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Tobiaz
Spacerats
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Posted - 2012.05.24 14:13:00 -
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Can anyone tell me if the modules has a X chance to break ALL locks, or for each individual lock a X chance to break it? Operation WRITE DOWN ALL THE THINGS!!!-á Check out the list at http://bit.ly/wdatt Collecting and compiling all fixes and ideas for EVE. Looking for more editors! |

Sradoc
Space Road Truckers. Sev3rance
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Posted - 2012.05.24 16:29:00 -
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Bouh Revetoile wrote:Sradoc wrote: Makes sense, especially for Marauders.
You really want this mod to fit on a marauder...
This mod does fit on a marauder, what is there to want? |

Sradoc
Space Road Truckers. Sev3rance
1
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Posted - 2012.05.24 16:31:00 -
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Tobiaz wrote:Can anyone tell me if the modules has a X chance to break ALL locks, or for each individual lock a X chance to break it?
Each lock has X chance to be broken. Oddly though, breaking the originating ship's lock is 100%. |

Sradoc
Space Road Truckers. Sev3rance
1
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Posted - 2012.05.24 16:45:00 -
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I tested my theory (anti site gank) in a null sec site, and had a buddy of mine warp in as if he was going to tackle me for a red fleet.
Did it 5 times, and I had a 0% success rate at getting out of there 'alive'. And, actually a couple times I almost lost my ship because I only broke 3 of the 20 NPCs lock, but never the test tackle.
Then my buddy proposed "ok, now let me try it in a dictor"...yeah, idea crushed.
I fit a armor BS, but chewing up the mid slot I'd normally have for boosters I couldn't run the reppers...so whom ever it was that said the mid slot doesn't affect the armor tank needs to give it a go. It DOES hurt the tank, seriously.
Sooo, I wouldn't say using this mod to avoid being ganked doing null sec sites is a good idea.
This mod, from what I can see is for the hardcore care bear who needs to have maybe 3 seconds of 5% less dps because they weren't aligned out.
I've tested all I can stand with this thing, I hope others don't die a horrible death (unless it's me killing you) while you use it. |

Sjofn Ogsdottr
Furyan Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.24 17:50:00 -
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OK, so the use of this new module in PvE / PvP is still debateable.
I haven't seen the mod's restrictions, could this be used on a Blockade Runner? Along the lines of materializing the other side of a gate in low-sec, only to run into a camp. Align/TSB/Warp/Cloak? And does it count as offensive by CONCORD? |

Cunanium
NUTS AND BOLTS MANUFACTURING En Garde
13
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Posted - 2012.05.24 20:06:00 -
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Sradoc wrote:I tested my theory (anti site gank) in a null sec site, and had a buddy of mine warp in as if he was going to tackle me for a red fleet.
Did it 5 times, and I had a 0% success rate at getting out of there 'alive'. And, actually a couple times I almost lost my ship because I only broke 3 of the 20 NPCs lock, but never the test tackle.
Then my buddy proposed "ok, now let me try it in a dictor"...yeah, idea crushed.
I fit a armor BS, but chewing up the mid slot I'd normally have for boosters I couldn't run the reppers...so whom ever it was that said the mid slot doesn't affect the armor tank needs to give it a go. It DOES hurt the tank, seriously.
Sooo, I wouldn't say using this mod to avoid being ganked doing null sec sites is a good idea.
This mod, from what I can see is for the hardcore care bear who needs to have maybe 3 seconds of 5% less dps because they weren't aligned out.
I've tested all I can stand with this thing, I hope others don't die a horrible death (unless it's me killing you) while you use it.
Your problem here.... reppers.
This is an awesome module. Can't wait for it to be fitted on a bait domi. Can't wait until we get the first videos of a ship jumping into a camp, seeing fast tackle run at them only to have their locks broken as the ship aligns and warps off. This is of course not guaranteed, but is a lot more reliable than ECM drones.
Hell it might even be used simply for reducing incoming dps to allow the fleet to make it there before the domi pops (I have been on the bad end of a poor calculation of tank durability when baiting more times then I really should have...)
Would you call ECM drones useless because their chance to jam is significantly less than that of a falcon and they take valuable warrior 2's out of your drone bay?
You have a misplaced idea that this is intended for doctrine fit, pve fit, or anything regular. And I'm sorry, but anyone who puts this on a marauder... lawl. This is not a typical module like tanking or prop mods. Its a lightweight version of ECM burst, which I have seen used to devastating effect. Ever had a triage carrier attempting to tactically refit for resists while being primaried and have an ECM burst go off at just the right time to let his local reppers save his ass? Yeah. There is a purpose for this. |

