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Maqui
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Posted - 2004.10.03 11:52:00 -
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Well, to be honest I Think they're pure madness. This is concerning people who mine, buy minerals and manufacture on a more massive scale and try to stock one or several stations with all or nearly all T1 modules and ships.
Here's my concern: The maximum of sell orders will be 160. This will take months to train up for. This person would need several selling alts to be able to sttock just ONE station, let alone several.
In my opinion, wholesale is far from 16, it should be more like 50-100 more sell orders per level (like empire control ,which allows 500 or so members more per level, being the 3rd specialization skill in corp member amount, like wholesale is the 3rd specialization skill in sell orders per level)
Any thougts?
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Maqui
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Posted - 2004.10.03 11:52:00 -
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Well, to be honest I Think they're pure madness. This is concerning people who mine, buy minerals and manufacture on a more massive scale and try to stock one or several stations with all or nearly all T1 modules and ships.
Here's my concern: The maximum of sell orders will be 160. This will take months to train up for. This person would need several selling alts to be able to sttock just ONE station, let alone several.
In my opinion, wholesale is far from 16, it should be more like 50-100 more sell orders per level (like empire control ,which allows 500 or so members more per level, being the 3rd specialization skill in corp member amount, like wholesale is the 3rd specialization skill in sell orders per level)
Any thougts?
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Shevar
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Posted - 2004.10.03 11:55:00 -
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How many orders can one do without skills? If that is below 50 ill be seriously annoyed....
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Shevar
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Posted - 2004.10.03 11:55:00 -
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How many orders can one do without skills? If that is below 50 ill be seriously annoyed....
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Tuwile Naldai
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Posted - 2004.10.03 11:57:00 -
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I'll be glad to see a reduction in the number of rediculous buy orders. I can see how it might affect other people though.
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Tuwile Naldai
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Posted - 2004.10.03 11:57:00 -
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I'll be glad to see a reduction in the number of rediculous buy orders. I can see how it might affect other people though.
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Maqui
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Posted - 2004.10.03 11:58:00 -
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My guess would be that without skills you can't place any sell orders.
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Maqui
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Posted - 2004.10.03 11:58:00 -
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My guess would be that without skills you can't place any sell orders.
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Maqui
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Posted - 2004.10.03 12:01:00 -
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 Originally by: Tuwile Naldai
I'll be glad to see a reduction in the number of rediculous buy orders. I can see how it might affect other people though.
Indeed, I too will be glad to see a reduction in that. But that doesn't take away they hurt other people too much. The time it takes to specialize to the wholesale skill takes so much time, people who place rediculous buy orders won't even bother. This is why I think the wholesale should allow MUCH more sell orders per skill level.
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Maqui
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Posted - 2004.10.03 12:01:00 -
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Originally by: Tuwile Naldai
I'll be glad to see a reduction in the number of rediculous buy orders. I can see how it might affect other people though.
Indeed, I too will be glad to see a reduction in that. But that doesn't take away they hurt other people too much. The time it takes to specialize to the wholesale skill takes so much time, people who place rediculous buy orders won't even bother. This is why I think the wholesale should allow MUCH more sell orders per skill level.
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Shevar
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Posted - 2004.10.03 12:07:00 -
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Basicly I NEED to have to have access to 50 orders....
And I'm NOT gonna train up weeks to be able of doing that, making it a skill to put even orders up is silly, if they would require a few weeks training to put up 500+ orders sure but ahwell I guess I'll wait till the tuesday shiva test before I activate my flame cannons fully, untill then I'll just prepare some napalm.
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Shevar
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Posted - 2004.10.03 12:07:00 -
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Basicly I NEED to have to have access to 50 orders....
And I'm NOT gonna train up weeks to be able of doing that, making it a skill to put even orders up is silly, if they would require a few weeks training to put up 500+ orders sure but ahwell I guess I'll wait till the tuesday shiva test before I activate my flame cannons fully, untill then I'll just prepare some napalm.
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Lord Anubis
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Posted - 2004.10.03 12:36:00 -
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i personaly think it is a good move as im am so fed up with seeing bogus buy and sell orders. To those that disagree with it all i can say is live with it as its a system we are all having to use...... pluss with the new charges and taxs would u want to make a lot of bogus buy orders in hopes that some one well go for it
You cant beat Death
But you can make the bastard work hard for it
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Lord Anubis
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Posted - 2004.10.03 12:36:00 -
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i personaly think it is a good move as im am so fed up with seeing bogus buy and sell orders. To those that disagree with it all i can say is live with it as its a system we are all having to use...... pluss with the new charges and taxs would u want to make a lot of bogus buy orders in hopes that some one well go for it
You cant beat Death
But you can make the bastard work hard for it
wtb Jerek Zuomi's Insignia |
Athule Snanm
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Posted - 2004.10.03 12:58:00 -
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Edited by: Athule Snanm on 03/10/2004 13:01:36
Originally by: Shevar
How many orders can one do without skills? If that is below 50 ill be seriously annoyed....
