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Garia666
Amarr T.H.U.G L.I.F.E Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2009.07.30 20:47:00 -
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This is seriously the most enoying feature yet on the contracting system. its about time it gets fixed.
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Avoida
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Posted - 2009.07.30 20:52:00 -
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Not until there is some means by which you can identify how much damage the crystal has taken without first having to equip it. The scams that would arise from people selling 0.99 damaged crystals through contracts would be epic.
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randomname4me
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Posted - 2009.07.30 20:53:00 -
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you mean fixed so you can contract your crystals that have one cycle left on them to a noob for full price?
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Garia666
Amarr T.H.U.G L.I.F.E Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2009.07.30 21:13:00 -
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Originally by: randomname4me you mean fixed so you can contract your crystals that have one cycle left on them to a noob for full price?
no but they can atleast contract them to your corp \ alliance \ ect ect.
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Rexthor Hammerfists
Rage of Inferno Minor Threat.
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Posted - 2009.07.30 21:16:00 -
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Id be happy enough to be able to get them out of a ship or destroy them via the assets window.
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Fon Revedhort
Monks of War Banzai Boyz
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Posted - 2009.07.30 21:27:00 -
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Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists Id be happy enough to be able to get them out of a ship or destroy them via the assets window.
QFT
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Sniper Wolf18
Gallente A Pretty Pony Princess General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2009.07.30 22:16:00 -
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CCP have stated that you first have to be able to spell crystal before they allow you to use this new and interesting feature! And to finish, thank you for reading my sig -------------------------------------------------- If you are still reading i would probably hav posted by now |
Enyalie
Minmatar Militaris Industries Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.07.30 22:24:00 -
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Originally by: Sniper Wolf18 CCP have stated that you first have to be able to spell crystal before they allow you to use this new and interesting feature!
You knew what he meant.
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Cre'tal
Eminent Disdain
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Posted - 2009.07.30 22:27:00 -
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You childish idiot. I'm pretty sure the OP was talking about Cristal.
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NeoNeTiC
LOCKDOWN. Cult of War
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Posted - 2009.07.30 22:30:00 -
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Leave me alone you big meanie. I don't want to buy your broken crystals. :(
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Cat o'Ninetails
Rancer Defence League
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Posted - 2009.07.31 00:14:00 -
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just let us repair them somehow is the easy answer lol
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Labratory Rat
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Posted - 2009.07.31 00:15:00 -
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Originally by: Garia666 no but they can at least contract them to your corp \ alliance \ ect ect.
I believe that you can group them in a courier contract.
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Rawr Cristina
Caldari Liberi Fatalius Exalted.
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Posted - 2009.07.31 00:30:00 -
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just an option to remotely remove charges would be nice. Not being able to contract a ship because it has damaged crystals loaded is kind of annoying...
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Garia666
Amarr T.H.U.G L.I.F.E Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2009.07.31 10:08:00 -
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Originally by: Labratory Rat
Originally by: Garia666 no but they can at least contract them to your corp \ alliance \ ect ect.
I believe that you can group them in a courier contract.
courier in the same station ? www.garia.net |
Tiny Tove
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Posted - 2009.07.31 10:44:00 -
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Originally by: Garia666
Originally by: Labratory Rat
Originally by: Garia666 no but they can at least contract them to your corp \ alliance \ ect ect.
I believe that you can group them in a courier contract.
courier in the same station ?
Are talking about using courier contracts to simulate sales contracts by means of deliberately opening the package?
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Garia666
Amarr T.H.U.G L.I.F.E Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2009.07.31 13:19:00 -
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well anoption as the missle bays have would be ok to.. just eject them from the ship. www.garia.net |
Abrazzar
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Posted - 2009.07.31 13:58:00 -
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Edited by: Abrazzar on 31/07/2009 13:58:37 Well, maybe add a warning if damaged items are in the contract. Something like:
"WARNING! This contract contains damaged items. Are you sure you are not getting screwed over?"
Similar when making the contract, so you don't accidentally add damaged stuff when you think everything's mint. -------- Ideas for: Mining
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Crazy Tasty
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2009.07.31 14:03:00 -
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Not just crystals, any damaged object. Or add some sort of remote repair feature. Beats flying an inordinate amount of jumps to repair 500isk of damage. ------ // This is by design. When a ship jumps through a gate, it clears all aggression. // - BH ******** Pew on gate, if it gets hot, jump through and Ctrl-Q. Game mechanic endorsed by CCP. |
Thea Arsoniztik
Red Tides Viewer Discretion Advised
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Posted - 2009.07.31 14:29:00 -
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Originally by: Rawr Cristina just an option to remotely remove charges would be nice. Not being able to contract a ship because it has damaged crystals loaded is kind of annoying...
Same with broken drones stored in the bay!
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Kaylan Jahlar
Minmatar Industrial Limited
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Posted - 2009.07.31 14:41:00 -
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Why in hell would you want to sell broken crystals? Furthermore, why in hell would I want to BUY a broken crystal in the first place?
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Borun Tal
Minmatar Virtual Rock Industries
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Posted - 2009.07.31 15:58:00 -
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Originally by: Kaylan Jahlar Why in hell would you want to sell broken crystals? Furthermore, why in hell would I want to BUY a broken crystal in the first place?
There's only one reason to sell broken crystals, and that's to scam. But that's OK in Eve, I guess.
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Rune v3nus
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Posted - 2009.07.31 16:18:00 -
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can you repair crystals in station?
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5pinDizzy
Amarr Caldari State 1st Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.07.31 16:20:00 -
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Originally by: Rune v3nus can you repair crystals in station?
You can't refine them, you can't repair them, you can't contract them, you can't see how damaged they are without fitting them to a weapon.
If you collect them from a destroyed enemy, they can be utterly useless to you as a form of loot.
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Rune v3nus
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Posted - 2009.07.31 16:25:00 -
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Originally by: 5pinDizzy
Originally by: Rune v3nus can you repair crystals in station?
You can't refine them, you can't repair them, you can't contract them, you can't see how damaged they are without fitting them to a weapon.
If you collect them from a destroyed enemy, they can be utterly useless to you as a form of loot.
CCP this is outrages ! make them atleast repairable. surely this is not hard to implent? but it would make it all alot more userfriendly.
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Sanctus Maleficus
Lambent Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.07.31 16:27:00 -
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The legitimate reason to be able to sell damaged Crystals is so you can do something with a ship thats a long ways away, possibly in a station you no longer have docking rights.
Its extremely annoying when I want to just quickly contract up some BC in some 0.0 where I no longer reside, but I can't, because of some T2 crystals that were fired once.
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Bob1025
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Posted - 2009.07.31 16:43:00 -
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if i'll ever see one of my cristals explode, then i might care, unless this consers the t1 variants, tbh i never understand wtf they are for since t2 are better, not much more expensive and ther's a tiny skill diff.
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CCP Explorer
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Posted - 2009.07.31 16:49:00 -
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Originally by: Garia666 This is seriously the most enoying feature yet on the contracting system. its about time it gets fixed.
This is intended, there is nothing broken in the contract system in this regard and there are currently no plans to change this.
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Vyktor Abyss
Gallente The Abyss Corporation Abyss Alliance
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Posted - 2009.07.31 17:02:00 -
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Completely agree it is very frustrating.
They junk up your hangar and can't be sold, reprocessed, repaired or contracted. As it stands you have to "donate them" via trade in station with someone or trash them if you don't use them yourself.
Intended...
