removed from the game, and CCP can think about counter-acting the hack or whatever.
Now, let's be gentlemen and not accuse one another anymore, m'kay?
[Heterocephalus glaber]
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2004.09.29 11:02:00 -
[206]
Calm down, people.
People that use haxploits should be banned/warned, and their alliance/corpmates kinda have a moral obligation to turn them in, and tell CCP how he did it. This way, the individual in question will be removed from the game, and CCP can think about counter-acting the hack or whatever.
Now, let's be gentlemen and not accuse one another anymore, m'kay?
[Heterocephalus glaber]
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Sun Ra
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Posted - 2004.09.29 11:03:00 -
[207]
Originally by: KIAHicks
Originally by: Sun Ra
OK but the fact is you have a thread on the PA forums detailing how to hack the game and that is wrong my friend, not everyone is honest, someone will use what they learnt there and use it, a PA admin should have deleted that thread....
Incorrect, we have a thread asking if it can be done, and a whole **** load of replies saying how it violates the EULA and should be considered as cheating. Then it goes on to a discussion about what checks we hope ccp will include and whether they will be enough to stop the cheating.
I said delete because it EXPLAINS how to cheat and you can bet that theres a few PA pilot flying around with model removed which they learnt how to do from that post.
I see your point about deleting the whole thread but it should at least be censored
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Sun Ra
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Posted - 2004.09.29 11:03:00 -
[208]
Originally by: KIAHicks
Originally by: Sun Ra
OK but the fact is you have a thread on the PA forums detailing how to hack the game and that is wrong my friend, not everyone is honest, someone will use what they learnt there and use it, a PA admin should have deleted that thread....
Incorrect, we have a thread asking if it can be done, and a whole **** load of replies saying how it violates the EULA and should be considered as cheating. Then it goes on to a discussion about what checks we hope ccp will include and whether they will be enough to stop the cheating.
I said delete because it EXPLAINS how to cheat and you can bet that theres a few PA pilot flying around with model removed which they learnt how to do from that post.
I see your point about deleting the whole thread but it should at least be censored
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Donna Summer
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Posted - 2004.09.29 13:27:00 -
[209]
Tut tut naughty PA
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Donna Summer
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Posted - 2004.09.29 13:27:00 -
[210]
Tut tut naughty PA
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ProphetGuru
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Posted - 2004.09.29 13:46:00 -
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Originally by: KIAEddZ
That said, it is the post in the PA chat that triggered me to post here,
looks at date on pa thread screenie.
looks at date you started this cya thread.
Dude, you aren't even a good liar ffs.
Evolution..... Just when you thought you were winning.
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ProphetGuru
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Posted - 2004.09.29 13:46:00 -
[212]
Originally by: KIAEddZ
That said, it is the post in the PA chat that triggered me to post here,
looks at date on pa thread screenie.
looks at date you started this cya thread.
Dude, you aren't even a good liar ffs.
Evolution..... Just when you thought you were winning.
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Shalmaneser ili
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Posted - 2004.09.29 13:59:00 -
[213]
I see Diee is still in PA....you sure are really strict about cheaters in the PA
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Shalmaneser ili
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Posted - 2004.09.29 13:59:00 -
[214]
I see Diee is still in PA....you sure are really strict about cheaters in the PA
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KIAHicks
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Posted - 2004.09.29 14:05:00 -
[215]
Originally by: ProphetGuru
Originally by: KIAEddZ
That said, it is the post in the PA chat that triggered me to post here,
looks at date on pa thread screenie.
looks at date you started this cya thread.
Dude, you aren't even a good liar ffs.
PA Thread Posted: Sat Sep 25, 2004 9:44 pm
Eve-o thread posted: Tue 2004.09.28 13:08:00
So your point is what exactly? Also what has eddz supposidly lied about? I don't understand why people are flaming this, rather than agreeing that we all want the problem resolved
As for all the "tut tut" post, cheers for adding value to the discussion :)
Keenon: "After sitting in the system for FIVE hours without even a (go away)"...