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You should be thankful that you've got plenty of time to train up. And the base level needs to be a lot less than 50 or they may as well not bother. There are a number of professions in EVE that can be perfectly, not just well, filled by completely AFK alts with minimal or restricted skills. Here's hoping that trading gets taken off that list with the new skills in Shiva.
Now if only they'd do the same with science...
Edit: and scoring good drugs really isn't that much of a problem  erm, I mean 
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Athule Snanm
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Posted - 2004.10.03 12:58:00 -
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Edited by: Athule Snanm on 03/10/2004 13:01:36
Originally by: Shevar
How many orders can one do without skills? If that is below 50 ill be seriously annoyed....
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-The only real drug problem is scoring real good drugs
You should be thankful that you've got plenty of time to train up. And the base level needs to be a lot less than 50 or they may as well not bother. There are a number of professions in EVE that can be perfectly, not just well, filled by completely AFK alts with minimal or restricted skills. Here's hoping that trading gets taken off that list with the new skills in Shiva.
Now if only they'd do the same with science...
Edit: and scoring good drugs really isn't that much of a problem erm, I mean
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2004.10.03 16:55:00 -
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Yep, forget the T1 market.
Don't forget the extra charges as well, which will eat any remaining profits.
I would imagine that fitting ships is going to become more annoying even in large systems, because you'll have to go and find even some of the more common lower priced T1 components.
"As far as I can tell, It doesn't matter who you are, If you can believe there's something worth fighting for " - Garbage, "Parade" |
Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2004.10.03 16:55:00 -
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Yep, forget the T1 market.
Don't forget the extra charges as well, which will eat any remaining profits.
I would imagine that fitting ships is going to become more annoying even in large systems, because you'll have to go and find even some of the more common lower priced T1 components.
"As far as I can tell, It doesn't matter who you are, If you can believe there's something worth fighting for " - Garbage, "Parade" |
S'Daria
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Posted - 2004.10.03 17:19:00 -
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I think the upgrade to the trade system is good and here's why:
1. Adding 'Trade' skills to the game is good for those who want to specialize in trading - a long-forgotten occupation.
2. The Trade skill is only a x1 skill to get 4x5=20 simultaneous orders.
3. The Retail skill is a x2 skill (needs Trade to 2).
4. The Marketing skill is a x3 skill (needs Trade to 2).
5. The Wholesale skill is x4 skill (needs Retail to 5 and Marketing to 2).
6. Many buy and sell orders are bogus orders for much more or less than items are really worth.
7. It works both ways...unless your competitors also are specializing in trading skills YOU can gain an advantage over them if you specializing and thus make more money.
Here's the order limit progression:
4 = Trade(1)
8 = Trade(2)
12 = Trade(3)
16 = Trade(4)
20 = Trade(5)
30 = Retail(1)
40 = Retail(2)
50 = Retail(3)
60 = Retail(4)
70 = Retail(5)
90 = Wholesale(1), Marketing(2)
110 = Wholesale(2)
130 = Wholesale(3)
150 = Wholesale(4)
170 = Wholesale(5)
Skills to learn (minimum to get Wholesale to 5):
Trade(x1) 1->2 (time: ~1.5 hours)
Retail(x2) 1->5 (time: 12-14 days)
Marketing(x3) 1->2 (time: ~3 hours)
Wholesale(x4) 1->5 (time: ~33 days)
Start training. In a month when Shiva comes out you should be able to do 130 orders.
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S'Daria
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Posted - 2004.10.03 17:19:00 -
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I think the upgrade to the trade system is good and here's why:
1. Adding 'Trade' skills to the game is good for those who want to specialize in trading - a long-forgotten occupation.
2. The Trade skill is only a x1 skill to get 4x5=20 simultaneous orders.
3. The Retail skill is a x2 skill (needs Trade to 2).
4. The Marketing skill is a x3 skill (needs Trade to 2).
5. The Wholesale skill is x4 skill (needs Retail to 5 and Marketing to 2).
6. Many buy and sell orders are bogus orders for much more or less than items are really worth.
7. It works both ways...unless your competitors also are specializing in trading skills YOU can gain an advantage over them if you specializing and thus make more money.
Here's the order limit progression:
4 = Trade(1)
8 = Trade(2)
12 = Trade(3)
16 = Trade(4)
20 = Trade(5)
30 = Retail(1)
40 = Retail(2)
50 = Retail(3)
60 = Retail(4)
70 = Retail(5)
90 = Wholesale(1), Marketing(2)
110 = Wholesale(2)
130 = Wholesale(3)
150 = Wholesale(4)
170 = Wholesale(5)
Skills to learn (minimum to get Wholesale to 5):
Trade(x1) 1->2 (time: ~1.5 hours)
Retail(x2) 1->5 (time: 12-14 days)
Marketing(x3) 1->2 (time: ~3 hours)
Wholesale(x4) 1->5 (time: ~33 days)
Start training. In a month when Shiva comes out you should be able to do 130 orders.