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lolzrelgions
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Posted - 2009.07.31 17:10:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Explorer
Originally by: Garia666 This is seriously the most enoying feature yet on the contracting system. its about time it gets fixed.
This is intended, there is nothing broken in the contract system in this regard and there are currently no plans to change this.
They never said it was broken. Just because something is intended doesn't mean it is good.
The Logs, they show nothing
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Siona Windweaver
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Posted - 2009.07.31 17:11:00 -
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At least you guys don't have to deal with ammo's
I'll agree on the ability to destroy them via assets window though.
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wickedpheonix
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Posted - 2009.07.31 17:35:00 -
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Originally by: Crazy Tasty Not just crystals, any damaged object. Or add some sort of remote repair feature. Beats flying an inordinate amount of jumps to repair 500isk of damage.
QFT
Also would like to be able to contract a crystal that has only been damaged 1% in my hangar to my mining alt in same station so I don't have to make 100 jumps round trip. If CCP doesn't want to change the contract system for fear of what it does for PVP sales contracts then allow me to register a character as an alt of mine and allow remote trading between alts (preferable even if they DO do something about the contract system, since I don't need a broker - not like my own alt is going to rip me off LOL).
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Cory Sopapilla
Minmatar Kiroshi Group Exiliar Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.07.31 17:37:00 -
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Originally by: Siona Windweaver At least you guys don't have to deal with ammo's
I'll agree on the ability to destroy them via assets window though.
I wanna be able to reload my projectile ammo shells with broken crystal shards. T2 buckshot!
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Professor Slocombe
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Posted - 2009.07.31 17:46:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Explorer
Originally by: Garia666 This is seriously the most enoying feature yet on the contracting system. its about time it gets fixed.
This is intended, there is nothing broken in the contract system in this regard and there are currently no plans to change this.
Then that makes you, the devs, even more stupid and out of touch with your own game than you realised.
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CCP Explorer
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Posted - 2009.07.31 17:57:00 -
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Originally by: Professor Slocombe
Originally by: CCP Explorer
Originally by: Garia666 This is seriously the most enoying feature yet on the contracting system. its about time it gets fixed.
This is intended, there is nothing broken in the contract system in this regard and there are currently no plans to change this.
Then that makes you, the devs, even more stupid and out of touch with your own game than you realised.
Allowing damaged items to be contracted would benefit scammers. We do not intend to allow damaged items to be contracted.
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lolzrelgions
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Posted - 2009.07.31 18:00:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Explorer
Originally by: Professor Slocombe
Originally by: CCP Explorer
Originally by: Garia666 This is seriously the most enoying feature yet on the contracting system. its about time it gets fixed.
This is intended, there is nothing broken in the contract system in this regard and there are currently no plans to change this.
Then that makes you, the devs, even more stupid and out of touch with your own game than you realised.
Allowing damaged items to be contracted would benefit scammers. We do not intend to allow damaged items to be contracted.
Just wow....do you not understand the problems it causes to ppl who use crystals? If i want to send my Maelstrom to my friend i contract it over. If i want to send him my apoc i can't because it has broken crystals. Just have the crystals display thier damage level and let us make the contracts.
Sorry we don't all have magical transfer powers or the ability to just put items in other ppls hangers with voodoo
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5pinDizzy
Amarr Caldari State 1st Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.07.31 18:05:00 -
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Be a bit more respectful of the developers please when they are actually taking the time to discuss with us.
...even if explorer is only cherry picking and deflecting the easy arguments concerning crystals.
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fmercury
Queens of the Stone Age Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2009.07.31 18:06:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Explorer
Originally by: Professor Slocombe
Originally by: CCP Explorer
Originally by: Garia666 This is seriously the most enoying feature yet on the contracting system. its about time it gets fixed.
This is intended, there is nothing broken in the contract system in this regard and there are currently no plans to change this.
Then that makes you, the devs, even more stupid and out of touch with your own game than you realised.
Allowing damaged items to be contracted would benefit scammers. We do not intend to allow damaged items to be contracted.
So let them see how damaged it is in the contract? Or do you not trust people to think for themselves?
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Phantom Slave
JUDGE DREAD Inc.
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Posted - 2009.07.31 18:48:00 -
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Originally by: fmercury So let them see how damaged it is in the contract? Or do you not trust people to think for themselves?
CCP Just changed contracts so that they show how many million you're setting contracts to because it was so easy to scam people. You really think a 3 digit number (0.00) is going to stop scammers? It just gives them one more tool to spam into every major trade hub's local chat.
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Meridius Dex
Amarr Gunship Diplomacy
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Posted - 2009.07.31 19:16:00 -
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It's not the contract system that's the problem; the dev response here is correct.
The problem is the inability to either repair or individually reprocess damaged crystals. -- Meridius Dex Visit the Gunship Forums --
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Oarta
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Posted - 2009.07.31 19:48:00 -
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I can see how it would be a pain to deal with crystals from a remote location. But it would apply to any remote damaged item.
Repairing crystals, given how hard/long they actually take to destroy should be an option. They are a consumable item and should be consumed.
Reprocessing isn't viable either considering there is a fixed returned based on an item at 100% repair.
As for contracts, while it might be possible, I really don't want to have to go to yet another level of examination of goods to ensure they are all intact.
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Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2009.07.31 19:51:00 -
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Problem: Amarr Faction/T2 ammo cannot be contracted after any use. Compared to "normal" t2 ammo which can be contracted since each shot is an individual unit of ammo.
Solution: Change the ammo "Damage" to "shots remaining" and list this in contracts. _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
Originally by: CCP Fallout :facepalm:
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Isayo Arkindra
Mercurialis Inc. Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.07.31 19:55:00 -
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CCP: Why not just add .. "Hey - it looks like your crystals are damaged. We'll drop those on your hangar floor when you're setting up this contract" upon contract creation?
Easy fix, no scamming possible and it enables us to contract laser based ships. __________
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Cors
It's A Trap
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Posted - 2009.07.31 19:56:00 -
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how about crystals that are brand new, were put on a ship, then taken off. You can't contract those. You can't even stack the damned things. And each of them is 100%.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.07.31 19:59:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Explorer Allowing damaged items to be contracted would benefit scammers. We do not intend to allow damaged items to be contracted.
If the damage (if any) is clearly labeled on the contract item list (maybe in the first column), then it's a open-and-shut case of "caveat emptor", and not your responsability anymore. Besides, since when did you start hand-holding people ? It's not like you refuse labeling the contract containing 1 unit of Carbon as "Charon, extra cheap, 600 mil ISK"...
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Oarta
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Posted - 2009.07.31 20:06:00 -
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Originally by: Cors how about crystals that are brand new, were put on a ship, then taken off. You can't contract those. You can't even stack the damned things. And each of them is 100%.
Just tested what you explained and didn't have any issues. Was able to contract them and market them after putting them on a ship. (Just tested S Crystals on a frigate)
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Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2009.07.31 20:07:00 -
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Originally by: Oarta
Originally by: Cors how about crystals that are brand new, were put on a ship, then taken off. You can't contract those. You can't even stack the damned things. And each of them is 100%.
Just tested what you explained and didn't have any issues. Was able to contract them and market them after putting them on a ship. (Just tested S Crystals on a frigate)
Was it a T2/Faction crystal? _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
Originally by: CCP Fallout :facepalm:
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Shigsy
Neo Spartans Laconian Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.07.31 20:16:00 -
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It's pretty sad when CCP wont change a stupid "feature" because it "might benefit scammers".