sabre906
Old Spice Syndicate Sailors of the Sacred Spice
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Posted - 2012.05.24 21:14:00 -
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http://jestertrek.blogspot.com/2012/05/well-thats-about-same.html
This module fails.
Why can't CCP just implement aoe on ship destruction in null. What's wrong with the tried and true method of blob control in every other game that it's not good enough for Eve? |

Mfume Apocal
Origin. Black Legion.
458
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Posted - 2012.05.24 21:24:00 -
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sabre906 wrote:http://jestertrek.blogspot.com/2012/05/well-thats-about-same.html This module fails. Why can't CCP just implement aoe on ship destruction in null. What's wrong with the tried and true method of blob control in every other game that it's not good enough for Eve? 
Probably because they want sig-tanked, close range comps like AHACs to remain viable and not reduce fleet warfare to a collection of the biggest brick tanked arty boats pounding each other until the first side to lose a ship has the rest of it's fleet explode. |

Cambarus
Baros Reloaded
171
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Posted - 2012.05.24 23:21:00 -
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TotalRapeage wrote:might as well fit warp stabs while your at it and gimp your ship even more and go down like a true carebear.  If you can't imagine a reason why breaking the locks of 500 ships might be something worth doing then name calling isn't going to change the fact that you're a moron :) |

Mechael
Ouroboros Executor Collective
96
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Posted - 2012.05.25 00:17:00 -
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Cambarus wrote:The no BPO thing was a terrible idea on CCPs part though, not sure what they were thinking.
I really don't understand this either. Makes me a little angry, to be honest. So much for the idea that most of the stuff in the game is made by players. Rare faction/complex/officer stuff is one thing, but this is just too much. I'd rather die in battle against a man who will lie to me, than for a man who will lie to me. |
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Drew Solaert
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.25 00:46:00 -
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I'm having problems finding a use for it. If im targeted by 500 people unless at that level it has a 100% lock break chances even if it doesn't work on say 20 of them, chances are I'm going to die. Not to mention drones from carriers and the like will still be munching on you (side note do drones make it stronger?)
The main gripe I have with it the -50% scan resolution, it completely nukes your lock time, its like having 3 unscripted and bonused t2 sensor damps on you personally, at all times. I lied :o
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Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
337
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Posted - 2012.05.25 04:47:00 -
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This module is simply an ECM burst with no crap range The skilful employer of men will employ the wise man, the brave man, the covetous man, and the stupid man. Sun Tzu localectomy.blogspot.com.au
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XNordak BalremX
Reprisal. Infernal Creations
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Posted - 2012.05.26 07:59:00 -
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I attempted to use this in conjunction with 5 ECM bursts... It didn't do anything and I lasted about 2 sec vs 11 gate campers |

Misato Katsuragi
Insidious Design
29
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Posted - 2012.05.26 08:35:00 -
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Anyone tried this against POS guns? Out of curiosity... |