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KIAHicks
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Posted - 2004.09.29 14:05:00 -
[216]
Originally by: ProphetGuru
Originally by: KIAEddZ
That said, it is the post in the PA chat that triggered me to post here,
looks at date on pa thread screenie.
looks at date you started this cya thread.
Dude, you aren't even a good liar ffs.
PA Thread Posted: Sat Sep 25, 2004 9:44 pm
Eve-o thread posted: Tue 2004.09.28 13:08:00
So your point is what exactly? Also what has eddz supposidly lied about? I don't understand why people are flaming this, rather than agreeing that we all want the problem resolved
As for all the "tut tut" post, cheers for adding value to the discussion :)
Keenon: "After sitting in the system for FIVE hours without even a (go away)"...
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ProphetGuru
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Posted - 2004.09.29 14:40:00 -
[217]
TBH I thought diees join date was his post date. My bad.
I retract saying eddz lied about why he posted.
But I won't apologize to someone who supports exploiting by their alliance members.
Evolution..... Just when you thought you were winning.
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ProphetGuru
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Posted - 2004.09.29 14:40:00 -
[218]
TBH I thought diees join date was his post date. My bad.
I retract saying eddz lied about why he posted.
But I won't apologize to someone who supports exploiting by their alliance members.
Evolution..... Just when you thought you were winning.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.09.29 14:46:00 -
[219]
I really wish GM's would give us some statistics on numbers of people banned for exploiting and a general idea of what the exploit was.
No names, just numbers.
It'd be quite interesting.
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.09.29 14:46:00 -
[220]
I really wish GM's would give us some statistics on numbers of people banned for exploiting and a general idea of what the exploit was.
No names, just numbers.
It'd be quite interesting.
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Meldryn Mawr
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Posted - 2004.09.29 16:06:00 -
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Originally by: Ribbo
Originally by: SirMolle
So, tell me again HOW you know for certain this is being used?
Oh, and please this link for reference and then answer.
I have nothing else to say.
what a nice flamebait thread and a clever turn, however how about posting the rest of piemans quote? I for one will be intrested to see what he says?
whether it be
"ok, let me begin :
this is everybit of information needed to perform this cheat ever" (followed by the rest of PA jumping in with oh yes i use this hax all the time)
or
"ok, let me begin :
cheaters are bad m'kay, i condone cheaters"
if you've got a mole in the forums, please can you let us see more of this thread? and not just the bit that supports your arguement. for all we know it could just be eddz and the rest of PA condoning this hack.
infact go one step further, BobbyWilson, put this thread in the www.newvenal.org Public section.
Regards
Ribbo
www.balec.cc
one question, do you actually know what the word "condone" means? maybe use a dictionary before trying to use big words.
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Meldryn Mawr
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Posted - 2004.09.29 16:06:00 -
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Originally by: Ribbo
Originally by: SirMolle
So, tell me again HOW you know for certain this is being used?
Oh, and please this link for reference and then answer.
I have nothing else to say.
what a nice flamebait thread and a clever turn, however how about posting the rest of piemans quote? I for one will be intrested to see what he says?
whether it be
"ok, let me begin :
this is everybit of information needed to perform this cheat ever" (followed by the rest of PA jumping in with oh yes i use this hax all the time)
or
"ok, let me begin :
cheaters are bad m'kay, i condone cheaters"
if you've got a mole in the forums, please can you let us see more of this thread? and not just the bit that supports your arguement. for all we know it could just be eddz and the rest of PA condoning this hack.
infact go one step further, BobbyWilson, put this thread in the www.newvenal.org Public section.
Regards
Ribbo
www.balec.cc
one question, do you actually know what the word "condone" means? maybe use a dictionary before trying to use big words.
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Artegg
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Posted - 2004.09.29 17:12:00 -
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To all the Evol, m0o, RKK and BNC dudes that posted on this OWNED after Shrike posted a link to the PA forums need to sit down and think really hard about this.
1)You find a link on our forums with someone asking how it is done.
2)By saying OWNED you are implying that we use it and Eddz is a Hyopcrate.