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Awesome Possum
Insert Obscure Latin Name
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Posted - 2009.07.31 20:36:00 -
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pros and cons to all weapon systems, you get to switch between crystals in 2 seconds, you can't contract 'em.
sucks ♥
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Niccolado Starwalker
Shadow Templars
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Posted - 2009.07.31 20:43:00 -
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Originally by: Shigsy It's pretty sad when CCP wont change a stupid "feature" because it "might benefit scammers".
This is eve I'm playing, not Hello Kitty. Man up and change it.
no, it isnt. used/damaged goods dont have anything on the market to do! When i buy something, i buy it because it should be new! I don just want to wonder that the 10 mining crystals I just bought might only hold one cycle or not!
regarding the hello kitty comment.. This its bull****! yes, its a hardcore game, but its not neccesary doing stupid things either, that only favor the scammers!
Want to give the used items to your corp/Alliance? Dump it in the public part of your hangars!
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Baugoti
Amarr Middle Finger Technology
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Posted - 2009.07.31 20:48:00 -
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How about.. When you contract the ship with the damaged crystals.. the damaged crystals get destroyed.
That way, no damage crystal scams - and if someone really wants to contract the ship they have to lose the isk they spent on the crystals.
All we can do now is repackage the ship.. lose the rigs.. and contract everything but the crystals.
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Sherringford Hovis
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Posted - 2009.07.31 20:57:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Explorer Allowing damaged items to be contracted would benefit scammers. We do not intend to allow damaged items to be contracted.
Are you actually READING the thread? Your argument about contracting damaged goods while correct, is not relevant to the currently discussed problem.
You lot really are fecked when anything even remotely similiar comes out because your heads are so stuck up your own arses it is unbelievable.
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Niccolado Starwalker
Shadow Templars
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Posted - 2009.07.31 21:05:00 -
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Originally by: Sherringford Hovis
Originally by: CCP Explorer Allowing damaged items to be contracted would benefit scammers. We do not intend to allow damaged items to be contracted.
Are you actually READING the thread? Your argument about contracting damaged goods while correct, is not relevant to the currently discussed problem.
You lot really are fecked when anything even remotely similiar comes out because your heads are so stuck up your own arses it is unbelievable.
And you should really watch your mouth.
This have been the situation for..6 years!!! Why suddenly have EVE turned hello Kitty for something thats been ingame for so long!
no, i believe its your attitude that suddenly stinks taking this pathetic stand with such strong words!
Originally by: Dianabolic Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL |
Sherringford Hovis
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Posted - 2009.07.31 21:06:00 -
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Edited by: Sherringford Hovis on 31/07/2009 21:10:19
Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
Originally by: Sherringford Hovis
Originally by: CCP Explorer Allowing damaged items to be contracted would benefit scammers. We do not intend to allow damaged items to be contracted.
Are you actually READING the thread? Your argument about contracting damaged goods while correct, is not relevant to the currently discussed problem.
You lot really are fecked when anything even remotely similiar comes out because your heads are so stuck up your own arses it is unbelievable.
And you should really watch your mouth.
This have been the situation for..6 years!!! Why suddenly have EVE turned hello Kitty for something thats been ingame for so long!
no, i believe its your attitude that suddenly stinks taking this pathetic stand with such strong words!
And you are?
ps, don't tell people off for using strong words, who didn't use any asterisked out swear words, like, umm you for example. Look up the word hypocrite m'kay.
Back on topic, the issue here is not the mechanic or whether it is working as intended. The fact is the players don't WANT it to work in that way. How hard can it be to make it visible the damage of a mod? Also, another poster unintentionally made you look an ass mr know it all dev, by pointing out you cant even contract them if you fit then unfit.
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Infinion
Caldari Endless Destruction
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Posted - 2009.07.31 21:27:00 -
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Originally by: Sherringford Hovis Edited by: Sherringford Hovis on 31/07/2009 21:10:19
Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
Originally by: Sherringford Hovis
Originally by: CCP Explorer Allowing damaged items to be contracted would benefit scammers. We do not intend to allow damaged items to be contracted.
Are you actually READING the thread? Your argument about contracting damaged goods while correct, is not relevant to the currently discussed problem.
You lot really are fecked when anything even remotely similiar comes out because your heads are so stuck up your own arses it is unbelievable.
And you should really watch your mouth.
This have been the situation for..6 years!!! Why suddenly have EVE turned hello Kitty for something thats been ingame for so long!
no, i believe its your attitude that suddenly stinks taking this pathetic stand with such strong words!
And you are?
ps, don't tell people off for using strong words, who didn't use any asterisked out swear words, like, umm you for example. Look up the word hypocrite m'kay.
Back on topic, the issue here is not the mechanic or whether it is working as intended. The fact is the players don't WANT it to work in that way. How hard can it be to make it visible the damage of a mod? Also, another poster unintentionally made you look an ass mr know it all dev, by pointing out you cant even contract them if you fit then unfit.
one of the rules on this forum is to give constructive feedback while posting with respect towards other players.
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Terranid Meester
Tactical Assault and Recon Unit
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Posted - 2009.07.31 21:32:00 -
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Contract fresh crystals? Contract your ships with fresh crystals? A lot of moaning about a bunch of broken crystals. Scam with other items etc.
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2009.07.31 21:36:00 -
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Originally by: Avoida Not until there is some means by which you can identify how much damage the crystal has taken without first having to equip it. The scams that would arise from people selling 0.99 damaged crystals through contracts would be epic.
People would wise up and stop buying crystals on contracts, much as I'm not buying shellfish out of the trunk of a car.
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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Seishi Maru
The Black Dawn Gang
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Posted - 2009.07.31 21:38:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Explorer
Originally by: Professor Slocombe
Originally by: CCP Explorer
Originally by: Garia666 This is seriously the most enoying feature yet on the contracting system. its about time it gets fixed.
This is intended, there is nothing broken in the contract system in this regard and there are currently no plans to change this.
Then that makes you, the devs, even more stupid and out of touch with your own game than you realised.
Allowing damaged items to be contracted would benefit scammers. We do not intend to allow damaged items to be contracted.
so just make possible that when you contrat a laser ship all used crystals are removed from the ship automagically. As of now handling distant ammar ships is a PAIN!
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Deva Blackfire
D00M.
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Posted - 2009.07.31 21:38:00 -
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Originally by: Terranid Meester Contract fresh crystals? Contract your ships with fresh crystals? A lot of moaning about a bunch of broken crystals. Scam with other items etc.
You are stupid or playing one? Its not about scamming but actual logistics. If im not in the station, and want to give someone my BS to move via carrier i cant. I need to move my ass there, trade it and move back. Only because i have some used crystals in cargo bay.
Either enable contracting of broken items or... duh - let us REMOVE them from the ship. Why contract system allows to remove charges from guns yet it doesnt allow to remove charges from cargo bay?
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Grez
Neo Spartans Laconian Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.07.31 21:45:00 -
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Show damage in the "Show info" window. Allow them to be contracted.
Problem solved.
In fact, allow ALL damage goods to be sold - just show what's damaged. ---
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wickedpheonix
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Posted - 2009.07.31 21:50:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Explorer
Originally by: Professor Slocombe
Originally by: CCP Explorer
Originally by: Garia666 This is seriously the most enoying feature yet on the contracting system. its about time it gets fixed.
This is intended, there is nothing broken in the contract system in this regard and there are currently no plans to change this.