Copine Callmeknau
Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
171
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Posted - 2012.05.26 08:52:00 -
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Sradoc wrote:Michael Harari wrote:Sradoc wrote:mxzf wrote:Tamiya Sarossa wrote:I'm pretty sure it's aimed at large fleet battles, not helping you break NPC tackles. Get it tested in a proper fleet fight with 500+ people and then get back to us?
EDIT: and to be honest the Black Ops and Marauder inclusion is probably for consistency since they're the only other BS-class ships out there, not out of any misplaced hope that they'll frequently fit them. It would be more odd if they couldn't, tbh. This. The module is designed for "Oh, crap, I'm primary in the fleet fight. Start spamming warp and activate this thing to warp away and live". It's not designed for breaking the lock of tackle rats, or PvE at all. It's a PvP module (specifically for large fleet fights), any PvE use is purely coincidental. tl;dr: Stop complaining about something not working as you expect it to when you're using it wrong. I seriously doubt you've even attempted to use this mod. And if you have, you haven't seriously used it in a fleet battle of 500+ people. And if you have you are lying about it being useful in such a situation. You havent tested it there either. If 18 people has a 33% break rate, than 500 people should be quite a bit higher, making this very useful in certain fleets. I have tested it, and I provided my parameters for the test. If you can test it with 500+ people (and prove it) I'll listen to something you may have to say. Other than that, you have nothing to provide that's useful. Hey I tested a module too! ECM, I figure if I fill my scorp with ECM I will be invincible in mission because I can just jam all the enemy NPC all the time
Except when I tested it I found that it didn't really work
Here's how I think the dev conversation went: Dev1: HURR DURR I R MAKINGS MODULE! Dev2: LAWL WUT IT DO? Dev1: IT DOES NOTHING OF COURSE! I CALLS IT EE SEA EM Dev2: DELICIOUS! SHALL WE MAKE USELESS SHIPS TO GO WITH IT?? Dev1: YUS! LET US MAKE THE SHIPS OF USELESSNESS!
And now we have falcon, rook, and scorpion. These ships SUCK and are totally USELESS because they are bonussedified to ECM, a useless module of does-nothing that doesn't win me missions good.
I tested it so it are fact
/troll
Try using light drones to kill frig tacklers instead of modules that are clearly designed for PvP. nub /flame There should be a rather awesome pic here |

Sradoc
Space Road Truckers. Sev3rance
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Posted - 2012.06.17 12:38:00 -
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Copine Callmeknau wrote:[ Hey I tested a module too! ECM, I figure if I fill my scorp with ECM I will be invincible in mission because I can just jam all the enemy NPC all the time
Except when I tested it I found that it didn't really work
Here's how I think the dev conversation went: Dev1: HURR DURR I R MAKINGS MODULE! Dev2: LAWL WUT IT DO? Dev1: IT DOES NOTHING OF COURSE! I CALLS IT EE SEA EM Dev2: DELICIOUS! SHALL WE MAKE USELESS SHIPS TO GO WITH IT?? Dev1: YUS! LET US MAKE THE SHIPS OF USELESSNESS!
And now we have falcon, rook, and scorpion. These ships SUCK and are totally USELESS because they are bonussedified to ECM, a useless module of does-nothing that doesn't win me missions good.
I tested it so it are fact
/troll
Try using light drones to kill frig tacklers instead of modules that are clearly designed for PvP. nub /flame
You now know that ECM doesn't work with NPC. Well done. :D
And if you need this mod to deal with NPC frigs you have bigger issues. |

mama guru
Evolution The Retirement Club
46
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Posted - 2012.06.17 14:53:00 -
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It is a useful mod, pop it when yellow boxed and broadcast for reps and damage gets cut by 50%. I've survived being primiraried by 100 + battleships long before this mod was added and there is no way in hell this mod is Useless. ______
EVE online is the fishermans friend of MMO's. If it's too hard you are too weak. |

Fronkfurter McSheebleton
Inglorious Waffles
99
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Posted - 2012.06.17 15:51:00 -
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Sradoc wrote:
You now know that ECM doesn't work with NPC. Well done. :D
This isn't entirely true... Triple rep Myrms are like what you'd get if you strapped a beehive to Robocop. |