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Zubenelgenubi
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Posted - 2004.10.03 17:40:00 -
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The trade specialization is long over due imo. I've had trade and bartering skills maxed out for a long time as I always knew trade would one day be the specialist 'career' it should be.
The sooner players realise that jack-of-all-trade characters are a thing of the past - the better. Specialization is the future of EVE.
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Zubenelgenubi
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Posted - 2004.10.03 17:40:00 -
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The trade specialization is long over due imo. I've had trade and bartering skills maxed out for a long time as I always knew trade would one day be the specialist 'career' it should be.
The sooner players realise that jack-of-all-trade characters are a thing of the past - the better. Specialization is the future of EVE.
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Oveur
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Posted - 2004.10.03 17:51:00 -
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Not wanting to ruin this discussion since I'm interested in the opinions - so I won't bother with mine - I'm gonna add some facts so we more to base the discussion on:
- 22 people have more active market orders than the upcoming skill maximum
- 67 people have more than 100 active market orders AND less than the upcoming skill maximum
- Without the Trade skill you can have 5 active orders
- About 4800 have less than 100, where of only 124 people have more than 50 active marker orders.
The skills were based on these facts. To add to this, we can easily add "Megawholesale" and "Mega-Megawholesale" that increase the order cap even faster.
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Oveur
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Posted - 2004.10.03 17:51:00 -
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Not wanting to ruin this discussion since I'm interested in the opinions - so I won't bother with mine - I'm gonna add some facts so we more to base the discussion on:
- 22 people have more active market orders than the upcoming skill maximum
- 67 people have more than 100 active market orders AND less than the upcoming skill maximum
- Without the Trade skill you can have 5 active orders
- About 4800 have less than 100, where of only 124 people have more than 50 active marker orders.
The skills were based on these facts. To add to this, we can easily add "Megawholesale" and "Mega-Megawholesale" that increase the order cap even faster.
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I say hey sky, s'other say I won say, I pray to J I get the same ol' same ol. |
Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.10.03 17:57:00 -
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Quote:
Without the Trade skill you can have 5 active orders
We can set up sell orders remotely with Shiva, right?
What rank will the skill be?
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.10.03 17:57:00 -
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Quote:
Without the Trade skill you can have 5 active orders
We can set up sell orders remotely with Shiva, right?
What rank will the skill be?
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Sanjuro
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Posted - 2004.10.03 17:59:00 -
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Actually, according to the skill descriptions, the max number of orders would be 140.
4 = Trade(1)
8 = Trade(2)
12 = Trade(3)
16 = Trade(4)
20 = Trade(5)
28 = Retail(1)
36 = Retail(2)
44 = Retail(3)
52 = Retail(4)
60 = Retail(5)
76 = Wholesale(1), Marketing(2)
92 = Wholesale(2)
108 = Wholesale(3)
124 = Wholesale(4)
140 = Wholesale(5)
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Sanjuro
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Posted - 2004.10.03 17:59:00 -
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Actually, according to the skill descriptions, the max number of orders would be 140.
4 = Trade(1)
8 = Trade(2)
12 = Trade(3)
16 = Trade(4)
20 = Trade(5)
28 = Retail(1)
36 = Retail(2)
44 = Retail(3)
52 = Retail(4)
60 = Retail(5)
76 = Wholesale(1), Marketing(2)
92 = Wholesale(2)
108 = Wholesale(3)
124 = Wholesale(4)
140 = Wholesale(5)
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Maqui
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Posted - 2004.10.03 18:11:00 -
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Originally by: Oveur
we can easily add "Megawholesale" and "Mega-Megawholesale" that increase the order cap even faster.
If that skill would be added, I'm sure lots of people would be happy, including myself. Since it takes so long to train up for, I doubt people who don't put serious orders on the market (apart from not doing so with the tax thing involved) will train that long to put THAT many bad sell orders on the market. However on the other hand people who want to put this amount of orders on the market, would be able to without problems.
In short, I'm all for the mega- and mega-megawholesale
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Maqui
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Posted - 2004.10.03 18:11:00 -
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Originally by: Oveur
we can easily add "Megawholesale" and "Mega-Megawholesale" that increase the order cap even faster.
If that skill would be added, I'm sure lots of people would be happy, including myself. Since it takes so long to train up for, I doubt people who don't put serious orders on the market (apart from not doing so with the tax thing involved) will train that long to put THAT many bad sell orders on the market. However on the other hand people who want to put this amount of orders on the market, would be able to without problems.
In short, I'm all for the mega- and mega-megawholesale
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