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Ammzi
Imperial Guardians The Aurora Shadow
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Posted - 2012.05.27 12:50:00 -
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I had fun in incursions, but to be completely frank CCP's modification were a direct nuke from orbit. The only thing that is left now is a hollow ruin of what used to be.
This coming from a "veteran" incursion runner, FC, former BTL operator and "griefing" incursion pilot. Hands down it was a really bad modification by CCP. I mean take a look at the incursion reports, they can only keep one of the incursions in highsec running at anytime. When there used to be 3 up earlier with 100 % blue influence.
Snap. quote CCP Spitfire
"Hello Im Blue,"
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Mortimer Civeri
Aliastra Gallente Federation
73
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Posted - 2012.05.27 15:49:00 -
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sweetrock wrote:Lets face it, the game is so broken I think CCP havwe just accepted the fact it is past repair So quit, but before you do can I haz ur stuffs? "I don't know which is worse, ...that everyone has his price, or that the price is always so low." Calvin
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Mortimer Civeri
Aliastra Gallente Federation
73
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Posted - 2012.05.27 15:49:00 -
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Ammzi wrote:I had fun in incursions, but to be completely frank CCP's modification were a direct nuke from orbit. The only thing that is left now is a hollow ruin of what used to be.
This coming from a "veteran" incursion runner, FC, former BTL operator and "griefing" incursion pilot. Hands down it was a really bad modification by CCP. I mean take a look at the incursion reports, they can only keep one of the incursions in highsec running at anytime. When there used to be 3 up earlier with 100 % blue influence.
Snap. So, working as intended? "I don't know which is worse, ...that everyone has his price, or that the price is always so low." Calvin
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sweetrock
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.05.27 15:50:00 -
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Mortimer Civeri wrote:sweetrock wrote:Lets face it, the game is so broken I think CCP havwe just accepted the fact it is past repair So quit, but before you do can I haz ur stuffs?
Oh yeah sure, just give me your home address and telephone number ill be sure to "let you have it" |

Mortimer Civeri
Aliastra Gallente Federation
73
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Posted - 2012.05.27 16:15:00 -
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sweetrock wrote:Mortimer Civeri wrote:sweetrock wrote:Lets face it, the game is so broken I think CCP havwe just accepted the fact it is past repair So quit, but before you do can I haz ur stuffs? Oh yeah sure, just give me your home address and telephone number ill be sure to "let you have it" So tell me again why you complain about a game that is "broken beyond repair," refuse to quit said game, and make RL threats against people who ask you to quit because you seem unhappy with the game?
Because I would consider this:
sweetrock wrote:...give me your home address and telephone number ill be sure to "let you have it" a RL personal threat.
Oh, and enjoy your ban. "I don't know which is worse, ...that everyone has his price, or that the price is always so low." Calvin
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sweetrock
State War Academy Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2012.05.27 17:23:00 -
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Mortimer Civeri wrote:sweetrock wrote:Mortimer Civeri wrote:sweetrock wrote:Lets face it, the game is so broken I think CCP havwe just accepted the fact it is past repair So quit, but before you do can I haz ur stuffs? Oh yeah sure, just give me your home address and telephone number ill be sure to "let you have it" So tell me again why you complain about a game that is "broken beyond repair," refuse to quit said game, and make RL threats against people who ask you to quit because you seem unhappy with the game? Because I would consider this: sweetrock wrote:...give me your home address and telephone number ill be sure to "let you have it" a RL personal threat. Oh, and enjoy your ban.
Oh right your "that" guy |

Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
207
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Posted - 2012.05.27 18:06:00 -
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Mortimer Civeri wrote:Ammzi wrote:I had fun in incursions, but to be completely frank CCP's modification were a direct nuke from orbit. The only thing that is left now is a hollow ruin of what used to be.
This coming from a "veteran" incursion runner, FC, former BTL operator and "griefing" incursion pilot. Hands down it was a really bad modification by CCP. I mean take a look at the incursion reports, they can only keep one of the incursions in highsec running at anytime. When there used to be 3 up earlier with 100 % blue influence.
Snap. So, working as intended?
I can see your happy as competition to Goon tech moon income has been removed.
Now if only they could get Goon tech moon income working as intended.
Unless, of course, it already is. |