3)This is a exploit that totally removes lag
4)You then Moan and ***** and call us *****s because we do not jump in on your camped fleet. If what you say on the forums all the time about us not attacking when we have 2:1 is true then surely we would have no reason not to jump in as we have 2:1 and 0 lag.
5)Last night in 6nj we proved we can fight you around even numbers and pwn your arses furry muff you did get some ganks to make it even.
So in summary
WE can beat you on even terms but when we have 2:1 number and NOOOO lag we are not prepared to jump in
I know this is no maths problem But something here does not add up to me.
Have a nice day and see you on the field of love.
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Artegg
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Posted - 2004.09.29 17:12:00 -
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To all the Evol, m0o, RKK and BNC dudes that posted on this OWNED after Shrike posted a link to the PA forums need to sit down and think really hard about this.
1)You find a link on our forums with someone asking how it is done.
2)By saying OWNED you are implying that we use it and Eddz is a Hyopcrate.
3)This is a exploit that totally removes lag
4)You then Moan and ***** and call us *****s because we do not jump in on your camped fleet. If what you say on the forums all the time about us not attacking when we have 2:1 is true then surely we would have no reason not to jump in as we have 2:1 and 0 lag.
5)Last night in 6nj we proved we can fight you around even numbers and pwn your arses furry muff you did get some ganks to make it even.
So in summary
WE can beat you on even terms but when we have 2:1 number and NOOOO lag we are not prepared to jump in
I know this is no maths problem But something here does not add up to me.
Have a nice day and see you on the field of love.
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Artegg
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Posted - 2004.09.29 17:21:00 -
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Also as eddz said he is not pointing any Fingers but all the guys we fight are saying are you accusing us blah blah blah what makes you think that Eddz is making a observation about a exploit that can **** this game up totally.
Also what i find highly entertaining is that unlike the normal smack we have to endure after a battle with you guys there was non of that but there was a first and that was you guys sudden complaining about what horribale lag there was
And this comes from people that warp in to a fleet of 100 ships with drones deployed and turn around and warp out before any of us can lock. You must have Uber Uber computers to do it because mine is pretty damn good and i tried it and well i got locked by about the whole fleet.
Like Eddz i am not pointing fingers but you guys clearly think we use it because of the post on the PA forums, yes that looks suspect so does a few of the points i made above. Personally i find the whole thing highly entertaining that someone is sad enough to come up with this crap just so they get to blow up some pixels faster. For those that do it i would consider talking to someone about your issues with life asap.
The only thing to be done now is for CCP to track the Exploiters and Fix it asap.
Noone can prove anyone of doing it so dont bother trying.
just play the game and have fun.
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Artegg
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Posted - 2004.09.29 17:21:00 -
[226]
Also as eddz said he is not pointing any Fingers but all the guys we fight are saying are you accusing us blah blah blah what makes you think that Eddz is making a observation about a exploit that can **** this game up totally.
Also what i find highly entertaining is that unlike the normal smack we have to endure after a battle with you guys there was non of that but there was a first and that was you guys sudden complaining about what horribale lag there was
And this comes from people that warp in to a fleet of 100 ships with drones deployed and turn around and warp out before any of us can lock. You must have Uber Uber computers to do it because mine is pretty damn good and i tried it and well i got locked by about the whole fleet.
Like Eddz i am not pointing fingers but you guys clearly think we use it because of the post on the PA forums, yes that looks suspect so does a few of the points i made above. Personally i find the whole thing highly entertaining that someone is sad enough to come up with this crap just so they get to blow up some pixels faster. For those that do it i would consider talking to someone about your issues with life asap.
The only thing to be done now is for CCP to track the Exploiters and Fix it asap.
Noone can prove anyone of doing it so dont bother trying.
just play the game and have fun.
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Dred 'Morte
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Posted - 2004.09.29 17:49:00 -
[227]
LOL! , so changing eve files = BAN?
Why dont you get banned for this too?
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=110129
Its not exploiting from my perspective, its game tweaking, and it should be added to above thread!