Then that makes you, the devs, even more stupid and out of touch with your own game than you realised.
Allowing damaged items to be contracted would benefit scammers. We do not intend to allow damaged items to be contracted.
Then give us a new system, like a remote trade system, but one where it can only be done with no money changing hands (in comparison to the current trade system, where money can be part of the deal). All we want is a way to remotely manage our assets between friends/corpies/alts who we KNOW aren't going to try to scam us out, so we don't need a broker.
In other words, please give us a remote non-secure transaction system.
The other ideas in this thread (like putting crystal damage in the contract) are good too.
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Lord WarATron
Amarr Shadow Reapers
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Posted - 2009.07.31 21:56:00 -
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Edited by: Lord WarATron on 31/07/2009 21:58:12 Edited by: Lord WarATron on 31/07/2009 21:57:18 My Zealot with which I got 331+ kills without a loss is stuck ina station in 9-9 for a year or two.
It can never ever be contracted because it fitted a crystal. The issue here is the ability to remove crystals and place them in your hanger remotely. Before someone says "Ha! Impossible" please remember what happens when you try to contract a ship with faction missles. Yep thats right - the contract system will unload the missiles from the weapon, thus solving the issue. --
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2009.07.31 22:01:00 -
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Originally by: Lord WarATron Edited by: Lord WarATron on 31/07/2009 21:58:12 Edited by: Lord WarATron on 31/07/2009 21:57:18 My Zealot with which I got 331+ kills without a loss is stuck ina station in 9-9 for a year or two.
It can never ever be contracted because it fitted a crystal. The issue here is the ability to remove crystals and place them in your hanger remotely. Before someone says "Ha! Impossible" please remember what happens when you try to contract a ship with faction missles. Yep thats right - the contract system will unload the missiles from the weapon, thus solving the issue.
In short, god hate the amarr.
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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Jenny' JoJo
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2009.07.31 22:03:00 -
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Originally by: Danton Marcellus
In short, god hate the amarr.
Somebody call me?
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Gibmundur
Amarr The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.07.31 22:06:00 -
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Make Crystals repairable or some **** plz, hate having hundreds of them cluttering my items window. kibb |
Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2009.07.31 22:08:00 -
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Originally by: Gibmundur Make Crystals repairable or some **** plz, hate having hundreds of them cluttering my items window.
How about we give the amarr ships a launcher slot where they can launch used crystals like clay pigeon missile decoys much like defenders?
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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Jenny' JoJo
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2009.07.31 22:09:00 -
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Originally by: Gibmundur Make Crystals repairable or some **** plz, hate having hundreds of them cluttering my items window.
CCP wants consumption of crystals so people will keep producing them. nothing wrong with that.
Just let people who contract to dispose of them or dump them in hanger. Its not a big problem or issue at all.
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Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2009.07.31 22:47:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny' JoJo
Originally by: Gibmundur Make Crystals repairable or some **** plz, hate having hundreds of them cluttering my items window.
CCP wants consumption of crystals so people will keep producing them. nothing wrong with that.
Just let people who contract to dispose of them or dump them in hanger. Its not a big problem or issue at all.
Oh jesus mary jacob and joseph please go away. We do not need a Re-Run of the Jonny JoJo crap that we went through a while back. That is one part of my memory of these forums i would rather forget sooner than remember. _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
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Mell Prime
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.07.31 23:02:00 -
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Wow, Devs got told in this tread. ---
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Nova Fox
Gallente Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2009.07.31 23:02:00 -
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why dont you just let us 'repair' the crystals then? of course do it at a far higher price than a usual brand new one.
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Jenny' JoJo
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2009.07.31 23:08:00 -
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Originally by: Blane Xero
Originally by: Jenny' JoJo
Originally by: Gibmundur Make Crystals repairable or some **** plz, hate having hundreds of them cluttering my items window.
CCP wants consumption of crystals so people will keep producing them. nothing wrong with that.
Just let people who contract to dispose of them or dump them in hanger. Its not a big problem or issue at all.
Oh jesus mary jacob and joseph please go away. We do not need a Re-Run of the Jonny JoJo crap that we went through a while back. That is one part of my memory of these forums i would rather forget sooner than remember.
JoJo got amarr fixed. Before Amarr were tottally useless. Now Amarr is decent.
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Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2009.07.31 23:14:00 -
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No, he didn't. The community as a whole along with CCP Got Amarr "Fixed". Jonny just spammed and insulted as many people as he could in the same sentence, taking other peoples idea's and thrashing them in their threads and then touting them as gospel in his own. He got his signature locked for insulting CCP and so he changed to a new character claiming to be a completely different person using the Same Old Signature that you now have. _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
Originally by: CCP Fallout :facepalm:
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Jenny' JoJo
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2009.07.31 23:17:00 -
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Originally by: Blane Xero No, he didn't. The community as a whole along with CCP Got Amarr "Fixed". Jonny just spammed and insulted as many people as he could in the same sentence, taking other peoples idea's and thrashing them in their threads and then touting them as gospel in his own. He got his signature locked for insulting CCP and so he changed to a new character claiming to be a completely different person using the Same Old Signature that you now have.
Nope. JoJo got Amarr fixed because he highlighted the fact Amarr was obsolete. The Devs then relised this and fixed the worst parts of Amarr. Remember that for 2 years, nothing was going to happen with amarr, and even the devs could not find anything wrong with Amarr till JoJo highlighted the key issues.
A lot of people got bittler, but thats life lol :)
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Muad' Dib
Gallente Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2009.07.31 23:17:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Explorer
Originally by: Garia666 This is seriously the most enoying feature yet on the contracting system. its about time it gets fixed.
This is intended, there is nothing broken in the contract system in this regard and there are currently no plans to change this.
It is intended for the old escrow system to be better than the 'new' Contract system ?
You guys either are playing stupid or are stupid ... take your pick. --- I smack just for myself.
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Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2009.07.31 23:22:00 -
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Originally by: Muad' Dib
Originally by: CCP Explorer
Originally by: Garia666 This is seriously the most enoying feature yet on the contracting system. its about time it gets fixed.
This is intended, there is nothing broken in the contract system in this regard and there are currently no plans to change this.
It is intended for the old escrow system to be better than the 'new' Contract system ?
You guys either are playing stupid or are stupid ... take your pick.
I'd take the old Escrow system over this new Contract system anyway. I miss Escrow. _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
Originally by: CCP Fallout :facepalm:
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Posted - 2009.07.31 23:24:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Explorer
Originally by: Professor Slocombe
Originally by: CCP Explorer
Originally by: Garia666 We do not intend to allow damaged items to be contracted.
kind sir, when was the last time you saw jita local/contracts?
/signed...refine the contract system so damaged items may be removed
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Muad' Dib
Gallente Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2009.07.31 23:24:00 -
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Originally by: Blane Xero
Originally by: Muad' Dib
Originally by: CCP Explorer
Originally by: Garia666 This is seriously the most enoying feature yet on the contracting system. its about time it gets fixed.
This is intended, there is nothing broken in the contract system in this regard and there are currently no plans to change this.
It is intended for the old escrow system to be better than the 'new' Contract system ?
You guys either are playing stupid or are stupid ... take your pick.
I'd take the old Escrow system over this new Contract system anyway. I miss Escrow.
Most of eve would take it. :( --- I smack just for myself.
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.08.01 01:17:00 -
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Whilst I might agree that not being able to contract damaged crystals is a bit annoying at times the arguments of omg I can't contract my lazor bs with used crystals in them is a bit bogus. Take them off after you dock up if you think you might have to contract the whole ship at some time. Not the moast elegant of solutions but at least its doable now and is about as much of a hassle as opening a door.