Lord Zim
715
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Posted - 2012.05.27 18:10:00 -
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Jessie-A Tassik wrote:competition to Goon tech moon income The what? |

Nikodiemus
Jokulhlaup
24
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Posted - 2012.05.27 18:13:00 -
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Tinnin Sylph wrote:When even WIDOT can tell you how dumb you are you know you're in all kinds of trouble.
Quoting for truth and justice. Terrible inputs, terrible posters, terrible people, terrible corplliance, and BFF. And drunks, lots of drunks. Less now though.....
TBH though I could care less about Tec nonsense but all those poor useless moons sitting idly makes me sad. Make more moons viable and mats useful instead of crying over spilt cartel breast milk. |

Mortimer Civeri
Aliastra Gallente Federation
73
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Posted - 2012.05.27 19:08:00 -
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Jessie-A Tassik wrote:Mortimer Civeri wrote:Ammzi wrote:I had fun in incursions, but to be completely frank CCP's modification were a direct nuke from orbit.
The only thing that is left now is a hollow ruin of what used to be. This coming from a "veteran" incursion runner, FC, former BTL operator and "griefing" incursion pilot. Hands down it was a really bad modification by CCP. I mean take a look at the incursion reports, they can only keep one of the incursions in highsec running at anytime. When there used to be 3 up earlier with 100 % blue influence. Snap. So, working as intended? I can see your happy as competition to Goon tech moon income has been removed. Now if only they could get Goon tech moon income working as intended. Unless, of course, it already is. They fought for it, and defend it,. Let em have it, or take some from them. YOUR CHOICE! As to the easy and virtually RISK FREE ISK faucet that was Incursions before the "tweek", I say good riddance. To much reward for to little risk. Flooding ISK into the economy, from Incursion rewards, wasn't doing the eve economy any good.
Before you say that Tech is an ISK faucet, I want you to show me the blueprint that turns tech into ISK. Until CCP changes things, Yea, working as intended, go cry in the corner with the other forum babies, crying about Goons and tech. HTFU or GTFO, Meanwhile I'm going to invent more projectile guns to sell. Hopefully to both sides of whatever conflict is going on because IDGAF about Goons, tech, or Incursions getting nerfed. "I don't know which is worse, ...that everyone has his price, or that the price is always so low." Calvin
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sweetrock
State War Academy Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2012.05.27 19:11:00 -
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Mortimer Civeri wrote:Jessie-A Tassik wrote:Mortimer Civeri wrote:Ammzi wrote:I had fun in incursions, but to be completely frank CCP's modification were a direct nuke from orbit.
The only thing that is left now is a hollow ruin of what used to be. This coming from a "veteran" incursion runner, FC, former BTL operator and "griefing" incursion pilot. Hands down it was a really bad modification by CCP. I mean take a look at the incursion reports, they can only keep one of the incursions in highsec running at anytime. When there used to be 3 up earlier with 100 % blue influence. Snap. So, working as intended? I can see your happy as competition to Goon tech moon income has been removed. Now if only they could get Goon tech moon income working as intended. Unless, of course, it already is. They fought for it, and defend it,. Let em have it, or take some from them. YOUR CHOICE! As to the easy and virtually RISK FREE ISK faucet that was Incursions before the "tweek", I say good riddance. To much reward for to little risk. Flooding ISK into the economy, from Incursion rewards, wasn't doing the eve economy any good. Before you say that Tech is an ISK faucet, I want you to show me the blueprint that turns tech into ISK. Until CCP changes things, Yea, working as intended, go cry in the corner with the other forum babies, crying about Goons and tech. HTFU or GTFO, Meanwhile I'm going to invent more projectile guns to sell. Hopefully to both sides of whatever conflict is going on because IDGAF about Goons, tech, or Incursions getting nerfed.
You jsut said it yourself, you dont give a F about incursions goons or tech, so please reframe from posting in threads which are specificaly started to talk about them. If you dont have a opinion because you dont give a F then dont post. SImple
Maybe go make a thread about "inventing guns" |

Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
207
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Posted - 2012.05.27 19:11:00 -
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Mortimer Civeri wrote:Jessie-A Tassik wrote:Mortimer Civeri wrote:Ammzi wrote:I had fun in incursions, but to be completely frank CCP's modification were a direct nuke from orbit.
The only thing that is left now is a hollow ruin of what used to be. This coming from a "veteran" incursion runner, FC, former BTL operator and "griefing" incursion pilot. Hands down it was a really bad modification by CCP. I mean take a look at the incursion reports, they can only keep one of the incursions in highsec running at anytime. When there used to be 3 up earlier with 100 % blue influence. Snap. So, working as intended? I can see your happy as competition to Goon tech moon income has been removed. Now if only they could get Goon tech moon income working as intended. Unless, of course, it already is. They fought for it, and defend it,. Let em have it, or take some from them. YOUR CHOICE! As to the easy and virtually RISK FREE ISK faucet that was Incursions before the "tweek", I say good riddance. To much reward for to little risk. Flooding ISK into the economy, from Incursion rewards, wasn't doing the eve economy any good. Before you say that Tech is an ISK faucet, I want you to show me the blueprint that turns tech into ISK. Until CCP changes things, Yea, working as intended, go cry in the corner with the other forum babies, crying about Goons and tech. HTFU or GTFO, Meanwhile I'm going to invent more projectile guns to sell. Hopefully to both sides of whatever conflict is going on because IDGAF about Goons, tech, or Incursions getting nerfed.
My my, Goon boy, where is the snarky punk now?
Are you worried your unearned wealth will be taken away?
You claim you fought for it, but did you really? And was that fight REALLY risky enough to justify your reward?
I say that you DID NOT earn that much wealth, and it should be removed TODAY.
About 1/4 your current tech moon income would be fair, I think.
Risk/Reward baby, Risk/Reward.
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Lord Zim
715
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Posted - 2012.05.27 19:20:00 -
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Jessie-A Tassik wrote:Are you worried your unearned wealth will be taken away? How can he be worried about something happening which we've been advocating for years already?
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:You claim you fought hard for it, but did you really? And was that fight REALLY risky enough to justify your reward? Yes, we have, and yes, it was.
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:I say that you DID NOT earn that much wealth, and it should be removed TODAY. You know where our moons are, come and take them if you think CCP isn't working quickly enough for you.
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:About 1/4 your current tech moon income would be fair, I think. I'm pretty sure you'll keep whining even if we went further down than that. |

sweetrock
State War Academy Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2012.05.27 19:22:00 -
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[quote=Lord Zim][You know where our moons are, come and take them if you think CCP isn't working quickly enough for you. [quote]
Whats wrong there zim zimmety zim zim zaroooooooo all that blueball getting boring?? |

Lord Zim
715
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Posted - 2012.05.27 19:24:00 -
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What blueball? |