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Dred 'Morte
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Posted - 2004.09.29 17:49:00 -
[228]
LOL! , so changing eve files = BAN?
Why dont you get banned for this too?
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=110129
Its not exploiting from my perspective, its game tweaking, and it should be added to above thread!
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Hakera
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Posted - 2004.09.29 17:49:00 -
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Edited by: Hakera on 29/09/2004 17:50:56
Hmm, Im sure Oveur said...
Originally by: Oveur
Wireframe wouldn't really make it much faster after the optimizations since it's what we are doing to the models and how we handle them that's buggy, not the models themselves. This was made clearer from the Scott/Hammerhead logs.
in this blog
and also...
Originally by: Oveur
1) It's not the models
2) It's not the models
Like I said earlier, it's under the hood, not the paintjob :)
So assuming CCP know what they are on about, most of this debate is mute even if someone decides to go swapping models.
Dumbledore - Eve-I.com |
Hakera
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Posted - 2004.09.29 17:49:00 -
[230]
Edited by: Hakera on 29/09/2004 17:50:56
Hmm, Im sure Oveur said...
Originally by: Oveur
Wireframe wouldn't really make it much faster after the optimizations since it's what we are doing to the models and how we handle them that's buggy, not the models themselves. This was made clearer from the Scott/Hammerhead logs.
in this blog
and also...
Originally by: Oveur
1) It's not the models
2) It's not the models
Like I said earlier, it's under the hood, not the paintjob :)
So assuming CCP know what they are on about, most of this debate is mute even if someone decides to go swapping models.
Dumbledore - Eve-I.com |
ProphetGuru
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Posted - 2004.09.29 17:49:00 -
[231]
Holy pwned!
To the backpedal-mobile!!!
You guys should probably quit while you behind.
You can say anything you want, a picture is worth a thousand words, and a picture of someones words..... well damn, that must be worth even more
I shouldn't be suprised really to see GODS doing stuff like this though. They have shown their true colors multiple times, but one would think other pa corps wouldn't stand for it.
Oh well, desperate times call for desperate measures I guess, and it's more obvious then ever that you are all desperate.
Evolution..... Just when you thought you were winning.
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ProphetGuru
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Posted - 2004.09.29 17:49:00 -
[232]
Holy pwned!
To the backpedal-mobile!!!
You guys should probably quit while you behind.
You can say anything you want, a picture is worth a thousand words, and a picture of someones words..... well damn, that must be worth even more
I shouldn't be suprised really to see GODS doing stuff like this though. They have shown their true colors multiple times, but one would think other pa corps wouldn't stand for it.
Oh well, desperate times call for desperate measures I guess, and it's more obvious then ever that you are all desperate.
Evolution..... Just when you thought you were winning.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.09.29 17:55:00 -
[233]
Originally by: Hakera
Edited by: Hakera on 29/09/2004 17:50:56
Hmm, Im sure Oveur said...
Originally by: Oveur
Wireframe wouldn't really make it much faster after the optimizations since it's what we are doing to the models and how we handle them that's buggy, not the models themselves. This was made clearer from the Scott/Hammerhead logs.
in this blog
and also...
Originally by: Oveur
1) It's not the models
2) It's not the models
Like I said earlier, it's under the hood, not the paintjob :)
So assuming CCP know what they are on about, most of this debate is mute even if someone decides to go swapping models.
If you remove the models you gain a lot of FPS.
This makes the client more responsive.
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.09.29 17:55:00 -
[234]
Originally by: Hakera
Edited by: Hakera on 29/09/2004 17:50:56
Hmm, Im sure Oveur said...
Originally by: Oveur
Wireframe wouldn't really make it much faster after the optimizations since it's what we are doing to the models and how we handle them that's buggy, not the models themselves. This was made clearer from the Scott/Hammerhead logs.
in this blog
and also...
Originally by: Oveur
1) It's not the models
2) It's not the models
Like I said earlier, it's under the hood, not the paintjob :)
So assuming CCP know what they are on about, most of this debate is mute even if someone decides to go swapping models.
If you remove the models you gain a lot of FPS.
