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Malice Redeemer Redeemer Group Joint Venture Conglomerate 71	Posted - 2012.05.23 08:42:00 - [1] - Quote Why do I want to have the whole station name post to chat when I link a station? This "feature" breaks the way I keep track of stations in a nice simple way, in a channel motd. Is there any chance this can be fixed?
Ludi Burek The Player Haters Corp 92	Posted - 2012.05.23 08:45:00 - [2] - Quote Why u so mad bro?
Virgil Travis GWA Corp Unified Church of the Unobligated 184	Posted - 2012.05.23 08:50:00 - [3] - Quote This is a bit of annoyance, I had a chat channel we use just for quick links to systems and stations using just the system names. Yesterday it became a complete mess when they all changed to the full system planet moon station names. Let's see if they change it back with the patch today. If the Sims all became zombies it would be easy to escape them, just shove them in a room and make them answer the telephone.
Jarne Increasing Success by Lowering Expectations 3	Posted - 2012.05.23 08:55:00 - [4] - Quote I think it's because of localization, there was something about it in the patch notes if I remember right. The reason: if you have a russian client you will get some russian version of "... station" when a station gets linked I think. And vice versa when a russian links something. Doesn't make sense for items etc. of course...
Malice Redeemer Redeemer Group Joint Venture Conglomerate 71	Posted - 2012.05.23 09:08:00 - [5] - Quote Jarne wrote: I think it's because of localization, there was something about it in the patch notes if I remember right. The reason: if you have a russian client you will get some russian version of "... station" when a station gets linked I think. And vice versa when a russian links something. Doesn't make sense for items etc. of course... Great, can my problem be fixed is all I care about?

CCP Prism X C C P C C P Alliance 590	Posted - 2012.05.23 10:20:00 - [6] - Quote Finally I find a topic on this! At any rate: This is my fault! Feel free to tweet horrible things about me while I come up with a usable solution. As Jarne already mentioned this is due to localization: Translating autolinks requires them to actually be a sensible word in the first place, otherwise the receiver has no way of forming an expectation of what he is clicking. But even though I love being overly verbose I'll have to admit people do not like to be subjected to verbosity. So I'll shorten things up considerably. Probably something like "Station: ORBITNAME". So Dodixie IX - Moon 20 - Federation Navy Assembly Plant would become Station: Dodixie IX - M20. That's translatable, informative and not enough characters to build a ladder to heaven with. Fair play? ~ CCP Prism X EVE Database Developer If anything in this post was informative or could be considered as 'good news' to you - chances are you've misread it.