Originally by: Vaden Khale He's doing the moonwalk in HEE-hee-hell.
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Jenny' JoJo
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2009.08.01 01:30:00 -
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To re-iterate, all we are asking for is some ability for damage crystals to be removed from a contract and dumped in your hanger. This lets us contract that amarr lasership that made the mistake of fitting a navy crystal even though they never fired a single shot with it. The Crystal is undamaged but the game thinks it is for some unknown reason.
Or perhaps I need to make more CCP sigs first........
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Jenny' JoJo
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2009.08.01 01:32:00 -
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Edited by: Jenny'' JoJo on 01/08/2009 01:33:53
Originally by: Blane Xero He got his signature locked for insulting CCP and so he changed to a new character claiming to be a completely different person using the Same Old Signature that you now have.
The signatures that were locked were the ones using the Gantanamo Bay and West bank pictures in a Eve Contex. I have since removed them so its a non issue. I never claimed to be a new person, quite teh reverse since the JoJo Family lives on. Perhaps you assume too much?
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Hairygoagain
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Posted - 2009.08.01 02:48:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba Whilst I might agree that not being able to contract damaged crystals is a bit annoying at times the arguments of omg I can't contract my lazor bs with used crystals in them is a bit bogus. Take them off after you dock up if you think you might have to contract the whole ship at some time. Not the moast elegant of solutions but at least its doable now and is about as much of a hassle as opening a door.
And if the used crystals are in your cargo hold, the place that every other type of ammo is allowed to be when you contract a ship........
The problem is that crystals can't be contracted, because they are used/broken AND crystals can't be repaired. One of these needs to be changed....
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Kryss'tal
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Posted - 2009.08.01 02:55:00 -
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I'm broken?!?
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.08.01 03:03:00 -
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Originally by: Hairygoagain
Originally by: Zeba Whilst I might agree that not being able to contract damaged crystals is a bit annoying at times the arguments of omg I can't contract my lazor bs with used crystals in them is a bit bogus. Take them off after you dock up if you think you might have to contract the whole ship at some time. Not the moast elegant of solutions but at least its doable now and is about as much of a hassle as opening a door.
And if the used crystals are in your cargo hold, the place that every other type of ammo is allowed to be when you contract a ship........
The problem is that crystals can't be contracted, because they are used/broken AND crystals can't be repaired. One of these needs to be changed....
Well the whole point of using the workaround is to be able to contract your laser ship at any time. So why would you have put them in the cargohold? I'm not saying that some other solution doesn't need to be made but atm until a solution is made then that is your best bet to not get caught out 50 jumps away with a bs you want to contract is loaded with used crystals.
Originally by: Vaden Khale He's doing the moonwalk in HEE-hee-hell.
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Lucas Avidius
Einherjar Rising Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2009.08.01 06:14:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Explorer
Originally by: Professor Slocombe
Originally by: CCP Explorer
Originally by: Garia666 This is seriously the most enoying feature yet on the contracting system. its about time it gets fixed.
This is intended, there is nothing broken in the contract system in this regard and there are currently no plans to change this.
Then that makes you, the devs, even more stupid and out of touch with your own game than you realised.
Allowing damaged items to be contracted would benefit scammers. We do not intend to allow damaged items to be contracted.
Not allowing damaged items to be entered into the contract system is quite honestly one of the dumbest and short sighted game design decisions ever. Stuff takes damage all the time. Overheat a gun or a web or an armor repper or a hardener in combat, and it or any of the other items in its rack can get damaged and the player might not see it. Dock up in station, switch to a different ship and go out and dock somewhere else and suddenly you have no access to that asset because it has damage that you cant do anything about remotely. To compound the fun, maybe you didnt even notice it was damaged until your alliance lost the station its in. Hey, its a fully fitted whatevermobile. I cant get at it any more, but I could sell it to one of my enemies via contract and make a tidy profit, right? *Pthhhhhbt* No deal, somethings got DAMAGE that would take maybe a few k of isk to repair in an empire station, its soooo important that we protect people from damaged items!
Man up, show the damage, if its on an unrepairable item, highlight it in red or something and note "unrepairable" next to the hit point counter. Let the buyer beware. This is EVE, if they don't read the fine print they deserve a crystal that blows up after one shot.
Who the heck buys just crystals on contracts anyway?
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Areah Mar'khet
Amarr Ministry of War
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Posted - 2009.08.01 07:45:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba Whilst I might agree that not being able to contract damaged crystals is a bit annoying at times the arguments of omg I can't contract my lazor bs with used crystals in them is a bit bogus. Take them off after you dock up if you think you might have to contract the whole ship at some time. Not the moast elegant of solutions but at least its doable now and is about as much of a hassle as opening a door.
Yeah, it's so obvious, every time someone docks a ship with used crystals they should just use their magic crystal ball to see if they're going to need to contract it a year later. That's what I do and it totally works. you are now reading my signature |
Hoody
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Posted - 2009.08.01 07:54:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Explorer Allowing damaged items to be contracted would benefit scammers. We do not intend to allow damaged items to be contracted.
Isn't scamming part of the game though? or is that going to be hit with the nerf bat as well?
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Cheap Dude
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Posted - 2009.08.01 08:05:00 -
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Edited by: Cheap Dude on 01/08/2009 08:05:49 I had 2 hulks stuck in an enemy station.. I could not trade them to another char to fly them out because of used mining crystals.. The only option I had was to repackage the 2 hulks and with that loosing 2x CCC and 2 Cargorigs .. and only because it has fitted broken crystals..
But to fix the annoying part... give the option to strip/repair the broken stuff remotely.. OR just put in the the text "this contract has broken items" in the contract
edit: I almost quit EVE because I could not contract the hulks to another alt.. it really ****ed me off!!!
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.08.01 08:38:00 -
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Originally by: Areah Mar'khet
Originally by: Zeba Whilst I might agree that not being able to contract damaged crystals is a bit annoying at times the arguments of omg I can't contract my lazor bs with used crystals in them is a bit bogus. Take them off after you dock up if you think you might have to contract the whole ship at some time. Not the moast elegant of solutions but at least its doable now and is about as much of a hassle as opening a door.
Yeah, it's so obvious, every time someone docks a ship with used crystals they should just use their magic crystal ball to see if they're going to need to contract it a year later. That's what I do and it totally works.
The point is if you have a laser ship and know you are probably going to be away from said ship then take off the crystals. 12 seconds of :effort: later any future contracting problems are now solved.
Originally by: Vaden Khale He's doing the moonwalk in HEE-hee-hell.
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Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles
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Posted - 2009.08.01 08:51:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: CCP Explorer Allowing damaged items to be contracted would benefit scammers. We do not intend to allow damaged items to be contracted.
If the damage (if any) is clearly labeled on the contract item list (maybe in the first column), then it's a open-and-shut case of "caveat emptor", and not your responsability anymore. Besides, since when did you start hand-holding people ? It's not like you refuse labeling the contract containing 1 unit of Carbon as "Charon, extra cheap, 600 mil ISK"...