This makes the client more responsive.
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
DigitalCommunist
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Posted - 2004.09.29 18:07:00 -
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Thats funny, PA members saying how we should keep politics out of it, when this goes much much further than politics. Its borderline personal attacks.
PA members have accused our entire alliance of cheating ingame, but when we prove that your own members are discussing how to do it, you suddenly have no more accusations to make.
Oh I agree it has nothing to do with alliance vs alliance, but rather what each individual member's stance on morality was.
So if you're really that hardcore against cheaters Eddz, petition your friend Diee over here, then ask him what his punishment was. That should answer your original post.
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Perpetually driven, your end is our beginning.
"Can I be a consultant for EVE II?" - WhiteDwarf |
DigitalCommunist
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Posted - 2004.09.29 18:07:00 -
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Thats funny, PA members saying how we should keep politics out of it, when this goes much much further than politics. Its borderline personal attacks.
PA members have accused our entire alliance of cheating ingame, but when we prove that your own members are discussing how to do it, you suddenly have no more accusations to make.
Oh I agree it has nothing to do with alliance vs alliance, but rather what each individual member's stance on morality was.
So if you're really that hardcore against cheaters Eddz, petition your friend Diee over here, then ask him what his punishment was. That should answer your original post.
_____________________________________
Perpetually driven, your end is our beginning.
"Can I be a consultant for EVE II?" - WhiteDwarf |
Karunel
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Posted - 2004.09.29 18:28:00 -
[237]
Very funny *claps*
I think Sham deserves some recognition for daring to defend PA *claps some more*
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Karunel
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Posted - 2004.09.29 18:28:00 -
[238]
Very funny *claps*
I think Sham deserves some recognition for daring to defend PA *claps some more*
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BobGhengisKhan
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Posted - 2004.09.29 18:32:00 -
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Quote:
I WILL KICK ANYONE from R-K that uses this cheat, I dont care if every Moo and Evol guy turns up to a battle with it hacked, 2 wrongs make nothing but ill feeling and mistrsut.
you're such a****got. even after the screenshot is posted and youre swearing youre trying to keep this free of accusations, you still HAVE to slip in that line. **** off
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BobGhengisKhan
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Posted - 2004.09.29 18:32:00 -
[240]
Quote:
I WILL KICK ANYONE from R-K that uses this cheat, I dont care if every Moo and Evol guy turns up to a battle with it hacked, 2 wrongs make nothing but ill feeling and mistrsut.
you're such a****got. even after the screenshot is posted and youre swearing youre trying to keep this free of accusations, you still HAVE to slip in that line. **** off
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Luc Boye
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Posted - 2004.09.29 20:24:00 -
[241]
Originally by: Artegg
4)You then Moan and ***** and call us *****s because we do not jump in on your camped fleet. If what you say on the forums all the time about us not attacking when we have 2:1 is true then surely we would have no reason not to jump in as we have 2:1 and 0 lag.
5)Last night in 6nj we proved we can fight you around even numbers and pwn your arses furry muff you did get some ganks to make it even.
4.) cos you are?
5.) last night lagged? ring any bells?
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2004.12.29 23:33:40combatMining Pollution Cloud hits you, doing 140.0 damage. |
Luc Boye
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Posted - 2004.09.29 20:24:00 -
[242]
Originally by: Artegg
4)You then Moan and ***** and call us *****s because we do not jump in on your camped fleet. If what you say on the forums all the time about us not attacking when we have 2:1 is true then surely we would have no reason not to jump in as we have 2:1 and 0 lag.
5)Last night in 6nj we proved we can fight you around even numbers and pwn your arses furry muff you did get some ganks to make it even.
4.) cos you are?
5.) last night lagged? ring any bells?
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2004.12.29 23:33:40combatMining Pollution Cloud hits you, doing 140.0 damage. |
DREAMWORKS
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Posted - 2004.09.29 20:44:00 -
[243]
Edited by: DREAMWORKS on 29/09/2004 20:46:57
I can understand people doing this, they bought a game, they pay for a fee and what they get is a game with insane lag in combat. Now adjusting some code, the game works as it should with 1 exception: You have no models.
