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Lord Zim 706	Posted - 2012.05.26 15:58:00 - [91] - Quote Jessie-A Tassik wrote: Goon are such liars. I know the truth hurts, and being in denial makes the pain go away. But push through it, it'll get better soon!
Jessie-A Tassik Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 207	Posted - 2012.05.26 15:58:00 - [92] - Quote Lord Zim wrote: Jessie-A Tassik wrote: Goon are such liars. I know the truth hurts, and being in denial makes the pain go away. But push through it, it'll get better soon! Production is reserves now, zippy? Not that OPEC's published reserves are actually true, they are not.
Richard Desturned GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 450	Posted - 2012.05.26 16:01:00 - [93] - Quote Jessie-A Tassik wrote: Production is reserves now, zippy? Not that OPEC's published reserves are actually true, they are not. yo we're not talking about RL oil cartels we're talking about eve tech cartels eh
Jonah Gravenstein 434	Posted - 2012.05.26 16:02:00 - [94] - Quote Jessie-A Tassik wrote: Lord Zim wrote: Jessie-A Tassik wrote: Goon are such liars. I know the truth hurts, and being in denial makes the pain go away. But push through it, it'll get better soon! Production is reserves now, zippy? Not that OPEC's published reserves are actually true, they are not. So GSF now runs OPEC? I for one welcome our buzzing yellow insect overlords. Reserves=potential production BTW War hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside.
Lord Zim 706	Posted - 2012.05.26 16:02:00 - [95] - Quote Hey so if we're controlling 90% of the tech moons, and providing 90% of the tech on the market, doesn't that actually make us less moneygrabby than OPEC?
Scatim Helicon GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 397	Posted - 2012.05.26 16:15:00 - [96] - Quote The Mittani lobbied heavily during CSM6 for the Technetium situation to be rebalanced. Unfortunately, due to his non-participation in CSM7 he has not been able to keep up this pressure and get the issue fixed, with the end result that OTEC has emerged to exploit the system for all its worth. Be careful what you wish for in future. Titans were never meant to be "cost effective", its a huge **.-á- CCP Oveur, 2006 ~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever.
Darth Kilth Clan Exiled Legends 60	Posted - 2012.05.26 16:15:00 - [97] - Quote TheBreadMuncher wrote: Tech moons have plenty of risk. It's the players' resilience that led to them having a secure control of these moons. Don't like it? Supercap blob them, then. Which is impossible to do unless you to are a tech moon holding aliance. Nobody else has the funds to challenge them, and anyone that has the funds to challenge them is part of the entire deal. Face it, Tech moons as they currently exist create a vicious circle making powerful alliances even more powerful. 0.0 is pretty much the biggest carebear place around currently. The big alliances have no reason to fight each other and have literally zero risk within their own territory that they barely have to bother defending. I guess the comparison to oil cartels is apt, except the oil barons will run out of oil eventually, Tech moons will never be depleted. In the end tough I doubt this will change any time soon, remember that old incident with the moon exploit? Took ages to get fixed, and this is unlikely to get changed any time soon. The alliances will continuing to accumulate resources and money, in a while even titans will be considered expendable by them. The only way the current system could keep working is if all the aliances where at each others throat and war was a daily occurance for any aliance up there. Reminds me of the current debt system which will only work if all money that gets payd off also enters the system again so someone else can use it to clean their debt, but due to some rich people stockpiling money that doesn't happen. But that is going a bit far from the topic. Either way, moon mining is rather imbalanced in the way the 0.0 alliances are currently working. And the more time it takes to fix this how harder it will be to even challenge these alliances.
Lord Zim 708	Posted - 2012.05.26 16:19:00 - [98] - Quote Darth Kilth wrote: 0.0 is pretty much the biggest carebear place around currently. The big alliances have no reason to fight each other and have literally zero risk within their own territory that they barely have to bother defending. Let's ask White Noise how they feel about risk. Or the NC. Or CVA. Or ev0ke. Or any alliance which is in, or has been in nullsec the last 5 years. Darth Kilth wrote: Either way, moon mining is rather imbalanced in the way the 0.0 alliances are currently working. And the more time it takes to fix this how harder it will be to even challenge these alliances. Don't say we didn't warn you.