Tobiaz Spacerats 476	Posted - 2012.05.23 10:22:00 - [7] - Quote CCP Prism X wrote: Finally I find a topic on this! At any rate: This is my fault! Feel free to tweet horrible things about me while I come up with a usable solution. As Jarne already mentioned this is due to localization: Translating autolinks requires them to actually be a sensible word in the first place, otherwise the receiver has no way of forming an expectation of what he is clicking. But even though I love being overly verbose I'll have to admit people do not like to be subjected to verbosity. So I'll shorten things up considerably. Probably something like "Station: ORBITNAME". So Dodixie IX - Moon 20 - Federation Navy Assembly Plant would become Station: Dodixie IX - M20. That's translatable, informative and not enough characters to build a ladder to heaven with. Fair play? Sounds good Could you apply something like that to the default naming of bookmarks? Operation WRITE DOWN ALL THE THINGS!!!-á Check out the list at http://bit.ly/wdatt Collecting and compiling all fixes and ideas for EVE. Looking for more editors!
Aiko Hanomaa State War Academy Caldari State 1	Posted - 2012.05.23 10:25:00 - [8] - Quote CCP Prism X wrote: Fair play? No. If I want to link Jita IV - Moon 4 - Caldari Navy Assembly Plant with the words "Froghole", the link should read "Froghole". There is no reason to translate my words.
Jonah Gravenstein 338	Posted - 2012.05.23 10:27:00 - [9] - Quote Tobiaz wrote: Sounds good Could you apply something like that to the default naming of bookmarks? Or better yet, make it optional. CCP could safe itself a lot of forum tantrums if more UI stuff was optional. Totally this, changing bookmark name strings to something meaningful is a PITA. War hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside.
Malice Redeemer Redeemer Group Joint Venture Conglomerate 75	Posted - 2012.05.23 10:30:00 - [10] - Quote Aiko Hanomaa wrote: CCP Prism X wrote: Fair play? No. If I want to link Jita IV - Moon 4 - Caldari Navy Assembly Plant with the words "Froghole", the link should read "Froghole". There is no reason to translate my words. this, but I guess the dev's fix will work, but still we lost something eh? Lets worry more about the inventory first eh? really I don't care if its not your job. I mean if there is anyone at ccp that isn't trying to sort out what to do now with this invertory, thats a mistake.
Spanking Monkeys ZC Industries Dark Stripes 16	Posted - 2012.05.23 10:32:00 - [11] - Quote CCP Prism X wrote: Finally I find a topic on this! At any rate: This is my fault! Feel free to tweet horrible things about me while I come up with a usable solution. As Jarne already mentioned this is due to localization: Translating autolinks requires them to actually be a sensible word in the first place, otherwise the receiver has no way of forming an expectation of what he is clicking. But even though I love being overly verbose I'll have to admit people do not like to be subjected to verbosity. So I'll shorten things up considerably. Probably something like "Station: ORBITNAME". So Dodixie IX - Moon 20 - Federation Navy Assembly Plant would become Station: Dodixie IX - M20. That's translatable, informative and not enough characters to build a ladder to heaven with. Fair play? but this causes issues with the note pad. it can only contain so many letters. so when you try to short link something to cut back on these letters, the new links explode to full length. ok you can sit there are remove most of the link, but its just another job to do that really shouldnt have to be done

CCP Prism X C C P C C P Alliance 592	Posted - 2012.05.23 10:42:00 - [12] - Quote Bookmarks - I'll see what I can do but I'm under heavy time constraints from other projects and isn't actually connected to the issue at hand. Froghole - Although I don't agree with there being much usability behind that other than confusing people, I can probably add that back with a bit of work. Besides, confusing people is great fun! Would probably also make everyone happier if things only autocomplete if the text supplied is a substring of the actual text. That way you could make even shorter station names by naming the links Froghole 1 - Infinity. Notepad - Hopefully the Froghole fix will help you here as well. ~ CCP Prism X EVE Database Developer If anything in this post was informative or could be considered as 'good news' to you - chances are you've misread it.