However it is against the EULA to modify the game, i can understand that people want a fix. The best thing i can suggest is: Try it out, and work close with CCP on TEST SERVER to get a new feature in. Give CCP a chance. And i am sure that there will be a GM who tells you to **** off, just like a friend of mine was told when he reported a bug which cause your shuttle to carry an ammount of 200000000m3 units (AND IS STILL IN THE GAME!!!!). But just keep trying and trying, and eventually you end up with someone who's head isnt made of wood. 
So my advice is: Play it by the rules and do it on test server.
Also im interested if CCP holds options open to my suggestion.
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http://www.nin.com/visuals/thtf_hi.html |
DREAMWORKS
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Posted - 2004.09.29 20:44:00 -
[244]
Edited by: DREAMWORKS on 29/09/2004 20:46:57
I can understand people doing this, they bought a game, they pay for a fee and what they get is a game with insane lag in combat. Now adjusting some code, the game works as it should with 1 exception: You have no models.
However it is against the EULA to modify the game, i can understand that people want a fix. The best thing i can suggest is: Try it out, and work close with CCP on TEST SERVER to get a new feature in. Give CCP a chance. And i am sure that there will be a GM who tells you to **** off, just like a friend of mine was told when he reported a bug which cause your shuttle to carry an ammount of 200000000m3 units (AND IS STILL IN THE GAME!!!!). But just keep trying and trying, and eventually you end up with someone who's head isnt made of wood.
So my advice is: Play it by the rules and do it on test server.
Also im interested if CCP holds options open to my suggestion.
__________________________
http://www.nin.com/visuals/thtf_hi.html |
Nafri
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Posted - 2004.09.29 22:48:00 -
[245]
Originally by: DREAMWORKS
Edited by: DREAMWORKS on 29/09/2004 20:46:57
I can understand people doing this, they bought a game, they pay for a fee and what they get is a game with insane lag in combat. Now adjusting some code, the game works as it should with 1 exception: You have no models.
However it is against the EULA to modify the game, i can understand that people want a fix. The best thing i can suggest is: Try it out, and work close with CCP on TEST SERVER to get a new feature in. Give CCP a chance. And i am sure that there will be a GM who tells you to **** off, just like a friend of mine was told when he reported a bug which cause your shuttle to carry an ammount of 200000000m3 units (AND IS STILL IN THE GAME!!!!). But just keep trying and trying, and eventually you end up with someone who's head isnt made of wood.
So my advice is: Play it by the rules and do it on test server.
Also im interested if CCP holds options open to my suggestion.
well, i would really love to have an option to deactivate at leaste the drones (cant see them anyway) and reduce the models to bitmaps if wanted
Wanna fly with me?
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Nafri
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Posted - 2004.09.29 22:48:00 -
[246]
Originally by: DREAMWORKS
Edited by: DREAMWORKS on 29/09/2004 20:46:57
I can understand people doing this, they bought a game, they pay for a fee and what they get is a game with insane lag in combat. Now adjusting some code, the game works as it should with 1 exception: You have no models.
However it is against the EULA to modify the game, i can understand that people want a fix. The best thing i can suggest is: Try it out, and work close with CCP on TEST SERVER to get a new feature in. Give CCP a chance. And i am sure that there will be a GM who tells you to **** off, just like a friend of mine was told when he reported a bug which cause your shuttle to carry an ammount of 200000000m3 units (AND IS STILL IN THE GAME!!!!). But just keep trying and trying, and eventually you end up with someone who's head isnt made of wood.
So my advice is: Play it by the rules and do it on test server.
Also im interested if CCP holds options open to my suggestion.
well, i would really love to have an option to deactivate at leaste the drones (cant see them anyway) and reduce the models to bitmaps if wanted
Wanna fly with me?
