In a year or two you might be in a position to do something about it.

Reaperswarm

It's time to downgrade from Rifters

NULL SEC IS THE NEW HIGH SEC!!! NOBODY FIGHTS DOWN THERE AT ALL, MOONS ARE ALL OWNED BY BIG ALLIANCES AND THEY AGREE TO NOT ENGAGE EACH OTHER IN COMBAT EXCEPT FOR VERBAL SPARS!

REMOVE MOONS FROM NULL, PLACE THEM IN HIGH! EVERYBODY WINS!

And how do you spose the average joe does that then?......... exactly its not possible for anyone without a huge alliance and massive funding - like a tech moon or 2 - to even consider doing so

The game probubly wont last another 2 years.

You yourself mentioned "Risk vs Reward" moon mineing in its current state, especialy with the OTEC agreement has no risk. Therfore needs addressing.

First off, it's mining. You don't need the E there(among other spelling mistakes). Secondly, if you look through the forums starting in 2003 you will find a ******** amount of posts about how EVE won't last another two years. Finally, the OTEC agreement does not remove risk. That would be like saying if you form an alliance you are removing risk from the game.

Are you part of this OTEC agreement? No. Therefore(note the spelling)you are a potential risk to their moon mining. Of course in reality you are not because you won't do anything about it other than whine on the forums but hopefully you can understand the point?

Another thing, just because there's an otec agreement today doesn't mean it'll be there tomorrow. People never ever ever ever ever backstab other players/corps/alliances in eve. It NEVER happens. Seriously, not even once.

Can you and your group of 2 friends do something about the tech moons? So get more friends. The way you whine about it without offering any reasonable solution is what's annoying.

I'm not against some rational changes to the way moon minerals are harvested. Neither is CCP if you believe soundwave at fanfest.

Seeing that you will probably never understand, I leave you with this. Shut up woman get on my horse

Moon Goo offers these large alliances the ISK required to actualy gain and keep numbers. Even actualy get people pvping.

At the end of the day lets be honest, who will fit a real pvpship more then once a day, go die, get podded then reship and go back for more if they arnt being offer'd some part of that honey pot?

Come on, guys, stop being unfair. This neutral alt is clearly correct, there is simply no way for a group of low-skill, isk-starved new players in lowsec to grow and survive long enough to challenge an established alliance. I mean, it's just impossible, no one has ever done it. And if you inadvertently pissed off a huge coalition like the CFC, and they decide that they want you dead? Well, you're dead, there's no way you could survive if a huge ******* corp was trying to destroy you, it's impossible. They would smear you across their windshield like the bugs you are. And let's say you DID survive, somehow, maybe even made a couple of friends to form an alliance with. It's not like you could actually WIN! I mean, a huge alliance like that in practically invincible, it would take forever. Yeah, that's it, you'd need a Forever War, you know how hard that would be?

And that's why there are no goons in Eve.

Goons are a group formed outside of eve via SA forums which you have to pay $10 to join.

The only way CFC or any of the large powerhouses that are currently in existance will be knocked off thier perch is by internal issues, nothing anyone outside the diplomats/alliance highbee's can perform

Goons/CFC aren't invincible just because a portion of us are members of the SA forums. And, again, if you took your sentence and replace CFC with NC, BOB, etc, you'd end up with exactly the same thing people were saying a few years ago, and that's been proven wrong.

CFC'll be killed off at some point in the future as well, the question is just when, and by whom.

I'm just going to point out that we already collapsed in a flurry of trolling and recriminations, losing all our territory because our CEO got pissy. We all had to move to lowsec to lick our wounds. Now we are invincible again.

A big alliance trying to destroy us won't succeed, because we won't go away due to our ships being blown up. An internal division won't destroy us, because we won't go away due to a major setback. We won't go away as long as we're having fun.

To destroy GoonSwarm, you must destroy Eve. Our will to power will conquer anything else.

The fact that the entire eve comminty is full of hypocrites. Well the vast majority.

This whole game is about the rich staying rich and trying to opress and keep the poor new guys poor. Its rediculious, the game should have fair oportunitys for everyone not just the long term stayin's

^^ sadly i think this is the first accurate thing a goon has posted in thsi thread

Now where will 99% of the population go, to the newly formed alliance/corp who is going to offer them nothing or to the all shiney alliance/corp who has ship reimbursement, logistics, even free pvp ships.

HTFU? No ill remain squishy if i wish.

The longer the issue goes unchanged the worse it will be. The less and less likely it is that the scales can or will be tipped. The only hope i guess is that once everyone becomes blue, people will get bored.

Lets face it, Goons=Content, I only see a few other groups that produce as much content for the community to enjoy or hate.

They have no master plan, what they do have is that they take a mischievous delight in messing with people on a large scale and some particularly deviant planners that will one day do well in gov't service or banking.

Their propaganda is both amusing and effective, politics really does drive the whole game and they're good at it, and like politicians they have no morals in game, particularly when it comes to somebody else space pixels.

I've seen Goons described as Marmite, most apt.

Ork culture circulates around seemingly random violence, which dominates every aspect of their culture. However, to characterize it as evil, malicious, or racist is to ignore the fact that it is in their nature. Most competitive activities amongst fellow Orks end in death. In fact, most activities Orks engage in involve death. This may be a byproduct of the rather brutal 40K universe, however, and it is possible that behavioral conditioning of Orks could result in a more placid lifeform.


Ork behavior is dominated by the WAAAAAGH!, a gestalt psychic field they generate that affects the Ork psyche, as it allows Orks to instinctively recognize who is 'bigga N' Dead Killy' and therefore in charge, which also feeds into the physiological expressions of success. All Orks generate this field, and it grows stronger as the Orks enjoy themselves, generally while fighting. The WAAAAAGH! helps give momentum (and the name) to the Orks' planet-crushing WAAAAAGH!s. These WAAAAAGH!s are a cross between a mass migration, holy war, looting party and pub brawl, with a bit of genocide thrown in for good measure. Millions of Orks will gather together, drawn to the power of a single dominant Ork called a Warboss, who are essentially extremely successful Ork Nobs, distinguished from most Nobs thanks to their higher level of intelligence, many qualifying as geniuses even by human standards (which is not to say that Warbosses are always intelligent; some are simply too big, too green, and too strong to be resisted), though their lack of education can often lead their enemies to assume their stupidity (which is usually the last mistake they make). Once assembled into a huge mass, consisting of hundreds of millions or even billions of Orks and their countless ramshackle vehicles and spacecraft, the Orks will set off to find an enemy to fight - any enemy. Ork Waaagh!s will sweep whole planetary systems away and destroy armies and fleets in tides of bloodlust and carnage, and only once the Orks have killed every available enemy will they start to fight amongst themselves again.

Another apt analogy for Goons are the Orks from WH40K.

Nice forumalt. Also, living in 0.0 is the greatest risk you can take in EVE, people can TAKE the O-TEC moons, Every system that a Tech moon sits in is NOT highsec. If you're so pissed off about Tech prices, go kill one of the pos. The fact that you're sitting behind the highsec fence and bitching about tech moons is hilarious.

If people were pissed about Tech prices enough, they'd do something to change them. Until then, stfu. The Tech Nerf is incoming, just be patient. If you decide to quit this "game", can I has your stuff?

They're pissed because they literally can't take them, despite trying many, many time. Our logi guys are just too good, our pilots are just too ready to shoot up some -A-.