Currently, the item list in each contract only has 2 columns - item type & quantity. The query from which the contract is generated only needs to look at 2 tables- global typeID-related stuff, and the contents of the source hangar for the quantities. As the database is fully normalised, I suspect that the information about crystal damage is held in a separate table, very much like the runs field that distinguishes BPCs from BPOs. As such, it's difficult to see how CCP could add it to contracts without significantly increasing the load on the database. --- 34.4:1 mineral compression ISRC Racing, Season 7 - schedule |
Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.08.01 08:57:00 -
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Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro
Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: CCP Explorer Allowing damaged items to be contracted would benefit scammers. We do not intend to allow damaged items to be contracted.
If the damage (if any) is clearly labeled on the contract item list (maybe in the first column), then it's a open-and-shut case of "caveat emptor", and not your responsability anymore. Besides, since when did you start hand-holding people ? It's not like you refuse labeling the contract containing 1 unit of Carbon as "Charon, extra cheap, 600 mil ISK"...
Currently, the item list in each contract only has 2 columns - item type & quantity. The query from which the contract is generated only needs to look at 2 tables- global typeID-related stuff, and the contents of the source hangar for the quantities. As the database is fully normalised, I suspect that the information about crystal damage is held in a separate table, very much like the runs field that distinguishes BPCs from BPOs. As such, it's difficult to see how CCP could add it to contracts without significantly increasing the load on the database.
And in order to achive greater levels of stable fleet pew pew everything that is not 100% needed is not added. I'm going to assume ccp feels that the number of agitated damaged crystal owners is less than critcal mass in the greater scheme of things.
Originally by: Vaden Khale He's doing the moonwalk in HEE-hee-hell.
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JitaPriceChecker2
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Posted - 2009.08.01 08:59:00 -
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Isn't the same issue with drones in a drone bay ?
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Sherringford Hovis
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Posted - 2009.08.01 12:17:00 -
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Originally by: Seishi Maru
so just make possible that when you contrat a laser ship all used crystals are removed from the ship automagically. As of now handling distant ammar ships is a PAIN!
This is, I think, the simplest and best solution. If you contract a ship with rail guns it automatically removes charges, so the coding is already there.
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Hairygoagain
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Posted - 2009.08.01 13:27:00 -
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Wow\, lots of people posting here who have obviously never used a laser on a ship:
1. To those that say 'Just remove them from the weapons, like other guns'. Nice idea, but what about the ones in your cargo hold?
2. To those that say 'why do you have them in the cargohold'. Learn how lasers work, there are different crystals for different ranges, so you swap them out as required. A ship with normal ammo in the hold can be contracted, a ship with used crystals in the hold can't.
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Jenny' JoJo
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2009.08.01 13:52:00 -
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Unused and fitted crystals are registered as damaged when they are not. Even if they are in your cargo. Hopefully the devs can fix this by letting them dump into hanger.
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.08.01 15:49:00 -
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Originally by: Hairygoagain Wow\, lots of people posting here who have obviously never used a laser on a ship:
1. To those that say 'Just remove them from the weapons, like other guns'. Nice idea, but what about the ones in your cargo hold?
I'm going to go out on a limb here and please correct me if I'm wrong but wouldn't you take them out of the cargo hold at the same time as you take them out of the weapons? Dunno, just an odd thought that crossed my mind.
Originally by: Vaden Khale He's doing the moonwalk in HEE-hee-hell.
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Irida Mershkov
Gallente War is Bliss
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Posted - 2009.08.01 16:04:00 -
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Why can't the crystals just be removed so the ship can be contracted? bugger repairing them, just allow the ship to be moved, that's kinda stupid otherwise.
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5pinDizzy
Amarr Caldari State 1st Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.08.01 18:14:00 -
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Edited by: 5pinDizzy on 01/08/2009 18:17:53
I was never bitter about the amarr ammo situation, I considered it was the price you pay for having the most cheap lightweight ammo in all the game, with infinite tech 1 counterparts.
Oh and as someone else mentioned, crystals swap out in like 2 seconds.
Does the best damage per range of any weapon.
If the enemy kill you, they get crap loot they can't sell or do anything with.
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Enkidu Uruksen
Wakizashi Renaissance
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Posted - 2009.08.01 19:31:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Explorer Allowing damaged items to be contracted would benefit scammers. We do not intend to allow damaged items to be contracted.
OK, fine. What do you suggest we do with damaged crystals that we can't use? Trash them?
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Tzar'rim
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.08.01 19:53:00 -
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The real point is, and I'm assuming this is what the OP means, is that any ship you have with T2 crystals (that have been used) can't be contracted. The point is not selling the crystals, the point is not being able to remotely sell the ship. I bet there's a whole ton of amarr ships rotting away in some station that's either too far away or you don't have access too anymore, simply because you fired the guns once.
Not being able to contract damaged good is a choice and as a choice that's ok, I don't for a second believe it's about "not wanting people to get scammed" but has everything to do with database issues. That's all good but at least let us "remove damaged goods from ship" from range then, or at least "remove all ammo and drones". So people can actually sell their stuff.
This reasoning isn't rocket science, it's just logical.
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.08.01 19:58:00 -
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Originally by: Enkidu Uruksen
Originally by: CCP Explorer Allowing damaged items to be contracted would benefit scammers. We do not intend to allow damaged items to be contracted.
OK, fine. What do you suggest we do with damaged crystals that we can't use? Trash them?
Keep a spare set in the cargohold which will automatically switch out when a crystal breaks? It's not like there is a 10 second reload when that happens.
Originally by: Vaden Khale He's doing the moonwalk in HEE-hee-hell.
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Enkidu Uruksen
Wakizashi Renaissance
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Posted - 2009.08.01 20:47:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Enkidu Uruksen
Originally by: CCP Explorer Allowing damaged items to be contracted would benefit scammers. We do not intend to allow damaged items to be contracted.
OK, fine. What do you suggest we do with damaged crystals that we can't use? Trash them?
Keep a spare set in the cargohold which will automatically switch out when a crystal breaks? It's not like there is a 10 second reload when that happens.
Repeating:
Quote: crystals that we can't use
I don't use weapon crystals. I've picked some up from wrecks. They're useful to somebody, but not to me, so there should be a way to get isk for them, such as reprocessing for whatever percent is left on them.
Clearer?
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.08.01 20:50:00 -
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Edited by: Zeba on 01/08/2009 20:52:22
Originally by: Enkidu Uruksen I don't use weapon crystals. I've picked some up from wrecks. They're useful to somebody, but not to me, so there should be a way to get isk for them, such as reprocessing for whatever percent is left on them. Clearer?
Sell, trade or give them to a trusted corp mate who uses t2 lasers then drop them in a can in space or open a trade window to finish the deal? Sheese you guys are not very creative.
Originally by: Vaden Khale He's doing the moonwalk in HEE-hee-hell.
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CCP Explorer
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Posted - 2009.08.01 21:53:00 -
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Originally by: 5pinDizzy Be a bit more respectful of the developers please when they are actually taking the time to discuss with us.
...even if explorer is only cherry picking and deflecting the easy arguments concerning crystals.
I'm simply replying to the OP's question: "Sooo CCP when can i contract broken crystals?"
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Jenny' JoJo
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2009.08.01 22:16:00 -
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Edited by: Jenny'' JoJo on 01/08/2009 22:16:55
Originally by: CCP Explorer
Originally by: 5pinDizzy Be a bit more respectful of the developers please when they are actually taking the time to discuss with us.
...even if explorer is only cherry picking and deflecting the easy arguments concerning crystals.
I'm simply replying to the OP's question: "Sooo CCP when can i contract broken crystals?"