Jonah Gravenstein 339	Posted - 2012.05.23 10:50:00 - [13] - Quote CCP Prism X "Froghole Fix" has to be the official name for any remedial work carried out on the longwinded autolinking localisation problem War hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside.
Generals4 Caldari State 745	Posted - 2012.05.23 10:54:00 - [14] - Quote Aiko Hanomaa wrote: CCP Prism X wrote: Fair play? No. If I want to link Jita IV - Moon 4 - Caldari Navy Assembly Plant with the words "Froghole", the link should read "Froghole". There is no reason to translate my words. Jita is a squidhole. The only froghole i know of is dodixie! *-Death is nothing, but to live defeated and inglorious is to die daily.*
Aiko Hanomaa State War Academy Caldari State 1	Posted - 2012.05.23 10:56:00 - [15] - Quote CCP Prism X wrote: Bookmarks - I'll see what I can do but I'm under heavy time constraints from other projects and isn't actually connected to the issue at hand. Would probably also make everyone happier if things only autocomplete if the text supplied is a substring of the actual text. That sounds fine. Autocomplete is a helpful feature, replacing user input without context is the opposite.
Malice Redeemer Redeemer Group Joint Venture Conglomerate 76	Posted - 2012.05.23 10:58:00 - [16] - Quote Aiko Hanomaa wrote: CCP Prism X wrote: Bookmarks - I'll see what I can do but I'm under heavy time constraints from other projects and isn't actually connected to the issue at hand. Would probably also make everyone happier if things only autocomplete if the text supplied is a substring of the actual text. That sounds fine. Autocomplete is a helpful feature, replacing user input without context is the opposite. Sounds great to me, as for a simple use example "home" for a link to a station? Edit: now can we get to to rattle the inventory guys cages? We would like to have a talk with them.
Virgil Travis GWA Corp Unified Church of the Unobligated 186	Posted - 2012.05.23 11:07:00 - [17] - Quote CCP Prism X wrote: Finally I find a topic on this! At any rate: This is my fault! Feel free to tweet horrible things about me while I come up with a usable solution. As Jarne already mentioned this is due to localization: Translating autolinks requires them to actually be a sensible word in the first place, otherwise the receiver has no way of forming an expectation of what he is clicking. But even though I love being overly verbose I'll have to admit people do not like to be subjected to verbosity. So I'll shorten things up considerably. Probably something like "Station: ORBITNAME". So Dodixie IX - Moon 20 - Federation Navy Assembly Plant would become Station: Dodixie IX - M20. That's translatable, informative and not enough characters to build a ladder to heaven with. Fair play? I'd rather just be able to use the text for the link that I want, not what is forced on me thanks. Or make that an option when you create the autolink, we have a whole list of quick links that this change has made a complete mess off and wasn't required really. If the Sims all became zombies it would be easy to escape them, just shove them in a room and make them answer the telephone.

CCP Prism X C C P C C P Alliance 595	Posted - 2012.05.23 11:24:00 - [18] - Quote Malice Redeemer wrote: [quote=Aiko Hanomaa]Edit: now can we get to to rattle the inventory guys cages? We would like to have a talk with them. But that's so mainstream! Being angry at me is much more underground and it's been so long since people were angry at me that it's probably considered retro by now! ~ CCP Prism X EVE Database Developer If anything in this post was informative or could be considered as 'good news' to you - chances are you've misread it.

Misanth RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE 579	Posted - 2012.05.23 11:27:00 - [19] - Quote CCP Prism X wrote: Malice Redeemer wrote: [quote=Aiko Hanomaa]Edit: now can we get to to rattle the inventory guys cages? We would like to have a talk with them. But that's so mainstream! Being angry at me is much more underground and it's been so long since people were angry at me that it's probably considered retro by now! I can pull your hair in that retro haircut of yours? shiptoastin' liek a baws
Sarah Schneider PonyWaffe Test Alliance Please Ignore 115	Posted - 2012.05.23 11:29:00 - [20] - Quote CCP Prism X wrote: So I'll shorten things up considerably. Probably something like "Station: ORBITNAME". So Dodixie IX - Moon 20 - Federation Navy Assembly Plant would become Station: Dodixie IX - M20. That's translatable, informative and not enough characters to build a ladder to heaven with.Fair play? Do eeettt!!! I'll throw you and other guys involved in this change cookies, candies and rainbows if it actually happens!
Malice Redeemer Redeemer Group Joint Venture Conglomerate 76	Posted - 2012.05.23 11:30:00 - [21] - Quote CCP Prism X wrote: Malice Redeemer wrote: [quote=Aiko Hanomaa]Edit: now can we get to to rattle the inventory guys cages? We would like to have a talk with them. But that's so mainstream! Being angry at me is much more underground and it's been so long since people were angry at me that it's probably considered retro by now! lol, I love your sig, btw
Tikktokk Tokkzikk Glorious Revolution The 99 Percent 80	Posted - 2012.05.23 11:45:00 - [22] - Quote NOOO! I can no longer rename items such as slaves with player names! Y U BREAK MY FUN?! Also less options when I want to make links look neat such as in MOTD.

