So I tried this module, and found it to be extremely impotent. CCP stated that in order for this to be effective you need "A LOT" of active aggressors. I tested it with 18, and that only consistently yielded a 33% success rate, oddly though 100% of the time my lock was broken.

So even if 33% is reasonable, the major issue I had with this is the fact that the NPCs that you'll most likely want to 'lock break' are tacklers...and these have a pretty darn high scan res.

On top of that, the mod is designed for a mid slot. Now, if you're going to fit this to a Blops, or Marauder you'd want this in a high slot. As there is room to spare when doing PVE. For a Battleship, maybe... the point is, the med slot this mod takes up hinders your tank and if properly fit you wouldn't need this mod anyway.

So, I like to come up with a thought process of a person or group of people when I see something that falls short/fails epically. So here goes:

Enter Guy 1 and Guy 2:

Guy 1: "Hey, lets have a meeting to discuss the idea of a 'lock breaker mod'!"

Guy 2: "Sure, lets make this mod ONLY available to Battle Ships...their size makes them really easy to target by tacklers. So lets add a minor inconvenience for those small ships with high scan resolution."

Guy 1: "Great idea! Now lets make it so it will break your own lock too, but penalize your scan res so re-locking your target is SUPER difficult."

Guy 2: "Love it! Should we set this up so it makes your tank worse by making it a mid slot item? Rather than using a high slot?"

Guy 1: "Of course!! Better yet, lets allow Marauders to use it too...they have free high slots that should be used for tractor beams."

Guy 2: "Now that you mention it, Black Ops could do well with this. They already get a penalty to scan res from their cloak, and have a poor tank to start off with. Lets set it up so they can attempt to PvE!"

Guy 1: "But wouldn't Black Ops use this in PvP, since that's sort of their thing?"

Guy 2: "Nah, the effectiveness is terrible for a small group of PvPer and will only keep the black ops from fighting back."

Guy 1: "Great! Should we have a follow up meeting with other intelligent people and get feedback from the community?"

Guy 2: "Nah, lets just load it and get back to work with making awesome turret animations."

Exit Guy 1 and Guy 2 from their adjacent bathroom stalls.

I'm pretty sure it's aimed at large fleet battles, not helping you break NPC tackles. Get it tested in a proper fleet fight with 500+ people and then get back to us?

EDIT: and to be honest the Black Ops and Marauder inclusion is probably for consistency since they're the only other BS-class ships out there, not out of any misplaced hope that they'll frequently fit them. It would be more odd if they couldn't, tbh.

This. The module is designed for "Oh, crap, I'm primary in the fleet fight. Start spamming warp and activate this thing to warp away and live". It's not designed for breaking the lock of tackle rats, or PvE at all. It's a PvP module (specifically for large fleet fights), any PvE use is purely coincidental.

tl;dr: Stop complaining about something not working as you expect it to when you're using it wrong.

I seriously doubt you've even attempted to use this mod. And if you have, you haven't seriously used it in a fleet battle of 500+ people. And if you have you are lying about it being useful in such a situation.

You havent tested it there either. If 18 people has a 33% break rate, than 500 people should be quite a bit higher, making this very useful in certain fleets.

You havent tested it there either. If 18 people has a 33% break rate, than 500 people should be quite a bit higher, making this very useful in certain fleets.

This. The module is designed for "Oh, crap, I'm primary in the fleet fight. Start spamming warp and activate this thing to warp away and live".

PVE

lol

stopped reading at npc. Herp.

Yeah, I tested it with players first...but CCP said I needed to have "A LOT". Well, where can you find "A LOT" of ships to lock you? Derp Derp

You could go to VFK

any PvE use is purely coincidental.

You mean like how one intended use is on marauders?
How does that make sense?

Yeah, I tested it with players first...but CCP said I needed to have "A LOT". Well, where can you find "A LOT" of ships to lock you? Derp Derp

I'm pretty sure it's aimed at large fleet battles, not helping you break NPC tackles. Get it tested in a proper fleet fight with 500+ people and then get back to us?

EDIT: and to be honest the Black Ops and Marauder inclusion is probably for consistency since they're the only other BS-class ships out there, not out of any misplaced hope that they'll frequently fit them. It would be more odd if they couldn't, tbh.