Minamel
Stardust Heavy Industries Persona Non Gratis
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Posted - 2012.07.06 09:36:00 -
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XNordak BalremX wrote:I attempted to use this in conjunction with 5 ECM bursts... It didn't do anything and I lasted about 2 sec vs 11 gate campers
You know that you only can use one ECM Burst?
For me the breaker looks promising, but all depends from the break chance in big fights.
If the chance increase with involved ships it has to be desinged for large fleet fights. In large fleet fights u usally get reps from 10 logistics, this will not work if you would break their locks. In fleetfights you will usally shoot stuff this will not work if you hav -50% scan resolution.
You cant just reduce damage with this module because if you break 50% of enemys locks and 50% of your logistics locks the incoming damage should stay the same..
So what you can do? The only thing that could maybe make sense for me is to fly a battleship that need no rep and need not to target someone.
So a heavy tanked suicide smartbomb ecm burst battleship that is warped @zero into the hostile fleet to die.
If you are primaried by 100 ships and the break chance is near 100% every 9 seconds this could be a fun thing to use. If the break chance is too low this module shoud be useless as long as it breaks the lock of your logistics too because after all you die in seconds from 50 ships as you die in seconds from 100 ships. |

Proxay
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
12
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Posted - 2012.08.26 13:59:00 -
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This is a terrible module, it destroys any element of solo or small gang PVP against a battleship, here is why:
I was out hunting with a corpmate in Syndicate. We were both in Cynabals.
We were spending a bit of time potting about the Orvolle gate in PF-, to our surprise, a Scorpion Navy Issue jumped solo into PF-.
He cloaked.
We spent a while trying to decloak but couldn't get a good bead on him, so we waited. He eventually decloaked, and aligned. I pointed him, and he activated his TARGET SPECTRUM BREAKER. This broke my lock and he warped away.
"what the **** was that". Not to be left wondering, we made quickly into the direction he fled, we were not letting this prey get away.
We chased him to his destination gate. Our Cynabals landed near him (9km away), wherein he cloaked. I moved in quickly and de-cloaked his ship, thinking "AHA WE GOT YOU NOW". No.
He sat there, wouldn't shoot back at us or anything, no no no. He just left that module cycling, breaking one of our locks at a time, while the other would re-lock and attempt to engage the scram again / or bump his alignment, he'd break their lock not long after.
This continued until he was in 1/4 shield, where we both lost lock, and he was aligned, and warped out.
He did not fire a shot back, he just sat there, cycling his stupid TARGET SPECTRUM BREAKER.
How are you meant to pin a battleship down if he can just cycle this 'GET OUT' button until it eventually clicks onto his favour and he can escape.
Issues with module:
- Cycles too quickly .
- No range limit
- Cap usage isn't high enough
- Doesn't require charges
- Chance rate isn't displayed clearly in item info - no way to 'improve' odds as an aggressor.
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How we could've stopped him escaping?
- More people? - that's a load of bullshit though, all the ******* ratting scrubs are going to amass in the belts and plexes of EVE sporting this magical 'anti-ganker' button. What a piece of ****.
- Bump better? - I'm pretty ******* good at bumping if I do say so myself, but it takes me about 10 seconds to turn around and gain significant enough speed to bump again. In that time he could realign.
I don't know... this module needs some serious revision. It is not small-gang / soloist friendly. It's too easy for battleships to run off.
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Marcus Gideon
Federal Defense Operations Gentlemen's Interstellar Nightclub
25
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Posted - 2012.08.26 15:33:00 -
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Just drive through him next time... |

Proxay
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2012.08.26 16:04:00 -
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Marcus Gideon wrote:Just drive through him next time... THIS GUY. THIS GUY IS FUNNY Loading signature... |

