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Devious Relation Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 3	Posted - 2012.05.25 21:15:00 - [1] - Quote So CCP have "balanced" incursions due to "risk vs isk" or thats the stand they will take on this, not going to go into details. I have recently just been made aware of this "O-Tec" agreement between TEST, Raiden, CFC, PL, NCDot which basicaly means, who ever owns the tec moons currently will keep them. Now this simple agreement has completely removed the risk from owning such moons and therefore needs adressing. The only reason incursions became relativly "risk free" was because of the awsome communitys made. THAT IS ALL Now this o-tec agreement is in place, i think that should be nuked from orbit
Tinnin Sylph GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 313	Posted - 2012.05.25 21:20:00 - [2] - Quote ABLOO BLOO GOONS WON AT EVE AND I'M MAD ABOUT IT. Heh.
AFK Hauler State War Academy Caldari State 167	Posted - 2012.05.25 21:20:00 - [3] - Quote It's only so they can look at all the Tech in EVE in the Unified Inventory at the same time. Unified Tech fits with the Unified expansion. Bigger laughs.
Psychotic Monk The Skunkworks 268	Posted - 2012.05.25 21:21:00 - [4] - Quote So... it was BTL, TDF, et al that moved one of the highest paying activities in the game to highsec? Dude, where can I get me some of that sort of power? Moving stuff around in the game? Crazy! Or were you misusing the word risk?
Tinnin Sylph GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 313	Posted - 2012.05.25 21:22:00 - [5] - Quote CCP let everyone in Goonswarm keep the old inventory system. Heh.
Devious Relation Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 3	Posted - 2012.05.25 21:29:00 - [6] - Quote blah blah blah, troll troll troll. Seriously if incursinos were changed and people all got behind risk vs isk reasoning. This agreement and tech moons needs sorting
Karl Hobb Imperial Margarine 324	Posted - 2012.05.25 21:30:00 - [7] - Quote Honestly, what compels people to post **** like this? Nothing Found
Vricrolatious Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation 78	Posted - 2012.05.25 21:32:00 - [8] - Quote [quote=Devious Relation]stuff/quote] I'm sorry, OTEC is a player made agreement, which is a feature and a product of the EVE Online sandbox, making OTEC a feature and not a bug that needs fixing. Now go buy some shiny new T2 item and remember, when you buy T2, you're buying products that are made possible by OTEC... have a nice day, citizen. WIDot, Best Dot, Even Sans Dot! -Vric
Devious Relation Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 3	Posted - 2012.05.25 21:32:00 - [9] - Quote The fact that the entire eve comminty is full of hypocrites. Well the vast majority. This whole game is about the rich staying rich and trying to opress and keep the poor new guys poor. Its rediculious, the game should have fair oportunitys for everyone not just the long term stayin's
Devious Relation Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 3	Posted - 2012.05.25 21:34:00 - [10] - Quote Vricrolatious wrote: [quote=Devious Relation]stuff/quote] I'm sorry, OTEC is a player made agreement, which is a feature and a product of the EVE Online sandbox, making OTEC a feature and not a bug that needs fixing. Now go buy some shiny new T2 item and remember, when you buy T2, you're buying products that are made possible by OTEC... have a nice day, citizen. And BTL/TDF wern't player made? Didnt stop the huge eve comminity getting behind the risk vs isk crap to get CCP to change them
Karl Hobb Imperial Margarine 324	Posted - 2012.05.25 21:34:00 - [11] - Quote Devious Relation wrote: The fact that the entire eve comminty is full of hypocrites. Well the vast majority. This whole game is about the rich staying rich and trying to opress and keep the poor new guys poor. Its rediculious, the game should have fair oportunitys for everyone not just the long term stayin's You should really curb the shitposting, it's unbecoming. Nothing Found
Tinnin Sylph GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 315	Posted - 2012.05.25 21:35:00 - [12] - Quote When even WIDOT can tell you how dumb you are you know you're in all kinds of trouble. Heh.
Devious Relation Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 3	Posted - 2012.05.25 21:35:00 - [13] - Quote Karl Hobb wrote: Devious Relation wrote: The fact that the entire eve comminty is full of hypocrites. Well the vast majority. This whole game is about the rich staying rich and trying to opress and keep the poor new guys poor. Its rediculious, the game should have fair oportunitys for everyone not just the long term stayin's You should really curb the shitposting, it's unbecoming. Let me guess, you own a tech moon?