No More Heroes GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 252	Posted - 2012.05.26 16:22:00 - [99] - Quote Players created the content 'tech wars' and players need to balance it. i.e. start taking some moons. .
Darth Kilth Clan Exiled Legends 60	Posted - 2012.05.26 16:29:00 - [100] - Quote Lord Zim wrote: Darth Kilth wrote: 0.0 is pretty much the biggest carebear place around currently. The big alliances have no reason to fight each other and have literally zero risk within their own territory that they barely have to bother defending. Let's ask White Noise how they feel about risk. Or the NC. Or CVA. Or ev0ke. Or any alliance which is in, or has been in nullsec the last 5 years. CVA, you mean those small guys in providence? or NC who got their ass kicked in their own hubris? I specifically meant the big alliances that haven't pissed of everyone (except the goons because they can do that and get away scot free) and got enough fire-power to make themselves an unattractive target. Lord Zim wrote: Darth Kilth wrote: Either way, moon mining is rather imbalanced in the way the 0.0 alliances are currently working. And the more time it takes to fix this how harder it will be to even challenge these alliances. Don't say we didn't warn you. I was warned, but I wasn't the one making decisions and still aint the one making them.
Lord Zim 708	Posted - 2012.05.26 16:35:00 - [101] - Quote Darth Kilth wrote: or NC who got their ass kicked in their own hubris? I specifically meant the big alliances that haven't pissed of everyone (except the goons because they can do that and get away scot free) and got enough fire-power to make themselves an unattractive target. Yes, the NC. The coalition where a majority of EVE said "the NC is killing eve", because the NC was so huge and had "so much firepower to make themselves an unattractive target". That NC.
Mortimer Civeri Aliastra Gallente Federation 73	Posted - 2012.05.26 16:37:00 - [102] - Quote Lord Zim wrote: Darth Kilth wrote: or NC who got their ass kicked in their own hubris? I specifically meant the big alliances that haven't pissed of everyone (except the goons because they can do that and get away scot free) and got enough fire-power to make themselves an unattractive target. Yes, the NC. The coalition where a majority of EVE said "the NC is killing eve", because the NC was so huge and had "so much firepower to make themselves an unattractive target". That NC. Oh snap! "I don't know which is worse, ...that everyone has his price, or that the price is always so low." Calvin
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 902	Posted - 2012.05.26 16:48:00 - [103] - Quote Mortimer Civeri wrote: Lord Zim wrote: Darth Kilth wrote: or NC who got their ass kicked in their own hubris? I specifically meant the big alliances that haven't pissed of everyone (except the goons because they can do that and get away scot free) and got enough fire-power to make themselves an unattractive target. Yes, the NC. The coalition where a majority of EVE said "the NC is killing eve", because the NC was so huge and had "so much firepower to make themselves an unattractive target". That NC. Oh snap! Heh heh heh ... Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd
Devious Relation Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 10	Posted - 2012.05.26 17:00:00 - [104] - Quote Scatim Helicon wrote: The Mittani lobbied heavily during CSM6 for the Technetium situation to be rebalanced. Unfortunately, due to his non-participation in CSM7 he has not been able to keep up this pressure and get the issue fixed, with the end result that OTEC has emerged to exploit the system for all its worth. Be careful what you wish for in future. In that case it is a pitty what happened at fan fest did. CCP defiantly need constant pressure into balancing this and as soon as possible. The guys quoting old alliance names and guys who have left 0.0. There were, in many cases, mittogating circumstances. High position deals, mergers as well as the not so honest things that have gone on. After all didnt a portion of WI join goons HERP DA DERRP
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 904	Posted - 2012.05.26 17:17:00 - [105] - Quote Devious Relation wrote: Scatim Helicon wrote: The Mittani lobbied heavily during CSM6 for the Technetium situation to be rebalanced. Unfortunately, due to his non-participation in CSM7 he has not been able to keep up this pressure and get the issue fixed, with the end result that OTEC has emerged to exploit the system for all its worth. Be careful what you wish for in future. In that case it is a pitty what happened at fan fest did. CCP defiantly need constant pressure into balancing this and as soon as possible. The guys quoting old alliance names and guys who have left 0.0. There were, in many cases, mittogating circumstances. High position deals, mergers as well as the not so honest things that have gone on. After all didnt a portion of WI join goons HERP DA DERRP Don't worry, making the most of the tech is helping. And all the whines on General Discussion are only adding to the pressure, so whine more ~~ Yeah. We have WIdot. people. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd
Devious Relation Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 11	Posted - 2012.05.26 17:29:00 - [106] - Quote Someone joked before, "should we all just be reset into rookie ships with no ISK" thats looking more and more like a good idea.