Note: Will affect all targeting computers, including those of friendly vessels and of the host ship itself.



What's this thing do to other ships in your fleet as far as their ability to target the enemy? Also, due to the 50% scan res hit you take for fitting this, I just don't see this being used in fleets unless your talking disco fleets.

This module is more of a GTFO for a solo travel fit or disco bs.

When I first saw this on the test server I misunderstood it and thought great how does the game need more ecm. But what it really is is a gtfo option to possibly avoid being alpha'd by artillery module. Now I have not tested it in a fleet battle. But I'm sure it will get tested in this way.

So there you are with an overview of yellow boxes. You could hit it at that moment and congrats when they do turn red you may survive the first volley as quite possibly a majority of the enemy may not realize that they lost target on you when you were the secondary or tertiary. They may be stuck trying to reaquire you as a target while your logis are enjoying a chance to rehabilitate your hp or you are already warping out.

Alternately, sometimes in fleet fights you can guage when your numbers been picked. Not every yellow box becomes a red box at the exact same instant. So oh look on your watch list or over comms someone in your fleet just went down and you just saw a couple yellows turn red. Click. Now fewer yellows in overview can start turning red. Again this may or may not be enough to allow warp out or your logis to pull you back.

Tbh, this probably beats the alternative of nerfing artillery alpha in a lot of people's minds. I still think alpha and slowed rof on arty was overdone, but this is a creative solution to the alpha fleet problem. So I have to commend CCP on this one despite my initial horror at seeing what looked like a new ecm module.

And, OP, this was obviously not intended as a pve module. I think the inclusion of Marauders was simply to include all BS classes in the ability to use it for consistency sake.

So, as for pvp whether it will indeed perform as intended we will know in a month or a few weeks or so. I don't think balls will have anything to do with a decision to fit it. It will boil down to whether it can actually paritally counter an alpha fleet- whether it performs as a percent chance to survive an alpha from the get go, or instead operates as a method to speed up the threshhold of reaching a point where your fleet has killed enough alpha maels to no longer die instantly to the alpha strike. Will be interesting to see if it's stats as presently set work as intended, or not enough or too much and whether it gets altered once it has become apparent which is the situation.

edit- There you go CCP. Here's some overdue praise for your introduction of this module. o7 I'm ashamed of my flame post in the test server thread.

edit 2- also, OP, you seem to think there is no tank but a mid slot tank. There are ships that low slot tank. And their logis reps activate at the end of the cycle so putting it as a mid slot is fine. Other than a DC or armor hardeners I'm presently drawing a blank as to any other active low slot item. This mod obviously need to be highly energized like most ewar (all midslot) to have an effect, and thus it is midslot.

As someone whose name starts with a C, I could see fitting this on a fleet ship.

i am thinking this mod would do nicely on a domi fleet...

I think maybe the best use of this mod (so far that I've figured) would be if you're doing sites in low/null sec. Say you have 30+ NPCs, and then a lone bomber or recon hot drops you. Well now you have 30+ what ever they bring in. The mod all of a sudden becomes a lot more useful.

It may break the lock of the PvPers and/or allow the NPCs to retarget the aggressing fleet.

Makes sense, especially for Marauders.

Makes sense, especially for Marauders.

You really want this mod to fit on a marauder...

Can anyone tell me if the modules has a X chance to break ALL locks, or for each individual lock a X chance to break it?

I tested my theory (anti site gank) in a null sec site, and had a buddy of mine warp in as if he was going to tackle me for a red fleet.

Did it 5 times, and I had a 0% success rate at getting out of there 'alive'. And, actually a couple times I almost lost my ship because I only broke 3 of the 20 NPCs lock, but never the test tackle.

Then my buddy proposed "ok, now let me try it in a dictor"...yeah, idea crushed.

I fit a armor BS, but chewing up the mid slot I'd normally have for boosters I couldn't run the reppers...so whom ever it was that said the mid slot doesn't affect the armor tank needs to give it a go. It DOES hurt the tank, seriously.

Sooo, I wouldn't say using this mod to avoid being ganked doing null sec sites is a good idea.

This mod, from what I can see is for the hardcore care bear who needs to have maybe 3 seconds of 5% less dps because they weren't aligned out.