CCP Prism X C C P C C P Alliance 596	Posted - 2012.05.23 11:47:00 - [23] - Quote Tikktokk Tokkzikk wrote: NOOO! I can no longer rename items such as slaves with player names! Y U BREAK MY FUN?! Also less options when I want to make links look neat such as in MOTD. Hey, I'm working on it! I've already said I'll reintroduce Frogholing one way or the other. Nobody reads my posts ~ CCP Prism X EVE Database Developer If anything in this post was informative or could be considered as 'good news' to you - chances are you've misread it.

Rrama Ratamnim Phoenix Evolved Part Duo 27	Posted - 2012.05.23 12:02:00 - [24] - Quote HAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHA PRISM X wins for saying "Frogholing" ! LMFAO
Cathrine Kenchov Ice Cold Ellites 9	Posted - 2012.05.23 12:04:00 - [25] - Quote I actually really liked this "feature", made linking destination in fleet, or item types in alliance a lot more readable. :shrug:, an option to keep it would also be nice
Malice Redeemer Redeemer Group Joint Venture Conglomerate 78	Posted - 2012.05.23 12:05:00 - [26] - Quote CCP Prism X wrote: Tikktokk Tokkzikk wrote: NOOO! I can no longer rename items such as slaves with player names! Y U BREAK MY FUN?! Also less options when I want to make links look neat such as in MOTD. Hey, I'm working on it! I've already said I'll reintroduce Frogholing one way or the other. Nobody reads my posts

CCP Prism X C C P C C P Alliance 596	Posted - 2012.05.23 12:14:00 - [27] - Quote Malice Redeemer wrote: Confirming that I'm only posting to use the new word we made up. It's a good word. Going to see if I can get Twitter to start using it. P.S. I'm still working on fixing this, not just tweeting and posting. PromiseGäó! ~ CCP Prism X EVE Database Developer If anything in this post was informative or could be considered as 'good news' to you - chances are you've misread it.

WiLi19 Heretic Army Heretic Nation 4	Posted - 2012.05.23 13:21:00 - [28] - Quote CCP Prism X wrote: Malice Redeemer wrote: Confirming that I'm only posting to use the new word we made up. It's a good word. Going to see if I can get Twitter to start using it. P.S. I'm still working on fixing this, not just tweeting and posting. PromiseGäó! yeah..... right
Virgil Travis GWA Corp Unified Church of the Unobligated 187	Posted - 2012.05.23 13:25:00 - [29] - Quote Froghole that man If the Sims all became zombies it would be easy to escape them, just shove them in a room and make them answer the telephone.

CCP Prism X C C P C C P Alliance 597	Posted - 2012.05.23 15:30:00 - [30] - Quote So this is all mostly ready on my machine. Station links that autocomplete will complete to Station: ShortOrbitName (M instead of Moon). All types of links can now be FrogholedGäó in the same manner as before. They will not autocomplete on any client and obviously not be translated. Currently I'm having issues with the FrogholingGäó requiring you to delete all of the text used to autolink and I'm trying to work around that because it's annoyingly confusing and I think everyone would appreciate being able to write "Jita IV", link that to Jita IV 4 CNA, and than erase the roman numeral part to only have it display as "Jita" (and never translate, even though that's a solar system name. Can't have your cake and eat it). However, I'm not committing this today and I'm not rushing this out to TQ because this code is brittle. I'm also well out of my comfort zone as a specialized database developer that generally stops touching things once they've been efficiently fetched and properly stored in client side structures. And lastly I remember all the fringe issues I had when doing this in the first place and am mortally afraid of reintroducing them on TQ if this gets pushed out too soon. But this is all happening. Sorry for making you wait, but patience is a virtue! And if wrath is your thing, the offer of calling me nasty names on Twitter still stands! ~ CCP Prism X EVE Database Developer If anything in this post was informative or could be considered as 'good news' to you - chances are you've misread it.


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