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 904	Posted - 2012.05.26 17:42:00 - [107] - Quote Devious Relation wrote: Someone joked before, "should we all just be reset into rookie ships with no ISK" thats looking more and more like a good idea. Reaperswarm It's time to downgrade from Rifters Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd
alittlebirdy All Hail The Liopleurodon 31	Posted - 2012.05.26 17:49:00 - [108] - Quote Sadly the OP is right... the ONE thing people INSIDE the game could do as a group and be good at got nerfed.. Goons < outside of eve group TEST < alot of outside of eve people O snap thats the MAIN power in nulll and it did not come from building inside the game but from outside... Sorry tech moons have no current risk, for the 15bill/month it makes the risk is nill and CCP needs to either rollback the changes to incrusions OR nerf the **** out of moons in general.
Talon SilverHawk Patria o Muerte 216	Posted - 2012.05.26 17:50:00 - [109] - Quote HVAC Repairman wrote: Talon SilverHawk wrote: Tinnin Sylph wrote: ABLOO BLOO GOONS WON AT EVE AND I'M MAD ABOUT IT. Agreed you guys did good, but you should be able to be challenged in game, otherwise boring it will become. Tal dont worry about us, we always find something to keep us entertained Yes but pulling wings off flies will only take you so far. Tal
Rico Minali Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension 686	Posted - 2012.05.26 17:53:00 - [110] - Quote alittlebirdy wrote: Sadly the OP is right... the ONE thing people INSIDE the game could do as a group and be good at got nerfed.. Goons < outside of eve group TEST < alot of outside of eve people O snap thats the MAIN power in nulll and it did not come from building inside the game but from outside... Sorry tech moons have no current risk, for the 15bill/month it makes the risk is nill and CCP needs to either rollback the changes to incrusions OR nerf the **** out of moons in general. Spoken like someone who has never had to take a Tech moon, or defend one, or take one back. Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing.
Derth Ramir Hellion Evolution 35	Posted - 2012.05.26 17:54:00 - [111] - Quote Welcome to eve you ***** * ** like this is what makes this game epic. Players controlling the game is why I play this. Go hang yourself OP.
Lord Zim 708	Posted - 2012.05.26 17:56:00 - [112] - Quote alittlebirdy wrote: Sorry tech moons have no current risk Have you even seen a tech moon? alittlebirdy wrote: CCP needs to either rollback the changes to incrusions ahahahahahahahahahaha No. alittlebirdy wrote: OR nerf the **** out of moons in general. Remove T2 from the game, moons in general nerfed.