Tinnin Sylph GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 315	Posted - 2012.05.25 21:37:00 - [14] - Quote Devious Relation wrote: Let me guess, you own a tech moon? I'm mining a tech moon right now. Does that make you mad? Heh.
SetrakDark DarkCorp Capital Group DarkCorp Imperium 23	Posted - 2012.05.25 21:38:00 - [15] - Quote Devious Relation wrote: The only reason incursions became relativly "risk free" was because of the awsome communitys made. THAT IS ALL lol no
Karl Hobb Imperial Margarine 324	Posted - 2012.05.25 21:39:00 - [16] - Quote Devious Relation wrote: Let me guess, you own a tech moon? AHAHAHAHAHA No. But if I wanted to own one, I know where to find them and how to get one. Unfortunately, I'm not one for that much :effort:, my ambitions are rather small, and running a large alliance doesn't sound like that much fun. Nothing Found
Devious Relation Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 3	Posted - 2012.05.25 21:40:00 - [17] - Quote SetrakDark wrote: Devious Relation wrote: The only reason incursions became relativly "risk free" was because of the awsome communitys made. THAT IS ALL lol no In the early days of incursions alot of ships were lost, and once they were sussed out not many people would run with unknown fleets..... why... because of the RISK
Pres Crendraven 41	Posted - 2012.05.25 21:43:00 - [18] - Quote How long does Miss Universe get to keep the crown before we get to gawk at some other hottie.. Maybe we should all reset to ibis and tutorials, keep skill points and attitudes, lose assets. Meta34me Corp and Alliance details hidden to protect the innocent.
Ditra Vorthran State War Academy Caldari State 24	Posted - 2012.05.25 21:46:00 - [19] - Quote This is less of a Technium problem and more of a moon goo problem. I have no problem with players coming together and creating something like OTECH. Eve is, after all, a sandbox and OTECH is a sand castle build out of Technium. Actually, I'm surprised someone hasn't done this sooner. That being said, I object to the conditions that allow OTECH to exist: 1) Moon goo is only obtainable via one faucet. This allows a few people to own all the buckets. 2) The pervasiveness of Technium. This is CCPs fault as they built the game to require so much of it. 3) Moon goo income is a top-down income source. Unfortunately, this is really the only income source Alliances currently have. That won't change until CCP changes how Alliances make money. Anyone could do this to any of the moon goo sources. It's not specifically restricted to Technium. It's just that Technium is the most valuable. So in order to do away with OTECH, or the possibility of OTECH-like entities to exist, a few things need to happen: 1) Change how Alliances make money. Bottom up automated member taxes, 'rent' in the form of automated fees (kind of like Station rental bills). 2) Once that is done, make moon goo obtainable from a variety of sources 3) change T2 blueprints so that the require a wider variety of resources to manufacture t2 goods.
SetrakDark DarkCorp Capital Group DarkCorp Imperium 23	Posted - 2012.05.25 21:46:00 - [20] - Quote Devious Relation wrote: In the early days of incursions alot of ships were lost, and once they were sussed out not many people would run with unknown fleets..... why... because of the RISK It's beyond a stretch to equate "learning" with a political arrangement. It is farce. As with 90% of the threads on here: troll or stupid, can't tell for sure. Next.
Ziranda Hakuli Relativity Holding Corp AAA Citizens 65	Posted - 2012.05.25 21:50:00 - [21] - Quote I agree the moons...and i mean ALL of them need to be looked at but sadly the ideas that CCP has i feel will not come into affect till winter expansion.......and that's if we a freakin lucky. We all know that the Tech moons were the answers to the R64 moons. North vs South moons. what CCP did is that who ever it was got an ego trip and hilmar went along with as they both had their heads up each other's ass. what should have been done is simple. I know they got a program that auto seeds the moon and sets in the data base. makes life easy. Reset the moons where there is a balance of moon goo and and Tech moons in all of 0.0 space, easiest fix they can do now and **** off all the 0.0 alliances at the same time. when the winter expansion rolls around and the new bling bling of shield statics when there is an impact on them will be an awsome time to implement Ring Mining.....yes be an awsome way to remove the risk of moon mining to a risky mining operation with the Exhumers. Yes that means you 0.0 carebear cousins would need to find miners to gather this. I will have no problem mining the stuff but i am not paying you to be there or be blue. you are paying me!