Zagdul
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
757
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Posted - 2012.05.27 19:31:00 -
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Devious Relation wrote:So CCP have "balanced" incursions due to "risk vs isk" or thats the stand they will take on this, not going to go into details.
I have recently just been made aware of this "O-Tec" agreement between TEST, Raiden, CFC, PL, NCDot which basicaly means, who ever owns the tec moons currently will keep them. Now this simple agreement has completely removed the risk from owning such moons and therefore needs adressing.
The only reason incursions became relativly "risk free" was because of the awsome communitys made. THAT IS ALL
Now this o-tec agreement is in place, i think that should be nuked from orbit
This agreement effects 90% of the tech moons, how are new commers, the smaller corps/alliances ment to even get started? Its things like this that put new people off and eventualy will be the death of the game
I don't think you realize the amount of isk, effort, risk and time that went into getting the Tech we hold.
Really, I don't think you grasp the months of diplomacy, agreements and work leadership went though to properly keep some entities blue, others neut.
I don't think you get the amount of capital ships, fuel used and ammo to shoot all those structures. The trillions in isk spent in reimbursements for the fights we had to capture the income. I don't think you get the whole risk vs. reward thing nor effort vs. reward in this game.
Incursions =/= effort or risk. It's a horrible comparison.
And yeah, now that we've taken it. We will use space politics and build an empire to protect it and keep it.
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Alaekessa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc.
36
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Posted - 2012.05.27 19:32:00 -
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Ziranda Hakuli wrote:I agree the moons...and i mean ALL of them need to be looked at but sadly the ideas that CCP has i feel will not come into affect till winter expansion.......and that's if we a freakin lucky.
We all know that the Tech moons were the answers to the R64 moons. North vs South moons. what CCP did is that who ever it was got an ego trip and hilmar went along with as they both had their heads up each other's ass.
what should have been done is simple. I know they got a program that auto seeds the moon and sets in the data base. makes life easy. Reset the moons where there is a balance of moon goo and and Tech moons in all of 0.0 space, easiest fix they can do now and **** off all the 0.0 alliances at the same time.
when the winter expansion rolls around and the new bling bling of shield statics when there is an impact on them will be an awsome time to implement Ring Mining.....yes be an awsome way to remove the risk of moon mining to a risky mining operation with the Exhumers.
Yes that means you 0.0 carebear cousins would need to find miners to gather this. I will have no problem mining the stuff but i am not paying you to be there or be blue. you are paying me!
I agree that the moons need to be reevaluated. I personally think that they should all slowly deplete and then need to be rescanned to discover what else is available to be mined. Maybe make it so that when the moon is surveyed, it tells you what the moons composition is XX% this, YY% that etc. Might also be a good idea to make the moons composed in large majority by ores that are available in the system with smaller quantities of the more valuable typical moon mining resources. However, I also think that if moons were to be composed of primarily ores, every moon should have a composition (rather than many having nothing worth exploiting) and any ore extraction should be handled more like PI than the moon harvesting we have now (which is still how I feel the rarer resources should be harvested). Quit Crying and Just Suck It Up |

Lord Zim
715
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Posted - 2012.05.27 19:36:00 -
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Alaekessa wrote:I personally think that they should all slowly deplete and then need to be rescanned to discover what else is available to be mined. Sounds like a recipe for even higher moongoo prices. |

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
969
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Posted - 2012.05.27 19:39:00 -
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Jessie-A Tassik wrote: Are you worried your unearned wealth will be taken away?
You claim you fought hard for it, but did you really? And was that fight REALLY risky enough to justify your reward?
I say that you DID NOT earn that much wealth, and it should be removed TODAY.
About 1/4 your current tech moon income would be fair, I think.
Risk/Reward baby, Risk/Reward.
Since it's unearned and not REALLY risky enough to justify the reward, what about you go there and take it?
I mean, you pictured a walk in the park, it should not be hard, shouldn't it? Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Mortimer Civeri
Aliastra Gallente Federation
73
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Posted - 2012.05.27 19:43:00 -
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sweetrock wrote:You jsut said it yourself, you dont give a F about incursions goons or tech, so please reframe from posting in threads which are specificaly started to talk about them. If you dont have a opinion because you dont give a F then dont post. SImple
Maybe go make a thread about "inventing guns" I like to point out the stupid, whiny, crybabies, {like you} and laugh. "I don't know which is worse, ...that everyone has his price, or that the price is always so low." Calvin
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Alaekessa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc.
36
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Posted - 2012.05.27 19:51:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Alaekessa wrote:I personally think that they should all slowly deplete and then need to be rescanned to discover what else is available to be mined. Sounds like a recipe for even higher moongoo prices.
Yes, it does. However, if it worked out the way I'm imagining it, it would distribute that wealth among a larger percentage of the population as well as making OTECH obsolete (unless of course they wanted to go around and scan EVERY moon in EVERY system and make their operation nomadic).
Yes, prices would rise, but what happens when that Tech moon you are sitting on depletes and you find that you're now stuck with Atmospheric Gases/1? Also, imagine how ecstatic Joe Schmoe Newguy becomes when he realizes that he's just struck the motherload in Ingunn?
Higher prices? Yes. Overall beneficial to the playerbase? IMHO, Yes. Quit Crying and Just Suck It Up |

sweetrock
State War Academy Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2012.05.27 19:56:00 -
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Mortimer Civeri wrote:sweetrock wrote:You jsut said it yourself, you dont give a F about incursions goons or tech, so please reframe from posting in threads which are specificaly started to talk about them. If you dont have a opinion because you dont give a F then dont post. SImple
Maybe go make a thread about "inventing guns" I like to point out the stupid, whiny, crybabies, {like you} and laugh. 
whats that word...... oh yeah hypocrite |