Talon SilverHawk Patria o Muerte 216	Posted - 2012.05.26 17:57:00 - [113] - Quote Derth Ramir wrote: Welcome to eve you ***** * ** like this is what makes this game epic. Players controlling the game is why I play this. Go hang yourself OP. I wanna know whats under the stars. I'm guessing fking reard sh*t Tal
Richard Desturned GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 454	Posted - 2012.05.26 18:09:00 - [114] - Quote alittlebirdy wrote: CCP needs to either rollback the changes to incrusions OR nerf the **** out of moons in general. You can take a tech moon. How do you prevent a group from running incursions in hisec? eh
Darth Kilth Clan Exiled Legends 60	Posted - 2012.05.26 18:17:00 - [115] - Quote Richard Desturned wrote: alittlebirdy wrote: CCP needs to either rollback the changes to incrusions OR nerf the **** out of moons in general. You can take a tech moon. How do you prevent a group from running incursions in hisec? You suicide gank them with cheap ships available to everyone.
Lord Zim 708	Posted - 2012.05.26 18:21:00 - [116] - Quote Nah man, what you do is shoot the mothership as sooon as possible. That really ticks them off.
Henry Haphorn Aliastra Gallente Federation 369	Posted - 2012.05.26 18:23:00 - [117] - Quote Devious Relation wrote: So CCP have "balanced" incursions due to "risk vs isk" or thats the stand they will take on this, not going to go into details. I have recently just been made aware of this "O-Tec" agreement between TEST, Raiden, CFC, PL, NCDot which basicaly means, who ever owns the tec moons currently will keep them. Now this simple agreement has completely removed the risk from owning such moons and therefore needs adressing. The only reason incursions became relativly "risk free" was because of the awsome communitys made. THAT IS ALL Now this o-tec agreement is in place, i think that should be nuked from orbit This agreement effects 90% of the tech moons, how are new commers, the smaller corps/alliances ment to even get started? Its things like this that put new people off and eventualy will be the death of the game When Band of Brothers (one of the first most powerful alliances that ever existed at the time) was taken down by just a couple of players with a few mouse clicks, people with your attitude went to CCP to try to undo the damage because they believed that no one person should have that kind of power. But CCP said "NO" because all of that happened under the rules of the game. What makes you think CCP is going to take out OTEC? CCP endorsed it for god sake. Welcome to Eve Online. Don't expect people to be nice to you.
Devious Relation Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 14	Posted - 2012.05.26 18:29:00 - [118] - Quote Derth Ramir wrote: Welcome to eve you ***** * ** like this is what makes this game epic. Players controlling the game is why I play this. Go hang yourself OP. I sense anger issues. want a cookie?
Devious Relation Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 14	Posted - 2012.05.26 18:31:00 - [119] - Quote Richard Desturned wrote: alittlebirdy wrote: CCP needs to either rollback the changes to incrusions OR nerf the **** out of moons in general. You can take a tech moon. How do you prevent a group from running incursions in hisec? And how do you spose the average joe does that then?......... exactly its not possible for anyone without a huge alliance and massive funding - like a tech moon or 2 - to even consider doing so
Rath Kelbore The Six-Pack Syndicate 203	Posted - 2012.05.26 18:32:00 - [120] - Quote CCP made a game that is supposed to be all about freedom of choice, do whatever you want(within specified parameters), risk vs reward, actions and consequences, ect. So a few groups of players took over tech moons, then made an agreement to not fight over them and you're mad? You want CCP to do something about it? Even though that would be the exact opposite of what eve is suppose to be about? If you don't like the fact that those groups own all the tech moons, make your own group, then go take the tech moons. "waaah that's not possible, they are too entrenched, blah blah blah." I'm sorry they've been growing their alliance for years and have established some power and you're just starting out and can't go take them out in a day. If you really want to remove them start building now. In a year or two you might be in a position to do something about it. "That's ridiculous and unfair" No, it's not. They've been working at this for a very long time, you're mad about it.....what today? Yesterday? A week ago? What steps have you taken to remove them from their position? None? Unless you count whining on the forums a step. If CCP were to do something about a bunch of players that achieved whatever goal they were going after "legally" then this game would be World of Warcraft, and I would quit. I plan on living forever.......so far, so good.

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