Nova Fox Novafox Shipyards 3927	Posted - 2012.05.25 21:50:00 - [22] - Quote Needs removal. Nova Fox Shipyards Inventory
SetrakDark DarkCorp Capital Group DarkCorp Imperium 23	Posted - 2012.05.25 21:53:00 - [23] - Quote Ditra Vorthran wrote: This is less of a Technium problem and more of a moon goo problem... Yup, that pretty much sums it up. Goo in general is in need of a retooling. Too much single-point value isn't great for the game. It puts too much wealth in the hands of too few (in terms of ceos and directors etc). There definitely needs to be more of a shift in value to average muppets in space pulling it out of belts or whatever. You do want to maintain some single-point rewards for good organizational leadership, but right now it is unbalanced. CCP know all this, and it is the direction they are aiming their fixes, ironically suggested by some of the current biggest tech holders who were also the first to point out that tech was broken. However, all of that aside, the state of moon goo has nothing to do with incursions, which were a terribly broken risk/reward arrangement desperately in need of a fix.
masternerdguy Inner Shadow NightSong Directorate 590	Posted - 2012.05.25 21:54:00 - [24] - Quote I like the goons. But if you don't you should stop buying T2 modules and ships. Use best named and boycott the goons and OTEC. But that would require effort. Things are only impossible until they are not.
ModeratedToSilence Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 33	Posted - 2012.05.25 21:55:00 - [25] - Quote Tinnin Sylph wrote: Devious Relation wrote: Let me guess, you own a tech moon? I'm mining a tech moon right now. Does that make you mad? Mining some tech in my osprey. Laughing at dumb scrubs who are going to buy my tech for the equivalent of 500mil an hour.
Arch Stanton's Neighbour Forceful Resource Acquisition Inc 9	Posted - 2012.05.25 21:55:00 - [26] - Quote All you stupid whiners have two ways to solve the tech "problem". 1 - Band together and take the moons 2 - Find another resource and monopolize it So quit whining
Devious Relation Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 3	Posted - 2012.05.25 22:00:00 - [27] - Quote Tinnin Sylph wrote: Devious Relation wrote: Let me guess, you own a tech moon? I'm mining a tech moon right now. Does that make you mad? Not at all proves my point with the risk vs isk. Hey go take a nap, go for a walk sure that moon will still be there when your back, raking in the cash
Mandy Stafford Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 36	Posted - 2012.05.25 22:04:00 - [28] - Quote Ziranda Hakuli wrote: Yes that means you 0.0 carebear cousins would need to find miners to gather this. I will have no problem mining the stuff but i am not paying you to be there or be blue. you are paying me! Ahahahahaha, renters will never be relevant.
Ziranda Hakuli Relativity Holding Corp AAA Citizens 67	Posted - 2012.05.25 22:54:00 - [29] - Quote Mandy Stafford wrote: Ziranda Hakuli wrote: Yes that means you 0.0 carebear cousins would need to find miners to gather this. I will have no problem mining the stuff but i am not paying you to be there or be blue. you are paying me! Ahahahahaha, renters will never be relevant. Your out of order! and to help you understand watch?v=W3abMUH_P1E]
Sarah Schneider PonyWaffe Test Alliance Please Ignore 182	Posted - 2012.05.25 23:10:00 - [30] - Quote Devious Relation wrote: So CCP have "balanced" incursions due to "risk vs isk" or thats the stand they will take on this, not going to go into details. I have recently just been made aware of this "O-Tec" agreement between TEST, Raiden, CFC, PL, NCDot which basicaly means, who ever owns the tec moons currently will keep them. Now this simple agreement has completely removed the risk from owning such moons and therefore needs adressing. The only reason incursions became relativly "risk free" was because of the awsome communitys made. THAT IS ALL Now this o-tec agreement is in place, i think that should be nuked from orbit This agreement effects 90% of the tech moons, how are new commers, the smaller corps/alliances ment to even get started? Its things like this that put new people off and eventualy will be the death of the game Do your research correctly before you post. "Eve isnGÇÖt some welcoming online utopia: itGÇÖs cut-throat, cruel, atavistic despite the futuristic setting. Give people a sandbox, and theyGÇÖll throw the sand in a rivalGÇÖs eyes before kicking them in the shins and destroying their sandcastle." -Keza MacDonald, IGN.

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