Agree with the comment that damaged crystals should not be contracted. I understand that it is not fair putting you on the spot, but could you bring to the attention of whoever is responsible the following.
1. Fitting t2/faction crystals are considered broken without firing a single shot. To test, just fir a t2 crystal and unfit it. Notice how its broken even though not a single shot has been fired.
2. Inability to remove crystals from contracting a ship. Even if damaged items get dumped into a hanger or whatever.
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Irida Mershkov
Gallente War is Bliss
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Posted - 2009.08.01 22:41:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny' JoJo Edited by: Jenny'' JoJo on 01/08/2009 22:16:55
Originally by: CCP Explorer
Originally by: 5pinDizzy Be a bit more respectful of the developers please when they are actually taking the time to discuss with us.
...even if explorer is only cherry picking and deflecting the easy arguments concerning crystals.
I'm simply replying to the OP's question: "Sooo CCP when can i contract broken crystals?"
Agree with the comment that damaged crystals should not be contracted. I understand that it is not fair putting you on the spot, but could you bring to the attention of whoever is responsible the following.
1. Fitting t2/faction crystals are considered broken without firing a single shot. To test, just fir a t2 crystal and unfit it. Notice how its broken even though not a single shot has been fired.
2. Inability to remove crystals from contracting a ship. Even if damaged items get dumped into a hanger or whatever.
Arguably fitting a crystal alters it, rather than placing it between a lens or what-not.
Although the second point is very valid.
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fuze
Gallente Chosen Path Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2009.08.01 23:02:00 -
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Makes sense to have crystals unload to hangar when contracted in line with all the other ammo/drone types. To implement this should be dead easy if I'm not mistaken.
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Mioelnir
Minmatar Meltd0wn
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Posted - 2009.08.02 00:45:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Explorer Allowing damaged items to be contracted would benefit scammers. We do not intend to allow damaged items to be contracted.
How about switching the order of the existing checks, so that the "are there loaded guns on the ship?" comes before the "is something damaged?" check instead of after.
If I try to contract a Vagabond with loaded guns, it removes the ammo because the container nesting would be too deep for the contract system (well, that's what I assume the reason is).
If I try to contract a Zealot with loaded guns, the contract UI aborts because damaged ammo is loaded just before it would unload it anyway.
A little reshuffling would do a lot of good here.
The option to remove damaged items from cargo / drone bay would require coding and isn't a big priority. But switching the order of the checks should amount to only a bit of cut & paste.
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Cilvius Sanctus
Gallente The Order of Chivalry Nex Eternus
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Posted - 2009.08.02 02:58:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Explorer
Originally by: 5pinDizzy Be a bit more respectful of the developers please when they are actually taking the time to discuss with us.
...even if explorer is only cherry picking and deflecting the easy arguments concerning crystals.
I'm simply replying to the OP's question: "Sooo CCP when can i contract broken crystals?"
Let's change the question then. CCP, when can I repair damaged drones in a ship's drone bay remotely? When can damaged crystals be removed from guns/cargo automatically when contracting a ship?
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Amber Bock
Trojan Trolls Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2009.08.02 05:16:00 -
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You can courier contract ships with damaged crystals and get around the warning. As long as the ship is smaller then 120k. You can also do that with cans or damaged mods. CCP should make it so you can empty a ships guns, cargo, and drone bay remotely.
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Mr Opinions
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Posted - 2009.08.02 09:38:00 -
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Edited by: Mr Opinions on 02/08/2009 09:39:03 A simple solution would seem to be to do two things:
1. a warning to the person contracting the ship away with broken crystals in it, to the affect that:
Warning: Any damaged ammunition present in this ship will be destroyed in setting up this contract! Do you wish to proceed?
The potential receiver never sees the damaged ammo (crystals) in the contract at all, since they have been destroyed. But the ship can still be traded without anyone having to fish out all the broken crystals, etc.
2. allow damaged crystals to be destroyed via the assets panel
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Problems solved ... perhaps not the way the OP would have liked, but in a way which the devs would accept.
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Garia666
Amarr T.H.U.G L.I.F.E Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2009.08.04 07:59:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Explorer
Originally by: 5pinDizzy Be a bit more respectful of the developers please when they are actually taking the time to discuss with us.
...even if explorer is only cherry picking and deflecting the easy arguments concerning crystals.
I'm simply replying to the OP's question: "Sooo CCP when can i contract broken crystals?"
its not about selling them. LEts say you need to move a ship of an corp member by carrier, if that ship has 1 single damage crystal its simply impossible to contract it.. Or someone need to point out how i can overcome this feature.
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Saffin
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Posted - 2009.08.04 10:03:00 -
[111]
I would like to see you having the option to repair all when you contract it.
Make it cost +20% of the actual repair cost of if you where in the station as you are playing the third party contract broker to repair you stuff before setting up your contract.
Saff
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Mark Interiis
Gallente Vengeance Imperium Federal Republic
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Posted - 2009.08.04 11:44:00 -
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The same terms apply to all other ships because you can't have a populated container inside during contract. Just clear out the cargo and charges when you're leaving the ship for an extended time.
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2009.08.04 11:51:00 -
[113]
Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 04/08/2009 11:51:38 Could someone tell me;
- Why would you need to give other players damaged crystals? - Why can't you do it in trade? - Why can't you take te crystals out of the ships before contracting ships?
Also;
Want to sell slightly used exotic dancers
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wakalaka
Information And Entropy
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Posted - 2009.08.04 13:09:00 -
[114]
As many people have already told, the problem happens when contracting a ship that you cannot fly and that has crystals loaded. You cannot unfit the crystals, cannot repair the crystals, and cannot contract the ship. You could repackage the ship, but then you're losing the rigs and the fitting setup.
This happens a lot in a corporate environment, and saying it's "working as intended" is to say you're out of touch with the game.
When setting up a contract, it should give the option to unfit the crystals, whenever you can or cannot fly the ship. I don't like the idea of allowing to contract damaged modules though.
But I don't think it's the most annoying feature on the contracting system :) That would be the impossibility to make charge backs.
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Anvalor
Gallente Germania Inc. D0GMA
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Posted - 2009.08.04 14:55:00 -
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Originally by: Sheriff Jones Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 04/08/2009 11:51:38 Could someone tell me;
- Why would you need to give other players damaged crystals? - Why can't you do it in trade? - Why can't you take te crystals out of the ships before
I pvp alot, which means there are quite often crystals in the loot (if my gang and me wins ) We have one amarr specialized guy in our ally who is not online as often as i am. So if he comes online i have to go to the system where the crystals are to trade it to him, which means that i would need to leave the roaming gang or the gatecamp and so on. It would be much easier if i could contract himn the damaged crystals. I do not understand why ccp does not change this. I mean they allow you to scam about everything but when it comes to crystalls they do not.
Not that i want to scam with it, but i want to get rid off the loot i do not need without moving to that station. Well i adapted a bit and have all crystalls in a can now and just give them to the amarr guy when i am in that station.
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Garia666
Amarr T.H.U.G L.I.F.E Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2009.08.05 09:11:00 -
[116]
anyway i figure not many people of ccp actualy fly amarr actively.. www.garia.net |
Sheriff Jones
Amarr Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2009.08.05 09:23:00 -
[117]
Originally by: Anvalor I pvp alot, which means there are quite often crystals in the loot (if my gang and me wins ) We have one amarr specialized guy in our ally who is not online as often as i am. So if he comes online i have to go to the system where the crystals are to trade it to him, which means that i would need to leave the roaming gang or the gatecamp and so on. It would be much easier if i could contract himn the damaged crystals. I do not understand why ccp does not change this. I mean they allow you to scam about everything but when it comes to crystalls they do not.