Lord Zim
715
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Posted - 2012.05.27 19:57:00 -
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Pretty certain a more palatable solution for everyone is an expansion of alchemy to deal with R32s as well, along with maybe ringmining (if CCP are still actually going to implement that). |

Caecilia Arene
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2012.05.27 20:00:00 -
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I seriously think everyone knows the issues. The people involved, those who like the status quo, those against, CCP and just about everyone else.
How many threads do we need on the issue? Going on 3 a day . |

sweetrock
State War Academy Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2012.05.27 20:01:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Pretty certain a more palatable solution for everyone is an expansion of alchemy to deal with R32s as well, along with maybe ringmining (if CCP are still actually going to implement that).
Havent heard about alchemy R32's, sounds like something from WoW or other stick and board rpgs. However i do agree with ringmining. |

sweetrock
State War Academy Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2012.05.27 20:02:00 -
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Caecilia Arene wrote:I seriously think everyone knows the issues. The people involved, those who like the status quo, those against, CCP and just about everyone else. How many threads do we need on the issue? Going on 3 a day  .
The more threads there are the more likely a speedy solution is implamented.
If you have a twinge do you go to the doctor? no you ignore it.
Cut your arm off however thats another story |

Caecilia Arene
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2012.05.27 20:08:00 -
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sweetrock wrote:Caecilia Arene wrote:I seriously think everyone knows the issues. The people involved, those who like the status quo, those against, CCP and just about everyone else. How many threads do we need on the issue? Going on 3 a day  . The more threads there are the more likely a speedy solution is implemented... Yes and no. It's easier to identify the issue but a lot harder to come up with a viable alternative to something which has been in the game and thus the economy forever.
Push too hard and we may all end up with a half arsed solution which doesn't help anyone .
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sweetrock
State War Academy Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2012.05.27 20:10:00 -
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Caecilia Arene wrote:sweetrock wrote:Caecilia Arene wrote:I seriously think everyone knows the issues. The people involved, those who like the status quo, those against, CCP and just about everyone else. How many threads do we need on the issue? Going on 3 a day  . The more threads there are the more likely a speedy solution is implemented... Yes and no. It's easier to identify the issue but a lot harder to come up with a viable alternative to something which has been in the game and thus the economy forever. Push too hard and we may all end up with a half arsed solution which doesn't help anyone  .
Yes i do agree with you its such a massive part of the game it would require doing correctly. Just look at CCP's meat fisted approach to incursions. Luckily for them that was only a few people they put thier nose out, but do that to the whole ecconomy could be another story |

Caecilia Arene
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2012.05.27 20:20:00 -
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sweetrock wrote:Caecilia Arene wrote:sweetrock wrote:Caecilia Arene wrote:I seriously think everyone knows the issues. The people involved, those who like the status quo, those against, CCP and just about everyone else. How many threads do we need on the issue? Going on 3 a day  . The more threads there are the more likely a speedy solution is implemented... Yes and no. It's easier to identify the issue but a lot harder to come up with a viable alternative to something which has been in the game and thus the economy forever. Push too hard and we may all end up with a half arsed solution which doesn't help anyone  . Yes i do agree with you its such a massive part of the game it would require doing correctly. Just look at CCP's meat fisted approach to incursions. Luckily for them that was only a few people they put thier nose out, but do that to the whole ecconomy could be another story Exactly. I'm not an industrialist but from what I know the moon goo is the basis for T2 production. Stuff that up and there'll be chaos.
I absolutely agree, in principle, that passive income like this has to be removed to something exploration. However, the chances for catastrophe is much higher than in most new enhancements or fixes.
That being said, "Get to it CCP!". 
EDIT: Grammer |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
908
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Posted - 2012.05.27 20:20:00 -
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Caecilia Arene wrote:sweetrock wrote:The more threads there are the more likely a speedy solution is implemented... Yes and no. It's easier to identify the issue but a lot harder to come up with a viable alternative to something which has been in the game and thus the economy forever. Push too hard and we may all end up with a half arsed solution which doesn't help anyone  . Ring-miningageddon.
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
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