Hrett
Justified Chaos
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Posted - 2012.08.26 17:31:00 -
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Proxay wrote:This is a terrible module, it destroys any element of solo or small gang PVP against a battleship, here is why: I was out hunting with a corpmate in Syndicate. We were both in Cynabals. We were spending a bit of time potting about the Orvolle gate in PF-, to our surprise, a Scorpion Navy Issue jumped solo into PF-. He cloaked. We spent a while trying to decloak but couldn't get a good bead on him, so we waited. He eventually decloaked, and aligned. I pointed him, and he activated his TARGET SPECTRUM BREAKER. This broke my lock and he warped away. "what the **** was that". Not to be left wondering, we made quickly into the direction he fled, we were not letting this prey get away. We chased him to his destination gate. Our Cynabals landed near him (9km away), wherein he cloaked. I moved in quickly and de-cloaked his ship, thinking "AHA WE GOT YOU NOW". No. He sat there, wouldn't shoot back at us or anything, no no no. He just left that module cycling, breaking one of our locks at a time, while the other would re-lock and attempt to engage the scram again / or bump his alignment, he'd break their lock not long after. This continued until he was in 1/4 shield, where we both lost lock, and he was aligned, and warped out. He did not fire a shot back, he just sat there, cycling his stupid TARGET SPECTRUM BREAKER. How are you meant to pin a battleship down if he can just cycle this 'GET OUT' button until it eventually clicks onto his favour and he can escape. Issues with module:
- Cycles too quickly .
- No range limit
- Cap usage isn't high enough
- Doesn't require charges
- Chance rate isn't displayed clearly in item info - no way to 'improve' odds as an aggressor.
-- How we could've stopped him escaping?
- More people? - that's a load of bullshit though, all the ******* ratting scrubs are going to amass in the belts and plexes of EVE sporting this magical 'anti-ganker' button. What a piece of ****.
- Bump better? - I'm pretty ******* good at bumping if I do say so myself, but it takes me about 10 seconds to turn around and gain significant enough speed to bump again. In that time he could realign.
I don't know... this module needs some serious revision. It is not small-gang / soloist friendly. It's too easy for battleships to run off.
You sure he wasnt using an ECM burst? I have trouble believing the TSB landed so often with just 2 of you. I'm probably typing on an iPad, which means the auto-correct is silly and fixing typos is a pain. I ain't fixing them. |

Emperor Ryan
The Illuminatii Mildly Intoxicated
37
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Posted - 2012.08.27 09:06:00 -
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Tamiya Sarossa wrote:I'm pretty sure it's aimed at large fleet battles, not helping you break NPC tackles. Get it tested in a proper fleet fight with 500+ people and then get back to us?
EDIT: and to be honest the Black Ops and Marauder inclusion is probably for consistency since they're the only other BS-class ships out there, not out of any misplaced hope that they'll frequently fit them. It would be more odd if they couldn't, tbh.
As Intelligent as that may sound, You wouldn't use Murders in big fleet fights, Especially due to price, Lower base Hp, and You also need ECCM for them.
and You wouldn't use it on Black Ops because For example the redeemer starts with 6k base amour the geddon has much more, they dont have the EHP for such scale battles. Not to mention you'd be screwing your buddies over to since it's not a remote ECM which would be somewhat useful over hey lets make it so all my friends shooting the target lose their lock! |

Irregessa
Obfuscation and Reflections
6
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Posted - 2012.09.11 15:50:00 -
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Since the devs are posting all sorts of stuff for the winter expansion, I thought I would start a thread about this orphaned module, and found this thread.
So, the plan was to make them usable on all non-capital ships. What all happened to that? Admittedly it isn't that pressing an issue, as the module itself isn't very effective. I tried it out a while back on a bait Domi vs. about 35 reds in nullsec. If it broke an appreciable number of the locks per cycle (and my character has the skill trained to 3), I didn't notice it.
Now I have a container in station with 60+ 50 run bpcs for this thing from what I have just looted myself. Will this module be made remotely useful? |
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