Not that i want to scam with it, but i want to get rid off the loot i do not need without moving to that station. Well i adapted a bit and have all crystalls in a can now and just give them to the amarr guy when i am in that station.
Well, i can see how that could be a problem, but you could do the following;
Set up a secure can(or few in few systems) somewhere that is a "corp drop" location. Use corp hangars for "useless junk".
I doubt the risk of scammers and all the petitions etc that go along with it, not to mention work(they could create that anything can be given with a "give contract"), is worth the little time your corpmate has to wait for those crystals.
There are solutions, but is some peoples extra work worth some peoples extra agony?
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Frug
Repo Industries
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Posted - 2009.08.05 09:28:00 -
[118]
Originally by: Sheriff Jones
Could someone tell me;
- Why would you need to give other players damaged crystals? - Why can't you do it in trade? - Why can't you take te crystals out of the ships before contracting ships?
Oh jones... Jones jones..
"I need a ship in amamake right now, can anyone contract me something?" "Yes, I have a geddon in there already fitted. I'll contract it to you asap... Oh wait, I actually used that geddon once." "Well never mind, the fleet's gone now."
It's not about extra work. It's about not being able to do it at all.
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Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
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Posted - 2009.08.05 09:47:00 -
[119]
It would be nice to at least be able to make "gift"-type contracts with damaged crystals or other items.
I use zero ISK contracts a lot, to transfer items between my alts, or sometimes between one of my characters and another corp member.
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2009.08.05 09:54:00 -
[120]
Originally by: Frug Oh jones... Jones jones..
"I need a ship in amamake right now, can anyone contract me something?" "Yes, I have a geddon in there already fitted. I'll contract it to you asap... Oh wait, I actually used that geddon once." "Well never mind, the fleet's gone now."
It's not about extra work. It's about not being able to do it at all.
Contracting crystals is a bad idea still. Make a "corporation trade" that allows changing ownership of items. Nothing more.
Also just leave some normal crystals in the hold of the ship for such "panic" situations and when you leave your ship, just remove crystals to station.
Then drag&drop and 2 seconds, you're ready to go with your own ship.
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Lady Annastreia
Kinetic Cartel
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Posted - 2009.08.05 09:56:00 -
[121]
Just allow them to be changed remotely
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Doddy
Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2009.08.05 10:58:00 -
[122]
Originally by: Sheriff Jones Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 04/08/2009 11:51:38 Could someone tell me;
- Why would you need to give other players damaged crystals? - Why can't you do it in trade? - Why can't you take te crystals out of the ships before contracting ships?
Also;
Want to sell slightly used exotic dancers
Because the crystals are in a ship you no longer have access to (i.e. lost outpost). All assets are at least partially recoverable through a contract sale unless there is something damaged. In the case of a few used crystals or a little heat damage this seems a bit ridiculous. An amarr player could have 100s of millions of isk tied up for the sake of a few % damage on a few 100ks isk crsytals. Of course you shouldn't lose the outpost in the first place but it does seem a bit harsh on people flying amarr over anyone else.
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2009.08.05 11:04:00 -
[123]
Originally by: Doddy Because the crystals are in a ship you no longer have access to (i.e. lost outpost). All assets are at least partially recoverable through a contract sale unless there is something damaged. In the case of a few used crystals or a little heat damage this seems a bit ridiculous. An amarr player could have 100s of millions of isk tied up for the sake of a few % damage on a few 100ks isk crsytals. Of course you shouldn't lose the outpost in the first place but it does seem a bit harsh on people flying amarr over anyone else.
Then i think the only option is a risk to the owner.
Ergo; "give contracts" which can have anything in them, but can't have item/isk demands on them.
Trust contracts so to say.
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Dmitryilyin
Gallente Risky eXplosion Death or Glory
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Posted - 2009.08.05 11:32:00 -
[124]
CCP Please make it possible to contract ANY damaged item.
It will not cause scams because ships can be repaired for free, modules repairing is cheap and laser crystals, even faction, are cheap so nobody will complain if got 0.99 damaged from contract, and why should you buy then from contract anyway.
Also why cannot we trade faction items with market and have to use contracts? They are can be repackaged and stacked, what the problem?
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2009.08.05 11:35:00 -
[125]
Normal contracting of damaged items will not happen. Same thing that was with mines etc.
People abusing the system ruin "fun stuff", that's MMOs for you.
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Taua Roqa
Minmatar junQtion
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Posted - 2009.08.05 11:40:00 -
[126]
Edited by: Taua Roqa on 05/08/2009 11:40:04 something on page 2 is making google chrome throw up a warning page about dropbox and malware :/ [ |
Arous Drephius
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Posted - 2009.08.05 12:15:00 -
[127]
Just allow any damaged items to be contracted, and have a warning that pops up listing the damaged items and how damaged they are (sort of like the "you are entering a ship fitted with the following into this contract" popup when making a the contract). If you don't read it then it's your own fault.
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Jin Entres
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
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Posted - 2009.08.05 14:45:00 -
[128]
+1 just add right click ship from assets -> unload ammo into cargo/hangar
It's a major pain in the ass and serves no useful purpose I can think of. ----------------------
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Irida Mershkov
Gallente War is Bliss
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Posted - 2009.08.05 14:58:00 -
[129]
Originally by: Taua Roqa Edited by: Taua Roqa on 05/08/2009 11:40:04 something on page 2 is making google chrome throw up a warning page about dropbox and malware :/
Using Chrome myself and not getting any problems. Maybe it's the blue bars?
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Dav Varan
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Posted - 2009.08.05 16:05:00 -
[130]
Go support my proposal that will cure all your Faction / T2 Crystal blues
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Lord Zoran
Order of Anarchy The Laughing Men
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Posted - 2009.08.05 16:32:00 -
[131]
not much point talking about it. As stated it's broken as ccp intended..........
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An Anarchyyt
Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.08.05 16:59:00 -
[132]
Bring back Remote Doomsdays.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
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Kewso
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Posted - 2009.08.05 17:05:00 -
[133]
Wish damaged drones would hop to cargo also.
I have a rigged raven like 42 jumps away I cant contract cause of a damaged drone in the dronebay, so if i repackage it I lose the rigs. And I doubt I'll ever jump back into that space so that's annoying also.
let damaged goods just drop to cargo or whatnot
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Garia666
Amarr T.H.U.G L.I.F.E Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2009.08.06 08:36:00 -
[134]
Originally by: Lord Zoran not much point talking about it. As stated it's broken as ccp intended..........
yeah as stated before its to bad not many ccp people actualy use the amarr race. www.garia.net |
Jesho
Minmatar Swedish Aerospace Inc Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.06 10:52:00 -
[135]
Originally by: CCP Explorer Allowing damaged items to be contracted would benefit scammers. We do not intend to allow damaged items to be contracted.
Ok so that's the reason. i've always wondered why you had decided not to allow it.
why not just put up a big fat warning at the top of the contract that it contains damaged items? and possibly a popup dialog box warning? if the recipient of a contract is fully aware of it containing damage items and is fine with that, why not allow it?
there's more options here, for example only allow damage items to be contracted in private contracts (with warning as above)
another thing on my wish list for the contract system is to be able to change the minimum bid increment on auctions, sometimes the default 10% or whatever it was is way too high if the start and buyout is too close, resulting in no real auction.
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