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H Erectus
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Posted - 2004.09.30 04:39:00 -
[247]
OH DEAR JESUS GOD ROOFLE OWNED SCRUB HELO LJHGDLFYKGEASKGHQ4.
and shamaroth, could you plz stop obsessing over abba? he doesn't care about you. why do you care so much about him? like, you make me sorry i ever vouched for you. sighz.
BUT LOLZ AGAIN @ SLAUSAGE ON PA'S FOREHEAD. OMFGOMDFFOMG.
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H Erectus
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Posted - 2004.09.30 04:39:00 -
[248]
OH DEAR JESUS GOD ROOFLE OWNED SCRUB HELO LJHGDLFYKGEASKGHQ4.
and shamaroth, could you plz stop obsessing over abba? he doesn't care about you. why do you care so much about him? like, you make me sorry i ever vouched for you. sighz.
BUT LOLZ AGAIN @ SLAUSAGE ON PA'S FOREHEAD. OMFGOMDFFOMG.
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Harry Voyager
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Posted - 2004.09.30 07:18:00 -
[249]
Edited by: Harry Voyager on 30/09/2004 07:20:52
What this is called is Entrapment.
Quote:
Entrapment: n. in criminal law, the act of law enforcement officers or government agents inducing or encouraging a person to commit a crime when the potential criminal expresses a desire not to go ahead. The key to entrapment is whether the idea for the commission or encouragement of the criminal act originated with the police or government agents instead of with the "criminal." Entrapment, if proved, is a defense to a criminal prosecution. The accused often claims entrapment in so-called "stings" in which undercover agents buy or sell narcotics, prostitutes' services or arrange to purchase goods believed to be stolen. The factual question is: Would Johnny Begood have purchased the drugs if not pressed by the narc?
It was a very clever tactic on m0o's part to attempt to stir up people against PA, simply by having one of their plants post information asking about hacks on the PA forums, and posting screenshots of it. Fortunatly for m0o it is, of course, quite impossible to prove that anyone is actually using these cheats, and as such, their characters are currently quite safe from CCP repercussions. Worst case, PA might get suspicious and eject your spy, but of course, you have others.
In the mean time, you get to take the moral highground condeming PA "cheating" and expunging any suspicions that m0o itself has been engaging in those same practices.
Quite devious m0o.
Harry Voyager
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Harry Voyager
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Posted - 2004.09.30 07:18:00 -
[250]
Edited by: Harry Voyager on 30/09/2004 07:20:52
What this is called is Entrapment.
Quote:
Entrapment: n. in criminal law, the act of law enforcement officers or government agents inducing or encouraging a person to commit a crime when the potential criminal expresses a desire not to go ahead. The key to entrapment is whether the idea for the commission or encouragement of the criminal act originated with the police or government agents instead of with the "criminal." Entrapment, if proved, is a defense to a criminal prosecution. The accused often claims entrapment in so-called "stings" in which undercover agents buy or sell narcotics, prostitutes' services or arrange to purchase goods believed to be stolen. The factual question is: Would Johnny Begood have purchased the drugs if not pressed by the narc?
It was a very clever tactic on m0o's part to attempt to stir up people against PA, simply by having one of their plants post information asking about hacks on the PA forums, and posting screenshots of it. Fortunatly for m0o it is, of course, quite impossible to prove that anyone is actually using these cheats, and as such, their characters are currently quite safe from CCP repercussions. Worst case, PA might get suspicious and eject your spy, but of course, you have others.
In the mean time, you get to take the moral highground condeming PA "cheating" and expunging any suspicions that m0o itself has been engaging in those same practices.
Quite devious m0o.
Harry Voyager
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Eris Discordia
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Posted - 2004.09.30 07:57:00 -
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Disussing exploits is against the forum rules, if you suspect someone is using an exploit you should petition it.
Here you can read what an exploit is.
I ♥ my pink dreadnought of pwnage
Mail [email protected] if you have any questions. |
Eris Discordia
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Posted - 2004.09.30 07:57:00 -
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Disussing exploits is against the forum rules, if you suspect someone is using an exploit you should petition it.
Here you can read what an exploit is.
I ♥ my pink dreadnought of pwnage
Mail [email protected] if you have any questions. |
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