I've tested all I can stand with this thing, I hope others don't die a horrible death (unless it's me killing you) while you use it.

http://jestertrek.blogspot.com/2012/05/well-thats-about-same.html

This module fails.

Why can't CCP just implement aoe on ship destruction in null. What's wrong with the tried and true method of blob control in every other game that it's not good enough for Eve?

might as well fit warp stabs while your at it and gimp your ship even more and go down like a true carebear.

The no BPO thing was a terrible idea on CCPs part though, not sure what they were thinking.

I have tested it, and I provided my parameters for the test. If you can test it with 500+ people (and prove it) I'll listen to something you may have to say.

Other than that, you have nothing to provide that's useful.

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Hey I tested a module too!
ECM, I figure if I fill my scorp with ECM I will be invincible in mission because I can just jam all the enemy NPC all the time

Except when I tested it I found that it didn't really work

Here's how I think the dev conversation went:
Dev1: HURR DURR I R MAKINGS MODULE!
Dev2: LAWL WUT IT DO?
Dev1: IT DOES NOTHING OF COURSE! I CALLS IT EE SEA EM
Dev2: DELICIOUS! SHALL WE MAKE USELESS SHIPS TO GO WITH IT??
Dev1: YUS! LET US MAKE THE SHIPS OF USELESSNESS!

And now we have falcon, rook, and scorpion. These ships SUCK and are totally USELESS because they are bonussedified to ECM, a useless module of does-nothing that doesn't win me missions good.

I tested it so it are fact

/troll

Try using light drones to kill frig tacklers instead of modules that are clearly designed for PvP.
nub
/flame

You now know that ECM doesn't work with NPC. Well done. :D

I attempted to use this in conjunction with 5 ECM bursts... It didn't do anything and I lasted about 2 sec vs 11 gate campers

Just drive through him next time...

This is a terrible module, it destroys any element of solo or small gang PVP against a battleship, here is why:

I was out hunting with a corpmate in Syndicate. We were both in Cynabals.

We were spending a bit of time potting about the Orvolle gate in PF-, to our surprise, a Scorpion Navy Issue jumped solo into PF-.

He cloaked.

We spent a while trying to decloak but couldn't get a good bead on him, so we waited. He eventually decloaked, and aligned. I pointed him, and he activated his TARGET SPECTRUM BREAKER.
This broke my lock and he warped away.

"what the **** was that".
Not to be left wondering, we made quickly into the direction he fled, we were not letting this prey get away.

We chased him to his destination gate. Our Cynabals landed near him (9km away), wherein he cloaked.
I moved in quickly and de-cloaked his ship, thinking "AHA WE GOT YOU NOW". No.

He sat there, wouldn't shoot back at us or anything, no no no. He just left that module cycling, breaking one of our locks at a time, while the other would re-lock and attempt to engage the scram again / or bump his alignment, he'd break their lock not long after.

This continued until he was in 1/4 shield, where we both lost lock, and he was aligned, and warped out.

He did not fire a shot back, he just sat there, cycling his stupid TARGET SPECTRUM BREAKER.

How are you meant to pin a battleship down if he can just cycle this 'GET OUT' button until it eventually clicks onto his favour and he can escape.

Issues with module:

• Cycles too quickly .
• No range limit
• Cap usage isn't high enough
• Doesn't require charges
• Chance rate isn't displayed clearly in item info - no way to 'improve' odds as an aggressor.

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How we could've stopped him escaping?

• More people? - that's a load of bullshit though, all the ******* ratting scrubs are going to amass in the belts and plexes of EVE sporting this magical 'anti-ganker' button. What a piece of ****.
• Bump better? - I'm pretty ******* good at bumping if I do say so myself, but it takes me about 10 seconds to turn around and gain significant enough speed to bump again. In that time he could realign.

I don't know... this module needs some serious revision. It is not small-gang / soloist friendly. It's too easy for battleships to run off.

I'm pretty sure it's aimed at large fleet battles, not helping you break NPC tackles. Get it tested in a proper fleet fight with 500+ people and then get back to us?

EDIT: and to be honest the Black Ops and Marauder inclusion is probably for consistency since they're the only other BS-class ships out there, not out of any misplaced hope that they'll frequently fit them. It would be more odd if they couldn't, tbh.